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The Guvnor
20th Dec 2001, 15:26
From today's Daily Telegraph:

[quote]Rand plunges to 5.5p but Mbeki sees no need to panic
By Tim Butcher in Johannesburg
(Filed: 20/12/2001)


THE rand dropped below 18 to the pound for the first time yesterday, continuing a decline that has seen South Africa's currency lose 40 per cent of its value this year.

After six months when the rand has performed worse against the US dollar than any other currency, confirmation of the retirement of James Cross, the reserve bank deputy governor, wiped three per cent off the value.

The currency began its latest downward spiral back in January, but the past fortnight has seen dramatic worsening as it has broken through previously unthinkable barriers. The collapse represents the most significant economic challenge to the ruling African National Congress since it took power in 1994.

The rand has replaced South Africa's crime epidemic as the topic of the moment. Newspapers have begun to chart the almost daily decline on their front pages and the topic dominates radio phone-in shows.

Newspaper columnists have criticised companies such as Old Mutual and South African Breweries which have relisted on foreign stock exchanges in recent years. They are accused of being unpatriotic for being insulated from the slide in the rand's value.

But there was no sense of panic in the government as President Mbeki said he was not too concerned about the decline and refused to enact short-term measures to shore up the rand.

Economists admitted that they were "flummoxed" as there has been no significant change in the fundamentals of the economy, with inflation and government spending under control.

One factor cited is Argentina's default on debt repayments, which caused speculators to seek other emerging markets. They have gambled huge amounts by speculating that the rand will devalue, causing strong downward pressure.

The Zimbabwean crisis has coloured long-term investors' views of the southern African region, where a functioning and self-sustained economy has been ruined by President Mugabe's clumsy attempt to cling to power.

Aids is also seen as a factor, since it could deprive South Africa's economy of millions of potential wage earners over the next 10 to 20 years.<hr></blockquote>

The General
20th Dec 2001, 18:33
Hope all the moderators enjoyed their time at the pub yesterday :) :) :)
While the site was down we decided to join them in "spirit"
Cheers guys, have a merry Xmas and a Fantastic new year <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

126.9
20th Dec 2001, 21:39
no need to panic is right! Slitting your wrists is more productive! <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

B Sousa
20th Dec 2001, 21:46
Sitting at 13.54/1 US right now............Do I hear 15......
looks Like I wont be getting any SA Friends visiting soon...

Stonebird
21st Dec 2001, 16:53
The best move RSA could make here is to start building gold reserves, and issue a gold-backed Rand. Possibly even implement a Gold Standard.

This will put the currency in a position of great strength. Being the only gold-backed (even fractionally backed will do) currency in the world will provide a welcome safe haven for funds seeking shelter from the dollar, the fiat currencies, the creaking bond market and the increasingly risky stock market.

Notice that Russia is building gold reserves as we speak. Whilst the US deals in paper gold and derivatives, the Russians and the Arabs are taking delivery of the physical metal.

Manuel should take heed of this and take advantage of SA's position as the world's largest gold producer.

Why remain hostage to the US Dollar and the Fed which indiscriminately churns these worthless pieces of paper out?

B Sousa
21st Dec 2001, 19:17
Get Real. If SA had a Gold Reserve, where would you store it?? I know, I know theres a secret CONEX Container buried in Mamalodi.....
I see the Rand got better today. Its now 12.25/1 U.S. I hope that will improve my Golf, it costs me almost every hole, putting sucks lately.

south coast
21st Dec 2001, 19:35
...all stations 126.9, this is.....
well, i guess the news on the rand/dollar can only be good news to the good doctor...!doveton..hows it going anyway...?i will be seeing you mid january and i hope you will have my beers ready for collection....!

The General
22nd Dec 2001, 11:29
The beers are already on ice. With the way the Rand's going, I can probably afford another 6 pack or two.

MERRY XMAS to all PPruners <img src="cool.gif" border="0">

B Sousa
23rd Dec 2001, 04:03
Hey General......It will have to be Knysna Oysters and some good wine next April......
Gotta get me a Condo there, what a place......

Stonebird
23rd Dec 2001, 08:58
Mr. Sousa sez "Get Real. If SA had a Gold Reserve, where would you store it??"..

Storing it is the least of the worries. In fact, most of it is already nicely stored, UNDERGROUND, waiting to be mined by the likes of harmony, Goldfields, Anglogold, WesternAreas, et al.
But above ground gold reserves should be built up, IMO.

What the Finance Ministry needs to see is how advantageous a position the country is in as regards these gold reserves.

Any nation/state can put it's economy/currency on a gold standard. They only have two requirements. Own a stockpile of gold and raise the price very high!

In the past, when currencies were gold, a nation could not lower the amount of gold backing it's currency ( raise the price of gold ) because it lowered the currency unit worldwide and created payment imbalances. Today, no nation/currency is on a gold standard. The first country that starts will own the rest for some time.

South Africa is a country with many needed resources, little debt in relation to assets and a great national pride to lead. If we price gold at many thousands not only in Rand terms but also in terms of our resources, the world would buy from us, cheaply in gold but dearly in all other unbacked currencies. The markets would do the rest!

The General
23rd Dec 2001, 15:38
Could someone please forward this to Trevor Manual. Maybe he will stop milking the few who are paying taxes for the masses who aren't.

The Guvnor
23rd Dec 2001, 16:01
From today's Sunday Times:

The decline and fall of the Rand over the last few months:

http://www.suntimes.co.za/2001/12/23/news/1-p1rand23.jpg

A brief history of the rand

February 1990: Nelson Mandela walks free from 27 years in jail. One dollar is worth R2.50.

April 1994: Mandela is elected President in SA's first democratic election. Rand is R3.50 to the dollar.

February 1996: Rumours that Mandela is ill and announcement Trevor Manuel will replace Chris Liebenberg as finance minister. Rand now R4.20 to the dollar.

August 1998: Emerging market crisis - R6.84.

June 1999: Thabo Mbeki elected President - R6.20.

2000: Political violence in neighbouring Zimbabwe and concerns over direction of government privatisation policy. Rand ends the year at R7.58 to the greenback.

January to September 2001: Rand drops to R8.46 to the dollar.

September 11: Rand closes at R8.60 after hijacked planes hit World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

September 28: Rand breaches R9.

October 30: Fears of delays in privatisation - rand at R9.40.

November 22: Rand hits R10 in response to Zimbabwe's political problems and Argentina's debt crisis.

November 30: SA posts first trade deficit for year - rand at R10.44.

December 12: Rand at R12.02.

December 19: Reserve Bank's senior deputy governor James Cross says he is to step down - R12.60.

December 20: Fresh low of R13.10 after news the Argentine economy minister has quit amid civil unrest.

December 21: Rand rebounds to R12.29. - Reuters

However... <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

[quote]Limp rand stiffens sex trade

Sex workers are doing a roaring trade with foreign tourists thanks to the "impotent" rand.

With the currency having lost more than 45% of its value against the dollar this year, and this week slumping at one point to around R14 to the dollar and R20 to the pound, sex workers, especially at the coast, are taking full advantage.

Many are staying away from "local" customers during the festive season, choosing instead to flirt with tourists, advertising their services in exchange for hard currency.

The going rate for an evening with an "intelligent, beautiful and voluptuous companion" is R500, according to an advertisement in a Cape Town newspaper this week. "Adult entertainment" advertisements, clearly aimed at "foreign clients", have appeared in Johannesburg newspapers. Rates range from R100 an hour.

Some of the agencies pride themselves on not only raking in foreign currency, but also having foreign nationals among their staff.

Amy, manager of After Dark in Durban, said she had escorts from overseas, including Thai citizens, working for the establishment. "We've been getting a lot of foreign customers, and they pay mainly in dollars."

Local "customers" on the prowl are having a difficult time stretching their rands and should not bet on too many "special holiday rates".

Asked whether they had any Christmas specials, an employee at The Lodge, near Johannesburg International Airport, said: "This is not a second-hand shop." - Rafora Rangongo <hr></blockquote> :) <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> :)

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126.9
23rd Dec 2001, 16:55
Trevor Manuel has NEVER paid a cent in tax himself: why the heck should he bother trying to convince the masses to do so? The ONLY way to strengthen the economy now is re-colonization!

B Sousa
23rd Dec 2001, 20:43
Stonebird, dont take everything so seriously.......What I meant was that where could you store something that wouldnt get stolen. If it wouldnt be stolen with a gun, it would disappear by Government Decree. Im well aware of the Natural resources of SA.......
Relax a bit...

Stonebird
24th Dec 2001, 11:22
No umbrage taken, Bert. Afterwards I had a sneaking suspicion that's what you meant! Sorry if I sounded 'rubbed up the wrong way'!

I see that foreign investors are seeing the golden light though - Harmony Gold Mining was R53 a few weeks ago - closed at R99 last Thursday.
We've seen excellent gains on most of our gold stocks. They make more money the lower the rand falls - and gold is on the way back up, slowly but surely.

I have mailed Manuel & even Thabo on occasion - alas, no reply....

As I mentioned before, we need leaders who listen to (or at least acknowledge) citizens - not just treat us as a herd of sheeple to be controlled.

It's time we South Africans became politically aware and (gasp!) politically active. Gone are the days of the military mentality - we've got to beat these politicos at their own game. If we don't stand up and voice our opinions - and it only takes a few letters to the editor, at first - this country will well and truly go to the dogs.

After all, intimidation at the polls can only prevail against cold hard logic up to a point.