Being Jewish in Dubai

[Mary P.]

G'Day Ladies and Gents,
Any chance getting a flying job in Dubai, say for EK, if you are Jewish?
Are there any Jewish crewmembers flying for them now?
Thank you.
Mary

[Glorified Donkey]

hmmm. jewish and female? wanting to fly for EK.... best of luck to ya! (i honestly mean that)

[Sireh]

Hi Mary,
Apply for the job normally; you do not have to advertise your religion or volunteer any info about your religious affliations. Should your family name sound very Jewish, then it is possible some miscreants will pick on it but I don't see a major problem. However do not advertise your sympathies with the Zionist regime, you may bring upon yourself more than you can chew.

Having said that, if you are not fanatical about your practices like strictly observing your Sabbath and refusing to fly then there is no obstacle for you to fit in as a crew member. Good Luck...Shalom & Wassalam.

[Hazrail]

Shalom, shalom, Mary;

Bagrisn zu Dubai, nit problem mit lebedik ot asin yidd.

As long as you are not playing with the matzoi, you will be fine.

Take care

H

[Mary P.]

Thanks for the funny replies. I'm not sure yet what I'll do. Never been to Dubai but it strikes me more as a place intereted in money than politics and religion. I might send my papers to them anyway and see what comes out of it.

Mary.

[Dessert Aviator]

A Jewish colleague from South Africa joined EK some years back and has'nt been strung up yet.:)

[saly4]

There is a good chance ,,not less than 20 pilots and more than 40 in the cabin,but as 'Sireh' :you don't advertis your religion.:)

[Desert Nomad]

Jewish is fine. Israeli no!

[BelArgUSA]

Hola Mary /
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Being Jewish should not be a problem in DXB, and all the answers and recommendations by our friends here are correct. Of all the Middle East area, the DXB Emirate is business oriented, and should be OK for you.
xxx
But if you fly to/from some countries around there, be careful. As an example, in Saudi Arabia. I have worked a long time for an ACMI with SV, and was based in JED, and I even knew 2 captains who were Jewish, and worked for SV... but they listed theirselves as "Christian" on their documents.
xxx
Funny is, once shopping for gold jewellery in JED in the gold souk there, the shop keeper showed me little Christian crosses and crucifixes for sale, that he kept hidden behind his desk. Smiling, I asked him if he had "Stars of David" as well for sale, he smiled at me, but did not answer. And the diamonds he was selling were probably coming from the Antwerp Jewish diamond market.
xxx
Another time, we needed maintenance on our 747, fully painted in SV colours and names, and for whatever reason, the company contracted BEDEK Aviation in TLV to do the job, so we flew out of JED, with a flight plan to Larnaca, Cyprus, and from there we flew to TLV. Same thing on the way back. Must have been a curiosity for "aircraft spotters" to see a Saudia 747 parked on Tel Aviv airport...
xxx
Like everyone says here, do not say anything. If your name is Yiddish, just tell them your ancestry is Germanic if they ask you. If you visit Israel, be careful not to get your passport stamped by the Israelis, ask them to stamp your entry/exit on a page that is stapled to a page of your passport.
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Shalom
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:)
Happy contrails

[Hazrail]

Havay, havey naguila, havey naguila.

Mary PM me I am in Abu Dhabi but if you need any assistance let me know.

We are the chosen!

[montencee]

Before befriending Hazrail you might want to check her/his posting history with the search facility.

The same person as Hazrail also has something of a history on this forum using the names 'tiramisu too' and 'mascarpone'.

[JABAL]

Opportunaty for all at EK & EY those of Christian,Jewish,Sunnis background BUT no Shias or certain coloured groups!!!!!!!!!
Time has come to send Robert Maguabe & Zanu PF to EK and Hassan Nasarallah to EY to sort out the discramanation going on there :ok:

[Hazrail]

you are flattering me moterencee In wish I could spread my self so thin! (Pun!):rolleyes:

[Hook]

If you've been to Israel and still have an Israeli Immigration Stamp in your passport, get a new passport before you visit the UAE. Otherwise you should be fine.

[blueside^]

Mary there is a Minyan in EK ;), so don't worry. Good luck :ok:

[Eddie_699]

Dear Mary

Shalom and Salam Alikoum

I Don't see any problem in that at all. I'm a Muslim and from Oman and worked with some Jewish back in Oman and now here in UAE. few of my work Mates mentioned on their work paper they are Jewish there was no problem at all.

Welcome to Arabiya... well at least to the UAE or specially Oman where they don't give monkeys even if you are an Alien.

Cheers..

Going to have some Beer now with a Jewish Bloke..

[WiraMelayu]

Beer? Ya Allah, HARAM dude! There may be a fatwa coming....:=

[Constable Clipcock]

Depends on where you are WRT what "sounds Jewish" in the way of family names. I'm a Sephardi and in the US I get tuned more grief about how my name "doesn't sound Jewish at all" than anywhere!

Three tours in Iraq weren't a problem, BTW.

[MASsenger]

Mary P, either you are one very brave gal or plain stupid. Why would anyone with your baggage walk into a furnace. I`m telling you, it`s no cherry tree lane. How long do you think you can conceal your Jewish identity. In no time your personal details will leak out no matter what you do to keep it cool. Gal then, all hell breaks loose! You instantly become a sitting duck for the locals to pick and play with. Here`s a verse from the Holy book of the land.

“And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess…” (Q. 4:24 )

Gives any sicko the right to hold you captive and do as they please. Don`t for one moment think you are not going to run into any of these idiots, there`s hordes hanging around waiting for some just like you. After you’ve been raped and dumped in the desert, don’t expect any legal redress from the rule of law. Not only you are an expat, you are Jewish. You`re the devil they want to stone!

This may come as a shock. The daily newspaper often carry stories of domestic helps from a poor country jumping to death from the balcony. Suicide is often the reason quoted. You believe this????

[nitro rig driver]

Guys and girls

Dubia and the UAE have no problems with any religion as long as you respect THEIR rules and behave within them.
But they do have a problem with the state of Israel as they do not
recognise it as a country hence if you have a entry stamp from there you
WILL not be alowed entry into the UAE wherever you are from or beleive in.

As far as maids jumping from windows-that because their employers
treat them disgustingly and sometimes thats the only way out:mad:
and nothing to with being jewish


Give it a go Mary-if you don't you will never know and will always wunder what if

[Tongkat Ali]

Mary, MASenger is not entirely wrong!. He is alluding to a worst case scenario; ie when conflict escalate between American backed Jewish interests and Muslim radicals. When **** hits the fan, I sincerely advise you have a ready escape plan. Other than that things will be OK; just lie low, keep cool and do not get into altercations that get you in trouble with the authorities ( includes traffic accidents.....you will always be wrong no matter what ) which will expose your identity and provide an excuse for the sickos to jump on you. As Sireh had wished...Shalom & Wassalam.

[Hazrail]

Been in and out of the Gulf for over 30 years, have met many of my brethern and even celebrated a few times Rosh ashana in Dubai and Abu Dhabi.

As long as it's low key, it's cool.

Give it a go!

Shalom

[Hassan Bok]

Assalamualaikum Tongkat...nak chot minah jahudi ke? Mary, keep cool and all will be cool & dandy...shalom.

[Mary P.]

Thanks for all your insightful posts.

Mary.

[MASsenger]

Ohhh Mary P, you`re not gonna leave us high & dry with a sweet bye,bye. After getting us all worked up, yeh goda tell us gal!!! What`s you`re decision. To go, or not to go!

[Mary P.]

Keep your pants on MASenger! Let me apply first then I'll get back to you.

Kisses,

Mary

[Sal-e]

Hevenu shalom alechem!

[Payscale]

Hi Mary,

Dont come! It may sound harsh, but why would you put yourself in a position
where you must make escape plans and not tell who you are. Its not worth it.

Take care.

[Hazrail]

Just bring the ten commandments with you there is a lack of morality prevailing, don't know if you can see it yet...

While you are at it bring your M4A1, you might just needed to blow the head of one of these islamic terrorists.

[downwindabeam]

what about a jew who'se a US citizen while in his/her passport it says they were born in Israel...?

It could be a family of diplomats who are jewish that just happened to be stationed in Israel at the time..... do you think they stand a chance as pilots for EK?

-downwindabeam

[blueside^]

Downwindabeam I would recommend referring that question to the
United Arab Emirates - Ministry of Interior Naturalization & Residency Administration - Dubai http://www.dnrd.gov.ae/dnrd/default.htm. They will certainly be able to answer this question for you.
Nevertheless my guess would be no problem. :ok:

[Obfuscation]

What about Jewish passengers? Several months back an Emirates flight from Osaka to Dubai, (operated 3 crew) was assigned with a local F/O. A premium class passenger was a Jewish female. The local F/O got wind of this and refused to do the flight. Eventully special dispensation was received from the DGCA to operate the flight back with 2 pilots only. The local F/O returned to crew accommodation and paxed back the following day. Do you think any disciplinary action was tken? No, just a great job in hushing it all up. So how many Jewish pax do EK have on their thrice daily JFK Flights. I guess it would not look good to potential customers if word got out.

[Dr Know]

On A JFK?

Man I can't tell you how many Jews but next time I'll count the empty seats, subtract that from the total and advise you on the amount if Indians...sorry British/American/Canadian passport holders we carry to and from JFK:ok:

[Tristar]

I am a Bahraini Muslim and I have a Bahraini Jewish friend, there are a hand full of Bahraini Jewish families leaving in perfect harmony here; non of them has ever (at least in recent history that I can recall) been harassed or disrespected. I hope the same is the case in UAE. The point I am making is that we don’t have any thing against Judaism, in fact Judaism and Christianity is a part of our religion. However Zionism is totally different matter; if I where you I would openly admit that I am Jewish but I will defiantly not show any support for the Zionists or the Zionist state (Israel).
Enjoy the heat, humidity and the heavy traffic. :)

[Thylakoid]

Dr. Know, except for a few Europeans and Australians, EK makes a great deal of its money carrying Indians, Pakistanis, and Asians in general, with or without the so-called first world passports.
Had EK depended on carrying Jews, or other white western folks, they wouldn't make any money.

Now, as per hiring Jewish pilots, this is a non-issue. There are several pilots with Jewish surnames flying for EK. Quoting Tristar above, the Arabs tolerate all other religions (as long as you don't try to talk them out of theirs); but, they have a big bone with the Zionists, the land-takers, the Israelis.

[the Shue]

From all my time living here, one thing I've learnt is to never say "never". Making money is the prime concern around here and if bringing in another pilot means more money, you have a chance.

However, even if you did make it in, I would guess that sooner or later someone, a coworker or even a passenger, would object to it and all would be for not.
(Bye the way, my full admiration for your open-mindedness.)

[MASsenger]

I`m holdin ma pants, he,he,he, good one Mary. You sound like a fun girl, would love to hockup. However for your own good,and this really difficult for me to say, but stay away!

[texanlubab]

where can i find out about rosh hashana services in dubai, may end up being there...

[Ibn Kalb]

Mary

If Dubai doesn't work, come to bahrain. we have a synagogue and some prominent Jewish families (nonoo has the Western Union Franchise and Reuben deal in electronics). We did/do have a Jewish member of the Shura council.

Half the posts here are reasonable the other half are nutters. I would encourage you to come to the Gulf and see what it's like.

[kingoftheslipstream]

Shalom Mary...
... you have been requested by a nice gentleman to bring the 10 Commandments with you, if y'all come.
I was wonderin' if, since there's a whole bunch a rules here already, if ya could just bring, say, 6 or 7 Commandments?
I'd like that!:)
Good luck with your initiative young lady!
k-o-t-s