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Davidils20l
5th Mar 2002, 21:52
Any body out there know off hand what Air Botswana requirments are for F/O´s.. .. . Cheers
KASAC 7
6th Mar 2002, 22:57
I am speaking under correction here, but as far as I know it is almost impossible to get into Air Bots without being a citizen of Botswana. I may be wrong but it sure looks that way.
here's the requirements:. .You need to be a Botswana citizen, VERY dark skin colour, stupid, not be able to land an ATR in a crosswind of more than 5 knots (or bounce it at least 5 times on Maun's rwy, smoke up the tyres trying to stop on whats left of the rwy, get al the rich europeans and americans stuck on the forward bulkhead after applying full reverse thrust, over torqueing and ITT'ing? the engines).....maybe theyll let you have a go then..
he he Skaz, you forgot about the ability to fly a single ATR into the entire Air Bots fleet, without missing you shot since you are only allowed one. Quite a performance when you think about but hey, AIr Bots is not messing with pennies during the selection process.. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
cockroach-one
8th Mar 2002, 14:08
Amex have dropped you a line on your Prune e-mail address, would like get hold of you, and ask a few questions.
Skaz best reply to a post I've seen in a long time.Brought back memories of me on finals and having to do two orbits due to an ATR doing a 3 point turn at the end of 26 stop way after the smoke had cleared.Who said ATR 42-500 had anti lock kevlar pads?Better yet i even chirped the pilot that i would buy him a beer if he could get it off by the terminal intersection with the 15kt tail wind.Guess he didn't quite make it.
Stage3
25th Mar 2002, 15:12
I see fascism is alive and well in Botswana.....no change there, then. Glad I left when I did...
Captain Cargo...youre not an ex-Air Botswana cadet wannabee, are you?Fascism's got nada to do with anything, you go stand on the apron in Maun and watch the ATR go screaming past the tower still metres in the air, pastry white faces in the windows flashing past, mouthes open in silent screams...ha! then maybe youll keep your dumbass comments to yourself. .. .SOX..was told youre gonna email me, looks like I got off without a tonguelashing!Youre dog is still cruising around, sniffing crotches, begging for food in Maun's world famous Bullet & Ambush..em,sorry, Julian's. .You dropping meatbombs, sorry, skydivers? (got me foot in me mouth today looks like)Frasier got a job in Kiwi, leaving soon, poling a Chieftain or the likes aroung the South? Island. .There's a Kiwi bloke here by us now too.... .Keep well, nurries
Whitebug-speed
28th Mar 2002, 00:29
Skaz,. .. .Just a simple question... is it only VERY black people that bounce aircraft???. .. .I feel sorry for bigots like yourself mate, those . .who still find it difficult to look beyond the colour barrier...
4HolerPoler
28th Mar 2002, 13:33
This thread's going downhill fast - sorry you never got your answer Fastbird.. .. .4Holer. .. .POLICE LINE - DO NOT CROSS - POLICE LINE - DO NOT CROSS
Caribou 2
1st Apr 2002, 06:45
wHITEBUG - your point on needing to cross the colour barrier is very valid. However, it must be said that the management of many airlines in Africa (especially PARASTATAL's) are inevitably all local (native idigenous or whatever PC name you like) and have an extreme aversion at looking across the colour barrier themselves......there is bigotry on the flight decks and I am reliably told that racism is not just a bad habit in people of caucasian origin......
Whitebugspeed, fyi I did not even mention the word BLACK, you did , bigot yourself.Did you perhaps do training at the same airschool these AB pilots did...No? Well I did, and if someone is not let out of the circuit to fly to the GFA, 5 min away, never mind cross country, after almost 100hours ! somethiings wrong, and its got nothing to do with race, but rather, ability, skill, decision making , airmanship etc....:mad:
Davidils20l .... unless you are a Botswana citizen, and BLACK (now I said it) forget it, you wont get in. It seems to be a requirement !You can still try though
:p
Biggotry, xenophobia and racism are not attributes monopolised by Southern African white folk alone. The fact of the matter is: if he feels that one needs to be BLACK (oh gosh, I said it...?) in order to get into Air Bot's, then let him say so. God lord, it's a well known fact that many African Airlines don't accept white faces in their cockpits anymore.
Since when did the word "BLACK" turn a man int a biggot anyway?
CaptainCargo
29th Apr 2002, 13:58
Skaz,
Wannabe Air Botswana cadet? Me? You gotta be joking. I flew in Bots for 10 years on and off, lived there a lot longer than that. Air Botswana was never on the agenda. Dumbass comments? I think your post fits that bill. If someone can't fly doesn't mean it is because of his skin colour, as you implied in your original post.
And in case you are wondering, I am white.
********.
shifatur
29th Apr 2002, 20:34
shaz dude.......didnt u fail your class one medical due to "serious racistic allergy?"
ciao
shif
Dolfke
30th Apr 2002, 01:33
hey guys, this is a lot of fun to read but you still didn`t supply the starter of this thread with the requirements. I for one would also be interested in them, even being white.
There`s racism all over the world and every race is just as guilty of it as another (even when we`re all human). It`s bad when the western companies won`t admit coloured people into their cockpit (although that is getting extremely rare these days), but I think it`s even worse when the "black" companies (no offense meant) start to do that as they should know better, having been in that position themselves.
So could anyone please give an clear answer? Thank you very much.
Sky Goose
30th Apr 2002, 10:28
Skaz dont be put off, you're just telling it like it is.
You have to live in Africa a while to understand.
Its very frustrating when a person gets a job just because of his/her skin colour not his/her ability.
CaptainCargo
30th Apr 2002, 17:31
Live in Africa a while?....lived there most of my life.....
I think what people should perhaps be pointing out is that, to get a job, you may have to be a national of that country....doesn't mean you have to be black. I'm a white South African. I never had any trouble getting a job in South Africa...Botswana, Mozambique, or Zambia either, come to think of it....
Right you bunch of twinkle toe bleeding heart ******* loosers, lets get somethings straight right here and now.....
I have the right to express my opinion and views on any topic on this website, within reason, and if you have a problem with it, its just that...YOUR PROBLEM, not mine, so *******:p
Davidils20l asked a question and I answered.....you DO need to be black, not white, not coloured, not native american or Inuit, but BLACK. Simple as that. This is the reason AIR BOTSWANA has not renewed any of the contracts for the blokes who came up from SA to fly the ATR's. Ths is why white pilots DO NOT get hired by AB.
Looks like you dweebs missed the gist of my first reply,and the second... it was and still is, a tongue-in-cheek, maybe sarcastic and subjective, but still houmorous look at how the AB pilots and cadets fly and land!
If you flew in Bots and Maun, then you should be able to recognize the tone and humour behind that first post, Captain Cargo.I bet everyone in Maun does. A few of the posters on this thread did, i.e. Sox and Amex, and I know at least one of them were there as well. Or are you angry at the world in general 'cause youre flying a cargo plane full of rubber dogsh*t outta Hong Kong (thanks Topgun!) I did not attack you or any other individual in person, nor their race or religion for that matter, and I do in fact have some friends and colleagues that are.....wait for it.....BLACK and coloured, all of them are very safe, proficient and professional pilots......couple of words flushed down the bog
hope I dont get kicked outta the prune for this:rolleyes::eek
Nope, you'd have to do worse than that - if you feel a little agro and want to see endless expletives under your name, trundle across to Jetblast and go for it. Let's keep this thread alive - it's pretty close to the line. 4HolerPoler
CaptainCargo
2nd May 2002, 13:56
HeeHeeHeeHee!
Go for it Skaz!:) ;) Vent your spleen!
Wouldn't thay take you?You sound pi**ed off!
Maybe this thread should be moved to jetblast!
Maybe I'll see you in Bots next month!
PS: I just love rubber doughnuts!
And just to show that I do have a sense of humour:
From The Standard (Kenya):
"What is all the fuss about?" Weseka Sambu asked a hastily convened news conference at Jomo Kenyatta International Airport. "A technical hitch like this could have happened anywhere in the world. You people are not patriots. You just want to cause trouble."
Sambu, a spokesman for Kenya Airways, was speaking after the cancellation of a through flight from Kisumu, via Jomo Kenyatta, to Berlin: "The forty-two passengers had boarded the plane ready for take-off, when the pilot noticed one of the tyres was flat. Kenya Airways did not possess a spare tyre, and unfortunately the airport nitrogen canister was empty. A passenger suggested taking the tyre to a petrol station for inflation, but unluckily the jack had gone missing so we couldn't get the wheel off. Our engineers tried heroically to reinflate the tyre with a bicycle pump, but had no luck, and the pilot even blew into the valve with his mouth, but he passed out.
"When I announced that the flight had to be abandoned, one of the passengers, Mr Mutu, suddenly struck me about the face with a life-jacket whistle and said we were a national disgrace. I told him he was being ridiculous, and that there was to be another flight in a fortnight. And, in the meantime, he would be able to enjoy the scenery around Kisumu, albeit at his own expense."
Well said mate! I'm sick and tired of the worlds clueless, dung-artist constantly shooting a man down for having an opinion.;)
Speedbird056
2nd May 2002, 15:58
And the requirements for Air Botswana are.........anybody??????
I'd be interested to know, but it wouldn't be my first choice of ideal employers thats for sure. Naturally we got a little bit off at a tangent as so many threads on Pprune do, but there's a few issues which I'd like to comment on.
Quite simply there are some people who have a very idealistic notion of what Africa is like as a place to live and work, and to be frank unless you have spent time living and working in this part of the world you won't understand. Those that have will. I think I can best sum Africa up by the following joke:
" (in Africa) Whats the difference between a tourist and a racist????? Two weeks!"
Well when I was working for a certain air charter company in Bots rumour has it that the big cheese was approached by AB asking if any of his pilots would be interested in a six month contract on the ATR. Fortunately for us he apparently declined on our behalf obviously thinking of our careers, you just can get enough of that piston time!
hmmm....I see some of the choicest bits have been edited out of my post, sigh...
but, I do want to say this, CaptainCargo, you and everybody else has just as much a right to your own opinion and thus to dissagree from me, but I do not see why this gives you the right to call me a d******* (this bit's dissappeared from you post as well, HA) shame on you
126.9 , SkyGoose thanks for the support,
and mister moderator sir, sorry for swearing on your forum sir,but...but, he did it first!
and just to get one of on the Captain, I'm phoning AB tomorrow and posting the EXACT requirements right here on PPRUNE shortly!!!!
so there....
:D
4HolerPoler
2nd May 2002, 21:20
It's not my forum Skaz, it's yours. I just have the unenviable job of sieving al die drolle uit die drinkwater.
Thanks for keeping it upright, this one seems to be back on track - it would be great though to finally get the man an answer someday. I look forward to your "from the horse's mouth" information.
4Holer
Dan Hellewell
7th May 2002, 04:56
Sounds like Fiji ????
BMM389EC
7th May 2002, 08:49
If you're not a local the requirements are determined by how badly they need crew, so varies all the time. Again, if you're not a local not much chance unless you have a rating. Apart from a few guys who came from SA in 97-99 if they do take outside crew it's mainly from Malawi, Zambia,Tanzania etc
spagiola
13th May 2002, 21:27
So now that Air Bots are flying their 146 again, how are they crewing it? Did they re-train their crew on it, or did they hire short-term crew for the job?
Right....took long enough, but eventually the topic starter will be answered, straight from the horse's mouth( or is it donkey!)
This from the Human Resources Department of Air Botswana...just dont phone and ask for the Human Resources Department,it's too big a word 'cause all they know is "HR"...
You need.....(drum roll)....
1. a Comm license
2. 1200 hours Total Time
3. IFR Rating
4. ME Rating
5. it helps to be a Botswana citizen (read into that what you want)
this is all the intelligble info I could gather, as many questions were answered with the linguistic marvel:"eeh..." or "Ra?"
and where the poor lady just couldnt understand what the hell this muhlongo on the phone wanted, she referred to the help in the background...........you dont believe me? phone them yourself
tel no for Air Botch is: +267 352 812