Norwegian Eurofighter Typhoon

[Alex_Ford]

Does anybody know what/which squadron is/are due to receive the Eurofighter Typhoon in the Norwegian Air Force please?

Many thanks

Alex Ford

[RichardIC]

Yes, none of them. Norway's still participating ni the JSF programme.

[Alex_Ford]

Ah! That is why I cannot find out that info then! Am I mistaken or were Norway looking at Typhoon in the past?

Thanks very much for your prompt reply.

Alex Ford

[RichardIC]

Norway, along with most other partners, were (and probably still are) seriously unhappy about issues surrounding industrial participation and intellectual property rights. They had threatened to pull out of the programme, but are still hanging in there.

[hobie]

pop

Norway looking at Typhoon

into Google and you will find a bit of background ......

[Alex_Ford]

Thanks for the replies. So to sum it up is it fair to say that Norway is still in JSF (although unhappy) but is also looking at Typhoon?

Thanks

Alex Ford

[Lazer-Hound]

No, it's fair to say that JSF is decades ahead of Typhoon technologically (stealth, AESA, etc) and that all the participants flirted with Typhoon/Rafale/Grippen in an attempt to get a better deal out of LockMart but none were really interested in anything other than staying in JSF.

[airsound]

And it's also fair to say, Lazer-Hund, that JSF is a different order of cost to Typhoon. Also, as far as I know, even the USAF is not expecting its first delivery until 2009. So when it'll actually get into op service with any of the other partners is anyone's guess. Whereas Typhoon is on squadrons as we speak.....

airsound

[Lazer-Hound]

And it's also fair to say, Lazer-Hund, that JSF is a different order of cost to Typhoon. Also, as far as I know, even the USAF is not expecting its first delivery until 2009. So when it'll actually get into op service with any of the other partners is anyone's guess. Whereas Typhoon is on squadrons as we speak.....

Yes, and with a full range of weapons, comprehensive air-to-ground capability and AESA! Or maybe not....

In fact in the air to ground role Typhoon remains inferior to the upgraded F16s fielded by most of the European JSF participants.

[LowObservable]

There is a real competition in Norway that they aim to wrap up in 2008.
The JSF promises great things, but

like every non-PowerPoint aircraft in the world: it will not do everything better than every other aircraft;
unlike Typhoon its manufacturers cannot offer a fixed price;
and we are only halfway through JSF development, with no production-representative aircraft due to fly until next year and none of the mission systems flying.

These issues also explain why the Ozzies are doing what they are doing.

[airsound]

merely suggesting, Lazer, that the two things are not really comparable.

Also noting that the RAF, for instance, is not expecting any JSF till 2012 at the earliest.

airsound

[dum_my]

If it wanted to, Norway could afford to buy both JSF and Typhoon out of petty cash. Today.

It invests much of its oil revenue in a Government Pension Fund (aka Oil Fund). During the last 3 months of 2006, the increase in value of this fund was £66 million per day.

Meanwhile, the UK government can afford...

[Alex_Ford]

OK Changing tack some what. Does anybody know what Austrian squadron and airbase the Austrian Typhoons are due to serve with/be based at please?

Thanks

Alex Ford

[Tourist]

dummy.
Are you seriously suggesting that Norway has more money than the UK?

I think you'll find that the UK has a lot more money, just a lack of will to spend it.

[A2QFI]

Norway probably has more disposable government money than UK. This is because they aren't funding any b:mad: Y Olympic nonsense and harbouring thousands of illegal immigrants who can't be or aren't deported and that is just for a starter!

[High_lander]

The Norwigians have not agreed to buy it.

They, like the UK have signed an MoU. This is not binding to the degree that they will buy it.

Signing the MoU is not a commitment to purchase the JSF, Norway says, and it will maintain competition between the F-35, Eurofighter Typhoon and Saab Gripen until making a decision in 2008.

Seems a way to secure jobs. Risky though.


Kongsberg has signed long-term framework agreements to produce leading edges, fuselage components and other composite parts for the F-35, conditional on Norway buying the F-35, and on the Oslo government giving the company a guarantee to cover the risk of building a new composites plant.


See Flight International article (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/01/30/211770/oslos-delay-tactic-wins-jsf-battle.html) 30/01/07

[Rigex]

A F

Zeltweg is the future base for Typhoon, don't know the Sqdn no.

[Alex_Ford]

Hi Rigex- Many thanks for your reply.

Alex Ford

[Jackonicko]

Austria:

After delivery the fighters will be based with Uberwachungsgeschwader (surveillance wing) at at Zeltweg, Styria, and will be armed with the same air-to-air weapons as German aircraft, with IRIS-T, AMRAAM and the gun, and with AIM-9P as an additional option. The Austrian Air Force is expected to start operational flying on 1 July 2008.

[Alex_Ford]

Jackonicko - Excellent - many thanks for that information.

Alex Ford