RT practice cd

[KenDoddsDadsDogsDied]

I am a low hour ppl H with infrequent flying time. I hate to sound unsure or unprepared when on the radio and want to avoid sounding rusty. I wonder if anyone knows if a cd exists ( to listen in the car) to purchase of general RT chatter? This will help me greatly in getting the word speak correct and what's expected. Any help appreciated. :)

[Whirlygig]

If you can say your Pprune name without faltering, you should be ok! :ok::D

Pooley's used to do a cassette; they might have got "modern" and produced it on CD. I used to play it in the car and found it helpful.

Cheers

Whirls

[KenDoddsDadsDogsDied]

The name comes from my daughter getting me to say it one evening and made me chuckle :) I will check out the Pooleys site. I have tried to listen in to Cottesmore in the office but the reception is very poor. Thanks for the info.

[Stringfellow Dork]

I can empathize - try here (http://shop.pilotwarehouse.co.uk/category40023.html)...

[wheatbix]

One thing I know of that's helped a few people is to buy an airband radio and if your house is in a suitable location just listen to whats happening. Alternatively when you're flying around listen to what others would say, and think in your mind how you'd respond to a similar situation/question.

[KenDoddsDadsDogsDied]

I am much obliged to all replies. I have tried to listen in as I am driving around but reception is usually very poor or one sided. I will purchase cd's as advised and get myself all shiny again. :ok:

[topendtorque]

I am much obliged to all replies. I have tried to listen in as I am driving around but reception is usually very poor or one sided. I will purchase cd's as advised and get myself all shiny again. :ok:


Excellent post, economy will lead to shine.

[Bladecrack]

I wouldn't bother with the pooleys tapes if I were you Ken, last time I listened to them they were pretty rubbish and some of it well out of date and not compliant with CAP413. I recommend the Airspeak RT Double Audio CDs, which have examples of all the up to date calls required for the RT Practical and more. I advise my students to use it before I do the RT practial with them, and its handy to listen to in the car! Stringfellow has provided a handy link for you! :ok:
Regards,
BC.

[KenDoddsDadsDogsDied]

Great minds think alike and after consideration these are the ones I will order. Naturally I have already got my RT license but like most things in life use it or lose it.

I believe your R/T confidence keeps you focused and in the zone so to speak. That said I always wonder if it is good airmanship to advise I am low time just to let ground aware I wont be word perfect.

It's a shame there is not an approved CAA advanced PPL exam / test post-PPL newbies can aspire to. Not for kudos you understand more just to begin the long process of being one with the machine in total mental control.

Then I can enjoy it more :ok:

[Efirmovich]

KDDDD,

Try to hitch a ride with an experienced pilot whenever you can and listen how they do it. When you first start flying you very rarely have time to take in the RT because your trying to keep the F*****g thing in the air !
I made some long trips with a pal of mine as passenger, listened how it was done and suddenly it didn't seem dificult any more !

E.

[AlanM]

KDDD

Why not go and sit in at a busy tower/approach unit. Most units are happy to accept visitors - and you will get to hear from us what annoys us on the RT, and they can explain. They will no doubt dispel any rumours that ATCOs hate pilots!!! :)

A local unit to you would be best (Wattisham LARS or Cambridge airport maybe?)

If you get really stuck come and visit LTCC, West Drayton.

[KenDoddsDadsDogsDied]

AlanM and all thanks for the advice. I have been to west Drayton on a trip with sloanes soon after passing and it was very humbling. A real eye opener as to the behind the scenes work that goes on. A visit should be part of the syllabus I believe.

The knowledge that someone will calmly talk you home in the event of becoming lost by someone who truly understands what panic it can bring whilst your mind is racing and heart thumping was reassurance indeed.

I as yet have not been able to hitch a ride for the experience and this is something I will remedy by placing a note on the bulletin board at my local aerodrome.

Cheers :)

[Tweedles]

You might try http://www.liveATC.net. It allows you to listen to live ATC audio from quite a few places around the world. I realize it won't help much in your car, but it can be good fun and educational.
Tweedles

[KenDoddsDadsDogsDied]

Thanks tweedles, I did find this from a thread search yesterday and listened in (much to the annoyance of my office staff). I found Boston ATC, but was amazed by the speed everyone spoke at. My CD's arrive today so a weekend of study ahead. :8

[Blind]

KDDDD
Just beware, this is how the yanks do RT!!!!
http://home.online.no/~chainly/JFKGround.mp3

A whole thread was posted on it a few months ago.

[Tweedles]

Cool link, Blind.

I heard the same controller say this a few weeks ago: "In the immortal words of Meatloaf, "Stop right there!!"

I almost fell out of my chair, which would have been frowned upon since I was at work:O

[slackie]

The LiveATC.net website used to retransmit New Zealand feeds that were in contradiction of the NZ Radiocommunications Act 1989.

This was brought to their attention by the NZ ANS provider, supported in this instance by the professional association representing the majority of NZ professional pilots and 99% of NZ air traffic controllers. Unfortunately the owner of the website then lost the plot.

The website owner obviously has no knowledge of the wider issues and even less interest in learning why. When a user (me) attempted to inform his website users of some of the issues (using the website forum) he locked the thread, deleted the post and banned the user. So much for "freedom of speech".

[loggerman]

i had a similar problem looking for a cd to listen to in the car so i looked back on a couple of old threads and discovered that www.pilotwarehouse.co.uk (http://www.pilotwarehouse.co.uk) had just what i needed,radio telephony for students and pilots.
its an idiots guide!!!!

[KenDoddsDadsDogsDied]

I have had mine some weeks now. They were a real help and dealt with things I would never touch on but it was all very interesting and passed away a long journey. If any one buys these CD's they should be aware that in car you can't skip to the next section. Instead the whole thing just returns to start :*

I have taken to remedy my situation by writing out what I want to say before I fly as part of my planning. It really has made life easier and I now am expectant of certain replies and feel confident. :)

For the last 3 weekends I have been flying and have to say at the end of the day there is no substitute for practice. From the CD to the flight plan to successfully flying the numbers I feel so much better now.

I might just buy one now :O !

KDDDD

[Heliport]

slackie The website owner obviously has no knowledge of the wider issues and even less interest in learning why.
I realise it's strictly illegal, but what are the 'wider issues' and why did you object to the (free) service provided by LiveATC.net? :confused:

[zalt]

"it's strictly illegal"

Heliport you have probably aswered your own question. Or does then distributing for free make up for it?

[Flying Bull]

Hi all,

quite interesting, that listening to a CD should improve RT.
What´s about proper preflight planning prevents piss pour performance?

You wanna fly, take a map and sit down and best talk out loud, what calls you have to do - think of any replies you might get and how to answer.

Most problems arise, if unexperienced pilots want to do excactly the same readback as given by ATC and if they want to do it right away.
Its not expected by ATC!

Take a second or two or three, after the call to think about what you heard - maybe dial in the course on the hsi or make a note on your kneeboard and then answer the clearence.
You only get crumbly while thinking what to say - think first, then call

I found it helpful to reread the clearence in reverse oder i.e.
ATC: Callsign, cleared to enter via november for right downwind 24, QNH 1004
My normal answer would be:
one double o 4 set, for right downwind via November, callsign

doing it this way, I have the latest information present in memory and while telling ATC can recall the things said before.

Gretings Flying Bull