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dumdumbrain
14th Nov 2007, 15:59
Bout time we had a Polish base or two. . . . be very popular with crew to get a transfer.

With easyJet growing very fast now and playing catch up with the number of routes, bases and a/c does anyone else think that Ryanair may be looking to buy another airline, and take advantage of airlines that are feeling the pinch? Was talk about Air Berlin a few months ago, don't see how it would of worked to be honest.

And isn't it about time Ryanair expanded in the new lot of EU counties

Lee

eu01
15th Nov 2007, 18:16
I'll continue with the "Ryanair bases" subject, some new facts have just emerged.

After FR created two new bases in Spain to the South of Barcelona (Alicante and Valencia) it seemed rather obvious that a long-time favourite Reus would lose its chances to become one. Somewhat unexpectedly, the local government in Catalonia has finally reached an agreement with FR today, and yes, one of the new bases WILL be created in Reus soon.

Mr. Manel Nadal, the Secretary General for Transport of the Catalan region announced that Reus (Tarragona) would become in 2008 the second base of operations of Ryanair in Catalonia, with two or three aircraft to be based in Reus in winter and five or six (?!) in the summer.

Thus, the city will get about 17 daily flights from Ryanair and thereafter the number of weekly operations could rise to 130, depending on the success.

In addition, the airline will boost domestic routes, with destinations like Grenada, Seville, Santiago de Compostela, Balearic Islands, and possibly the Canary Islands. Mayor of Reus, Lluis Miquel Perez explained that Ryanair envisaged the airport as an "optimal" and "better than others" to conduct the domestic flights.

The government, local government and businesses have reached a preliminary agreement that will involve promoting new flights from Reus, financed by the territory and the Generalitat.

According to the City of Reus, this agreement will be officially signed before Christmas and will be made public in the first half of January. Mayor of Reus has expressed satisfaction with the preliminary agreement which, according to him, means that "Ryanair has Reus." The officials stressed that the airport operator Aena has "done its homework well" by improving the facilities in Reus and providing them with a new terminal and other equipment required. They also wanted to ensure that the expansion in Reus "shall not influence the growth of Girona, which will continue its expansion as in the past."

eu01
16th Nov 2007, 07:47
Somewhat more precise data about the point in time when a new base in Reus will be started:
El desarrollo de la base se hará en dos etapas: en la primera, a partir de octubre de 2008, acogerá dos aviones, y en la siguiente, en verano del 2009, dispondrá de seis
The first stage in October 2008: 2 planes
The second stage: Summer 2009: 6 planes
(according to elperiodico.com)

...and some new destinations to start from October (listed by diaridetarragona.com (http://www.diaridetarragona.com/dtgn/noticia.php?id=4536&sec=3))París (Francia), Milán (Italia), Bruselas (Bélgica), Eindhoven (Holanda), Estocolmo (Suecia), Goteborg (Suecia), Bremen (Alemania), Oslo (Noruega) y Villund (Dinamarca)

Charlie Roy
18th Nov 2007, 23:24
Regarding the Reus base, I read (but I can't find the article back), that Ryanair will also operate 4 domestic routes from the airport...

Coquelet
19th Nov 2007, 09:10
Bruselas : presumably Brussels South Charleroi (CRL, not BRU).

juninho12
19th Nov 2007, 20:04
Some swiss publications say that ryanair may be interested in basing up to 7 aircraft in GVA and BSL.

Any truth in this?

Charlie Roy
19th Nov 2007, 20:14
Ryanair to give press conference in Porto tomorrow. Big boss will be there.

cesare.caldi
19th Nov 2007, 21:42
Tomorrow Ryanair press conference with MOL at Porto, Madrid and Santander

airhumberside
20th Nov 2007, 09:01
Are these press confrences going to be like the ones in Bratislava and Krakow last week, or new route anouncements?

foxile
20th Nov 2007, 10:18
Interesting about OPO. Flew back to STN from there on the 13th and there was about a dozen people being escorted by RYR officials. They all had a tour of the galley etc. and deplaned together. Said to Mrs. Foxile at the time I thought this could mean a base for OPO very soon(?)
Nearly posted something about this last week with all the talk of new bases but didn't want to look naive ;)

dumdumbrain
20th Nov 2007, 11:41
Ryanair holds training courses down in Porto, might just be students. I get alot of students on my EMA-DUB flights and if i get the chance i show them the rear galley and get them to tell me where stuff is like the halons etc. But a base in Porto has been on the cards for a while, its more of a case of when not if, same goes for RIX, BTS, SXF, AGP

Any ideas of routes? OPO-EMA

Lee

captplaystation
20th Nov 2007, 12:11
One of our "long term CC " (very few of them) told me a couple of months ago it was to be a base, look at how many orange lights you see at night-time , plenty of people there, close to NW of Spain, and lots of Portugese living and working abroad, why not ? Weather a bit crappy/Atlantic though, but nonetheless the tourist market seems bouyant enough though.

eu01
20th Nov 2007, 12:33
Are these press confrences going to be like the ones in Bratislava and Krakow last week, or new route anouncements?Well... yes indeed. "Much ado about nothing", starring MOL, the show played once again. To my mind it's about time to tell something new, many would appreciate this.

foxile
20th Nov 2007, 12:47
Lee
Living in Leicester/Porto, I would be more than happy for an EMA-OPO route. I'm backwards and forwards every couple of weeks.
To get the chance to get away from the mad house that is now STN (I remember it in the good 'ole days when Air UK were the major force there) and the pain of the A14 would be great.
With less time, less fuel and no car parking costs (thanks Mrs. F) I would gladly pay a little more than the average out of STN too.
Here's dreaming:zzz:

MUFC_fan
23rd Nov 2007, 21:56
Ryanair are famous for not paying for what they don't need (and often not paying for things they do need!) but why, in GRO, do they get prime spots on the apron?

I have been to GRO 4 times in the last two years on the BLK-GRO service and every time I have noticed that at least 5 FR a/c were taking the main stands on the apron and airlines such as MYT, TOM and Spanair are having to park on the other stands.

I know FR are based there but so are Spanair and they don't seem to get the 'FR treatment' and I'm guessing they are probably paying more than FR!

Does this happen at other bases? Does FR take better spots than the other airlines who are more likely to pay more?

Cheers.

Patuta
26th Nov 2007, 18:48
MOL interview (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/11/06/cnryan106.xml): ‘Frankly, we'd welcome higher oil prices. It would put a lot of flaky carriers out of business’

dumdumbrain
26th Nov 2007, 19:30
well its true

VanBosh
28th Nov 2007, 14:16
Another Wednesday gone without any new aircraft deploymnet announcemnets. They usually announce plenty of new routes at this stage and MOL said about a month ago they would announce 1 or 2 bases within a few weeks.

Perhaps he is still trying to thrash out a deal with Malpensa. It wont be Riga or Bratislava or Porto I dont think as he wouldnt have gone there on PR trips recently if he was going to be back to announce a base.

How many free aircraft still for this winter?

airbourne
4th Dec 2007, 03:36
Just a thought, but with Eastern Euro bases, why dont they fly to Moscow. In fact why is it so difficult to fly to Moscow?

pee
4th Dec 2007, 07:57
why is it so difficult to fly to Moscow?
Due to lack of the Open Skies. Russia has not been eager to sign any agreement with the EU, so only selected carriers can explore this market, Ryanair can't. Unless they choose to try St. Petersburg West (EFLP) of course. Yet, it didn't warm them up.

EFLP is Lappeenranta in eastern Finland, the closest EU airport to St. Petersburg, two hours bus drive from the center of this famous city. It could lure thousands of Russians and serve as a gate to the West for them as well as give EU citizens access to Northern Russia. It would require however more than just flights to EFLP, e.g. frequent shuttle busses between St. Petersburg and Lappeenranta. Too difficult? Some years ago there were some short negotiations between Finnish Aviation authorities and FR, but Ryanair has been very sceptical about Russia's potential at the time. A success in Poland and other Eastern European countries could influence their stands, however. I was very surprised after being able to see tens of Russian cars at Tampere Airport. Many Russians drive there from St. Petersburg, some 460 kilometers(!), to be able to continue with Ryanair to London or Germany. Driving to Lappeenranta only they'd have 60% less distance to make. If MOL wanted to fill his planes somewhat better...

Squark7000
4th Dec 2007, 10:39
Ryanair do something similar for Vienna (East). They fly to Bratislava and have a bus for about 8 Euros to Vienna. So it can be done. The big possible problem could be the boarder control between Finland (EU land) and Russia.

egnxema
4th Dec 2007, 11:51
Were does the whole dig at Ryanair names come from?

Brussels South is not a Ryanair invented name - it is of the airport's own choosing.

I only found out recently that Antwerp renamed them selves Brussels North as of January 07.

ESCNI
4th Dec 2007, 13:07
Brussels North...are you sure? :eek:

...sounds more like a piss-take to me. :hmm:

Charlie Roy
4th Dec 2007, 13:35
Yes it's true. Antwerp airport is also (officially) know as Brussels North.
Antwerp airport is nearer Brussels that Charleroi airport, as a matter of fact.

ESCNI
4th Dec 2007, 13:42
Heavens (http://www.flightmapping.com/Europe/Belgium/)!

What next....Liverpool Airport rebranded as Manchester West?

I think not! :=

DONTTELLTHEPAX
4th Dec 2007, 13:52
You will find Manchester Airport is in Stockport :ouch:.

ESCNI
4th Dec 2007, 14:27
Has it been given its own post code (M90 rather than an SK one) in an effort to disgiuse this fact?

Bartek
5th Dec 2007, 18:06
BAA timetable showing two new Ryanair services from Edinburgh for summer 2008:

Bremen 2 x weekly
Pisa 3 x weekly

Not currently on sale, though.

MUFC_fan
5th Dec 2007, 22:42
Are FR planning on any expansion from DUB in the near future?

The reason I say this is that BLK-DUB flights are almost always full on Fridays, Sundays and Mondays in both directions. Is it not possible for the airline to launch another three flights per week on the route or do they find higher yielding routes than that?

I know that the airline has grounded planes this winter but if they looked at what other ways of making the money, why not? Give it a try. I'm sure other routes from DUB also fill up on the these days. Why not have one of the grounded aircraft in DUB and fly it on days that there is higher demand such as the three mentioned above. If it doens't work - cancel them! All airlines do it!:rolleyes:

triple nickel
10th Dec 2007, 16:45
tomorrow is a press conferenz in NRN.

They call it ''Am Niederrhein bewegt sich was''. (In Niederrhein is something on the move).

So I wondere wat they have to say. New routes or just some bla bla about the dutch eco-tax.

But the Terminal in Weeze in under reconstruction this time, si I think there will be some new routes for Weeze.

antoslaw
11th Dec 2007, 08:45
Two new routes from NRN to Poland will be announced today, Wroclaw and Bydgoszcz.

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darren1
11th Dec 2007, 09:24
Have just announced the ending of the London to Brussels route in March, but 5 new routes from Brussels to Bergerac, Perpignan, Limoges, Zaragoza and Porto and a new based aircraft.

840
11th Dec 2007, 09:43
I suppose the increased speed on the Eurostar combined with the move to North London making it easier to nab passengers from Hertfordshire, Bedfordshire etc. always made the ending of Stansted-Charleroi likely.

That's a lot of French regional destinations offered now. I'm a bit suprised they haven't upped their eastwards coverage from Belgium yet.

boyzinblue
11th Dec 2007, 09:58
2 new routes from Weeze to Bydgoszcz and Wroclaw from March announced

pee
11th Dec 2007, 10:03
I'm a bit suprised they haven't upped their eastwards coverage from Belgium yet.Right. Finland forgotten as well (this blindness didn't surprise me any more).

VanBosh
13th Dec 2007, 09:28
Just saw an interview with MOL on Bloomberg.

He said they will announce their first Romanian route within 2 weeks and also said 2008 will see a E European Base.

Based
13th Dec 2007, 15:06
Cork gets it first mainland Europe route to Carcassonne – Wednesdays, Saturdays and Sundays from June until September.

Dublin getting Brest, Rodez and Tours from April.

Charlie Roy
13th Dec 2007, 16:07
Looking at the Dublin to Rodez schedule, it looks like the aircraft will do a W to another as-of-yet-unannounced destination (not London) on Saturdays.

Either that, or the loaded timetable does not have the correct times.

Based
13th Dec 2007, 17:15
Yeah, normal 25 minute turnaround applies on DUB-RDZ until the end of May. It's after that it changes, seems strange/unlikely that Rodez would get a non-base route though.

Also looks like there will be changes on the ORK-DUB route in the summer to faciliate Carcassonne, either a reduction in rotations or making use of a DUB based aircraft instead. As it stands 2 morning rotations on Wednesday, 2 evening rotations on Saturday and 1 morning rotation on Sunday will have to be dropped but can still be booked at the minute. Also the Saturday evening/Sunday morning combination seems strange - definitely inspired by poor demand at these times currently I imagine!

lfc84
17th Dec 2007, 13:50
according to radio merseyside ryanair have called news conferences in both liverpool and manchester tomorrow (18/12) "to announce their largest ever expansion".

has anyone got any guesses on the new routes ?

GLENO
17th Dec 2007, 14:10
largest ever expansion? Must be pretty big then, they only fly two routes from Manchester!!:} Are they planning to steal the limelight away from Easyjet???????????

As for Liverpool.................

Think they have got most of the main routes covered from Liverpool so if it's true god knows what they are going to announce!!!!

Scottie Dog
17th Dec 2007, 14:19
Have heard from my source that an annoucement is to be made tomorrow, but no airline mentioned.

Interesting times ahead??

Scottie Dog
17th Dec 2007, 14:24
Now Ryanair expand too

17/12/2007


RYANAIR, Europe’s largest budget airline, is set to announce a major expansion of its Manchester services.

The move by the Irish carrier comes hours after MEN Business broke the news that easyJet will begin operating out of Manchester early next year.

Dublin-based Ryanair, led by the charismatic and outspoken Michael O’Leary, currently operates flights to Dublin and Shannon from Manchester.

It is understood that the airline will be doubling the number of flights and launching new destinations in the coming months.

After the sale of BA’s Manchester-based regional airline BA Connect to low cost carrier Flybe this year, Manchester has become a major battleground for budget airlines.

In addition to exsisting players Flybe, Jet2, and bmibaby, the addition of easyJet and the expansion of Ryanair, will give passengers huge choice and should lead to ultra-competitive pricing.

lfc84
17th Dec 2007, 15:17
have they acquired an existing operator at manchester or are they going to ship in a load of planes........?

Charlie Roy
17th Dec 2007, 16:49
This is gonna be another Milan-Malpensa-style announcement. "We're probably going to expand, maybe, in a few years, and we'll have loads of routes". But then, no actual route announcements.

If there are no physical route announcements tomorrow, with no new routes in the booking engine, then I'm going to be very angry :* In that case, they should save the announcement until the day they have new flights to load into the booking engine. Then I'm interested.

DONTTELLTHEPAX
18th Dec 2007, 07:26
I think Ryanair will be looking to open a STN/LTN route
out of Manchester after Blackpool was dropped and
AirBerlin pulled out.

Also PMI, ALC, GRO, BGY, CRL, BHD.

MAN777
18th Dec 2007, 07:33
Why would they want a Stansted and or Luton route ?

Who would want to travel to the airport, hang around for an HOUR +, fly for 30 mins and then do the reverse at the other end, when you can do it in a little over 2 hours on the train.

Also the APD doesnt help, this tax was considered to be one of the reasons why Air Berlin stopped the domestic flights.

Rubber Duck
18th Dec 2007, 07:45
I understand there is a big Ryanair Press Conference at Newquay Cornwall Airport today to announce a number of new routes from the South West!!!

DONTTELLTHEPAX
18th Dec 2007, 07:52
You have almost got it right, re- AB and APD, the main reason
for pulling the MAN-STN route was most Pax had to pay the
APD twice on flights connecting through STN to other destinations.

I for one would rather fly to MAN than take the train,
It takes me an hour to get to London then change
to the London Underground then find my pre booked seat
has some chav sitting in it.
I would rather take a 20min cab ride to STN sit and chill
in one of the many bars have a relaxing pint or a coffee
then fly for 20-30mins to MAN.

(I am NOT alone on this one) "am I" :ooh:

dwlpl
18th Dec 2007, 07:59
The local media are reporting this morning that the press conference in Liverpool is being hailed as "Ryanair will announce their plans for their biggest-ever route expansion through Liverpool".

wouldhave
18th Dec 2007, 08:15
Actually MAN777 its not a pleasant drive from MAN to STN. Even doing it at 2 in the morning can take 4 hrs plus. I think FR would do well on a MAN-STN routing providing they can do it at the right times.

Curious Pax
18th Dec 2007, 08:53
You must have been unlucky Wouldhave - 200 miles routing M56/M6/A14/M11 would take no more than 3 hours driving legally, which isn't far off the time you would need door to door when flying, and may be better depending on you final destination. However as soon as you try travelling anywhere near the rush hour then it does indeed become painful.

thepeacock
18th Dec 2007, 08:56
Going to be a busy day for Ryanair..

Birmingham to Barcelona Girona, Marseille, Pisa
Edinburgh to Alicante, Bremen, Frankfurt, Marseille, Pisa
Liverpool to Malaga, Nantes
London Stansted to Angouleme, Faro
Manchester – Barcelona Girona, Bremen, Marseille and Milan
Newquay – Alicante, Barcelona Girona

dwlpl
18th Dec 2007, 09:02
Liverpool to Malaga and Nantes.

Ian Brooks
18th Dec 2007, 09:08
I am guessing that Ryanair will not actually base an aircraft at Manchester at least at the moment

Ian

BOU_PAX
18th Dec 2007, 09:19
New routes to Girona and Alicante from Newquay have appeared on the route map as well as the existing Stansted route.

VanBosh
18th Dec 2007, 09:21
Will also be announcing routes from BHX, LPL, MAN, NQY and London

Also routes will anounced to arad and constania in romania and angouleme in France. They will annouce 50 routes today.

Musket90
18th Dec 2007, 09:24
It's actually 3hrs 15 mins driving legally and without hold-ups. Any time of the day on these roads are peak and therefore timing unpredictable, so flying is much more convenient for a lot of people, provided the price is right.

DONTTELLTHEPAX
18th Dec 2007, 09:37
Angouleme and Faro from 1st Apr 2008

StoneyBridge Radar
18th Dec 2007, 09:49
Showing on RYR's booking engine:

GRO, BRE, DUB, MRS, BGY, SNN

Stoney

DONTTELLTHEPAX
18th Dec 2007, 09:54
Birmingham to Barcelona Girona, Marseille, Pisa

Edinburgh to Alicante, Bremen, Frankfurt, Marseille, Pisa

Liverpool to Malaga, Nantes

London Stansted to Angouleme, Faro

Manchester – Barcelona Girona, Bremen, Marseille and Milan

Newquay – Alicante, Barcelona Girona

VanBosh
18th Dec 2007, 09:55
Birmingham to Barcelona Girona, Marseille, Pisa
Edinburgh to Alicante, Bremen, Frankfurt, Marseille, Pisa
Liverpool to Malaga, Nantes
London Stansted to Angouleme, Faro
Manchester – Barcelona Girona, Bremen, Marseille and Milan
Newquay – Alicante, Barcelona Girona
BGY - Arad
PSA - Constanta

DTVAirport
18th Dec 2007, 10:03
MME-ALC also.

toledoashley
18th Dec 2007, 10:03
Birmingham to Barcelona Girona, Marseille, Pisa
Edinburgh to Alicante, Bremen, Frankfurt, Marseille, Pisa
Liverpool to Malaga, Nantes
London Stansted to Angouleme, Faro
Manchester – Barcelona Girona, Bremen, Marseille and Milan
Newquay – Alicante, Barcelona Girona
Milan Bergamo - Arad
Pisa - Constanta
Tesside - Alicante

take-off
18th Dec 2007, 11:07
what te chances of blk gettin extra sun routes off ryanair, holidayspots tend to do well from here, little happening with jet2, maybe a year round canary flight be great, certainly be popular, after a london flight with decent times!!!!!!!!!!!:ok:

toledoashley
18th Dec 2007, 12:32
Something odd in the booking system - Bristol to Edinburgh and Manchester!

Wiggly Bob
18th Dec 2007, 14:20
Why do Stanstead - Angouilem (?) when you already fly to La Rochelle just up the road? :ugh:

Rob

virginblue
18th Dec 2007, 14:35
Why Luton if you already serve East Midlands? Why Edinburgh when Prestwick is already a base?
It is about the same distance from La Rochelle to Angouleme as from Luton to East Midlands or Edinburgh to Prestwick - 90 miles.

Jippie
18th Dec 2007, 14:35
It's a 2 hour drive, in that time I can get to 4 Ryanairports:)

andy mach 1
18th Dec 2007, 14:53
This has been known by local ex-pat's for some months as it had been in the local papers. The whole Poitou-Charentes area is very popular with the British and Irish with the 2nd or 3rd largest ex-pats after Paris with nearly 20,000. Plus it is good news for me as the out-law's have a house 20 mins away.:)

Andrew

Rubber Duck
18th Dec 2007, 16:05
Stansted is double daily!!

OliWW
18th Dec 2007, 16:23
Airport taxes are heavier at Birmingham compared to EMA... there is currently only 3-4 flights a week to Pisa from EMA, and Marseille is untouched, and they could easily add more Girona flights, so why choose Birmingham, Easyjet could move in, bmibaby are in there with Marseille, Nice and Barcelona + Rome and Milan and BE also have Milan, so why are ryanair going into BHX instead of EMA...


Clearly EMA would have been a better choice for expanding...

OltonPete
18th Dec 2007, 17:11
OliWW

PSA - Nobody has touched this route since MyTravelLite and in summer it
will make money irrespective of the EMA service

GRO - Again has its own market as well as for Barcelona and there is
plenty of room for both WW & FR and again should not affect EMA

MRS - ??? other than to **** off BMI Baby but at least it is on different
days.

Also with Baby expanding, Easy sniffing it is no doubt a little warning plus the main fact that there is money to be had from a small BHX operation at least for a little while.

Pete

ATNotts
18th Dec 2007, 18:56
And the primary airports have almost certainly not given into Ryanair's usual demands for discounted this, and free that. They (the airports that is) might actually make money from Ryanair rather than simply jacking up car parking, security and charges to the passenger.

A bit brighter business model than the EMAs, Prestwicks and Liverpools of this world perhaps.

Balair
18th Dec 2007, 19:16
ATNotts

I'm sure the millions of passengers that are now able to use the airports you mention would be more than happy for their respective managements to adopt business models which resulted in a situation whereby they again only offered a handful of scheduled routes at elevated prices...!?

I think Ryanair's latest announcements have more to do with spoiling tactics against the opposition than an eagerness to operate from these airports.

StoneyBridge Radar
18th Dec 2007, 20:22
Interestingly and surprisingly in the press release, seems Ryanair have somewhat bigger plans in the future for MAN, especially surprising considering relations between them and the airport have been notoriously icy in the past:
"RYANAIR was the latest budget airline to unveil major expansion plans at Manchester Airport when it announced services to the cities of Milan, Marseille, Girona in Spain and Bremen in Germany would start next year.
The Irish carrier will operate a total of 12 services a week to those destinations initially.
It hopes to add four more Manchester routes by June and a further four by summer 2009."
Stoney

MUFC_fan
18th Dec 2007, 21:15
They may have had an icey past but the future says that MAN is a major part their expansion plans and I'm guessing by 2010 FR is looking at basing aircraft at the airport.

Although Mr O'Leary may not get on very well with the MAG heads, he does know that MAN will be important, especially if EZY want to get a foot in. You can argue all day that LPL has just as much pulling power for these two airlines as MAN, but to be blunt - it doesn't. LPL will keep on growing and these two airlines will be vital, but if one airline (EZY) started expanding into MAN and not the other, then the latter would be left behind and I think we are seeing this by today's move by FR.

Also, as O'Leary said earlier this year, he has planes arriving sometimes trice weekly and they need to fly somewhere. I also remember him saying that it was vital for FR to enter the bigger markets to keep growing at it's pace, it also mentioned AMS as a possible destination (not from MAN, just in general) but I think they might pass on that one seeing the tax increases by the 'green' government.

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On a completely different topic, not related to todays announcements, I have been looking through the EK website (booked for next summer) and noticed that ythey call themselves the 'World's fastest growing airline.' I know they have aircraft arriving all the time and within the 250-500 seat bracket but are they really growing as quick as FR?

cesare.caldi
18th Dec 2007, 22:04
All the 26 Ryanair new route annunced today:

New:Malaga (AGP) to Liverpool, John Lennon (LPL)
New:Alicante (ALC) to Darlington, Durham Tees Valley (MME)
New:Alicante (ALC) to Newquay, Cornwall (NQY)
New:Alicante (ALC) to Zaragoza (ZAZ)
New:Bergamo, Orio Al Serio (BGY) to Arad (ARW)
New:Birmingham, International (BHX) to Gerona, Costa Brava (GRO)
New Edinburgh, Turnhouse (EDI) to Alicante (ALC)
New Edinburgh, Turnhouse (EDI) to Bremen (BRE)
New Edinburgh, Turnhouse (EDI) to Bristol (BRS)
New Edinburgh, Turnhouse (EDI) to Hahn, Frankfurt-Hahn (HHN)
New Edinburgh, Turnhouse (EDI) to Marseille, Provence (MRS)
New Edinburgh, Turnhouse (EDI) to Pisa, Galileo Galilei (PSA)
New:Gerona, Costa Brava (GRO) to Newquay, Cornwall (NQY)
New:Hahn, Frankfurt-Hahn (HHN) to Sevilla, San Pablo (SVQ)
New:Hahn, Frankfurt-Hahn (HHN) to Trapani, Birgi (TPS)
New:Liverpool, John Lennon (LPL) to Nantes, Atlantique (NTE)
New:Manchester (MAN) to Bergamo, Orio Al Serio (BGY)
New:Manchester (MAN) to Bremen (BRE)
New:Manchester (MAN) to Bristol (BRS)
New:Manchester (MAN) to Gerona, Costa Brava (GRO)
New:Manchester (MAN) to Marseille, Provence (MRS)
New:Marseille, Provence (MRS) to Malaga (AGP)
New:Marseille, Provence (MRS) to Birmingham, International (BHX)
New:Pisa, Galileo Galilei (PSA) to Birmingham, International (BHX)
New:Pisa, Galileo Galilei (PSA) to Bari, Palese (BRI)
New:Pisa, Galileo Galilei (PSA) to Constanta, Kogalniceanu (CND)
New:London, Stansted (STN) to Angouleme, Brie-Champniers (ANG)
New:London, Stansted (STN) to Faro (FAO)

dumdumbrain
19th Dec 2007, 07:28
Yes Ryanair has had issues with MAG at MAN, but this didn't stop it coming to EMA and later setting up a base, after all as from feb/08 we will have 6a/c.

Lee

VanBosh
19th Dec 2007, 07:31
as no new plane allocations were announced this is just re scheduling. any word on what was dropped or freq reduced?

larshakan
19th Dec 2007, 10:22
Cesare.Caldi Do you have any idea what the freqs are on the new routes and which days they are operated?

UPS@EMA
19th Dec 2007, 10:40
is there going to be any expansion announced at EMA over the festive period for Ryanair????? Quite suprised there wasnt 1 route for EMA mentioned yesterday.

Regards

Stu

BRS_flyer
19th Dec 2007, 10:55
cesare: Where did that list come from?? Are you sure about MAN-BRS and EDI-BRS. No sign of them on the route map yet.

Charlie Roy
19th Dec 2007, 11:30
BRS to EDI and MAN will only be a couple of flights in 2008 for a special event in the region of Bristol.

ESCNI
19th Dec 2007, 12:41
Let me guess...the Cheltenham National Hunt Festival in March 2008?

;)

MUFC_fan
19th Dec 2007, 17:40
Obviously FR has too many aircraft and they now seem to be arriving too quickly!

Looks like the airline are operating wet lease on their aircraft! Wonder how much a short term brand spanking new 738(W) on wet lease will cost! Would have to be desperate!

Squark7000
19th Dec 2007, 17:47
The real test as to how many spare airframes FR have will come in a few months time. Will they still be offering wet leases during the summer season?

Skipness One Echo
19th Dec 2007, 20:34
Flying PIK-STN at the weekend I got into trouble from Helga the Hosty who was most cross that I had out my rucksack under the seat in front. I was in an "Emergency Exit" row you see. Apparently.
The back of the seat in front told me this too, except there is a snag. I was in the last row, there was a wall behind me and the nearest exit was door 4L beyond the bulkhead. So why on Earth is this an exit row and what is the problem with putting my bags under the seat in front as the exit is behind me. Beyond the galley. And a wall. So not THAT close.

:ugh:

I may be being thick here so don't hesitate to explain. Thanks chaps.,

dumdumbrain
19th Dec 2007, 20:59
Door 4L?????

what row was you in?

Lee

Skipness One Echo
19th Dec 2007, 21:02
The last row. Seat 33A. It might be Door 2L if we aren't counting the overwing exits.

dumdumbrain
19th Dec 2007, 21:09
Yes the No.2 told you to move your bag because in the event of an emergency we would ask you to help, and dont want bags getting in the way. Im sure it's in the SEP Manual Part D for good reason. And the door in question would be the L2 door. Actually I will have a quick look for the offical reason why. But I gotta be up early to go RIX

Lee

kingdee
19th Dec 2007, 22:56
the last row of every 73-8 is classed as emergency exit ,ok your not next to it bit you are the nearset able bodied pax to help in case of cabin crew not occupying their take/landing postions .e.g other cabin duties or in cacitated. ." elga was full correct in asking to remove bags .One other safety point of the 73-8 the life - vest in not always under yr seat ,the new design it pops down from the panel above yr head .:D

ryanair1
20th Dec 2007, 04:13
Bournemouth rumoured to be next base announcement

PRG 3 weekly, ALC to daily, PIK to double daily, DUB to double daily, BVA daily, EGC daily, FCO daily, VCE 3 weekly, TRP 3 weekly, FAO 4 weekly, MJV daily, Palma 4 weekly, SZG 3 wekly, ARN 2 weekly, WAW 4 weekly, PZN 3 weekly, MLA weekly, REU 3 weekly, GRO daily, TFS 2 weekly

mika3
20th Dec 2007, 06:36
ARN 2 weekly? Arlanda Stokholm, I don't belive that.

eu01
20th Dec 2007, 07:27
ARN 2 weekly? Arlanda Stokholm, I don't belive that.
Neither me; PZN... did you mean POZ (Poznan)? FCO... CIA perhaps? VCE... or TSF? Okay, let's wait and see.


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en2r
20th Dec 2007, 11:46
FCO... CIA perhaps?
Ya, Ryanair have never served Fuimcino Airport, and there is no possibility of expansion at Ciampino since there is a major legal battle between the airport and local residents who want to see the airport closed. No expansion of services is allowed in the meantime.

Overall I think you're being a bit over ambitious. They'd need about 4 aircraft I reckon to serve all the routes you're claiming. Ryanair NEVER start bases with 4 aircraft. They always start with either 1 or 2 aircraft. Bournemouth is one of those airports like Riga and Beauvais that have been claimed to be "Ryanair's next base" for years so I'll only believe it when I see the press release!

aeulad
20th Dec 2007, 12:06
That list of Bournemouth destinations and frequencies is pure romance!

Why do people spread these 100% false rumours. Some of the destinations are possible, but what a load of tosh.

Regards

Mike

javier.mjv
20th Dec 2007, 13:04
Hello to all!!

Do you see any chance of having any new routes into MJV in the coming months or is Murcia now playing the second fiddle and will get something only in the case ALC doesnt want it?
I´d love to see HHN or BRE back again and other new destinations such as BGY or Rome.

Thanks

fast & fat
20th Dec 2007, 14:08
i heard a rumour that ryr may be thinking about buying jet2? they have some good bases where ryr have none, ie MAN LBA EDI NCL.

just wondering if any truth in it or just BS?

eurostar builder
20th Dec 2007, 15:46
RE Bournemouth Base

Although I really want a Ryanair Bournemouth Base, Your list is a DREAM, WAKE UP.

gate 22
20th Dec 2007, 16:35
heard a rumour that ryr may be thinking about buying jet2?

That would be an interesting move - they would aquire LBA as a base, keep a check on EZY at MAN and upset EI at BFS (in through the unlocked back door)

MUFC_fan
20th Dec 2007, 19:29
No chance.

EZY is more of a taker for LS and I certainly wouldn't expect that too soon! The operations work completely different, serving different markets and certainly wrong a/c types!

gate 22
20th Dec 2007, 19:50
The operations work completely different, serving different markets and certainly wrong a/c types!

1. FR bought over buzz many moons ago they had 146's also appeared more 'business' like.
2. MOL is unpredictable if he could pull one over some other carrier like EI he would certainly think about it.

Your probably right - just a rumour

DTVAirport
20th Dec 2007, 20:19
I actually see Jet2 being the buyer and not the bought (Not for EZY or RYR though - obviously).

chrism20
20th Dec 2007, 20:49
Agreed

A quick target would probably be GSM and would give them the long haul foothold they seem to crave.

EGAC_Ramper
20th Dec 2007, 23:45
Certainly interesting rumour, agree theirs more chance I think of LS buying GSM.

However the arguement about LS having different a/c to FR doesn't hold up much sway I'm afriad. As mentioned FR bought over Buzz with 146's and with FR having a continuous flow of B738's coming over from Seattle getting shot/replacements for the 734's wouldnt be a problem and I would suspect eh 757's would be dropped.

FR need places to stick their planes! :O lol


Regards

omoko joe
20th Dec 2007, 23:56
Can't see EZY being interested in LS either. They were spotted in the offices of Excel a while ago though (after the GB announcement)

Yeadon Dam
21st Dec 2007, 07:09
I don't see why anyone has to take anyone else over. Chance for all the locos to show what they are really made of next Summer in the North West.

gate 22
21st Dec 2007, 08:12
There may be no initial rational reason for LS to be taken by FR, but with MOL's past time of cat and mouse with EI (with regard to BFS) and an instant mega base at LBA - who knows, just an interesting rumour.

Yeadon Dam
21st Dec 2007, 11:24
Yes, I will be very interested to see how it all pans out next Summer.

HEADWAY
21st Dec 2007, 12:10
Does anyone know about fr basing 2 more nightstopping aircraft at Bristol in 2008?

bmibaby.com
21st Dec 2007, 12:18
It is MOL who keeps banging on about the LCC industry "blood-bath" with a result of just two or three big low-cost airlines with a couple of niche players, but I'd imagine that Ryanair are more keen on organic growth, as it's cheaper and less complicated to muscle a competitor out of the arena rather than buy somebody out. On the other hand, they have a massive amount of 737s on order with a need to put them all somewhere, so buying out and turning around a smaller, less successful airline and gaining a ready made workforce might be on the cards, like with buzz a few years previously.

BALLSOUT
22nd Dec 2007, 12:10
This RYR take over of Jet2 has been talked about for a while now. I also think it is quite possible. There has been no blood bath at Leeds & Newcastle, simply because Mol has stayed away. A couple of years ago it was claimed that Mol and PM were having secret meetings. Imagine say that they did the deal then. RYR keep a low presence at the Jet2 bases to allow them to grow, while RYR concentrate on other countries. Then, sometime in the future, when jet2's 737 fleet has reached a pre determined size, they conclude the deal. RYR take over the 737-300 fleet and all low cost routes. Jet2 757's and Chanex remain in PM's hands, allong with Jet2 Holidays.
As far as cost, Mol would make good money on the deal. RYR make many millions on every airframe they take from the factory. They would also have a lot of old 737's to sell off for cash. On top of all this of course. They get new, ready made UK bases with trained crews. Win Win Win.
BALLSOUT.

eu01
23rd Dec 2007, 15:56
After months of talks, the head of the Malpensa's management company (SEA) Giuseppe Bonomi told the Corriere della Sera newspaper on Sunday that he had turned down Ryanair's offer to operate out of the international airport. He described the plan made by the airline as unacceptable.

The plan was presented in September after Alitalia's latest reorganisation envisioned halving the number of flights out of the Milan's biggest airport. "Nothing will be done, at least in 2008," Chairman Bonomi said. "You should never say never, but they have to soften their position". Ryanair would have obliged SEA to change its strategy completely, and the tariffs it wanted to charge passengers were too low for the airport.

What's coming next then? Some new FR airplanes coming to Bergamo? And, I guess, a couple of announcements about new bases elsewhere coming shortly, with Poland in the first row.

dumdumbrain
24th Dec 2007, 10:58
Stuff em then. . . . But to be honest I expected Ryanair to go into MXP and rape the airport, and just hold up a card saying FREE (LIBERARE) and start pointing at everything in sight. And then say, well BGY said we could have x,y, z for liberare. But it keeps Ryanair in the Italian press.

And how many of you actually think MOL actually goes to all these airports. He will send his base managers and some people from the Whitehouse and then he will have a look at it, and say yes/no, and then go to the press statement. (If I was him id be too busy rolling round in my money, then flying round in my spare time shouting my mouth off about other airlines n airports). Must have the luck of the Irish :E

Lee

glasgowpik
2nd Jan 2008, 20:12
With Milan Malpensa rejecting FR's offer,and plenty of new A/C on order,can anyone summarize FR's next move?Are new bases to be announced within summer?

MUFC_fan
2nd Jan 2008, 20:16
I'm guessing that they will expand at their BGY base and also look at Eastern Europe (Riga and Krakow?)

Alos, I think it is only a matter of time now before EDI, BOH and MAN become FR bases, especially with EZY growing quicker than we all thought!:D

Charlie Roy
2nd Jan 2008, 20:26
There'll be a base announcement in January:
Porto OPO, 2 aircraft, 8 routes (of which none domestic)

SAM-EMA
2nd Jan 2008, 21:11
Is there any EMA possibility? This route would be great for EMA.

SAM-EMA

glasgowpik
2nd Jan 2008, 21:15
Porto base to start flights within summer?

Charlie Roy
2nd Jan 2008, 23:57
Porto base to start flights within summer?

Sorry, don't know.

antoslaw
3rd Jan 2008, 07:34
Any chances for polish city to be FR base and which one ? :)

egnxema
3rd Jan 2008, 12:53
Bit of a sad question I know.

But is there any clear logic to FR flight numbers?

Do flights operated by aircraft at a certain base all begin with the same 2 numbers?

Or are the numbers simply assign when the route is launched?

Fly4Fun
3rd Jan 2008, 13:27
Porto (OPO) new Ryanair base, is that for sure or just a rumour?
I have a portuguese collegue who is always saying that will move to Ryanair as soon as they open a base in Portugal. :ok:

Skipness One Echo
3rd Jan 2008, 19:18
The flight numbers are roughly related to a base, thought not necessarily the operating one. ie FR9305 GSE-PIK flies with both PIK and GSE crews and aircraft depending on the day of the week. This flight number isn't really a PIK one which tends to be FR78xx. There are loads of exceptions though !

Voldermort
3rd Jan 2008, 19:52
Except that FR9305 is actually NYO-PIK I think you mean FR7892/3 which is PIK-GSE-PIK.
But you are correct and when the NYO route first started it was originally operated by a NYO based a/c thats why the flight number does not start with a "7" like most other PIK routes:ok:
An answer that is now much sadder than the original question:}

JadeGoody
4th Jan 2008, 15:44
STN-VXO is rumored, 4 times a week. Rumored to start in the summer

Charlie Roy
4th Jan 2008, 19:48
Sorry. I spoke too soon. The announcement of a Ryanair base at Porto is indefinitely postponed following a disagreement between Ryanair and the airport.
The airport had agreed to offer special reduced charges to Ryanair but now they have changed their mind.

http://jn.sapo.pt/2008/01/04/porto/sonae_corrida_para_gerir_o_aeroporto.html

http://jn.sapo.pt/2008/01/03/porto/rio_que_nao_pode_perder_dinheiro.html

VanBosh
7th Jan 2008, 10:08
Well if the OPO base is a non runner and the MXP deal is over that leaves 4 aircraft arriving unallocated. Does anyone know when these arrive? I though I heard by March?

Any ideas where they will go MAN, BOH, RIX, BTS?

dwlpl
7th Jan 2008, 10:24
Could be that Liverpool needs at least one more 737.

In the summer scheduling period the Ryanair Liverpool base has a need for eight based aircraft, at this moment Liverpool is home to just seven aircraft.

Flitefone
7th Jan 2008, 11:31
http://www.jethros.dwsitech.com/fleets/fleets.htm

This is an excellent and accurate site for UK and Irish airline fleet data. See the Ryanair aircraft on order pages for exact delivery dates for imminent aircraft..

Flitefone

glasgowpik
8th Jan 2008, 08:51
I think it's more than four aircrafts unallocated.
How low charges does ryanair want to pay to airports?It's interesting that both MXP and OPO have refused the deal for the same reason.

iflycwl
8th Jan 2008, 12:32
Would Ryan Air ever consider returning back to Cardiff ?

New base at BRS, how about some routes to alternate destinations from Cardiff - especially as they have quite a large fleet of B737-800's now.

On a seperate note, it was great to see x2 Ryan Air 737's here on the last week of December - diversions from BRS due to weather - it was like a blast from the past !!!

840
9th Jan 2008, 11:36
Bournemouth confirmed as the new base


Edit: New routes to Malaga, Murcia, Nantes, Palma and Wroclaw

glasgowpik
10th Jan 2008, 20:18
PIK-BOH route now to be operated by PIK based aircraft or BOH?

MUFC_fan
10th Jan 2008, 20:26
Both.

Morning flight is BOH and afternoon is PIK. Can't really see how it is good for business passengers though.

Le Tirer
10th Jan 2008, 20:28
Morning flight operated by BOH based aircraft
BOH-PIK-BOH
0630-0735/0800-0910

Afternoon flight operated by PIK based aircraft
PIK-BOH-PIK
1355-1510/1535-1655

LT

owenkirk2005
11th Jan 2008, 10:28
hello could any one in the know please let me know if this is correct. I am flying to belfast city from east midlands on 19th feb. I leave on the early 0630, and was due to fly back on the 1405 from belfast. i recived a flight time change which now means i leave belfast city at 1745 and arrive back at 1850 which is no problem to me, but when i checked the schedule it looks like this

FR1412
Depart EMA 1745 Arrive Belfast City 1850

FR1413
Depart Belfast City 1745 Arrive East Midlands 1850

this is what has confused me, because both have the same departure and arrival time.

if anyone can help on this id be very thankfull, cheers

Owen

The Real Slim Shady
11th Jan 2008, 10:33
The schedule has changed to 2 services a day: the 0630 departure is now the FR121 returning at 0800 as the FR122.

Suggest you phone the res centre and explain it is the departure time you want, not the specific flight number.

en2r
12th Jan 2008, 12:39
FR Shannon-Dublin seems to be axed after Feb 3rd

cesare.caldi
12th Jan 2008, 21:13
Next week Ryanair press conference at FRL, probably will be annunced new route or FRL will be new italian Ryanair base...

glasgowpik
13th Jan 2008, 09:22
Please Mr Caldi more info on that.
Are you sure about FR's press conference at FRL?(Source reliability?)
Must admit nobody would have thought of a possible base at FRL,as you mentioned in previous posts more likely candidates for FR's next Italian base were TSF,AHO or TRN.

eu01
13th Jan 2008, 11:20
Must admit nobody would have thought of a possible base at FRL, as you mentioned in previous posts more likely candidates for FR's next Italian base were TSF, AHO or TRN.
I wouldn't say "nobody". In fact, in December last year the italian press (take a look (http://www.romagnaoggi.it/showarticle.php?articleID=278633&storico=giorno&section=news/Forli)) did inform about Forli being chosen as a fourth Italian base. My doubts exist mainly due to the fact that the base shell be opened in 2009, not this year. And we are still waiting for some hints about this year's opening(s).

Generally, in my opinion these FR's decisions about the new bases are still too much "deal-driven". No special conditions, no deal. That way, they are neglecting some areas that could give them even better revenue by other means.

cesare.caldi
13th Jan 2008, 12:04
...as you mentioned in previous posts more likely candidates for FR's next Italian base were TSF,AHO or TRN.

TRN have not reach a deal with Ryanair so is not more a candidate city for a base

jaypla
13th Jan 2008, 19:12
Hello,
I have a question.In Germany there are a lot of rumours that FR will open the inner-german route HHN-SXF. Does anybody know if it`true and when it would start?

glasgowpik
14th Jan 2008, 01:25
Thanks Mr Caldi for the clarification on TRN.
Now,after MXP rejecting FR's offer,it seems more viable a possible base at FRL,although TSF has always been more on the cards.

Still waiting more details about the press conference...

anna_list
14th Jan 2008, 08:37
Confirmed in news section of FR website:

SNN - DUB ends on 03/02/08. A slightly unlikely replacement, SNN - PMI starts 16/03/08.

VanBosh
14th Jan 2008, 13:36
SNN - DUB jeez what did it last 3 months. dont think they ve ever cut a route that quick. Must have been a complete dog.

Doubt PMI is tecnically replacing it. It's prob just a PR stunt!

kubik
14th Jan 2008, 13:53
probably there is a press conf. in Poland tomorrow with lots of new destinations. any rumours?

pee
14th Jan 2008, 14:16
They could announce a first base in Poland, finally. In fact, I've been expecting it for a couple of years. But cannot confirm, sorry :hmm:.
SNN - DUB jeez what did it last 3 months. dont think they ve ever cut a route that quick. Must have been a complete dog.
Yeah. Less politics, shows and "kill-the-competition" moves while planning the new routes, more research instead - it could help. And some logic as well. Think Finland. Would'nt Finnish consumers be much more enthusiastic with any sunny destination in Italy, France or Spain than with Liverpool (a flop)? Need no research, just some imagination. Or just come and see our misery weather around November, you'll get it.

HH6702
14th Jan 2008, 14:46
will we see a route from poland to either NCL or DTV?

larshakan
14th Jan 2008, 15:26
LPL was doing ok, wasn't it? They had 66% LF in April so that is alright, would have been good during the summer with that frequency (4/7) perhaps only 3/7 in winter. http://hahn-infos.de/forum/showthread.php?t=8716

I have seen that also TKU have gotten terminal like the one in TMP, any hints on FR going there?

MUFC_fan
14th Jan 2008, 16:22
How can Ryanair say that EZY and EI are operating from 'an out of town' airport?!

I think EZY should head to GRO, BGY, BVA etc. and address the matter of the cities airports!:ok:

aerospace
14th Jan 2008, 16:38
Wroclaw is discusing with Ryanair for a long time, as many others airports such as OPO or BSL

MUFC_fan, BHD is closer to the city centre than BFS, so what's your point?

True Blue
14th Jan 2008, 16:44
The point is FR are well known for landing you about 70 miles from your destination and telling you that you are where you want to be, or thought you were going to be. They are the last to be making this point to anyone.

True blue

aerospace
14th Jan 2008, 17:13
True, but not in Belfast. Belfast is probably one the rare city where you land closer to the city centre with Ryanair than if you take EI or EZY.

So, I agree that's a bit ironical, but for once they have the advantage on EI and EZY, they won't miss the opportunity!

MUFC_fan
14th Jan 2008, 17:34
True, but not in Belfast. Belfast is probably one the rare city where you land closer to the city centre than if you take EI or EZY.

And actually, they were right to state that because we are now evoking it so maybee few people learnt that BHD is closer than BFS...
Well done Ryanair...


You've got to be kidding me? There are three or four airports in Europe that FR serve that are closer than the main airports.

I understand your point that what they are ACTUALLY advertising is that BHD is closer than BFS which is true, but they have some nerve to take this line of attack.

As I say, EZY could pull them apart with this advertisement!

Infact, last time I was in GRO after my FR flight from BLK, I saw an EZY advertisement in the bus depot outside which said 'Fly to Barcelona. Yes. Barcelona.' Which I thought was I wonderful pitch! Don't know if they do this at other FR airports but it is quite a strong campaign which I am surprised GRO management allowed (unless the advertisment boards are independantly owned).

cesare.caldi
14th Jan 2008, 18:36
probably there is a press conf. in Poland tomorrow with lots of new destinations. any rumours?

I've heard about a possible press conference at BLL tomorrow, so new route from a Polish city to BLL?

kubik
14th Jan 2008, 18:46
from BLL to the new FR's base in Poland ;) heh

antoslaw
15th Jan 2008, 08:30
BIRMINGHAM has just been announced 25-th FR base...

glasgowpik
15th Jan 2008, 08:35
And routes to many of the destinations forecast here...

GLENO
15th Jan 2008, 09:01
Nice!!:D:D:D

airhumberside
15th Jan 2008, 09:32
Anyone got a list of frequencies please. FR online timetable playing up.

These routes complement EMA well. Olbia is a new FR destination

pee
15th Jan 2008, 09:53
It seems the Big Boy wants to conquer mostly the territory of the British Islands thus leaving the rest of European continent to others. I mean does he really need FR bases at every British airport (and more congestion, more competition, lower yields)? Yeah, it's certainly good for the passengers, but maybe more global (or pan-European) thinking could bring even better profits for his troops... sorry, for his airline. :rolleyes:

dwlpl
15th Jan 2008, 12:39
With the wonders of satellite TV I watched the Midlands local news.

They are saying that the deal announced today took just 10 days to complete with the based BHX aircraft originally tagged for a Scottish airport (EDI?).

pee
15th Jan 2008, 12:58
the deal announced today took just 10 days to complete with the based BHX aircraft originally tagged for a Scottish airport (EDI)?
Looks true. From the BBC news:
The airline's spokesman Peter Sherrard said the airport had snatched the deal from "under the nose" of another UK airport.

Hollymead
15th Jan 2008, 13:04
That must have cost em !

iflycwl
15th Jan 2008, 13:45
Would Ryan Air ever reconsider Cardiff..................I see they divert in there enough time when there is bad weather at Bristol. Five diversions in the last 3 weeks.

OliWW
15th Jan 2008, 15:07
With Ryanair moving into birmingham do you think there is a possibility that they will say byebye for now to the east midlands base and not say much more about it, by that i meen adding new routes, more planes etc... or can we expect them to keep on expanding until they come huge....?

GayFriendly
15th Jan 2008, 16:04
OliWW - my understanding is that FR looked at BHX as their preference over EMA for a Midlands base but did not get the deal they wanted from BHX so pulled their flights except Dublin and made it very public that they had fallen out with BHX over charges. However I have always believed there is enough demand for FR flights from both EMA and BHX it seems that it has just taken a very long time to get a deal at BHX that suits both parties. I doubt FR will pull out of EMA though, just look at the routes announced from BHX there is very little overlap with those from EMA, I should imagine thats the way it will stay. Interestingly, FR at BHX have also shied away from going head to head with either Baby or Flybe (except Marseilles) perhaps thats part of the deal with BHX therefore keeping everyone happy.

cessnarocket
15th Jan 2008, 16:22
oh dear oh dear a fr737 parked up this morning at the so called lough neagh international airport, some red faces me thinks after yesterdays announcment on the ryans website. :):):):rolleyes:

mikerawsonderby
15th Jan 2008, 19:33
Interesting that the BHX routes have so little overlap with EMA. It's almost as if these were originally planned for EMA (they were certainly on the 'shopping list'), but have now been switched, ending the FR expansion at EMA.

glasgowpik
21st Jan 2008, 04:28
No press conferences this week from FR?

egnxema
21st Jan 2008, 08:23
It will be interesting to see what develops - and in this game, you never know what is round the corner.

With the whole EMA/BHX thing - as a comparison, keep your eyes on MAN, they got a few 'focus' routes at the same time as BHX, and FR are rumoured to want a MAN base. But I don't for one minute think that it will mean a pull out of LPL.

Only a few months ago all the talk was EZY "planning" to up sticks and move down to BHX.

Let's not forget FR also have their new BRS base just down the road from BHX too. - so rather than FR suddenly entering a love-affair with BHX at the expense of EMA, STN or any other cuurent base, it clearly seems that FR are going for total market dominance. Will be quite a claim for the whole UK market to be with-in a 1 hour drive of an FR airport - not there yet, but the way they are going they could be.

:ok:

Powerjet1
23rd Jan 2008, 12:50
Ryan have increased checked-in baggage fees today, from £5 to £6, and airport check-in from £2 to £3.

boyzinblue
23rd Jan 2008, 15:31
Ryanair have also increased the charge for children under 2. Up from 10 Euro to 15 Euro :=
What is the point in boasting that you are a no fuel surcharge airline, but rip the customer off at every other opportunity:ugh:

MUFC_fan
23rd Jan 2008, 16:00
The difference is that with an airline such as AB you may not pay extras for checkin etc. but it is compulsary to pay fuel surcharges.

It is not compulsary to pay the baggage charge or the checkin chargewith FR. You have an option to carry only hand luggae luggage and checkin online which is free.

vkid
23rd Jan 2008, 16:08
and its a total breeze when you have carry on and check in online..easiest way to travel if you can. Can totally see the logic..If you want it cheap..travel light and plan by checking in before you leave home and print your boarding pass

eu01
23rd Jan 2008, 16:37
If you want it cheap..travel light and plan by checking in before you leave home and print your boarding pass
Maybe. But under some conditions. Firstly, FR should allow printing passengers' boarding passes for the return trip in advance (at home, before the departure). Is it a pleasure having to search an internet cafe with printing abilities at the destination? I doubt it.

MUFC_fan
23rd Jan 2008, 17:35
I totally agree. Used the BLK-STN and MAN-DUB many times with FR and when the online check-in was made available it was a god send! An extra hour in the sack!:ok:

You can print both boarding cards off when printing the outbound. I did it when on one of my GRO flights when I returned 5 days after departure. I printed the night before for both BLK-GRO and GRO-BLK.

Is there a limit to how far in advance you can print the return - say if you are away for a week or 2?

eu01
23rd Jan 2008, 18:18
Some people (like myself) prefer somewhat more complicated itineraries, kind of "triangles" A-B-C-A (returning to the departure airport from an other place than the original destination while traveling to more than one place during one trip). Printing all the boarding cards would not succeed.

nef
23rd Jan 2008, 19:29
Rumours of a base announcement at EDI soon. Maybe EDI was not the Scottish airport that lost out to BHX......Any suggestions?

ryanair1
24th Jan 2008, 07:16
bookings on bournemouth new routes pretty surprising... means the early placing of a second aircraft is likely to take place before Sep 08. Madrid & Shannon ear-marked for a summer seasonal return.

take-off
24th Jan 2008, 08:51
It beats me why people complain about all the charges???? If your on the internet checking/booking ryanair, why arn't they checking other website/airlines before pressing the confirm button with ryan??? With the wonders of the t'internet, theres this little thing they can do called a search!!!!:ugh::ugh::ugh: Really cant understand why book and then complain afterwards that it wasnt as cheap as they thought ?, if poss I always check a few differnt airlines, I usually start with ryan first as benchmark price, then check others, i go as far as i can without pressin confirm, theres plenty of comparison sites to choose from too, they maybe not perfect but at least they give you rough idea, even buying a flight off some of the charters can work out just as good value, at least you have a better chance of gettin there should a problem occur. People use the search button!!! Im not anti ryanair there not my fave, but if your giving flights away for next to nothing they have to make their money somewhere,personally i hate all the charges they make, so use them as little as possible, my choice, but these days it would seem what ryan does, everyone else follows eventually.

DSA-DUB
24th Jan 2008, 11:47
I did that and now going on the ferry to Ireland.

archstan
24th Jan 2008, 15:36
Ryanair1,

Where you say Madrid & Shannon ear-marked for a summer seasonal return do you mean the direct Madrid - Shannon route or flights from Bournemouth ?

The Madrid - Shannon route disappeared without any announcement at the end of october. On the Shannon website it lists it as a seasonal route but so far there are no flights bookable on Ryanair's site.

en2r
24th Jan 2008, 15:41
He means Bournemouth to Shannon & Madrid. Shannon-Madrid was axed. The announcement was on the Spanish Ryanair site, but wasn't on the Irish Ryanair site

FlyCorkInternational
24th Jan 2008, 17:21
In the booking engine, Bristol has appeared on the dropdown menu of destinations from Cork. However no schedules appear to have been loaded yet !

ryan2000
24th Jan 2008, 18:11
Only a once off for the Heineken Cup. Aer Arann can breath easily for another while.

toledoashley
24th Jan 2008, 18:53
There are plenty of airports which could sustain a Ryanair base: Teesside or Doncaster / Edinburgh / Aberdeen / Treviso / Forli / Trapani / Wroclaw / Oslo Torp / Reus / Marrakech? / Beauvais / Salzburg / Bratislava / Novi Sad

Would love to see an evening frequency out of Luton to Rome. A reintroduction of Treviso would be good.

DSA-DUB
24th Jan 2008, 20:11
I hope they choose DSA as a base but i'd say that'll be unlikey.
With Doncaster being so close to EMA, but you never know.

Squark7000
25th Jan 2008, 06:41
Yes, DSA is close to East Midlands, but so is Birmingham and did that stop FR from setting up a base there.
You also have to look at how many overnight parking stands are available in the East Midlands area against how many routes FR want to operate. Also two (or three) bases close to each other helping in playing off each airport against each other when charges are negotiated.
Will DSA happen? No idea.

aerospace
25th Jan 2008, 09:22
Ryanair new charges = new evidence there yield will be very very low for the 2nd half year 2007... Bad news for the shareholders...

Of course, they are rubbish when they said that it is to encourage free on-line check-in :ugh: The people which usually don't need to check-in at the airport are business travelers, but they are not ryanair main targets, and they don't need an increase of these charges to know it exists. These charges will obviously increase the charges for families that are OBLIGED to check-in at the airport.

Increasing charges has a direct incidence on the bottom line as it is a very easy way to generate pure margin. No need for long studies or brain (as always), just be brutal! And these fees are of course never refund by Ryanair (in case of cancelation, no shows etc)... Only good points for them, and bad points for passengers.

According to me, it just shows that the company is currently in a bad shape and quiet "vulnerable" (what is doing easyJet???) with all their new crap bases (MAD, MRS, BRE, BHD, BOH)

sam dilly
25th Jan 2008, 13:37
Ryanair as always say no fuel surcharges,but i have just noted on their website 2 huge price increase with immediate effect
checking in a bag goes up by 20% to £6.00
airport check in goes up a massive 50 % from £2 to £3.00
if that isnt a hidden fuel surcharge then what is ??:}:ugh:

ESCNI
25th Jan 2008, 14:38
Mind you, both of those surcharges are possibly avoidable whereas a fuel surcharge definitely isn't.

The Real Slim Shady
25th Jan 2008, 22:46
aerospace said:

According to me, it just shows that the company is currently in a bad shape and quiet "vulnerable"

I hardly think that an airline making 300+million Euros profit and with 2 billion + euros in the bank is in bad shape!!

johnnychips
26th Jan 2008, 02:08
It always surprises me that the media scream at Ryanair about all these extra 'hidden' charges for luggage, checking in, etc.

You go through the booking process on the net, decide whether you have hold baggage, and/or want fast check in, decline or accept the insurance and then look at the total price. If you like the price, you confirm it, if you don't you look up other airways or revise your holiday plans. :bored:

virginblue
26th Jan 2008, 11:58
The point is that one needs to spend quite some time to arrive at the actual price rather than hitting a few buttons on the initial screen and having the real fare popping up. It can be quite tiring to check all different websites to find out comparative figures if they make it that troublesome to receive a fare quote.


That said, the recent increase in fees more than likely has to do with preparations to bow to EU pressure and change the way how fares are displayed on Ryanair's website. EU requires that the actual "fare" is shown early in the booking process, so Ryanair now tries to raise the fees for "voluntary extras" as the EU cannot demand them to be included in the "fare" (as not everybody will need/buy it). that said, I expect Ryanair to introduce even more such "extra" that will allow to make the "fare" appear very low.

JulietNovemberPapa
26th Jan 2008, 13:58
According to me, it just shows that the company is currently in a bad shape and quiet "vulnerable" (what is doing easyJet???) with all their new crap bases (MAD, MRS, BRE, BHD, BOH)

According to me, you have no idea what you´re talking about.


You go through the booking process on the net, decide whether you have hold baggage, and/or want fast check in, decline or accept the insurance and then look at the total price. If you like the price, you confirm it, if you don't you look up other airways or revise your holiday plans.


Probably the best-ever reply on PPRuNe.

aerospace
26th Jan 2008, 16:31
Quote:
According to me, it just shows that the company is currently in a bad shape and quiet "vulnerable" (what is doing easyJet???) with all their new crap bases (MAD, MRS, BRE, BHD, BOH)


According to me, you have no idea what you´re talking about.


Saying that MAD, MRS, BRE, BHD and BOH are terrible bases show that I have a better idea than you of what I am talking about ;-)


I hardly think that an airline making 300+million Euros profit and with 2 billion + euros in the bank is in bad shape!!

I hardly think that a company that lost 40% of its share prices in one year is in a very good form ;-) You're right, they are still a big cash-maker, but the second half 2007 was very bad, and will affect their financial year results



You go through the booking process on the net, decide whether you have hold baggage, and/or want fast check in, decline or accept the insurance and then look at the total price. If you like the price, you confirm it, if you don't you look up other airways or revise your holiday plans.



Totally agree. But they are not obliged to say their usual bull**** that it is for encouraging people to check-in. It's only to increase easily their revenue because of the drop of their yield, that's it.

JulietNovemberPapa
26th Jan 2008, 17:20
Saying that MAD, MRS, BRE, BHD and BOH are terrible bases show that I have a better idea than you of what I am talking about ;-)


Of course! I suppose that´s why you give sweeping comments - the vast majority with clearly some agenda toward Ryanair - with no evidence to back-up what you claim. Thus, why should we believe you? (I could, after all, claim to be Barack Obama.) So, give us your sources, and we´ll consider them.

PBD 1
26th Jan 2008, 20:31
True or false anyone... 6 or 7 B777 lined up in the desert waiting for blue and yellow livery?

cesare.caldi
26th Jan 2008, 21:00
True or false anyone... 6 or 7 B777 lined up in the desert waiting for blue and yellow livery? What is the source of this news?

Jippie
26th Jan 2008, 22:36
To be honest, I spoke to a Ryanair captain half a year ago and he said they had ordered 6 777s. Time will tell.

But I don't think you can find 6 777s in the desert. But there are 5 Unidentified777 orders from march last year

cesare.caldi
30th Jan 2008, 17:21
Ryanair new route: Dusseldorf, Weeze (NRN) (http://www.theairdb.com/airport/NRN.html) to Saarmelleek, Balaton (SOB) (http://www.theairdb.com/airport/SOB.html) 2x week from 2 April

840
30th Jan 2008, 18:11
Presumably an order as large as six 777s would have to go for shareholder approval and if the order was six months ago, I would have expected that to come up by now.

MAN777
30th Jan 2008, 18:24
Hows this for a superb bit of free advertising, having been told to withdraw the schoolgirl advert by the ASA national newspapers (3.5 million readers) Ryanair refuses and then the BBC gets hold of it and gives the item a prime time news slot with the advert plastered all over the screen. Absolute genius !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7216926.stm

eu01
30th Jan 2008, 18:57
Just ban Britney Spears as well! :}

Viewedfromabove
30th Jan 2008, 21:21
St. Trinians with MO'L in the role of Flash Harry? Now there's type casting!

ORAC
31st Jan 2008, 11:00
This one may not work out so cheap for the "free" advertising...

BBC: Sarkozy sues Ryanair over advert (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7219499.stm)

French President Nicolas Sarkozy and his girlfriend Carla Bruni are suing low-cost airline Ryanair over a picture of the couple it used in an advert.

The photo shows a thought bubble coming from Ms Bruni, saying: "With Ryanair, all my family can attend my wedding." The former model is seeking 500,000 euros ($743,000; £373,000) - the amount she says her photo normally costs.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44394000/jpg/_44394047_advert_afp_203body.jpg

Ryanair has apologised for using the couple's image without their consent, but insists it meant no offence. "It was a humorous comment on a matter of great public interest," a Ryanair spokeswoman in Dublin told Reuters news agency.

The picture features in an ad for 100,000 cut-price fares, published on Monday by the daily Le Parisien.

Mr Sarkozy, 53, and Ms Bruni, 40, are filing separate suits against the Irish airline. The couple's lawyer, Thierry Herzog, is quoted by AFP news agency as saying her damage claim was based on the fact that "the average cost for using her image for visual advertising on French territory was in the region of 500,000 euros".

Mr Sarkozy is seeking a symbolic one euro in damages.

Both cases are being heard in a Paris court on Thursday.

Viewedfromabove
31st Jan 2008, 15:39
Will that be one Euro plus 39 Euros taxes and charges?

mikerawsonderby
31st Jan 2008, 18:33
Brilliant. Thanks for cheering me up after such a s*** day.

SkinHeadFlyer
31st Jan 2008, 18:35
I quote from the Ryanair News section (at 19:30 on 31/01/2008)....

Ryanair’s lawyers will also make a similar offer to Ms Bruni, offering damages of €1 and a contribution of €5,000 to any charity of Mr Bruni’s choice. Ryanair will not however agree to any totally unjustified payment of €500,000 to Ms Bruni, who has engaged in an open, widely publicised and internationally reported relationship with President Sarkozy.

End quote

So what has this Mr Bruni got to do with it all? Is this an ex-husband, brother or father of Ms Bruni? ;)

Maybe it's another "Ryanair Typo", just like leaving off the world "from" when they advertise their fares!

Anyway, €10,002.00 is hardly a large amount considering all the secondary publicity this has given Ryanair. I think a donation of nearer €50,000 would be nearer the mark (excluding "optional" legal fees, french VAT, taxes, etc).

EGCA
2nd Feb 2008, 15:20
My daughter flew to Germany from Stansted yesterday with Ryanair.

Her hand luggage was searched at Stansted and a small jar of Marmite confiscated on the basis that it was a "liquid".

Anyone else consider Marmite to be a liquid? The jar I have shows the product to be a thick paste.

(For those outside the UK "Marmite" is a long-established vegetarian food spead made from yeast products.It is dark brown and very thick.)

When airline security confiscates something from a passenger, what happens to that confiscated item?

EGCA

JulietNovemberPapa
2nd Feb 2008, 15:41
Surely her bag was searched by AIRPORT security? In which case, Ryanair would not be involved.

Charlie Roy
3rd Feb 2008, 01:36
I read on another forum that Ryanair will announce an additional aircraft and 5 new routes for Charleroi in February.

Anyone any info?

Mr.Brown
3rd Feb 2008, 08:55
Ryanair and Marmite

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My daughter flew to Germany from Stansted yesterday with Ryanair.

Her hand luggage was searched at Stansted and a small jar of Marmite confiscated on the basis that it was a "liquid".

Anyone else consider Marmite to be a liquid? The jar I have shows the product to be a thick paste.

(For those outside the UK "Marmite" is a long-established vegetarian food spead made from yeast products.It is dark brown and very thick.)

When airline security confiscates something from a passenger, what happens to that confiscated item?

EGCA/
I don't think that had anything to do with the airline, that would be airprort security. Personally I would not consider it to be a liquid but the regulations ( http://www.dft.gov.uk/transportforyou/airtravel/airportsecurity/requirements )also say paste up to 100ml (100g) only....

egnxema
3rd Feb 2008, 20:21
EGCA

The item was "voluntarily abbandoned" at BAA Security. (Its voluntary, as in you don't have to give it up, but if you choose not to, the airport chooses to not allow you to enter the Restricted Zone)

UK Government regs prohibit liquids, creams and gels - basically anything runny, gooie or sticky, unless in a container less than 100ml.

These items are all destroyed.

Powerjet1
4th Feb 2008, 06:29
Ryanair reporting Q3 profits down 27% to 35m euros. Traffic growth up 21%. Load Factor for Jan 08 down 2% to 69%.

thirtysomething
4th Feb 2008, 08:47
Ryanair warns of perfect storm



Shares in Ryanair crashed 13.5% in early morning trade in Dublin after it reported a 27% drop in third quarter net profits. The airline warned that poor market conditions meant profits may fall in its next fiscal year.
Ryanair said its underlying net profit in the three months to end December fell by 27% to €35m from €48m the same time the previous year as average winter fares fell almost 5%.


The net profit figure excludes a one-off gain of €12.1m from the sale of five Boeing 737-800 aircraft.


With oil prices at $90 a barrel and fear of recession in the UK and many other European economies, the current outlook for the coming fiscal year is poor,' Ryanair said. 'There is now a significant chance that profits may decline next year,' it added. Ryanair said its passenger traffic grew by 21% to 12.4 million in the three month period, while revenues rose by 15% to €569m. Yields fell by 4%. The airline's ancillary revenues grew by 30%

Ancillary penetration continues to increase, and we are on target to achieve our ancillary sales objective of 20% of revenues over the next three years,' commented Ryanair's CEO Michael O'Leary. Ryanair repeated its guidance of net profit growth of 17.5% to approximately €470m for the full fiscal year 2007-2008.
'At this time it is too early to make any accurate forecasts in such volatile markets for 2008/2009,' Mr O'Leary said. 'However, with oil prices at $90 a barrel and fears of recession in the UK and many other European economies, the current outlook for the year is poor'.
He said that the airline remains essentially unhedged for next year. The airline's CEO says that current oil prices will impose significantly higher costs during a year when it expands capacity by almost 20%.
The airline's earnings may also be impacted by the recent weakness of sterling, which accounts for a significant proportion of Ryanair's revenues,' Mr O'Leary stated.
'The European airline sector is presently facing one of these cyclical downturns, with the possibility of a 'perfect storm' of higher oil prices, poor consumer demand, weaker sterling and higher costs at unchecked monopoly airports,' the Ryanair boss said.
'While it is impossible to accurately forecast full year fuel prices and yields this far in advance, there is now a significant chance that profits may decline next year,' Mr O'Leary cautioned.
'At our most optimistic, a combination of flat yields and $75 oil would see profits grow by 6% to approximately €500m, but at our most conservative, if forward oil prices remain at $85, and consumer sentiment/sterling weakness leads to a 5% reduction in yields, then profits in the coming year could fall by as much as 50% to as low as €235m (excluding profits from aircraft disposals),' Mr O'Leary predicted.
He said the airline hopes to provide a more informed update on guidance with the release of full year results in June.
Ryanair also said it planned to spend up to €200m buying back shares which, based on its current share price, would equate to 3% of the company's share capital.
Shares in the airline were down 48 cent to €3.11 in Dublin early this morning - a fall of 13.5%.


When he talks about disposals, does he mean further to the five 738´s he had already sold ?

J Lieber
4th Feb 2008, 08:59
Its my understanding that a further 20 aircraft are to be sold this year, all going to China. The fleet however is still expanding rapidly with a continual flow of new aircraft arriving from Seattle.

eagle21
4th Feb 2008, 09:12
I hope this airline never goes bankrupt because believe me that would be a big mess, there is no way anybody will stick together when things start going wrong for Ryanair.

pee
4th Feb 2008, 09:12
How the markets are reacting?Shares in Ryanair fell 13pc in early trading, down at €3.13 as Dublin-based Goodbody Stockbrokers said that the statement "rang alarm bells".

"With oil prices at $90 a barrel and fear of recession in the UK and many other European economies, the current outlook for the coming fiscal year is poor," said Mr O'Leary.

"The European airline sector is presently facing one of these cyclical downturns, with possibility of a perfect storm of higher oil prices, poor consumer demand, weaker sterling and higher costs at unchecked monopoly airports," he added.
Weaker sterling? Poor demand? So why you keep adding UK bases like Bournemouth for instance? Why do you want to dominate the UK and the Republic of Ireland markets and by doing so only lowering the yields there? Just try to have a bit broader look. You could find many places in Europe where the markets are much less saturated than there. The market I know the best is a Finnish one. You have one great advantage in Finland: you are the only one low-cost carrier that counts here. Did you take profits having such a profitable position? Not at all. In spite of excellent LF's in Germany you just... reduced some flights. There you have millions of people looking for ANY amount of sun to warm them a bit during pretty harsh winters. How many destinations did you provide them in the Southern Italy, France or Spain? Not a SINGLE one. There are millions of Russians in St. Petersburg near the Finnish border. Did you use the opportunity? Not at all. And these are only examples from Finland. You'll find more such opportunities in other countries as well. But you prefer to keep fighting your dominance war in the British Isles. Just continue, maybe you'll win. But, as they say, the alarm bells are ringing. Quite loudly right now.

Topslide6
4th Feb 2008, 09:20
Who the hell said anything about them going bankrupt?! :rolleyes:

eagle21
4th Feb 2008, 09:41
Nobody said it will happen, you may breathe again!

I was just stating that in the case it should happen it would be very quick since nobody would stick together. That's all.


And by they way do you remember how tha Titanic would never sink...

TwinAisle
4th Feb 2008, 09:42
Must be that time of year again...

Round about the end of January for the last x years, Ryanair have started to sound like the town crier in Pompeii.

Usually something along the lines of "bloodbath for the low costs, they must merge or fail", "fuel prices ghastly, we won't even break even" with an added dash of "dreadful economic outlook ahead".

The shares take a temporary hit. Then, year after year, Ryanair comes in with numbers ahead of market expectations. Share price goes up again....

As for their results - add back in the profit from the disposal of the 738s they sold last quarter, and hey presto, back on the mark.

Must make you pots if you are a shareholder....

Or am I a cynic?

TA

call100
4th Feb 2008, 10:25
How come he's all doom and gloom. The share prices fall. He then says they are going to buy a load back. Presumably at the new bargain price.;)

whiskeyflyer
4th Feb 2008, 10:38
QUOTE
The net profit figure excludes a one-off gain of €12.1m from the sale of five Boeing 737-800 aircraft.
QUOTE

That must be a misprint. What he do...... sell them without engines?

TwinAisle
4th Feb 2008, 10:41
No misprint. The gain will be the difference between what he paid for them (or their book value) and what he sold them for.

TA

whiskeyflyer
4th Feb 2008, 11:00
thanks for that
you can see i am not an accoutant

aerospace
4th Feb 2008, 11:05
Ryanair new charges = new evidence there yield will be very very low for the 2nd half year 2007... Bad news for the shareholders...

Of course, they are rubbish when they said that it is to encourage free on-line check-in :ugh:

Increasing charges has a direct incidence on the bottom line as it is a very easy way to generate pure margin. No need for long studies or brain (as always), just be brutal!

According to me, it just shows that the company is currently in a bad shape and quiet "vulnerable" (what is doing easyJet???) with all their new crap bases (MAD, MRS, BRE, BHD, BOH)


My post one week ago...
Some answers were that the company was in a good shape...
Shareholders who believed me would have save lots of money!
All there new bases are crap. Further, it is highly probable they will be condemned again for illegal state aid. They are coming in a time of optimization and I really think that they don't have the right people to manage it properly...

aerospace
4th Feb 2008, 11:09
Weaker sterling? Poor demand? So why you keep adding UK bases like Bournemouth for instance? Why do you want to dominate the UK and the Republic of Ireland markets and by doing so only lowering the yields there?



100% agree with you
No brain is a possible answer :\

HurnPax
4th Feb 2008, 11:42
Aerospace - please justify your continued assertion that Bournemouth is a "crap" base for Ryanair.

Ryanair have operated out of BOH for over 10 years and have a loyal existing customer base. The catchment area is wide stretching at least as far east as Portsmouth, north to Winchester and west to Exeter. This encompasses one of the wealthiest areas in the country outside of Greater London and possibly the Cheshire moneybelt. Many people with good disposable incomes for short leisure breaks, second homes abroad and a smaller market of potential business travellers.

It is a 2.5 hour journey to the nearest serious low cost alternative LGW with the only competition being the relatively expensive Flybe from Exeter and Southampton. Thomsonfly are allegedly unlikely to be operating a scheduled service from Bournemouth after this summer and Wizzair and Easy operate only a handful of routes between them so the opportunities are there for route expansion.

Yes there may have been more potentially lucrative bases further afield than BOH but Bournemouth is a solid and profitable airport for Ryanair and a realistic expansion of maybe 2 based aircraft with well chosen routes will always do well.

You can tell from my username I'm biased but tell me why Bournemouth is "crap" again? :confused:

thirtysomething
4th Feb 2008, 12:15
With the change in rate from the pound to the euro only set to get worse ( Futures in the european markets are betting heavily around 1 GBP being 1.15 euros by year end ) it puts easyjet in the driving seat. I think also with the data from the US suggesting the recessions is getting softer than expected and OPEC not increasing output , fuel prices will stay high. The wind is changing. As an investor ill be putting the money on easyjet. I was curios more about the notion of fleet disposal. Thanks.

nospeedrestriction9
4th Feb 2008, 12:41
Ryanair is a victim of they're own success. They have lowered the costs of air travel, taken on possibly every airline in the UK and Europe and now the low cost bubble is beginning to burst.

There is a plateau of growth for everything expansion wise and it cannot keep happening. Lower yields mean that they must slow down expansion and route duplication until they can achieve higher yields.

BUT, EUR35M is still a profit!

Sobelena
4th Feb 2008, 12:43
The only positive outcome of an eventual RYR demise would be that sanity might return to the airline business :E

chris-squire
4th Feb 2008, 12:50
Just wanted to comment on the 12.1m euro Net Profit on Disposal of 5 aircraft! Whilst it's difficult as I don't know what method and % depn RYR apply to their fixed assets, to make 2.42m euro profit on disposal per aircraft I would think they write off the bulk costs of their assets pretty quickly. With that in mind I wouldn't be worried about them. They do have to keep the NBV of their assets in check as overstating their balance sheet at year end can get them (and their accountants) into alot of trouble! The time to become concerned is when they start making massive losses on disposal which would point to them trying to artificailly sustain their share price for as long as possible by Overstating their assets and reducing the depn that gets put through the books so as to increase profit.

I know their are loads of other aspects to consider and we won't know the actual state of their accounts in detail until they are published in full in 2 years time. But...for the time being my point is DON'T worry about RYR, they ain't going anywhere and their finances indicate that. The disposal of assets doesn't neccisarily mean that they're in trouble and trust me, they will have enough retained profit to call up for some years to come before they run out of money!

Hope this serves to restore some confidence but only time will tell whats really going on.

Cheers

CS :ok:

Accountant about to turn Student Pilot

Charlie Roy
4th Feb 2008, 12:51
BUT, EUR35M is still a profit!

Exactly, a profit is a profit is a profit :cool:

Devonair
4th Feb 2008, 12:59
Quote: 'The catchment area is wide stretching at least as far east as Portsmouth, north to Winchester and west to Exeter. This encompasses one of the wealthiest areas in the country outside of Greater London and possibly the Cheshire moneybelt. Many people with good disposable incomes for short leisure breaks, second homes abroad and a smaller market of potential business travellers.'

Most people I know in Devon would much rather drive to BRS. The road to BOH from the west is dire.

GayFriendly
4th Feb 2008, 13:16
Haven't read this thread for a while - good to read some lively comments!

Pee - Yes I understand your Finnish frustrations but it is a well known fact that FR will only fly from airports where a deal can be brokered that totally suits FR....if the price ain't right theres no way they will fly whatever the unserved market potential. Surely FR must have at least looked at Finland if it is that badly served by flights??

Aerospace - agreed FR are in for a tough time, aggressive expansion is now being subjected to higher than ever oil costs and the real possibility of a UK recession. First thing to go in the annual family budget well it aint gonna be the mortgage now is it more likely the mini break with FR to some Euro-unknownville...........but linked to my comments above all the 'crap' bases you mentioned have no doubt pretty much let in FR for free or at least hugely reduced fees for at least a few years in order to get flights to destinations no other airline would touch with a bargepole - so thats why they are flying from BOH etc. Having turned in a profit I still think they have the coffers to survive for a lot longer yet. But whether they continue to fly routes from nowhere to nowhere thats another story....

eagle21
4th Feb 2008, 13:45
What's your idea of sanity? Dinosaur flag carriers with bloated costs charging high fares? Like Sabena, for example?


Sanity and Ryanair just don't go together I'm afraid.

Having worked for them I can say that it is certainly a disgraceful airline and it will have to change or dissapear in the mid term future.

There is no decency anywhere to be seen in Ryanair's managment. I feel sorry for those employees that can't afford to leave as quickly as they would like to but I feel even more sorrow for those employees which don't know any better and defend Ryanair's piracy. How blind...!

blablablafly
4th Feb 2008, 13:47
I would think they write off the bulk costs of their assets pretty quickly. What if you have them in the books for the deeply discounted purchase price that you get new aircraft for which is much lower than the market value of the asset? :confused:

HurnPax
4th Feb 2008, 13:59
Devonair - agreed I was probably stretching the point including Exeter in the catchment area as the transport links are awful to the west of Bournemouth, far better links exist to the north and east. You are correct in pointing out that BRS is a better option for most of Devon.

However the fact that BRS takes almost as long to get to as LGW from the Dorset & West Hants conurbations is my point in arguing that there is untapped demand from BOH that Ryanair will hopefully take advantage of.

Sobelena
4th Feb 2008, 14:04
I don't know why you want to drag the defunct SABENA into this, but no Dysag, I have no problem with locos as such. There are some good ones out there. RYR however, has brought the service element of the industry to an all time critically low, and for me, unacceptable level.

chris-squire
4th Feb 2008, 14:09
Nothing wrong with understating your assets. If they have an aircraft on their books at 40m cost but the actual market value is 45m then there isn't an issue is there. RYR are quid's in and will make a 5m profit on disposal if they sell it. This is my point. The time to worry as an investor is when a company starts using a depn policy that writes off the asset over an unrealistically long period to reduce the annual hit on their P & L and thus resulting in an artificially high profit figure. The first tell tell sign of this would be when a PLC publishes its EOY accounts (which it is legally bound to do) and all of a sudden it turns out that the company has disposed off some assets in the year and made a massive loss on disposal. Infact, the tax man will then come knocking to ask whats been going on. Because companies are taxed on profit HMRC monitors yearly trends and would want to know why they are all of a sudden making such a big loss.

saccade
4th Feb 2008, 14:23
Fuel accounts for approx 39% of Ryanairs ticket price at the current hedged price of $65. If the oil price continues to climb this figure can easily hit 75-80%. This situation is not a 'cyclical downturn', it might well be the first sign of a new era introduced by peak oil.

egnxema
4th Feb 2008, 15:22
nospeedrestriction9 "and now the low cost bubble is beginning to burst."

What do people mean when they say this?

The economy is reportedly on the slow down. It has nothing to do with Low Cost bubbles.

In a slowing economy all airline sectors will see a slow down in sales. Some airlines will go bankcrupt.

This has always happened, long before Southwest or Ryanair or even Sir Freddie came up with the "Low Cost" concept.

What is this "bubble" that Low Cost operators are supposedly in anyway?:rolleyes:

TwinAisle
4th Feb 2008, 15:23
Well, well, well....

"The directors have decided, in the best interests of the company and its shareholders as a whole, to undertake a second buyback programme of up to €200m. At the current market price of €3.60 this equates to a buyback of approx. 3% of the company’s issued share capital." (Ryanair.com)

A nice saving of €30m then.....

pee
4th Feb 2008, 15:25
Yes I understand your Finnish frustrations
Frustrations? At first, very spontaneously, I wanted to deny. I have no frustrations, no way. Being a well-paid guy, I do not need any lcc, no Ryanair or nobody else, to fulfill my needs. But after a while of pondering, I have to agree with you. Yes, I am somewhat frustrated indeed. Backing up - since many years - the inexpensive means of public transportation (in general, including flying of course), I have cheered the development of a new phenomenon, the emerging of low-cost carriers with O'Leary as a forerunner in Europe, no matter how harsh his methods might have been. He succeeded, and no-one can deny it. But now we see his strategy being watered by his LOCAL ambitions. To conquer UK/Ireland first, regardless of how big the opportunities elsewhere could be. They are doing so despite the fact that their tickets on some routes are being sold very cheaply just to get some punters interested a little bit more.
On the other side, I know the Finnish people; how disbelieving, skeptic and slow to react we are. A few low-cost (and alike) carriers have already tried to start here: Germanwings, Sterling, Clickair, Volare. And they had to retreat pretty soon. As weird as it could be, so far only FR has been able to break this mistrust towards "cheap fliers" (especially foreign ones). Remember the start period some years ago? It was so difficult to fill planes even on the Stockholm route, it had to be discontinued. Nowadays however Ryanair flights to Germany, STN, DUB, BGY are having very good load factors. Now when O'Leary's firm broke this skepticism, people have really started to expect some new destinations, became more excited and what? Nothing happened. No development at all. MOL prefers rather to keep some routes elsewhere with LF's below 40%(!!!) selling them for cents with obvious losses, but fails to recognize the chances further away from his home castle. It is really disappointing, and in this context shouldn't I be frustrated a bit?

chris-squire
4th Feb 2008, 15:33
Well done Michael O'Leary! :D

I now await news of a large order of new 737's to respark investor confidence and shove the share prices back up and make 30m or more.

This man didn't become a millionaire by being silly did he! :ok: