Canadian ATPL(H)

[Helisweet]

I need some info about this, and also know if it is similar to FAA ATPL(H) written. THanks in advance, now Im trying a JAR ATPL(H) with CPL/IR/ and Multicrew previous experience but this is not available in Spain.

[AlRuts]

Helisweet,

Be aware, there are age limits together with some level of experience needed in obtaining an ATPL.
Being 17, focus should be on more experience and CPL/IM.
Good luck!

Al Ruts

[Smike]

Helisweet,

Dunno if i got ya but, there´s an integrated ATPL course at Top Fly(Barcelona) with CPL(H), IR,MCC, ATPL theory and R22+ AS355 type ratings. Is this what u were looking for?

Cheers!

[Caribougnal]

Helisweet:
I need some info about this, and also know if it is similar to FAA ATPL(H) written. THanks in advance, now Im trying a JAR ATPL(H) with CPL/IR/ and Multicrew previous experience but this is not available in Spain.

There may be everything you need here:

CANADIAN AVIATION REGULATIONS
Part IV - Personnel Licensing and Training
DIVISION VIII - AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT LICENCE
421.35 Helicopters - Requirement
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/RegServ/Affairs/cars/Part4/Standards/421.htm
(you'll find it at mid-page)

But as it has already been said, you might be too young... You need 21 and at least 1000 hours total flight time (600 helicopter) including 250 PIC, 50 night, 30 instrument and 200 cross-country.
All the details in the link above.

Cheers!
;)

[offshorepilot]

Hello, I fly offshore in the Middle East and was recently recommended for a captaincy upgrade. Nevertheless, I still need to complete my ATPL-H to truly earn that right seat. Besides the Middle East CPLH/IR license I hold a Canadian CPL-H with a restricted Bell 212 single pilot type rating and a FAA PPL-H/IR. With that my only option is to complete the Canadian ATPL-H examinations and the ATPL-H skill requirements on a Bell 212. I had it confirmed by Transport Canada (Ottawa) that I meet all the requirements, but they couldn't tell me where and how I could complete the ATPL-H skill requirements in a helicopter (Bell 212) where the minimum flight crew is 2 pilots or is required to be operated with a co-pilot according to the Canadian Operator's Certificate.

My question, has anyone been in a similar situation or perhaps would know of a Canadian operator who's able to provide me an ATPL_H check ride (PPC) on a Bell 212?

There is provision in the CARs for the completion of a foreign flight test (PPC) for the issue of a Canadian type rating. CAR 421. 40 (6) provides for the use of a foreign flight test and CAR 421.40 (5) covers the foreign PPC requirements for issue of a Canadian type rating. The foreign flight test must be to a Captains standard. A copy of the Captains ride and/or the foreign license with the endorsement (P1) will suffice for the initial issue of an unrestricted 2-crew helicopter type rating once the written exam requirements have been met. However, according to Transport Canada, this option does not provide an ATPL-H. Paragraph (5) and (6) of CAR 421.40 all requirements:

Canadian Aviation Regulations - Part IV, Standard 421 - Flight Crew Permits, Licences and Ratings (http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regserv/Affairs/cars/Part4/Standards/421.htm#421_40.</br>)

Any suggestion or feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks

[HillerBee]

Why don't you get a FAA ATP(H), this doesn't require you to fly multi-crew.

[bb in ca]

It sounds like you need to write the ATPL (HAMRA and HARON) and perhaps the IFR exams then do an IFR PPC on any twin engine helicopter.

Most operators in Canada should be able to sort this out for you, for a hefty price. Make sure you call around to all the operators with IFR equipped 212s for the best price.

Good luck.

[Canuck Guy]

Maybe I'm missing something on the TC site, but I always thought all you needed for a TC ATPL(H) was completion of the Haron and Hamron and Inrat exams. For the IFR flight stuff, do it in a R22 or something like that. No need to do it in a 212 of all things!

Pro IFR and Heli College in Vancouver both have R22 IFR trainers.

[malabo]

You can do the Canadian IR on a robbie. In the US you can do the ATPL on one too.

But you still need to do a checkride on a multicrew helicopter with an IFR portion and some VFR emergencies as a qualifying flight for an unrestricted ATPL. If you don't do an IR segment on the checkride you will only get the type endorsement and restricted ATPL for "utility work only".

You can use the PPC ride for the flight test, or else book a TC inspector to conduct the flight test. You have to find someone that will rent you an aircraft though, and that someone may have an ACP (check-airman) on staff anyway. If you are handy with a 212 now, you'd probably be able to find an operator with a slow winter season that will give you a few hours for around $3000/hr. You can also do it in a sim, I think it has to be a Level B or higher.

Why don't you just get a US ATPL? That way the IR will never expire (actually there are currency requirements, but nobody outside of the US would ever figure that out).

[offshorepilot]

Thanks. I'd prefer this route, however, I only hold a FAA PPL-H/IR which validity is attached to my Canadian CPL-H with 60 hours of night time. Not an option for while to come due to the night time requirement. And for the time being only the fixed wing drivers get to convert their commercial license straight over from Canadian to FAA and vs

[offshorepilot]

Thank you Canuck. I thought so too. The real confusing part is the CAR provision that I quoted. It doesn't make much sense.

[offshorepilot]

Thank you guys for your feedback. Still scratching my head, but I'll figure it out somehow.

Best wishes for the holidays and for health and happiness throughout the coming year.

Keep the rotor in the green.

Cheers

[Canuck Guy]

Don't forget about another snag in the CARs regarding a Captain's upgrade. Any time you have as a co-pilot/First Officer counts as half towards an upgraded licence. So if you have 1000 hours SIC in a 2 crew multi, that's really just 500 hours in the eyes of TC.

421.10 Crediting of Flight Time Acquired by a Co-pilot
The holder of a pilot licence may be credited not more than 50% of co-pilot flight time towards the total flight time required for the issuance of a higher class of pilot licence.


Not assuming you don't have enough PIC time, but this little jem screws a lot of guys.

[tolip321]

I have 1500 hours heli time. all turbine bush flying and am considering doing my atpl exams to hopefully gain more stable, shorter rotation, family friendly employment here in canada.
I have 10 hours instrument time and about 30 hours night flight.
any words of wisdom as to the best way to go about it?, job prospects in the near future? etc...
or to anyone who has already done this, are you happy with the change?
pay, lifestyle, the flying etc...
any advise would be greatly appreciated

cheers :ok:

[r22captain]

tolip
you only have 12 months to fullfill the atpl requirments after writing the exams....so be confident you have a job lined up....

it's 12 now right? I think it used to be 24...maybe it's still 24

ya I brought it back from the dead.....I'm that kind of guy

[Short Shaft]

I thought it was 24 months but that may have changed as you say. The exams are not that much fun so I would be sure I could get a ride in a two pilot aircraft before the exam status expires. I know of some guys that have gotten their ATPLH on IFR 212's, Alpine may have even had one in the past (might still) but otherwise it is not that simple. If you can get a check-ride you will be given an ATPLH restricted for utility use only until you fulfill the rest of the requirements. I believe that equals 50 hrs night PIC (or two pilot crew) and 35 hrs instrument, at that point you will be able to carry passengers VFR. Good luck.