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Vel Paar
9th Aug 2009, 22:32
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g-string?
Isn't this the chap who claimed to be a royal titled bloke who tried to fleece someone a couple years ago with fast track recruitment to Jet Airways? Now that Jet is almost belly up, those who got fleeced should go after his skin..........not only they lost money but the future doesn't look too bright.

In the land of the Rising Sun, the veteran pilots here don't have any recollection of the Japanese Red Army having any role in the MH653 hijack. However they did mention something about hostage taking in some AIG building in KUL in the 70s.
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The Japanese Red army thingy was a red herring made up to cover the tracks of the corrupted in the then M'sian govt. The PM then, however, did a nice thing...priests and religious heads from all the religions freely administered the last rites to the victims. It was a grand gesture of goodwill, which, alas, was not extended to other facets of Malaysian life.






Reading the above posts about possible Japanese Red Army involvement, I did some research but drew a blank. To those who were following media reports at the time of the tragedy, I have these questions:

1) Did the Japanese Red Army make any claim of responsibility? Normally terrorist organisations would like to make claims of grandeur if the were involved?

2) Did the Japanese Government make any statement wrt the involvement of their national/s in the tragedy?

3) Was the FAA, NTSB, IATA, ICAO involved in any meaningful way in the investigations?

4) What was the official findings by the Special Branch and UTK?



MASsenger
10th Aug 2009, 07:45
RAT`s not in Firefly now, doubt MH will even look at him. Ex MH guys presently in AK would have had enough of his slime ball tactics while in MH. Nevertheless, I know this snake is a survivor! Those who have the latest on the Pariah Lato, please update. He is such a wacky character that it’s indeed interesting to read. Anyone know his watering hole. I`ll be in KUL next month, might just wonder across to catchup the latest!

nasree
11th Aug 2009, 03:31
Totally agree, the pariah is a survivor as he arselicks the bosses and trashes his colleagues and subordinates; well that's how a pariah behaves anyway. Word is that he pulling out all stops to get KAL to call him back, again " code BROWN "!!!, see the brown stuff stuck to the pariah misai!

He used to brown nose the bigwigs around KL Hilton some years ago, I guess he is still scamming and scheming at the waterholes over there.

Old Parr
11th Aug 2009, 04:37
One of the oft used tricks of the pariah lato' is reverse psychology. He goes around claiming he is being " fixed " by someone to gain sympathy, then go around demonising his victim ( usually with his equally nefarious cohoots ) and go for the kill. Then he will get some stupid young uns to praise his exploits to high heaven; besides claiming that others have been ungrateful for the " help " he has rendered. If you believe him, he saved Mapa from being talibanised!!! very amusing claims but you find even old MAS idiots like I.I, EKC and the like believing and cosying up to him, real sad.

Teg Bahadur
12th Aug 2009, 06:47
Well Vel,

Like someone posted, the Japanese Red Army link to the MH 653 tragedy was probably a RED HERRING ( pun intended )!!!

I don't remember the Japanese Red Army making any claims post accident, nor was there any other tangible link except some officials claiming that the CVR recording the hijacker with a Japanese accent. The claim of the accent probably stemmed from an inebriated bodyguard of the minister in question, speaking " manglish ".

Also, prior to the tragedy the Japanese Army was involved with some other hijacking in the middle of 1977 besides the earlier attack on the AIA building in KL. Add in the presence of the Cuban envoy to Japan, the powers that be conveniently and happily threw in this RED HERRING!

hassanasli
13th Aug 2009, 03:30
The claim of the accent probably stemmed from an inebriated bodyguard of the minister in question, speaking " manglish



A friend of mine sent me this piece of info from somewhere. It sounds similar to a case of drunken air rage. But why the need to force the pilots to fly to SIN, unless the hijacker already had a plan in mind.

Want another side to the story? Dunno if true or not. Got it from an retired government official who was often flying in and out of KL on government business. The plane went down not because of a traditional hijacking but a case of air rage. The hijacker was actually the bodyguard of the Minister of Agriculture. He got into a very serious argument with the captain of the flight who refused to take off unless the bodyguard handed in his pistol he carried to the captain as it was against the rules for the bodyguard to carry the pistol while on board the plane. The bodyguard refused and a serious argument ensured ending nearly into a fight. Eventually the bodyguard was forced to give up his gun to the safe keeping of the captain by ground officials and the plane took off. During the flight the bodyguard got up from the seat and made his way to the cockpit to recover his gun and honor. What exactly happened next is not really known. But the blame was put on the Japanese Red Army to cover for the real reason which would be very embarrassing for the government.

Just what an old gentleman told me many years ago.

Wannabe Flyer
13th Aug 2009, 09:04
This rumor has been making the rounds of many a conspiracy theorist. Nothing outlandish about it and could very well have been the case, however if the flight crew took the weapon away from him I would assume they would have locked it away somewhere on the flight deck or elsewhere and not kept it lying about. If that was the case how did the body guard find the weapon and manage to discharge it in the cockpit? Ooohhhh gives rise to many a conspiracy theory.

I am assuming someday the CVR will surface or at least the transcript and that will tell the truth and for that we all must wait and hope. :hmm:

Kentot Gemuruh
17th Aug 2009, 22:22
The info I have is slightly but significantly different. Capt. Ganjoor initially refused to let the minister's bodyguard carry his gun onboard but relented later after much argument at the intervention of the PEN station manager who quoted a directive from MAS management allowing VIPs to have the weapons onboard.

The bodyguard was furious and became even more so after imbibing lots of alcohol........proceeded to the cockpit after threatening the cabin crew and the rest is history. However I have some doubts as to whether it was plain air rage or he and the minister had earlier planned something nefarious, especially the unwavering insistence to have his gun aboard. Coupled with the Captain's transmission that they were proceeding to S'pore after the hijack action; so this didn't seem a case of plain air rage.

Wannabe Flyer
18th Aug 2009, 06:38
Well that does answer the question to how the access to the gun was granted. Now new conspiracy going to Singapore!

satumare
23rd Aug 2009, 06:26
Pariah Latok G string was spotted at MAS Simulator Complex.

He is accepted into Al Wafeer Air and MAS boys are conducting Al Wafeer's training. Looks like he is going to lick camel's balls in the desert.

Cheers

Teg Bahadur
30th Aug 2009, 10:47
Al Wafeer? Are they doing the haj & umrah charter?

Licking camel balls indeed; maybe like someone wrote, the lato gstring will be hisaping zakar unta.

Gotta ask the sim boys their take on the pariah.

mascamel
30th Aug 2009, 11:17
Yes! Si unta gonna cot his jubur. What ever happened to his sidekick sunnyboy? MIA or something went up his six?

Telur Belacan
1st Sep 2009, 17:13
It seems pariah lato' very unrepentant, blaming all others for his contract not renewed in KAL. People at MAS sim related how peeved he was, complaining of unfairness. Apparently he claimed that eventhough T KaPut failed sim base check but still his contract still renewed; some 777 chap who ****** up a nose tyre burst problem was made instructor and contract renewed. So unfairlah; here he is a lato' with great experience running Jet Airways but KAL doesn't appreciate quality and experience. Hey, kimchiland boys.....can you guys verify his allegations? Maybe it may just be sour grapes......................:{:{

Kal Niranjan
2nd Sep 2009, 04:37
Typical pariah talk; always blaming others and claiming unfair treatment. Always rubbishing others, bullying juniors etc. Someone wrote that he made trouble for some colleagues up in kimchiland for not adressing him as latuk, ptuiiiiiiiii shit latuk I say. Latuks, the scourge of Malaysian society indeed! What's wrong with the kimchiland boys putting with this piece of shitty work?:ugh::ugh::ugh:

SKYjak
2nd Sep 2009, 09:15
That`s typical Pariah Lato talk. Man, he sure walks the talk,he,he,he!

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2nd Sep 2009, 22:45
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OK guys, got it!

Now let's get back to the original subject of the MH 653 hijack...........any chance MAPA can write to Discovery or National Geographic to research into the incident and maybe produce a documentary like the Ethiopian Airways accident? I believe they will jump at the chance if our veterans in MAS and DCA can provide them with the necessary materials for their project.
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Is there something like the statute of limitations whereby interested parties can petition the authorities to declassify any sensitive info on this hijack? It has been more than 30 years and I am sure it's time for a full disclosure.

Old Parr
4th Sep 2009, 20:20
I am no legal eagle but I doubt the concept of statute of limitations apply to this tragedy. However I seriously doubt the present malaysian authorities will ever consider opening up a vat of worms; not forgetting heaps of skeletons in their closets.

Telur Belacan
7th Sep 2009, 00:08
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RAT`s not in Firefly now, doubt MH will even look at him. Ex MH guys presently in AK would have had enough of his slime ball tactics while in MH. Nevertheless, I know this snake is a survivor! Those who have the latest on the Pariah Lato, please update. He is such a wacky character that it’s indeed interesting to read. Anyone know his watering hole. I`ll be in KUL next month, might just wonder across to catchup the latest!
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I was told pariah lato' g-string has got some good kakis in AK; like another low life known as " empty dick ". Same behaviour, same modus operandi but without lato' title. Both were masters at taking advantage fleecing their f/os during night stops..............:=:= You will soon pay, as what goes around will come around..........

ipohmali
7th Sep 2009, 02:33
my dear telur, are you alluding to a certain chinaman lowlife known as " koteh kosong " who was ex mas and ex eva? ha ha another piece of work, small wonder he's pariah latuk's good buddy. life must be interesting in ak with such trash around!

mohdkarta
8th Sep 2009, 05:41
Reading through the thread, I understand the angst against the dirt bag datuk but what I don't get is how MAS pilots elected him as association president and let him get away with all those underhand actions. You all should have treated him for what he is, a PARIAH. My countrymen in SEL tells of ex MAS fellas defering and " yes datuk this, yes datuk that when they dealt with such a scumbag. I thought our Indonesian big guns are bad, looks like Malaysia is no better!

debonaire1900
8th Sep 2009, 08:58
To the Wannabe pilot- Massenger

I will be in bangsar yhis month- please join me so i can sort your head out

datogu al MONA
9th Sep 2009, 22:39
Ah...........Massenger, the gauntlet has been thrown.

Telur Belacan
10th Sep 2009, 23:36
The bangsat in bangsar...........what a show. ya he's thrown down the gauntlet, make sure he's not wearing stillettos this time!

Vel Paar
13th Sep 2009, 23:36
With all the angst dished out to this so called g string, I have some confirmation from a senior contemporary of his. No doubt about it, a real slime ball according to this old geezer. Sad thing was no one stood up to him during his heydays in MAS and MAPA, so the pariah thought he was untouchable. I guess many lives were made utterly miserablle on account of the despicable action of such a scumbag. If we young uns in MAS do not learn from history, we might end up with his offspring repeating history!

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18th Sep 2009, 02:16
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The info I have is slightly but significantly different. Capt. Ganjoor initially refused to let the minister's bodyguard carry his gun onboard but relented later after much argument at the intervention of the PEN station manager who quoted a directive from MAS management allowing VIPs to have the weapons onboard.

The bodyguard was furious and became even more so after imbibing lots of alcohol........proceeded to the cockpit after threatening the cabin crew and the rest is history. However I have some doubts as to whether it was plain air rage or he and the minister had earlier planned something nefarious, especially the unwavering insistence to have his gun aboard. Coupled with the Captain's transmission that they were proceeding to S'pore after the hijack action; so this didn't seem a case of plain air rage.


To shoot both pilots, the " hijacker " was probably suicidal with " nothing " to lose in his psychotic mind.

If it was an air rage, he was probably very drunk which impaired his thinking whereby " honour and ego " to be saved without thinking. Like wannabeflyer said, we just hope the contents of the CVR will somehow come to light someday.

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30th Sep 2009, 07:43
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wannabes
To the Wannabe pilot- Massenger

I will be in bangsar yhis month- please join me so i can sort your head out
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Dei bai, threatening people again? How about meeting in Ampang on Oct 11 to sort ou your mona head?

MASsenger
30th Sep 2009, 09:28
To the Wannabe pilot- Massenger

I will be in bangsar yhis month- please join me so i can sort your head out


Oooooh the snake supporter is upset. Wanabe pilot…………he,he,he! Good one chicko!

debonaire1900
30th Sep 2009, 19:10
Well i was waiting for you MASSENGER

Ha ha the wannabe pilot who has a company dealing with all kinds of crap- which has lost a lot of contracts as everyones knows you are a looser.

but now it goes to show

not only are you a looser but a coward as well. I put up a challenge to meet and you still hide.

MASsenger
1st Oct 2009, 09:37
He,he,he………… Pariah lato got his nose wacked at Dickson’s bar Hyatt Hong Kong, now kechi bai is asking for some! The apple sure does not fall far from the tree!

Since you think you are a shit hot driver, here`s a question for you.
For a given QNH and OAT, what effect is there on MTOW out off a unbalanced field runway. If you don`t get it, ask one of your TRIs chicko. You might just learn something, apart from bar brawls!

Neptunus Rex
1st Oct 2009, 11:47
Could that possibly be Dickens' Bar in the Excelsior Hotel?

:confused:

MASsenger
2nd Oct 2009, 00:51
You are right Rex,it was the Dickens at the Excelsior. That was at the lobby basement right?

Neptunus Rex
2nd Oct 2009, 05:36
That's the one, MASsenger.
Long ago, over a pleasant lunch there, I bought my Mazda RX7, with the superb rotary engine. It could pass anything on the road except a filling station!

:cool:

MASsenger
2nd Oct 2009, 08:34
Yeah mate, lots a good times at the Dickens back then. It was a meeting point for the northbound and southbound MH crew and occasionally had the B737 drivers night stopping. Have not done that route for ages as I`m at the Sand Dunes now.

debonaire1900
2nd Oct 2009, 13:46
Massenger,

Asking aviation questions DOES not prove you are any more of a man

in fact- its quite pathetic. I almost feel embarrassed for you that you feel so insecure and inadequate that you have to challenge me.We know you are a wannabe pilot.

Oh you poor OLD man- stuck in the desert cause you could not find work here . You became obsolete long time ago- AND SO ARE YOUR VIEWS.

So stop pulling out your dick and measuring it with others and go back to your useless job.

rain5
3rd Oct 2009, 00:27
Ha .

Massenger- go gracefully to the place where all you back seat pilots go to: ground school oblivion and live a peaceful life there.

Enough war time stories about " dickens bar" and your memories. No one cares about your past, and the sad thing is ....no one even regards you as an Aviator - of any sort.

Your post are drivel and actually is representative of the type of monkeys that use to,..and still fly with the 2nd rate carrier.

Teg Bahadur
4th Oct 2009, 00:20
Pariah lato threatens Massenger who he thinks is a non bumi.........he is shitty scare the melayus will cincang his pundeh if he ever threaten them....he only dare to make innuendoes about bodoh race. MMBenar had offered to readjust pariah head on his b'day and he threatens MAS'ger.......cowardice?

debonaire1900
4th Oct 2009, 05:24
Now now TQB

No need to bring race into it- Where is your spirit of" 1 MALAYSIA."

You sound like the desperate loosers who cant win on merit, common sense and real factual argument- so you turn to race??/
Please remember who made the airline great- !!! then bend over and shove your superior attitude where the sun dont shine.

Oh dam- i forgot...you wont know where that is- i will translate into malay if you be mature and sensible in your next post ok>???

tsk tsk tsktsk

"in this day and age , with professionals who fly,..we still have people stirring up racial tensions."
tsk tsk TQB. Hiding behind your nations sarong and doing what you do best- shit stirring.

rain5
4th Oct 2009, 06:47
Hey TEG.B

Debby knows who Massenger is la you idiot!!.

Dont you get it by now- i have been trying to let you all know . And as for the Ampang rendezvous- good luck guys.!!
Play with fire and surely you will one day get burnt!.

1 MALAYSIA.- for the morons who actually believe it.

Teg Bahadur
4th Oct 2009, 09:41
You calling him debby, oh how sweet! Ha ha, people do read your previous posts you know. Wow, MAs'ger these sweeties ARE REALLY going to wear stillettos as Telur B had pointed out!

Capt Vertigo
4th Oct 2009, 11:28
Is this thread on the MAS B737-200 hijack or leading else where..??? :rolleyes:

MMBenar
4th Oct 2009, 23:13
Ha ha when your gyros re-erect, then you will see where it's going. This thread is kept alive as soon or later more info on the hijack will resurface. If your are so critical, see the fragrant harbour thread on the demise of HK airlines...........

MASsenger
5th Oct 2009, 03:39
Oh well, I guess there will always be twits with peanuts in their heads, think no end of themselves and it`s enough just to push and pull a stick. Greatest achievements are mucho bar brawls. Pariah lato`s legacy lives on!

debonaire1900
5th Oct 2009, 06:54
Massenger.

Push and pull a stick??- aaahhhemmmm= we have fly by wire now old man.!!

Guess being stuck on ground teaching irrelevant stuff to the only people who will pay you - does that.

MMBenar
9th Oct 2009, 08:06
Dei, debbyass...fbw, you still nudge a stick. Push and pull.....you want to go into semantics? Big time kondehless moron, you really show up what little pea brain you have!

Sampan Angkasa
10th Oct 2009, 04:51
I understand that some of you old timers had the opportunity to listen to the CVR tapes of that ill fated flight.....anybody care to shed any light on that. Someone mentioned some eerie pleading from the first officer; but I also heard rumours that some cabin crew member tried to pull the airplane out of the dive.......like the Helios flight steward who was a CPL holder trying to save the aircraft from crashing after fuel exhaustion following depressurisation.

ganga747
10th Oct 2009, 12:08
The co-pilot got shot first and was heard moaning/groan.
Capt Babu asked permission to eat a sireh and offered him a glass of water.

By then it was a PNR for the murderer. He finished what he started to do. The rest is history

mohdkarta
16th Oct 2009, 01:26
Teg, heard from ex-colleagues in kimchiland that the SEA chapter of this outfit had links to someone of the pariah ilk by the name of DD ex Kenyan chapati. Apparently your pariah datuk was beholden to him for getting him out of a bind in the NRT engine pod prang; he got him to lick the correct Korean and Alteon arses . Seemed that after the engine pod prang your pariah datuk didn't do too well n the sim retraining and was nearly chopped but DD greased the necessary Alteon arses to set things right.

Tipsy Barossa
17th Oct 2009, 08:13
That must be the gujarati reptile who used to hole up in ADL...ha, ha brown noser #1. Conned KAL expats with some charity scheme to grease the koreans to get 744 promotion well ahead of more senior guys. Always hanging around 7th floor in Gimpo OC KAL operations building, licking arses to be made someone big! Alas, a taxying cock up at HND put paid to his grandiose plans. A totally unsavoury character who not surprisingly gets on really chummy with mr singh ( aka gstring? ). I remember someone posted some pretty damning stuff on this bloke some years ago; might still be in pprune archives.

Sky Dancer
18th Oct 2009, 14:05
Is the Gujju Guy you're talking about Ex Jet Airways or Ex SQ ?:ok:

Tipsy Barossa
19th Oct 2009, 05:57
Nah, he was in some bushy outfits in Africa then conned his way into Kuwaiti in the 90's and subsequently padded enough hours and dodgy ratings into some highly creative cv which " impressed " the hilly billies in Korean Air where he was initially accepted onto the A300-600. Brown nosed onto the B744 bypassing more qualified senior guys who played by the rules.:{:ugh:

Vel Paar
24th Oct 2009, 03:02
Ganga,
I have not heard the tapes but read somewhere it was a blodd curdling plea from the f/O to the hijacker not to shoot. Must be a really terrifying 30-40 minutes flight down to JHB; time tends to be really slow in such situations. Sampan asked as to whether any cabin crew tried to saved the ill-fated from it's deadly plunge; a senior colleague did mentioned sometime ago that there were indications that someone try to pull on the control column. Alas, our conversation took a turn away to the sins of the so called pariah lato!

leftseatview
24th Oct 2009, 18:00
i beleive the A/C went into a stall,recovered on its own due correct CG,and did a few more of these stall and recovery oscilations before impacting the ground.....very little could be recovered from the wreckage

inderaputra
5th Nov 2009, 18:32
An old timer told me that the autopilot disengaged during the killing of the pilots and the plane went into a dive as the pilots slumped on the control columns. Someone ( presumably a cabin crew ) tried to pull it out of the dive......a futile effort and the rest was history.

nasree
21st Nov 2009, 11:46
Case of mach tuck during the plunge and any attempt in pulling up futile?

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3rd Jan 2010, 01:52
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MH 653 did not dive at 30000 fpm, as per the FDR it did a series of stall and recoveries(consistent with A/P off and no pilot intervention...there were 3 shots ...so appearently the hijacker shot himself too)
The boeing 737s(200s and later variants too) hidden bug was the rudder hard over problem.
IMHO it is statistically very unlikely that there is yet another bug waiting to bite.
An interesting descent profile comparision would be with the Egypt Air 767 suspected siucide/mass murder.
By the way that suspect was also ex-milatary
What would make the 737 safer would be a flight envelope protection system like on the airbus family.
The Turkish crash on approcah at Amsterdam is the latest 737 stall down accident.
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The above is from another thread namely, the truth about the silkair MI 185 disaster.

I wonder whether leftseatview is privy to more accurate information. From what I know there were only 2 shots and the plane indeed went into a stall and then doved into the swamp at Tanjung Kupang.

If there were indeed 3 shots, were the recordings of the CVR heard during MAS SEP classes doctored? This is troubling!

CAPTAIN WOOBLAH
3rd Jan 2010, 08:07
Ladies and Gentlemen,

This thread has degenerated to the lowest possible level one could imagine and is an insult to Babu his crew and passengers lost over Johore in a most heinous and despicable manner.

It saddens me to see the level of disrespect to the dead shown here and all of you should be utterly disgusted with your good selves.

If any of you actually knew Babu you would understand that he was a total pacifist and did not ever engage in petulant bickering. He would be shocked to see how Malaysian society has degenerated into a squalid mannerless quagmire. Is this what we have become in the second decade of the twenty first century?

With utter abhorrence,

Wooblah.

CAPTAIN WOOBLAH
3rd Jan 2010, 08:17
Debonaire,

Please start a new thread and do all you fighting and revealing there. It would be the right thing to let this thread remain dedicated to MH 653 and accord due respect to the souls lost.

Wooblah.

Old Parr
4th Jan 2010, 20:44
Surely you dont believe he is 39?????- be careful everyone for i think he is who i think he is. Yesterday 07:56

Since the Singas days, the m.o is the same. Lose some argument, tak mau kalah, goes on making threats until someone smacks him good. Massenger's FE friend smacked him good and not very long ago someone almost smashed him if not stopped by his cohoots at an aerobridge in KUL. He has deep pockets but force cabin crew to tapau inflight liquor for him. This thread may have degenerated somewhat, but at least it does open the eyes of young uns not to be taken in by some big lato sounding names.

Vel Paar
13th Jan 2010, 19:46
Quote from post #313 :

MH 653 did not dive at 30000 fpm, as per the FDR it did a series of stall and recoveries(consistent with A/P off and no pilot intervention...there were 3 shots ...so appearently the hijacker shot himself too

If the hijacker shot himself, was this the first of " suicide hijack " not dissimilar to the 911 terror act in NYC?

Also, this would have put paid to the " air rage " theory that was bandied around not too long ago. I am sure someone is privy to more critical information than had been revealed so far.

OKhalsa
14th Jan 2010, 20:05
It's a pity those gems of a post on this thread have been removed. They truly point out a lot about the main players in the piss up over certain sad but true information. I think some persons were baiting the 2 person tag team to expose their true characters and succeeded!

Vel Paar, you have to understand that the " air rage " theory was the best available explanation offered privately by elements of the ruling regime to avoid opening a really big vat of worms.

It is hoped that someday, someone will come forward with more hard evidence; let this thread continue to that day.

inderaputra
17th Jan 2010, 07:44
The wikipedia entry for this tragedy needs to be revised or additions/amendments made.

As for debonaire1900, a google search will certainly turn up many interesting leads:ouch::=.

datogu al MONA
19th Jan 2010, 03:55
Most of the humourous stuff about debby on google has been removed. Hope someone copied and saved those gems!

Teg Bahadur
1st Feb 2010, 21:03
Many posts ago, someone opined that this thread ought to be closed but debonaire1900 was vociferous that it remain open. Now he tried to close it down! And the moderators obliged partly by removing some of the recent posts. And debby had the audacity to call MMB a chicken! What a dimwit with a chicken up his six!

Amitabh Belacan
2nd Feb 2010, 22:07
Just like to know if any MH guys took the bait and ended up with Jet Airways.........how are they doing now with the lay offs in Jet?

Teg Bahadur
5th Mar 2010, 01:35
Not aware that anyone in MH really took up the pariah lato's recruitment offer.
datogu.......please change your name, " MONA " is not a nice term for Sikhs. I believe someone did copy down those gems for exposing debby's six later. BTW, debby how's the speed date going?

ipohmali
6th Mar 2010, 06:13
Teg, don't get your turban all twisted up over the word " mona ". If it is derogatory, it fits the pariah lato well with the caveat that due apologies be extended to the other sikhs who also decided to go turbanless. You cannot count the pariah as a model sikh; moreover with latoship means he has to wear songkok in all official bodek ceremonies which is worse than being " mona ".

MasMamak
6th Mar 2010, 10:36
This thread is really showing up the apathy and lack of righteousness amongst Malaysian pilots. Gandhi once said something which appear like this : " the bad things in this world happens not due to evil people but due to good people doing nothing to stem out the evil doers ". Food for thought guys and also your conscience. Now let's see if the soppy rain and debby arse resurface from the cesspit.

MMBenar
7th Mar 2010, 04:38
Now, now, careful MM, the debby arse and rainy fella are gunning for your hide. They also threatened one Mat Tongkang with their long reach and deep pockets. Remember the pariah offspring is quite " active " in MAS to quote some rainy sop.

Lack of righteousness? It can never happen to me they think. Well kichi pariah bai is "active", so history can repeat itself more often than not. Already the arrogant and kurang ajar traits are already showing..........................

inderaputra
8th Mar 2010, 00:14
Aiya, MAS pilots very takut one especially the cina pek ones. Aiyo, cannot stand up for other people, must protect my rice bowl. Aiyo, bai latuk lah he got deep pockets and many "powderful" friends so he might make life very difficult one. Also what can I do.............but these useless mata sepets will complain to hell's end about this injustice, that inhumanity, blah, blah, blah when you fly with them or go makan with them. Ask them to take up a cause, they really turn yellow. I heard the same thing happen to the cina peks in kimchiland when Leong was bullied and harassed....pathetic! As for the anans with ancestry in the subcontinent, same thing except they got no clue as to what is happening. Just buta buta follow because again the big latuk thing.........hey people, listen the big latuk thing is gone! Latuks are now despised and recognised as conmen, pests and parasites, get it.

rajamuda
9th Mar 2010, 04:44
Quote:
MH 653 did not dive at 30000 fpm, as per the FDR it did a series of stall and recoveries(consistent with A/P off and no pilot intervention...there were 3 shots ...so appearently the hijacker shot himself too

Wait a minute, I thought debonaire1900 wrote something that he had heard 4 shots on the ATC tapes! Any old timers care to elaborate? You guys must have heard the tapes during some previous SEP classes.

taufupok
10th Mar 2010, 22:25
Hi rajamuda, it was a long time ago since we heard the CVR recordings but I think there were only 3 shots. Someone must have read some report somewhere of a " third and final shot " and misinterpreted it as if there was a third and another shot after that.

CAPTAIN WOOBLAH
12th Mar 2010, 02:25
As far as I can remember the CVR was never played or transcribed for general consumption at SEP training or any other educational purposes. This is due to the fact that it is still in a safe classified as a national secret.

The FDR findings and CVR was however played to a select few senior management officials before it was sealed as described above. Therefore anybody on this site that claims to have had access to this information is or was a very senior company representative, government official with appropriate clearances or a bullshit artist. Or one of the few that received accurate secondhand feedback.

I can however tell you with reasonable accuracy that ofter dear old Babu was killed the 737 went into a nose dive power on and went mach shortly thereafter. There was no chance of intervention from cabin crew or passengers as the FO was already dead, the killer was in the cockpit and the subsequent attitude and associated "G" forces would have made any attempt to move around impossible. I personally agree with this recollection of events because the wreckage / debris field supports a high speed near vertical attitude impact at high speed with the whole aircraft remains deposited in a very small radii from the nose section which incidentally took months to resurface from the swampy ground.

Wooblah.

nasree
15th Mar 2010, 02:06
Capt Wooblah; back in around 1983/83 just after Ah Kia's prang at Kampung Subang, a few top and mid level management pilots were ordered to attend a hush hush meeting ( actually nothing to do with safety; more to do with PR with news media and insurance people ) where snippets of the CVR recordings of MH 653 were played. Snippets because they were not continuous playback ( some stuff has been snipped off ). One of the snippets I believe contained the 3 shots mentioned. The attendees would be very reluctant to tell more because people could figure out who they were. As I said the meeting had nothing to do with safety but how to cover arses if foreign press or insurance people started asking difficult questions. Until today, I still can't fathom the rationale of playing the snippets to the attendees except to hold them captive to something sinister!

CAPTAIN WOOBLAH
15th Mar 2010, 07:40
Hi Nasree,

Yes you are correct about the tapes. I feel after all these years the victims families should be told the truth and some form of closure should given to all. But in boleh land I guess we need more safes to hide all the crap our so called leaders have been doing with our money.

And yes the kampong folk were really happy about the free land clearance the A300 made for the new paddy fields. The old bus burnt to the ground just after the last passenger departed the airframe. A sad case for all concerned. Just a small switch can cause so much shit.:ugh:

Wooblah.

bungacengkeh
17th Mar 2010, 07:09
Looks like nasree was one of the attendees of the not so secret meeting! Care to enlighten us on the gruesome details?

Sampan Angkasa
19th Mar 2010, 22:48
An uncle who was a doctor once confided in me that he was Capt. Ganjoor's doctor when he first joined MAS. Apparently Babu had poor eyesight and needed help to pass his eye test to get to 6/6 vision. He was referred to my uncle by the then AME who wanted to help Babu get the job. He said Babu was indeed a true gentleman, very friendly and generally very knowlegeable. He managed to get Babu through the eye test and signed off the medical clearance for the DCA. Maybe it is fated; had he not get the job in MAS, Babu could still be alive and MAS old timers would not have privilege of knowing a sireh chewing captain!

Mat Sapu
26th Mar 2010, 00:04
Captain Wooblah, with due respect you are not quite right about the CVR recordings. Back in the 80s, even the junior fleet managers, assistant fms and instructors were summoned to meetings where the tragic MH 653 CVR recordings were played. Like nasree said, the CVR recordings played might have been snippets meant for limited consumption...however if my memory serves me right there were only 3 shots heard.

taufupok
26th Mar 2010, 04:13
Mat Sweeper, you are absolutely right. However, snippets were played in some very selected SEP classes and these snippets were probably doctored. The recordings played at the hush hush meetings of chief pilots, fleet managers and instructors had more details if I remember right. Other than that I can say no more..........:ooh::ooh:

OKhalsa
26th Mar 2010, 23:51
Aha, finally some people are coming forth with more info. Hey guys, with the advent of the internet more details will surface. It is hope that some old timers in the UTK, DCA, ACA, MAS, ( the old MACC ), SB and other agencies will share with us the secrets which they can get off their chests before they meet their Maker.

Mat Kilau
27th Mar 2010, 22:04
Hey taufu, nasree, and sapu.........careful there. You guys may unwittingly expose yourselves and others. Remember the pariah off spring is " active ":ugh::oh::=http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

Mat Sapu
29th Mar 2010, 21:52
Visitors, nice food, good gossip and great place to keep up with developments in bolehland. When talk came to the MH 653 tragedy amny younger pilots like me do not really know much; wonder why the senior blokes do not want to share whatever info they have before they kick the buck......
Well, the topic turned to latest developments in tanahair......kecohlah! One item stood out, someone ask about the ex SQ turncoat who was always rubbing people the wrong way, a certain reinu balakrishnan; nybody knows whether he was sacked from MH or he left for AK???

Kal Niranjan
30th Mar 2010, 01:57
Dey Sapu, it will help your future if you are more respectful to your elders. Talking about seniors kicking the buck.....is totally biadap. Hope the sand in the sandpit has not cleaned out all your grey matter.
I am sure you are trying to fish for confirmation if rain-who is the rainy sop who was the hard core surrogate of the pariah lato..............you are on the right track son.

nasrazlan
31st Mar 2010, 00:12
reinu balakrishnan is a real nut case causing loads of problem for all levels of employees in MAS and he was summarily sacked. He abuses his authority at every turn, off loading crew who did not succumb to his whims and fancies, report sick at the very last minute, taping conversations with crew and engineers/artisans and making all kinds of nonsensical allegations. He left SIA under a cloud and was recruited by 001 under the auspices of the camel to come to MAS for an accelerated command programme, what a disaster.

To answer your question Mat, he was sacked. No, he is not at AK as far as I know. He is probably earning his keeps as a gomen cybertrooper trolling the internet fora and blogs posting puerile stuff as an agent provocateur. Many guys think that he is in cohoots with the pariah lato and doing cyber intelligence work, thinking all the Malay pilots are too stupid for expose his agenda until someone outed them in earlier posts which were unfortunately deleted.

Eric Paine
6th Apr 2010, 07:37
I am very intrigued by this tragedy. The Wikipedia information seems highly at odds with most of the posts in this thread. There were quite a number of VIPs and CIPs on the flight which added to a lot of speculation. During that period, the Japanese Red Army was very active in the international arena and according to reports, the hijacker had a Japanese accent. Furthermore there was also a hijack of a Vietnamese jetliner around that time. In the wake of the end of the Vietnam War, the political situation in South East Asia was highly fluid and I think that would have factored in the investigations by the experts.

MASsenger
6th Apr 2010, 08:39
Eric no offence to you mate. Since you are a newbe,you have not realized this thread is not about the actual hijacked flight anylonger. It`s taken a turn towards the wacky pariah lato and his equally wacky surrogate. Interesting to note the latest to join the pariah bandwagon – MAS dropout! Bring it on guys,after all this is PPRUNE!:ok:

Here`s another thing – rainy & reinu!!! Similarity or plain coincidence!!! Balls in your court guys,fire away.:D

ganga747
10th Apr 2010, 16:58
Reinu sued the company for wrong dismissal. I think he won the first round of the battle. The evidence he has piled up against MAS is overwhelming. Police reports were lodged against wrong doers.
He is expecting a windfall of 30 million or so he doesn't has to work.
Bumped into him at MAA and listened to his side of the story. He might sound silly but he has some good points. The bhai is a different story. Saw him last month and bumped into him and he as arrogant as ever ...and getting uglier...ugh..spit

Old Parr
17th Apr 2010, 20:16
If I have my way I would certainly not have disclose the identities of rainy and debby. Now they are watching their backs...you guys who exposed them should have been more savvy and save the good stuff for a good kill later or a mighty good laugh. Don't be too eager for the " touche ", PLAY ALONG AND SEE HOW FAR this asses go with their lies ala lato pariah bayee.

rain5
21st Apr 2010, 08:17
AMAZING HOW BORED SOME OF YOU MAS/EX MAS PILOTS ARE.

Get on with life and your work - maybe you will see an improvement in both!

nasree
21st Apr 2010, 23:08
Alamak....touche, rein5 is back. You fellas really rock!

gerago
22nd Apr 2010, 20:30
I managed to read some of the earlier posts before they were deleted and I sensed the teasing manner in which rain5 defended debonaire1900. He somehow claimed that he knew that debonaire was aware of Massenger's identity. I wonder what's their relationship after having a glimpse of the stuff on google about debonaire's activities. He seemed very upset when someone, I think it was Kal Niranjan, posted clip from google. Not surprisingly that clip is now no longer available on google. Can anyone able to get google to remove stuff that may adversely affect their reputation? Just curious...and it may prove useful one bad day.

Amitabh Belacan
23rd Apr 2010, 03:44
I wonder what's their relationship after having a glimpse of the stuff on google about debonaire's activities.


Elementary my dear gerago, one phrase sums it all up :

" don't ask, don't tell ":ok:

babasinkeh
23rd Apr 2010, 05:57
I refrained from further posting on this thread after sunnyboy's arrogant and condescending remarks. I wonder what happened to him/her.

I had come across a link sometime ago on this tragedy but the article was unfortunately in the Malay language; to those who have not come across it, here it is :

Tragedi Pesawat MAS MH 653 Terhempas di Johor (4 Disember 1977) - Bahagian 1 | RedXone Dot Net » Bukan Sekadar Bola (http://redxone.net/tragedi-pesawat-mas-mh-653-terhempas-di-johor-4-disember-1977-bahagian-1/)

tarmaruddeen
23rd Apr 2010, 09:22
" don't ask, don't tell "

Hey, you've gone bonkers or what? What has that got to do with it?

Vel Paar
23rd Apr 2010, 23:26
Further to babasinkeh's post, here is a link to a picture of the mausoleum in memory of the MH 653 hijack victims.

File:IMG 0089.JPG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IMG_0089.JPG)


This is in keeping to Captain Wooblah's suggestion that this thread remain primarily in memory to Captain Ganjor, his crew and passengers.

OKhalsa
24th Apr 2010, 01:54
Baba & Vel, many thanks for those links. Sorry, geriatrics like me are not very web savvy and I never knew that such sites existed!

Also for Baba, just don't get discouraged by the likes of sunnyboy who I think is now permanently banned from this forum.

I am beginning to enjoy this thread, a mixture of humour, drivel, cold facts and tribute to the fallen ones in the tragedy. Every now and then, some forgotten piece resurfaces helping to keep us aware of how such a tragedy can strike at any time. It also reminds us to be aware of buzzards and hyaenas prowling around even as decent humans unite and commiserate in times of tragedy.

Mat Kilau
26th Apr 2010, 07:59
Also for Baba, just don't get discouraged by the likes of sunnyboy who I think is now permanently banned from this forum.


Looks like it. I got an email from someone warning that this individual was on a phishing mission, sending personal mails over pprune to posters on this thread trying to trick people into revealing personal information. He is probably, like someone said, a cyber tropper for the miscreant lato.

Munajeeb
28th Apr 2010, 00:57
Some more stuff on this link for those into the X files thingy :

http://redxone.net/t...977-bahagian-2/ (http://redxone.net/tragedi-pesawat-mas-mh-653-terhempas-di-johor-4-disember-1977-bahagian-2/)

Kentot Gemuruh
28th Apr 2010, 04:36
It would be fitting if this X files thingy manifest in pariah lato's dream.......fitting juice for his deeds to the skipper of the doomed flight.
Like ganga said, arrogant and sickening as ever. Maybe , he could end up as show at the market square at Jeddah.

Mat Kilau
28th Apr 2010, 09:36
Did anybody save the google ad that so riled rain5 that he saw it fit to rail against the poster for being unfair, lacking decorum etc? If you had seen that and putting 2 and 2 together, t'ruddeen's question would surely be answered.

rajamuda
2nd May 2010, 01:34
MK, do mean this google stuff? I got this from someone thru email..........was this the one which got rein5 all knotted up?


kaskas88's Profile - Man Looking For Men for Other "Alternative ...

Singapore, kelvin2008kelvin 35/M Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, Kilmer1558 31/M Singapore. debonaire1900 38/M Singapore, mack0132460891 35/M Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia ...
passion.com/view/kaskas88?pid=p79356&override=

MMBenar
2nd May 2010, 07:31
Ahsoneh! That's the piece from google. Now we can see why these lato surrogates are so loyal. Anyway got to thank debby for telling about Apolo Banana Leaf joint...........the grub ain't too bad; it's only our Krishna Curry & Achha Curry houses're better!

Kalistan
4th May 2010, 21:06
Hello MAS pilots, I came across this recently. Was this guy your DFO?



http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v227/298/61/q100000274115096_5751.jpg Mohamadon Tajung Kupang is still fresh in my mind as I was assigned to the crash site the following day. It was a indeed a tragedy. I stayed on with many others in Johor Baru until after the mass funeral. It was a very touching event with people from varied race and religious beliefs coming together to mourn the dead. It was indeed 1Malaysia.

I stayed on in MAS until I retired in 2004 but never forget the Crew of MH653. The "Tugu Peringtan" is still in front of the Old Training School at Subang. Wonder how many knows about it now.

Dr. Mohamadon Abdullah




September 28, 2009 at 10:45pm

Langkasuka
5th May 2010, 01:13
Yep, that's the infamous Dr Con! That's the guy who slapped crew and staff who picketted during the strike in 1978/79. A low grade brown noser, aspiring for the top job but looks like his alcohol binge with Jeff did him no good in the eyes of the directors of the buffet train.

ganga747
5th May 2010, 05:22
It was Capt Dr con who took over from Capt Kamel, His appointment was a compromise. The first non aviator to run a flight operations.
Yes he drank a bit and did not get along with Tak-Judi-een, so was sidelined. He got back at Tak-Judi-een by filing a police report for mis-management of the cargo at outfit at Hans airport in Germany.. Nothing came out of it. Buried underneath the BN thrash.

Munajeeb
5th May 2010, 10:58
Heard someone mentioned that Dr Con should be investigated for allowing pariah lato bai and rat to double dip whilst at Jet during his tenure. Did he get away with that?

bila
6th May 2010, 07:10
Heard someone mentioned that Dr Con should be investigated for allowing pariah lato bai and rat to double dip whilst at Jet during his tenure. Did he get away with that?


Yes they got away, one in East Malaysia and the other in Saudi!! :D
Too bad guys.!

On another note this a thread on the 'Hijacked MAS flight MH 653 on 4th December 1977' but post are going all over the shop..?? :ugh:

In the meantime.. Safe flying!

Old Parr
7th May 2010, 00:35
On the subject of this thread, the cabin crew union does lay a wreath at the " tugu peringatan " mentioned by Dr Con every year on the anniversary of the ill fated flight. Unfortunately the response by MAPA and pilots have been lukewarm...........in fact during the 90s, MAPA representation during the wreath laying ceremonies was zero!

bila, this thread is kept very much alive by the colourful posts by several MAS and ex MAS people who do keep the younger uns well informed of the going ons during the 70s, 80s and 90s. There are lessons to be learnt, so please do not be so anal retentive vis-a vis the postings that digress from the subject matter!

Kal Niranjan
7th May 2010, 22:01
Well said. oldie whiskey! Maybe a course of laxative will help these blokes.

Ganga is right, Dr Con tried to get back at Tajuddin with the court case but well, mamak Toon is always around to help stave off any judicial matter connected to his cronies. But wait, what a joke? Wasn't Dr Con the one who organised a rally in support of Tajuddin at the MAA a decade or more ago?

gerago
22nd May 2010, 11:57
Ahsoneh! That's the piece from google. Now we can see why these lato surrogates are so loyal. Anyway got to thank debby for telling about Apolo Banana Leaf joint...........the grub ain't too bad; it's only our Krishna Curry & Achha Curry houses're better!


Hey, heard from some sources that Raju's at Jalan Gasing, PJ is awesome albeit pricey.

Coming back to the thread proper, I wonder why people just discount the possibility of " air rage " as proposed by one former government official. A drunkard body guard with the ego of a football field could have precipitated a chain of events leading to total disaster.

tarmaruddeen
23rd May 2010, 19:58
Air rage was definitely a possible cause. I have seen drunks do worse on the road and there had been cases where firearms were discharged over petty issues when the protaganists had a little too much " tani ".

Kilda Ste Hilda
24th May 2010, 03:23
The gsingh mentioned here must be the bloke who leers with his sideway glances at all the el Chicas up at KAL..heard his contract was terminated. Creepy fella who always prowl the 2nd crew lounge at hyatt regency icn in the wee hours of the morning.

Kal Niranjan
2nd Jun 2010, 02:08
That's the one, creepy crawley is an apt description. He's now holed up in Jeddah with Alwajheer, a charter operator for hajj flights. If you must know, the g string is knotted up with the ex east african airways conman devon in that outfit.

Mat Sapu
2nd Jun 2010, 22:31
What? The same shit again? g string or gian stink? Wasn't he dobbed by a female crew at Jet Airways in the late 90s and had to make a very humiliating public Indian type apology to that damsel before they allowed him to wriggle off to KAL. Never learnt, huh?

Teg Bahadur
5th Jun 2010, 02:47
tarmarudden.......it's unlikely to be a simple air rage. The transmission by the pilots that they were diverting to SIN suggested that they were made to do so under duress and the hijacker/s had a plan. Somewhere along the way things must have gone really bad that must have triggered the hijacker's desperate actions.

Ali Sadikin
11th Jun 2010, 20:13
Highly unlikely to be air rage. The hijacker must have demanded that the landing at Subang be aborted and proceed to Singapore. Somewhere along the flight to Singapore, things went wrong and the pilots were shot. Unfortunately the old CVRs only have the last 30 minutes of cockpit conversations remaining and most of the other pilot/hijacker interactions prior to the final 30 minutes were lost. I would surmise that Captain Ganjoor must have told the hijacker of the consequences expected once they land in Singapore, leading to the hijacker into thinking that it was a no win situation. Hence the rampage killing the pilots and then suicide.

Raj Merlion
19th Jun 2010, 09:10
The hijackers would probably have not much chance after landing in Singapore. The STAR squad adopts similar policies to the IDF squad that stormed the hijackers at Entebbe where Bibi's brother was the commander.

Mat Kilau
20th Jun 2010, 02:03
Hi Machang.......what's STAR & IDF? Are they Swat teams like our UTK? I have never heard of our UTK being deployed for anti hijack stuff but they seemed quite clumsy using C4 for body disposal!

bakutteh
23rd Jun 2010, 21:06
STAR is the acronym for the Singapore Police Special Tactics And Rescue. However when the MH 653 hijack took place no such unit existed. There was a motley part time bunch called the Police Tactical Team which had tactical training with the IDF. I am not sure they would have mounted an Entebbe type assault had MH 653 landed at Paya Lebar, but I am sure they would have scrambled the Skyhawks to intercept and divert it to Tengah or Seletar.

mokham
4th Jul 2010, 21:42
Hi guys, I thought the anti hijacking stuff is done by the SAF CDO FN, an armed forces commando unit. Back in 1991 when SQ 117 was hijacked by some Pakistanis, the aircraft was stormed and all 4 hijackers killed.

daughter
6th Jul 2010, 23:44
I was fifteen when the Mas 653 went down, a few days before my sixteenth birthday. My father was a passenger. We had been expecting him to be home for my birthday. Instead, in the hours of the night between the 4th and 5th, my father's colleagues and family friends came to our house in the middle of the night to tell us that the plane he was on had been hijacked, bombed and all were dead. In the days after, all we got as far as an explanation was a brief excerpted transcript from the flight data recorder in the cockpit. A few lines with one person making a demand, shooting of the co-pilot - I think, then the pilot. I am very grateful to have a bit more information.

Old Parr
7th Jul 2010, 11:18
Belated condolences for you great loss of a much loved one. Much of the information gleaned from the internet has to been tempered with a healthy dose of sceptism. However much of the stuff in this thread come from contemporaries and colleagues of the crew of that ill fated flight. As a veteran of MAS during that period I would say that I agree that much of the details mentioned here are quite true to the best of my knowledge.

It has been almost 33 years since this tragedy; I sincerely hope that someday, someone will be brave enough to divulge some hidden information to give the affected families, closure.

daughter
8th Jul 2010, 21:58
Thank you for your condolences.

Yes the hijacking happened several decades ago, nevertheless, questions persist. The tale of this hijacking seem particularly sordid, irrational, and petty. (Not that any hijacking is anything more than sordid, irrational, and petty). What I don't quite understand is why the bodyguard shot the pilots. Several media accounts state that after the pilot first called into KL to report a hijacking a tensionless conversation in the cockpit followed. Then, all of a sudden, the bodyguard shot the pilots. Why?

1. It would seem that if officials have a record of a tensionless conversation in the cockpit, then they must know exactly who the hijacker was and what it was that triggered the hijacker to kill the pilots and then himself.

2. If the conversation in the cockpit was not tensionless, but rather tension filled, officials would still have a pretty good idea of who the hijacker was and what triggered him to shoot the pilots, then himself and everyone else.

3. What did the body guard have to gain from shooting the pilots?

4. Even if the Minister of Agriculture at the time was in or about to be in political hot water, would the bodyguard's loyalty to his employer have been so broad that it would include suicide and mass murder?

5. Was suicide and mass murder the only option for a Minister in political hot water? In other words, would the alternative, facing his critics have been worse?

6. Would a bodyguard commit mass murder and suicide just because his honor was injured when his gun was put into safekeeping? The action seems a bit disproportionate to the bruised ego he sustained.

Have I got the storyline about right or am I way off the mark? Am I asking the right questions?

Thank you for your comments.

Vel Paar
9th Jul 2010, 07:39
Found this somewhere; a pax took a picture of the wing upon landing some 9 months before the tragic flight.

9M-MBD



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2489/3726366489_b0bc876b77.jpg http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif

ngapsayot
14th Jul 2010, 01:43
Yes, daughter there are a lot of unanswered questions. There people in the know who cannot reveal what they know............our SB and Police intelligience may be daft in certain matters but they do keep tabs on people who are connected to this case or even those who they think is somehow connected in this incident. You will find a lot of cagey postings here with some cryptic messages..........you know even RPK's email had been hacked and RPK has some very cyber savvy people helping him!

Now back to this tragedy. When Capt Ganjor indicated that he needed to proceed to SIN, I do not think that the Subang ATC had any idea what was happening....................hijack had never occurred in Malaysian airspace then and I don't think the authorities had any clue what was going on. They must have been very confused as the aircraft is passed over from Lumpur Approach to Lumpur Control ( southern sector ). Then, Lumpur Control would have advised SIN ATC that MH 653 was probably under duress or something strange had happened to the flight. All the radio transmissions from MH 653 to ATC and vice versa would not have remained in the CVR ( cockpit voice recorder ) as they would have been recorded over by the remaining last 30 minutes of cockpit sounds. The only records would have been ATC tapes which were never made public.

Somewhere abreast of Batu Pahat, Lumpur Control would have transferred ATC control to Singapore ATC...............this is where it probably got very nasty. SIN ATC would have told MH 653 that under no circumstances would they entertain any demands by the hijacker and I surmised that everything turned south at this juncture, dooming the flight.

Now about the agriculture minister; he was purportedly under the watchful eyes of the BPR which was quite efficient during the tenure of the then PM Hussein Onn who surely must have known that he needed to act or be stabbed by his then deputy, the snake charmer keralite. Things happened quickly affording him hardly any advanced planning; the hijacking seemed like a desperate last minute thing. Desperados do strange and inexplicable things. The rest is left for us to piece together.

ipohmali
21st Aug 2010, 05:48
With the recent MACC fiasco and the pdrm behaving like establishment lapdogs I don't think anybody in the know will come forth with more info. Unless someone with nothing to lose ( death bed confession? ) or another RPK?

Kentot Gemuruh
24th Aug 2010, 00:53
Hi guys, I thought the anti hijacking stuff is done by the SAF CDO FN, an armed forces commando unit. Back in 1991 when SQ 117 was hijacked by some Pakistanis, the aircraft was stormed and all 4 hijackers killed.


Yep, the Singaporeans are quite like the Israelis. Quick and crisp response. I am pretty MH 653 would have been stormed had it make it to Paya Lebar.

Langkasuka
24th Aug 2010, 21:41
Some of you may be interested in the simulation made out in this link :

http://eprints.utm.my/343/1/SallehuddinMuhamad2006_SimulationoftheTanjungKupang.pdf

Akali Dal
26th Aug 2010, 23:40
Certainly look like someone was trying hard to save the plane but had no idea how to do it. Could it been a member of the cabin crew or the hijacker himself? Most lay person think that it is so easy to fly a plane; it's like a car except that you need to push, pull and steer instead of just turning a wheel. I met other professionals who wonder what it is so hard about flying!

Amitabh Belacan
9th Sep 2010, 02:20
Too many hollywood movies showing pax heroics saving the day. Too many flightsim programmes giving wannabes the thrill of flying. Before 911, too many jump seat pax who saw us seemingly doing nothing but talking about girls and golf during climb, cruise and descent!.We made it seem so easy and casual that many wondered what was so difficult about pushing, turning the wheel as well as pushing and pulling the thrust levers!

datogu al MONA
28th Sep 2010, 19:55
Too many of us try to appear too cool and made it look so easy that a lot of non flying folks who happened to be on the jumpseats think that flying is like a walk in the park! I have some guys making snide remarks that flying is so easy, that's why only a mere MCE/SPM is required for entry into MAS cadetship!

Old Parr
29th Sep 2010, 05:53
How about getting RPK to dig up the old stuff that's had been hidden? He seems so deft at getting all the dirt on Tajuddin and cohoots!

MMBenar
12th Nov 2010, 00:36
Langkasuka, the source of data used by the guys creating the simulation make for interesting read. I wonder how reliable was the data even allowing for the fact that the tragedy was some 33 years ago. The timeline coordination of FDR with ATC transcript from both Lumpur control and SIN radar printouts almost totally not done. Purely FDR data may not give the full picture.

Mat Sapu
18th Nov 2010, 06:33
In slightly over a fortnight, it will be the 33rd anniversary of this tragedy. looking forward to see the cabin crew department lay their wreath at the memorial plague at the training school. Wonder if mapa will be represented at all?

babasinkeh
30th Nov 2010, 05:52
33rd anniversary of this tragedy this week. Back on leave in the vicinity of Mt Ophir and I guess I will make the trip to the crash site to check out the " spooky " stories that surfaced after the accident. I am sure the Malay language tabloids had run many stories about spooky going ons around the crash site.

Teg Bahadur
3rd Dec 2010, 18:41
It's the 33rd anniversary today and prayers goes to the victims and their family. May they find justice and final closure soon!

Vel Paar
4th Dec 2010, 06:05
Ya, prayers of rememberance and best wishes to the families as they move on following such a big tragedy. I am sure all fellow aviators will hold the crew in good memory knowing that the tragedy marked a blot in our history, not only due to the tragic event but also what followed after that.

Amitabh Belacan
4th Dec 2010, 09:19
Right, a minute of silence in memory of the crew and pax. The tragedy certainly changed the way we view plane hijacks as it definitely hit home. God bless all.

Akali Dal
4th Dec 2010, 09:25
From Mother India, I would lie to offer our prayers to Captain Ganjoor...SANTHI SE ARAMA. To the other unfortunate victims, REST I PEACE, GOD BLESS YOUR SOULS.

Sireh
5th Dec 2010, 09:39
Danyavaad Akali for your kind words to our fallen colleagues. Much appreciated all the way from the subcontinent. As for ..............:sad::sad::sad:

mohdawang
5th Dec 2010, 22:00
Sympathies with the victims' families and hope that they will have closure soon. Looks like my impression of MAS people has gone done the drain. What a bunch of yellow bellies and inconsiderates!

bungacengkeh
6th Dec 2010, 03:21
Oi, what do we have here? Indons and Indians usurping our rightful role as fellow Malaysians! Well, maybe no one interested anymore.....itu nakhoda keling kan? Apa susah susah mau bilang pasal kes ini lagi? Cerita karut!

nasree
7th Dec 2010, 01:37
Hello bunga, using the perceived insensitive and derogatrory " k " word is biadab! Capt. Ganjoor deserve our respect and goodwill; many of our fellow Malaysians had attested to his fine qualities; so I urge you to refrain from your bigoted and incendiary comments in this thread.

Sampan Angkasa
8th Dec 2010, 03:56
Totally agree with nasree. Bungacengkeh is trying to wind people up. Are you in cohoots with the pariah bai? Cyber trooping on his behalf?:*

Toowoomba Taipan
11th Dec 2010, 03:45
As an occasional reader of the SEA forum, it's indeed disheartening to see the apathy and utter disregard for the memories of the unfortunate crew of this tragic flight. I used to be acquainted with the former MAS Director of Flight Operations Jack Byrd and I do follow MAS affairs with more than passing interest. I wonder what happened to the values of camaraderie and human pilot values when Jack left the scene.

CAPTAIN WOOBLAH
12th Dec 2010, 05:56
Well you see, it is brainless twits like bunga that has caused the deterioration of standards in the moral, cultural and intellectual expansion of a vibrant country such as Malaysia. Their myopic views and ability to squander the countries resources are the things legends are made off. Kudos Bunga and cohorts. Hope your ancestors enjoy life in their caves in the years to come.

Wooblah.

bungacengkeh
12th Dec 2010, 10:19
Call yourself CAPTAIN? Podah, you are CAPTAIN at spreading rumours and lies about Dato Guru and Tony Fernandez!

Didn't your distant ancestors enjoy life in the caves too ? Or are you an alien transplant...sheeesh!:ugh:

Akali Dal
20th Dec 2010, 02:44
I have made my own enquiries into the character you called dato or gstring after coming across this thread; I find that he is indeed a piece of work. It is amazing that he has some apologists and brown nosers amongst your ranks.

CAPTAIN WOOBLAH
20th Dec 2010, 19:32
Guess the truth hurts Bunga. Guess you're the one wound up now.

Cheers,

I do love my cave.

P.S it's spelt Fernandes :ugh:

Amitabh Belacan
23rd Dec 2010, 01:53
Wooby, I guess you had a brain fart writing about bunga's ancestors enjoying life in the caves " in years to come ", so bunga was hitting you on that.

Learnt from some friends that the bai has surrogates trolling the fora; the modus operandi is the same. Get surrogates to sing praises for him, pillory others and threaten those who stood up to him. All bai shit we only know too well!

Kentot Gemuruh
6th Jan 2011, 21:50
Dec 4
33rd anniversary of this tragedy this week. Back on leave in the vicinity of Mt Ophir and I guess I will make the trip to the crash site to check out the " spooky " stories that surfaced after the accident. I am sure the Malay language tabloids had run many stories about spooky going ons around the crash site.


How about invoking the spooks to haunt the evil ones who perpetrated the bad stuff before and after the tragedy?:eek:

Mat Sapu
17th Feb 2011, 17:53
Any updates on fengshui master reinu bolakrishnan? Year of the rabbit mah, must have some good lucky rabbit foot mumbo jumbo to dig up the truth about this incident.

ipohmali
25th Feb 2011, 19:27
Ya, whatever happened to his plans to cream off RM 30 mil from MAS with his frivolous law suits? And what is going on with his pariah bai sponsor?

Mat Kilau
28th Feb 2011, 06:32
Believe me, that ain't gonna happen! Unless he has the right lawyers like a certain vt and certain judges like...................

gerago
9th Mar 2011, 07:33
Easy only what...cyber troop for the gomen, have an interview at with pm at his residence, open up........and b4 u can say jack rabbit, some one higher in the malaysian food chain can order mas to settle!

nasree
10th Mar 2011, 23:23
Not forgetting that in RMC, pariah bai was asked to d**k lick and arse lick to with the then " maha putras ";):ok:

Fair.Pilot
11th Jun 2011, 09:16
Foreplay : Aircraft crash links to Gov greediness for oil $$$

Action:

Laying old Sabah ghosts to rest | Free Malaysia Today (http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/2011/06/11/laying-old-sabah-ghosts-to-rest/)

Vel Paar
11th Jun 2011, 15:22
Was G string an ex RMC putra?

ipohmali
16th Nov 2011, 23:02
Yep, G-stringh was ex RMC. Wonder how close was he to camel who was ex RMC too! Capt Klepto was also ex RMC.

nasree
17th Nov 2011, 01:10
34th anniversary of this tragedy comes in less than 3 weeks! Will the ghosts of the aggrieved victim rise to exact justice on the dirt bag?

Akali Dal
17th Nov 2011, 23:56
Does Malaysia Airline System carry out any memorial or commemorative exercise on every anniversary? That would be a nice gesture besides a good PR exercise.

Namor
18th Nov 2011, 17:09
A Malaysian expat in the sandpit told me that only the cabin crew department carry out some commemorative ceremony near their training shool which have a plaque dedicated to the crew of the tragedy. Anyone care to confirm?

Kalistan
28th Nov 2011, 19:26
Years ago on a visit to their training centre, someone directed me to a commemorative plague quite close to the then transport office. That must be the one you are talking about.

Sireh
3rd Dec 2011, 07:14
Tomorrow is the 34th anniversary of this tragedy. May our thoughts be with Babu and his crew as well as his esteemed passengers; they remain in the hearts and fond memories of all just and decent fellow aviators.

Kal Niranjan
4th Dec 2011, 09:57
R. I. P to the unfortunate victims. May they enjoy the fond memories of their loved ones eternally.

OTOH, may the perpetrators of injustice and the low life meet their just desserts.

datogu al MONA
4th Dec 2011, 22:04
Any updates on fengshui master reinu bolakrishnan? Year of the rabbit mah, must have some good lucky rabbit foot mumbo jumbo to dig up the truth about this incident

He has resurfaced on the SQ runway excursion threads, fengshui compass swinging wildly!

gleneagles
6th Dec 2011, 19:49
Will be visiting Singapore, Batam and Langkawi over the year end holidays. Would like to make a visit to the memorial in Johore state; would kind Malaysian ppruners provide precise directions as I am quite time constrained on this coming trip. How long and far is the trip from downtown Singapore? Any permit required or any cultural/religious taboos to be observed at the memorial site? Many thanks.

Fair.Pilot
7th Dec 2011, 15:58
RIP to the victims. But in Malaysia, air accidents like any drugs cases could be a planted job.


“It seems to me that there are so many unanswered questions, so many doubts that lead me to believe that if you put together this doubt and this question, you begin to wonder why the oil agreement was not signed in Labuan; why some people left the plane against the protocol; why the plane mysteriously crashed; why certain people left the plane just to see a cattle farm; why these said people survive to sign the agreement; why the agreement was rushed to be signed given the tragedy of such magnitude; why didn’t the state government take the opportunity to bring this to the State Legislative Assembly or the Cabinet before it was signed,” he questioned.

Read more:

Air crash more than historical event (http://malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/newscommentaries/45598-air-crash-more-than-historical-event)

MMBenar
7th Dec 2011, 16:42
He has resurfaced on the SQ runway excursion threads, fengshui compass swinging wildly!

What's wrong with this aneh fella? Hasn't he heard of vastu? But sometimes when you have strange bedfellows, the thinking can go awry!

cipanics
26th Dec 2011, 03:42
Hi All,

I came across this forum through a blog that highlighted the events and mishap that befallen MH 653.

After going throug all the post, I felt MAS did lose a good pilot and crews. Nonetheless with all the people on board malaysia did lose a bunch of good nationals and a few shadowy figure. I pray that all of them RIP.

Just to add on the conspiracy and i am asuming there is. Remember the stories from people around the scene after the crash. people mention about RM5 dollars bill that were floating and scattered around. dont you think its a bit wierd and odd. a bill on any of the passanges wont be flying around. For a crash of that magnitude the RM5 bill (Now days could be equal to RM50 notes or more in terms of purchasing power) survived. it can only mean that it was packed in a bag or briefcase that could withstand the impact or broke during impact. How much do you thnk was on board the flight 1 mil 2 mil..... adding this into the picture could justfy the motives of the bodyguard (Is it possible that gunshot was fired in the cabin first before the hijackers confront the pilot).

treacletopping
10th Jul 2012, 17:43
Hi "Daughter"

My father was also killed in this tragedy! I am very new to all of this as I have only just come across this site today 10/07/2012.

It was in fact only 2-3 years ago that I learnt there was actually a memorial site built and because of circumstances in my life I was unable to follow this up until now, so for nearly 35 years I was unaware of this as well as the circumstances in which the plane went down!

I don't know if you can help me but do they have a memorial service there every year or do families of the victims do there own thing or visit at other times? Because of the nature of the crash and having young siblings it became a taboo subject to talk about my dad and what happened! consequently it has affected us all to different degrees and it's only now we are older and maybe wiser:) that we now talk about it, even to this day it still hurts and is upsetting but it has to be faced and dealt with and for some peace in our lives we have to put a closure on it! not to forget dad in any way because that won't happen but for each of to find that peace we need.

We have spoken about the site and possibly a visit although one of us won't make it through a terrible fear of flying.... sadly this awful tradegy has left her with this fear. It seems that when I registered for this site all mention of MH653 is gone and the site starts much later....I do hope you get post and can maybe shed some light on a tragedy that should never have happened x

Just an added note!! Is there a reason why everyone on this part of the site is OFFLINE? If there is another site to use Please would you let me know :)

Sampan Angkasa
12th Jul 2012, 21:39
MAS do have an annual commemoration ceremony at their former training school compound at Subang. There is a plague there honouring the crew of that tragic flight. However the passengers has an actual memorial built somewhere in the state of Johor. I believe the yearly ceremony in Johor is handled by the MAS station office in Johor Bahru. Maybe you can google up the MAS JHB office for their contact number and ask the staff there if there is going to be a major ceremony for the 35th anniversary this year end.

treacletopping
13th Jul 2012, 06:58
Hi Sampan Angkasa

Thankyou so much for that information :) every bit of information is a huge help to the family.
I will try and contact MAS JHB Office wish me luck :)

Mat Kilau
15th Jul 2012, 01:22
As far as I know, MAS JHB sends wreaths of flowers every year without fail to the memorial on December 4th. Normally 2 MAS staff will represent the airline at that simple ceremony. So for this coming 35 th anniversary I suppose it will be the same. If you are able to get in touch with the MAS office in JHB they may be able to check if their HQ will extend an invite to jointly participate in this year's commemoration. Good luck!

treacletopping
15th Jul 2012, 08:04
Hi Mat Kilau :)

Thank you for the info! I will contact MAS
Kind regards

BlackMamba444
17th Jul 2012, 11:56
Sorry to interrupt in treacle's quest but I just like to check if the dato g string is a certain former jet airways pilot seconded from MAS and then fired by Goyal's mob? Is he now in Air Asia X? Just need tp know as riend working at AAX has some trouble with a lowlife there who coul be this chap. Thnks!

Kal Niranjan
18th Jul 2012, 03:01
Yes, he is. I am retired now, away from bolehland. Maybe some insiders in AK can update.

Mat Sabo
18th Jul 2012, 11:16
Just a little side track, heard from sources in the sandpit that lato gstring's KAL golf kaki has bailed out of kimchiland to Aboo Dubby! Time for bollywood escapades again!

mokham
18th Jul 2012, 18:12
Would that be Mr Nose? He used to be the casino kaki of gstring too.

mascamel
20th Jul 2012, 00:52
I was told the kimchiland chap moving to ey is thr former pipe smoking aa. He must have missed what tiny was enjoying for a while...bollywood trysts. Anybody remembered his " singing in the rain " with poziah at KCH? It was hilarious!

tarmaruddeen
20th Jul 2012, 10:14
Poziah? PI, fonz's and syed aziz's nightmare? Oolala! Wow, that must have been some dance routine....where? At aurora or holiday inn?:ok:

ngapsayot
22nd Jul 2012, 10:52
It's amazing that almost 35 years had literally flown by since this tragic incident. It's also very sad that the victims' families have not found closure. I believe the government have done them a unforgiveable injustice by keeping a lot of secrets. Good Lord, it is already almost 35 years...what good is there to keep us all in the dark just to protect the reputation of a psychopathic ruling class of imbeciles?

nasree
22nd Jul 2012, 21:36
Hopefully the current ruling regime can be toppled and we can write a new chapter where transparency rules. I feel for the innocent victims' families. They are still waiting for answers after some thirty over years.

The rubbish about the Japanese Red Army was pretty disturbing as it tied in with what the Palestinian Liberation groups were doing at that time. It was a great disservice to those freedom fighters who certainly did not see innocent people as viable collateral damage.


I was told the kimchiland chap moving to ey is thr former pipe smoking aa. He must have missed what tiny was enjoying for a while...bollywood trysts. Anybody remembered his " singing in the rain " with poziah at KCH? It was hilarious!


Wow, I thought he was riding high at KE...made instructor despite some FOQA incidence some years ago. I guess golfing with the Korean bosses helped!

treacletopping
23rd Jul 2012, 09:23
Hi nasree

You are right we would all like the truth! I don't think we'll ever get it!

treacletopping
23rd Jul 2012, 09:32
Hi ngapsayo

Thank you on behalf of all of us left behind for your sentiments, it's good to know that there are other people out there who still care apart from just the families :)

Munajeeb
23rd Jul 2012, 19:12
Agree with ngapsayot that we really need a regime change in order that this tragedy be brought to closure. It's a tall order as even though the former PM Tun Hussein Onn's nephew was also killed in the crash, but it was deemed as to be in national interest to to reveal the real culprits behind the tragedy.


As for a.a, isn't he the rahim noor (the PIG who belasah DSAI ) lookalike? Also I don't think he is good friend of Tiny...wasn't he, RR and the whole bunch in Phnom Penh who tried to screw Tiny, Mr Nose and batchmates by restricting their 737 hours through bad rostering so that they could jump ahead for upgrade to the 777?

Geragau
24th Jul 2012, 08:59
As for a.a, isn't he the rahim noor (the PIG who belasah DSAI ) lookalike? Also I don't think he is good friend of Tiny...wasn't he, RR and the whole bunch in Phnom Penh who tried to screw Tiny, Mr Nose and batchmates by restricting their 737 hours through bad rostering so that they could jump ahead for upgrade to the 777?

I don't think tiny was affected by aa and cohoot's attempt to leap frog over them for the t-7 command as tiny went down for command earlier and was already on the A330. The ones affected were Mr Nose, bunny, hussein and others who got their command later. Just to clear the air a wee bit.

Jambu Batu
28th Jul 2012, 07:55
Wow, I thought he was riding high at KE...made instructor despite some FOQA incidence some years ago. I guess golfing with the Korean bosses helped!

Golfing and arse-licking certainly helped. To be fair, the Korean boys awarded him a trophy for hitting an eagle in one of their games! G string must have been mighty jealous!

Mat Sapu
31st Jul 2012, 01:36
Welcome to the sandpit, Ariffin! Life is sweet, no fermented stinky stuff here. Golfing in the " panas terik " conditions can be challenging though.

Mat Kilau
4th Dec 2012, 02:26
It has been 35 years since this tragic event. Looking forward to new developments which can enlighten us about the circumstances leading to this tragedy. Many good people perished; we are all waiting for their blessed memories to be revived with dignity and clarity.

To Babu Ganjoor and his gallant crew, rest in eternal peace. Let the truth set us free to close the inconvenient doubts, misgivings and recriminations.

treacletopping
4th Dec 2012, 07:54
35 Years!! Still feels like yesterday.............

Still miss you Dad........ xx

Sampan Angkasa
6th Dec 2012, 20:05
This thread made it to MT2day. Hopefully RPK with his inside sources in Bukit Aman and Special Branch will be able to shed more light

The journey in life is never a straight line (PART 11) (http://malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/no-holds-barred/53150-the-journey-in-life-is-never-a-straight-line-part-11)

As for treacletopping, belated condolences. Best wishes and Godspeed in your endeavours to uncover the truth.

Teg Bahadur
7th Dec 2012, 22:24
Belated wishes and respect to all bereaved families on this 35th anniversary. Hoping that someday soon, some revelations will surface to bring closure foryou.

Hassan Bok
10th Dec 2012, 19:10
A sad 35 years had passed without closure. It is heartening to see there are people who still hold a candle to the memories of the victims of this tragedy.

A generation has passed; hopefully those in the know will soon see it fit to come forward with the truth.

Sireh
14th Apr 2014, 22:23
A filial daughter's lament about MAS and its misadventures :

Phil Taylor Phil Taylor is a Weekend Herald and New Zealand Herald senior staff writer.


Hijacked airman's family still suffering 37 years after crash

4:15 AM Tuesday Apr 15, 2014

The daughter of the pilot killed in what, until Flight 370, was Malaysia's deadliest aviation crash talks to Phil Taylor about living with the disaster.


Devika Ganjoor Erickson says she will never get over not knowing why her father was shot, leading to his plane crashing. Photo / Brett Phibbs
Devika Ganjoor Erickson holds the small framed photograph of a handsome man with a crafted beard. Her father, she says, was known for his beard. It is the only picture she has of him in her Beachlands house. Before the birth of her son, Marc, nine months ago, she didn't even have this one.

The constant reminder of what happened to him, and what happened to her, her brother, Vivek, and mother, Sunita, afterwards was too painful. But with the arrival of a new generation, her mother insisted she have it.


One of the engines from the Malaysia Airlines Flight 653 shown in Malaysia in 1977. Photo / AP

The families of those on board missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 have been waiting for answers for 37 days. The loved ones of those who perished on Malaysia Airlines flight 653 have been waiting 37 years.


Erickson, who emigrated to Auckland 12 years ago, her mother Sunita and brother Vivek, who live in India, are among the latter.

Flight 653 was hijacked in 1977 on its way from the northern Malaysian city of Penang to the country's capital, Kuala Lumpur. The Boeing 737-200 crashed into a mangrove swamp killing all 100 on board. It was the deadliest incident in Malaysian aviation history until Flight 370 vanished on March 8 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board.

Questions remain despite the cockpit voice recordings capturing everything from the breach of the flight deck to the sound of the gunshots that killed the co-pilot and the pilot, Erickson's father Captain G. K. Ganjoor.

"I really feel for them," Erickson said of the families desperate that the search in the southern Indian Ocean will provide answers to the fate of Flight 370. The families of the victims of Flight 653 have had to learn to live without answers. "Thirty-seven years on we still don't really know the truth. It is still known as 'the mystery crash'."

Recovery of the black box enabled investigators to confirm both pilots were shot while flying the plane.

"But the mystery remains as to what exactly happened and why," Erickson said. "The headlines at the time just said 'foreign terrorists'. No one knows who, or why."

Some details of the cockpit recorder were made public. "Either my father or the co-pilot was pleading, 'please don't shoot', and then shots rang out."

The hijacker or hijackers of MH653 have never been identified. The aircraft was hijacked as it approached Kuala Lumpur on the evening of December 4, 1977, according to the Malaysian Civil Aviation Department's report.

Soon after the plane began its descent, Captain Ganjoor radioed the control tower: "We have an emergency on board". Asked to clarify, he said, "We have a hijacker on board."

Amid confusion over whether it was to land there, it proceeded towards neighbouring Singapore. As it descended, the crew was shot and the aircraft "carried out some unusual pitch up and pitch down terminal manoeuvres before finally impacting into swampy ground at some 450 knots". Such was the velocity, no identifiable bodies were found.

The report concluded that the crash was caused by the crew being fatally incapacitated, leaving the aircraft "professionally uncontrolled".

Erickson: "He was murdered while on duty and we just don't know why."

The families with loved ones on board Flight 370 were unlikely to get the answers they want.

"People keep talking about closure but in a case like this, even if by some miracle, God-willing, they find the wreckage or whatever has happened to that flight, there will never be closure because you always have that sense of loss, that grief, that missing person from your life.

"And every year that anniversary, that 8th of March, that 4th of December, will be a constant reminder as long as you live. So, where's the closure? There is no closure."

Her father's death left her mother a widow at 30 with children aged 5 and 18 months and a dramatically changed life. It occurred the day after their wedding anniversary and the day after Ganjoor completed 21 years of flying.

Erickson, who was 5, has memory "flashes": with her dad at a Disney On Ice show, a fatherly cuddle, her mother at home inconsolable while surrounded by people. She's been told that she repeatedly asked where her father was.

He was a voracious reader, a keen cook, who loved squash, tennis and horseriding, an amateur actor and poet and a university boxer.

"We lost out on those rich experiences, as well as missing a father figure.

"It was incredibly hard for my mother."

Ganjoor previously flew for Indian Airlines and the family had moved from Lucknow, in India's northeast, to Kuala Lumpur four years earlier for her father's job and were isolated from family.

Erickson feels the airline should have done more to help her mother. She said that two days after the crash, while in shock and without legal advice or family support, her mother signed a document at the request of the airline that waived her legal rights. "She was shell-shocked. She would have signed anything."

The airline gave about a year's salary as full and final compensation from which a fifth was deducted in death duties. The remainder was divided with Ganjoor's wife and two children from a previous marriage.

The family's privileged lifestyle - they had two maids - changed overnight.

"Mum was a housewife, a very spoilt housewife, and suddenly to go from that to literally wondering how she would feed her kids, was very hard. It was a hand-to-mouth existence."

After pleading with the airline for a job, her mother was given a low-paid clerical role and told she could never be promoted to a higher-paying job because she was not a Malaysian citizen. Her mother did that job until retiring at 55 and returning to India where she lives in a small apartment.

Her mother's requests to the airline for help to pay for costly English language schooling in Malaysia were declined, said Erickson, because her father was an expatriate. Consequently she and her brother were sent to India for schooling.

Her mother lost the free travel benefit that came as a pilot's spouse and though her job made her eligible for flight concessions there was never money for family holidays. A trip to McDonald's was a treat, Erickson said. "I felt we were being punished for something that wasn't our fault."

"The airline just didn't have any heart to deal with it properly. It has not been done right by my Mum. She should not have gone through what she's gone through; for a young widow to be struggling so much."

Erickson last year flew to India on Malaysia Airlines to visit her mother.

"I found it a bit strange to pay full fare on an airline that my father died for while on duty."

A recent request for the airline to help her with flights was declined, she said.

The airline did not respond in time for this article to the Herald's request for comment.

"I feel very strongly about it," Erickson said. "It's not too late to right what was done wrong."

Hijacking mystery

• Flight 653 was hijacked in 1977 on its way from the northern Malaysian city of Penang to the country's capital, Kuala Lumpur.

• The Boeing 737-200 crashed into a mangrove swamp killing all 100 on board. It was the deadliest incident in Malaysian aviation history until Flight 370 vanished.

• Recovery of the black box enabled investigators to confirm both pilots were shot while flying the plane.

• The aircraft was hijacked as it approached Kuala Lumpur on the evening of December 4, 1977.

• As it descended, the crew was shot and the aircraft crashed into swampy ground at 450 knots. Such was the velocity, no identifiable bodies were found.

• The hijacker or hijackers of MH653 have never been identified.

- NZ Herald

datogu al MONA
15th Apr 2014, 19:56
Thanks Sireh...great to know Babu's family is doing fine.

Pariah bhai is paying for sins with robbery episode in downtown KL, heart problems etc. More unsavoury visitors to his rotten soul in the offing. Karma can be a biatch!

gerago
16th Apr 2014, 22:45
Wasn't guchi bhai wanting to help sunita? Funny how friends disappeared when the going got tough. I am sure Babu had many " friends" since he was always the live of the party.

Anyway great that everything turned out well for the family. Blessings always.:D

Wannabe Flyer
18th Apr 2014, 10:43
I can personally vouch for it that they have really done well for themselves and the daughter has turned out to be phenomenal person and an absolutely charming and loveable person. :ok:

I do hope MAS realize their value when they need to talk to the families once this ordeal comes to its natural conclusion.....

ngapsayot
3rd May 2014, 03:56
Picture of Babu's daughter...


http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/201416/d0edb45f45794372b496145d5932d51452c36e0e_140x93.jpg (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=11238210)

Kentot Besar
3rd May 2014, 19:26
A very filial and loving daughter! Babu is certainly proud.