ID pass limitations

[j2wo]

*Feel free mods, to move this to a more relevant forum was unsure which to place it in!

I am going through the process of gaining an ID pass for a BAA airport which I need to go airside etc. etc.

I was just wondering what the limitations on it were like would I be able to go across the airport and visit the control tower if I wished?

Grateful for any replies :)

[Dude~]

ID passes are to enable you to perform your job. If your job involves wondering over to the tower then fine, but if your job is flying planes then don't be surprised if you get taken in for questioning if security ask you what you are doing wandering around an airport. You are certainly not allowed to use an airside pass when not working.

[j2wo]

Thank you for writing back Dude~,

Please can I ask you another question about the whole process of applying and what is needed to get accepted, I assume you work at a BAA airport as this is the sort of airport ID I am talking about?

I'm 16 (next month) and my need for a pass would be for a part time job I am hoping to get which is airside.

I understand what I need like NI no., CRC/CTC disclosures and references but I am unsure on the references part.

BAA say that 2, 5 year references are required, minimum.
One has to cover the 5 years completely I think - anyone confirm?

If that is the case I will find it hard because I am still at school and have been there for the last 4 years. Not 5. So yes I can get a 4 year reference from my form tutor no problems. I just need to know if BAA need a reference that covers the full 5 years and another which can be fewer years?

Makes sense to anyone hopefully?

Thank you all :ok:

[Rainboe]

You can't just apply for an airside pass then go looking for a job accessing airside areas! A company must sponsor you for a BAA pass. Phone BAA at the airport and speak to someone in the Security Pass Office.

[j2wo]

Thanks for replying.

I know I need to apply to get a job first :yuk: I'm only asking because I have read on every vacancy at the BAA airport I want to be working at soon that 5 years references are required.

So that is the purpose of this thread.

Surely they cannot expect me to have a 5 year working history when I'm applying at 16! :}

[Funkie]

j2wo,

The policy is indeed 5 years employment history. Given you have none, I would assume that you've been at school for more than 5 years as you're 16. A letter from your tutor(s) detailing your where abouts in that period should suffice.

As Rainboe says, give them a call. They deal with these situations all the time and will have the answer to help you out!

Pass use is extremely limited and the access control system installed will not grant you access to an area which you are not permitted. That's not to say you can't go for a visit to the tower - you just can't rock up and say hello, anyone fancy a cuppa!!

Good luck with the job application.

[merlinxx]

A ref from your Head Master stating not just your school history, but also your character ref as well. Part time airside will only allow you into departures and or replenishment areas if it's a retail or catering job. You'll not get on the ramp, though folks have!!!. Good luck and choose your location well.:ok:

[j2wo]

Thank you Funkie and merlinxx, for writing back.

Answering both your replies:

I am going to be after a part time position in retail in the depature lounge. I understand from BAA ID website systems are colour coded I wouldn't say I wouldn't like to be able to access the ramp/external because I'm interested in aviation generally :p but unlikely.

I'll give them a ring like you say, replying to Funkie, I will be 16 next month so no, I havn't been any where working for previous 5 years that could reference me, at school its only 4 years.

On reading the BAA ID site again it says something like 'if the applicant has neither worked nor claimed benfit they need to get references from personal referees'. Has anyone here applied on personal referees other than working referees? I have the impression one reference has to cover the full 5 years period, the other can be less time?

Thank you Funkie and merlinxx for your time. :ok:

[LB1985]

Not wishing to throw a spanner in the works, but there may be a minimum age for an airside pass which may be 18... I'm not sure if this is the case, but thought I'd heard it mentioned before.

[j2wo]

Thanks for writing back, LB1985.

I hope that isn't the case, I can't find anything myself to find a minimum age other than 16 because an NI number is needed with the application.

The retail outlet I am applying to says minimum age 16 and their chain is only in airports so maybe the minimum age is 16 for an ID.

I'm going to call later today to confirm most of my questions in this thread! :O

[HS125]

Not wishing to throw a spanner in the works, but there may be a minimum age for an airside pass which may be 18... I'm not sure if this is the case, but thought I'd heard it mentioned before.

I don't know if there are any changes, I used to hold a manchester pass when I was 16. I don't really see how they could justify that, you could solo at 16 and hold a licence at 17 and be airside that way around in any case.

With regard to refrences you could get a reference from one school (4years) then from your primary school for the 5th year, You then need to find someone else that has known you dor long enough to give you a further refrence (e.g. your doctor?)

[j2wo]

This is a quote from the BAA ID site:

How many references does an applicant for an airside pass require?
A minimum of two references must accompany each application for each ID pass. One or more employment references must cover the previous full five years' employment or education history. Any gaps in employment must be verified by references from the appropriate agency (for example The Employment Service for periods of unemployment, or an accountant or the Inland Revenue for periods of self-employment). If this five-year period is validated by only one employment reference (i.e. continuous employment for five years) then a second character/personal reference will be required.
In cases where the applicant has neither worked, nor claimed benefit during the previous five years (for example, a carer or a previously non-working partner returning to employment), then two character/personal references will be required.

I assume the part just above I underlined is the part I need to adhere to. Can someone please just clarify this because I interpret the underlined part above to mean I need 2 references for the last 5 years from people I know personally like friends etc.?

Thanks for writing back HS125
I doubt the minimum age is 18 because like you just said at Manchester it is 16 so BAA should be. And the store I want to work for say minimum age is 16 and would put 18 if they couldn't get the IDs and everything :confused:

Hopefully someone here can be kind enough to answer my question above about the 'personal' references. :p

Thank you everyone

[suppie]

Believe I mentioned it before.....maybe not on this forum but I think its realy
stupid to give whatever kind of info ref airport id's on any forum....this concerns security related information....and shud not made public....If its up to me this topic would be removed:=

[j2wo]

No its not :hmm:

BAA at least seem it is fine to allow anyone to know what the requirements are for an ID! Thats what they've got all over their website. :rolleyes:

So I don't see your point at all.

[Deal or No deal]

Poor coment....

If its up to me this topic would be removed:=

If it were up to me, your post would be removed!

you only obtain access to the areas you 'need' to for your job. But if you wanted to get to tower say, you could be escorted by a pass holder that has access to it so you could visit.

And you can use your pass on your days off as security have no idea of your roster or call out requirements!! If you need something from a locker air side one day, or need to pop in to see your boss, then it's perfectly acceptable to use your pass when not working. Some people have no clue!

I bid you good luck in your venture into the industrie... Just don't expect all the glamour of the 'outside' world!!!

Take care

Deal

[srs what?]

In terms of the access you have it depends on the requirements of your job.

As you say there is a colour system. Working for a retail outlet you would have an airside pass that gives you access to the departure lounge and gates only but not on the ramp, ie 'Internal Airside'. Even staff who have 'External Airside' access don't have access to all areas for example baggage buildup areas, departure gates, cargo areas, taxiways etc.

The Control Tower certainly isn't somewhere you have automatic access to just because you hold an ID, it would need to be required for your job.

[Ad!!!]

When I got my pass, about a year ago, I had to supply 2 references, a five year education/employment history and declare any time that I had been out of education/employment for over 2 weeks. The references should be able to back up these periods of unemployment.

It is hard to get to places you shouldn't be in at airports. There are hundreds of security doors. I problably swipe my card at least 50 times a day. The card is looking a bit taty, might see if I can get a new one tomorrow...

[LHRKLBD]

As long as you have a refrence from two different parties not related to you for the last 5 years you should be fine.

For retail its a greet pass that only give you access internal airside only.

I'v had my pass for a year also and thats falling apart as well.

[j2wo]

The passes really fall apart?

Mine hasn't (as of yet!)

Got my pass, internal airside as you all expected me to get! Happy though I can get pictures of aircraft from departure lounge cafes/restaurants!

Thank you for the replies sorry I taken so long to reply - was applying for my ID! ;) :}

[Out Of Trim]

Happy though I can get pictures of aircraft from departure lounge cafes/restaurants!

Not officially you can't!

You need official permission from BAA management to take photos airside unfortunately. :ugh:

Well, you can apply for permission.. Let us know how you get on!

[DidIdothat]

Taking of pictures by anyone airside is prohibited unless accompanied by written permision from BAA this also needs to have proof of insurance indemnity of 2.5 million GBP.
This application has to be made through the public information department off BAA at the appropriate airport.

Airlines to be photographed also have to be notified and permission sought from the station managers.

FAA airlines prohibit photography of all aircraft by non authorised people.

DID

[j2wo]

Why??

I have taken photos airside as a passenger so whats the difference if your staff or is it not allowed for either?

I doubt I'll apply for permission didn't want a job at the airport just to take photos not allowed to take! ;)