Loss of Flying Pay after PVR

[DownloadDog]

I will shortly be submitting my PVR to get out of the RAF and have a few questions that I hope someone may be able to answer:

1) In the absence of the PVR function working on JPA, what form are you supposed to use?!

2) Under JPA, my flying pay (currently middle rate) will be reduced to 50% of the top rate. The relevant JSP (can't remember the number) states that flying pay is for retention purposes and as such, when you PVR 'it hasn't worked'. I think this argument is fundamentally flawed, on the basis that Paras get Parachute Pay for doing a dangerous job, not for retention purposes so why isn't flying pay also for doing a dangerous job. I'm currently seeking legal advice about this from Mr Blades. Has anyone challenged this in the past? If so, what was the outcome?

[Rev I. Tin]

I don't think you can compare between Paras getting Para pay and the loss of half Flying Pay on PVR, can you. Surely they are two different things.

I believe Paras have to jump to qualify each year. Don't jump=No para pay.

If flying pay is danger money, what is so dangerous about sitting behind a desk for a ground tour?

Oh, no idea about which form to use, but I'm sure it is not beyond you to pick up a phone and call PSF, is it?

[The Gorilla]

And the wheel on the train goes round and round...

See here

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=234262&highlight=flying-pay
:)

[Climebear]

Be wary about raising a comparison with Para Pay it too is Specilist Pay for recruiting and retention. The following qoute is from the AFPRB 2006 Report (http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/6D265526-082E-41F7-B959-CFDA341C3CBA/0/afprb_rpt_2006.pdf). A glance at the Appendix 2 will show that Para Pay has similar reserve bands as Flying pay
Specialist Pay
4.2 In our last two Reports (2004 and 2005), we have noted the development of common arrangements for Specialist Pay. In conducting our periodic reviews of items of Specialist Pay over this period, we have seen how MOD and the Services have applied the agreed common principles, particularly in preparation for the transition to JPA.
4.3 In evidence for this report, MOD informed us that the payment principles and definitions had been developed further. Definitions for payment on the basis of continuous career, non-continuous and task-based had been clarified along with definitions of Specialist Pay posts and Specialist Pay-related posts. The principles applying to Specialist Pay continue to aim to meet short or longer term recruitment and retention requirements. MOD clarified that:
• Specialist Pay ceases on promotion to OF7 (Major General and equivalents);
• Rates can increase and decrease – and will reduce on PVR application;
• Specialist Pay can be withdrawn when the requirement ceases and new forms can be introduced;
• Decreasing rates or withdrawal would be at 12 months notice; and
• Specialist Pay is non-pensionable but is subject to income tax and National
Insurance.
4.4 The common principles for Specialist Pay include Reserve Bands for which, under JPA, full rates will apply for the first three years away from designated posts, and will be followed by decreasing rates (75, 50 and 25 per cent) in the following three years with arrangements for those who PVR or are medically downgraded. We include in Appendix 2 the Reserve Band rates for transition to JPA.

[bwfg3]

No pay loss if on PA Spine.. I've put notice in recently. Go to PSF ask for the form, sign it and wait for your date..simple.:}

[AC Ovee]

Someone recently mentioned to me that the reduction in flying pay applies only to PVR. If you NGR, there is no reduction, it seems.

[WASALOADIE]

If your flying pay reduces by half, then why not reduce your flying by half and see what response that gets.

I was NCA and decided to PVR, I did so on my 22 year so my FP went up to the high level for a day a dropped to the middle rate again, therefore I didnt notice a difference.

I tried to find all ways to avoid the drop (QR's etc) but the rules are there in black and white.

[incubus]

Surely the flying is in itself the retention incentive and, come to think of it, the bonus too.

Indeed, why bother with flying pay at all?

[vecvechookattack]

Paras get Parachute Pay for doing a dangerous job, not for retention purposes so why isn't flying pay also for doing a dangerous jobMaybe because flying isn't dangerous.


Before you call in the lawers fella I would have a chat with the previous 20 or so guys who have thrown good money into a solicitors pocket in the vain attempt of getting somewhere with this....toptip...save yr money

[Sloppy Link]

I thought that once you had reached your IPP you no longer PVR'd but resigned and therefore no cut in flying pay as you had fulfilled your contract. Last time I heard, that is the way the Army deal with the issue.....I think.

[Beermonkey]

Maybe because flying isn't dangerous.


Vecvechookattack, since when did military flying become safe? We mitigate risk, that's all. Foolish statement either said as a wind-up or with an incredible level of ignorance.