Could a Herc land here?

[PhoenixDaCat]

Ignoring the fact that there are goal posts and the surface is of unknown quality, I was wondering if the field in this map http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=m16+8qq&ie=UTF8&z=16&ll=53.435937,-2.250609&spn=0.008577,0.026994&t=k&om=1&iwloc=addr would be big enough to land a Hercules on, and have it take off again.

It's a question asked out of idle curiosity.

The field in question was the location of the first aerodrome in Manchester, back in the 1910s. My ATC Sqn has recently been given a plaque by the local council to commemorate the fact.

[mbga9pgf]

Ignoring the fact that there are goal posts and the surface is of unknown quality, I was wondering if the field in this map http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=m16+8qq&ie=UTF8&z=16&ll=53.435937,-2.250609&spn=0.008577,0.026994&t=k&om=1&iwloc=addr would be big enough to land a Hercules on, and have it take off again.
It's a question asked out of idle curiosity.
The field in question was the location of the first aerodrome in Manchester, back in the 1910s. My ATC Sqn has recently been given a plaque by the local council to commemorate the fact.

J could almost definately do it (diagonally), although you might want to cut the trees down at each end! As for clearing the houses at each end, I am not so sure....

K could probably do it if you stripped out the external tanks, Air Eng, occupier of the seat that smells of wee then put 4 J model engines on it. Then again, they would probably be flying with a dozen other K crews down the back, or say they couldnt do it as its not route flying/Exercises to the states or the Far East. :E

[movadinkampa747]

Ignoring the fact that there aren't any goal posts and the surface is of known quality, I was wondering if the field in this Maphttp://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ie=UTF8&z=14&ll=53.351832,-2.272625&spn=0.036631,0.080509&t=k&om=1would be big enough to land a Hercules on, and have it take off again.:E

[flipster]

Ignoring the unhelpful replies above, it looks a wee bit short to me - you would need roughly 6-10 football pitches lengthwise (depending on the pitch size) to be able to get in and out with a little flex. Diagonally it may be possible however. Of course, there would also have to be a survey on the loadbearing capabilities of the ground itself. Unfortunately, the surrounding obstacles - houses/trees/ditches/grass banks etc, I think, would be the major 'stopper'.
....and um, the footie/rubgy posts would need removing (as already mentioned).
Added to the fact that the land is in the middle of a built-up area and a major international airport is only a stone's throw away, I would think you are shovelling uphill in a BIG way.
If, on the other hand, there is a major commemoration going on sometime, then inviting the Red Arrows to flypast or, more likely, the RAF Falcons to drop in, might be more appropriate. The organising committee of the show would have to write a suitably grovelly request to the RAF Participation Committee at
RAF Participation Committee Secretariat
Room 24,
B Block
RAF HQ, Strike Command
Naphill
High Wycombe
HP14 4UE
Best of Luck

[airborne_artist]

A 130A was successfully landed at the former Tipton Army Airfield in Maryland, said to be a 3000' hard runway. A quick glance at the Google map you posted shows about 3000' available......

[Uncle Ginsters]

Flipster,
That's yesterday's organisation for displays etc. If you want to apply for RAF participation in 06/07 you need to write to:

RAF Events Team,
Adastral Hall,
PO Box 1000,
RAF College Cranwell,
Sleaford,
Lincs,
NG34 9GZ

They have now consumed the old PC from High Wycombe.

:ok:

[mbga9pgf]

A 130A was successfully landed at the former Tipton Army Airfield in Maryland, said to be a 3000' hard runway. A quick glance at the Google map you posted shows about 3000' available......
Southside boys might be able to do it in their current config with a little help like below:
JATO Unit T/O (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0opHdHBL2g)
And I am sure we have all seen the video of the SPAMS attempting to light JATO units airborne as well in Fat Albert. Not pretty. Think it stopped in one football pitch length.:8
JATO Unit LANDING (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6cQKvEH6_0)

[BluntedAtBirth]

Apparently, here is ok now


http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Lyneham,+Wiltshire,+SN15&ie=UTF8&z=14&ll=51.509223,-1.995993&spn=0.022276,0.083942&t=k&om=1

but not after 2012

[mbga9pgf]

Apparently, here is ok now


http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Lyneham,+Wiltshire,+SN15&ie=UTF8&z=14&ll=51.509223,-1.995993&spn=0.022276,0.083942&t=k&om=1

but not after 2012


Yeah, thats if the 0.8% gradient off 24/16 does not pose an obstacle to the K that is!

[GPMG]

Steer the playing field into wind and you'll be ok.

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mK_9ZGAi7c

[movadinkampa747]

Yeah, thats if the 0.8% gradient off 24/16 does not pose an obstacle to the K that is!

24/16? I didnt know there was a runway 16 at Lye. Unless of course they are practicing landing on the grass just in case they receive a request to land on a field in 'Manchester' for instance.

[flipster]

Thanks Ginsters

Sorry about OOD info - that's Google for you!

[mbga9pgf]

24/16? I didnt know there was a runway 16 at Lye. Unless of course they are practicing landing on the grass just in case they receive a request to land on a field in 'Manchester' for instance.

Cheers Easy:ok:

[London Mil]

You can park a C130 here (http://http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=52.812723~-2.410297&style=h&lvl=14&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000). Just make sure the ground isn't too soft.

[PhoenixDaCat]

Cheers for the replies.

I think that the fact any form of bash we have to unveil the plaque would be on a saturday, and that would be the biggest show stopper! :}

[airborne_artist]

Hard to get aircrew excited about a plaque, in all seriousness. Do you have a local branch of Hooters who'd like to sponsor the post-unveiling party - now that could make a difference :}

[movadinkampa747]

Hooters? In Manchester? It would probably be better named Munters.

[vecvechookattack]

Why would you need a Hooters in Manchester....they've got Bredbury Hall.

[US Herk]

Using the scale in the lower left, the field appears to be approx 1800' from SW to NE (ignoring the trees as obstacles, but not considering anything beyond) - that's enough to land a lightweight herk. No margin for error & you'd obviously be operating MOS/Assault.
Going from SE to NW, if there were no hedgerows or fences prior to the road, you'd have right at 3000' - more than adequate.
The J has no real advantage over the K in this case, except for when it came time to depart, then the K might struggle with a TO ground run of only 1800' feet whereas the J would likely be off by midfield!
Until the advent of the J, the Herk has always been able to land at fields it could not depart from, but with the J, it can now depart fields it cannot land at! :ok:

[West Coast]

Kind of a chicken and egg thing

[mbga9pgf]

Using the scale in the lower left, the field appears to be approx 1800' from SW to NE (ignoring the trees as obstacles, but not considering anything beyond) - that's enough to land a lightweight herk. No margin for error & you'd obviously be operating MOS/Assault.
Going from SE to NW, if there were no hedgerows or fences prior to the road, you'd have right at 3000' - more than adequate.
The J has no real advantage over the K in this case, except for when it came time to depart, then the K might struggle with a TO ground run of only 1800' feet whereas the J would likely be off by midfield!
Until the advent of the J, the Herk has always been able to land at fields it could not depart from, but with the J, it can now depart fields it cannot land at! :ok:

Only due to rediculous safety margins imposed on us by boffins and newer certification regulations... (as opposed to more lax older certificaton) how can an aircraft with almost identical configuration as the older model, with bigger brakes and significantly more reverse thrust require a longer landing distance?:ugh:

[US Herk]

Only due to rediculous safety margins imposed on us by boffins and newer certification regulations... (as opposed to more lax older certificaton) how can an aircraft with almost identical configuration as the older model, with bigger brakes and significantly more reverse thrust require a longer landing distance?:ugh:

No, please re-read what I wrote - landing distances will be about the same - I never said the J would be longer. However, the J-model will take off in 1/3 the distance of the Klassic. And, yes, I have flown both.

The J's takeoff performance is so good, it can actually take off from places it cannot land at. The K, landing in roughly the same distance, often cannot depart from where it has just landed at. The landing distances are about the same, the performance of the J is that much better. If they could get the stopping power increases on the same order of magnitude the 2100D/Dowty powerplant provided of the T56/Ham-Standard, it would be revolutionary...routine operations from 1500-2000' strips would be the norm.

FWIW - The J does not have "bigger" brakes, rather, they have full system pressure (3000psi) vs the reduced pressure (2050psi) of the K - which does make a difference, but only on the order of several hundred feet (300-700 ish) when performing maximum anti-skid braking. Fitted to all H-models & up. Also lends itself to hot brakes when misused...

And I wouldn't categorize the J-model's reverse thrust as "significantly more" - only slightly. Besides, the distance in landing ground roll with full reverse & ground idle is only 200-400 ft...



Why are the J folks so sensitive?:confused:

[Skeleton]

gawd not another my herc is better than yours p:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: contest

[WhaleFR8]

Don't know if it helps but I have landed a civilian herc here before. There was actually only about 1800' useable at the time due to big rocks and wash-out. It was considered ok as the remaining was clearway and stopway. I think were were about 125,000lbs in and a little less out.

http://www.alaska.faa.gov/fai/images/UYKNVLY/L20-a.jpg

http://www.alaska.faa.gov/fai/images/UYKNVLY/L20-b.jpg

Have also been to http://www.alaska.faa.gov/fai/images/NSWDLKOB/WLK-a.jpg many times on either runway at lighter weights for sure but the H model does it just fine. A bit of backing and filling was neccessary to turn around at the end though.

Another one - http://www.alaska.faa.gov/fai/images/YKDELTA/MYU-a.jpg

I miss the herc - it was a great airplane. Flew it both civil and military and it could do much with little support.