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Capt.KAOS
2nd Nov 2006, 12:56
Menezes police in new fatal shooting

By Tony Jones, Neville Dean and John Bingham, PA

Published: 02 November 2006


The death of Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes was back in the spotlight today as it emerged that officers involved in the incident had taken part in another police operation in which a man was shot dead. The officers were part of Scotland Yard's specialist CO19 firearms unit which supported Flying Squad detectives as they attempted to stop a suspected armed robbery at the Nationwide building society in New Romney, Kent, on Tuesday. The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is investigating after a man, who has not been named, was shot during the operation and later died in hospital.

The Metropolitan Police confirmed last night that the team sent to Kent had included officers who were involved in the shooting of Mr de Menezes at Stockwell Tube station in south London on July 22 last year. But Scotland Yard would not comment on claims that one of the firearms officers who opened fire on Mr de Menezes shot the 42-year-old man during the suspected bank robbery in Kent.



Developing (http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article1948933.ece)



Ozzy
2nd Nov 2006, 13:09
This is news?.:rolleyes:

Ozzy

Saintsman
2nd Nov 2006, 13:49
That'll teach him to go armed robbing looking like a suicide bomber:hmm:

green granite
2nd Nov 2006, 13:51
This is news?

Yes, but only if you're a huggy fluffy Liberal who thinks that criminals should never be harmed. After all if the police didn't try to arrest them there wouldn't be a problem.:rolleyes:

XXTSGR
2nd Nov 2006, 14:04
"The Met has a small cadre of specialist highly-trained firearms officers...Not that highly trained - eleven shots were fired at Jean Charles de Menezes. Seven hit him in the head, one in the shoulder and three missed entirely - at point blank range!

green granite, de Menezes was not a criminal, and therefore should not have been harmed, even according to your rather jaundiced view. And the incident was described thus:- The officers were part of Scotland Yard's specialist CO19 firearms unit which supported Flying Squad detectives as they attempted to stop a suspected armed robbery at the Nationwide building society in New Romney, Kent, on Tuesday.Given that the officers involve3d in the Stockwell shooting do not have a good record in dealing with people who are merely suspects, I would have thought that a little more caution could be exercised than shooting another man dead. But the perhaps he was carrying a table-leg. :ugh:

frostbite
2nd Nov 2006, 14:44
Is Capt K having a pop at me?

Stafford
2nd Nov 2006, 15:36
I think the act of discharging a sawn off 12 bore shotgun, as this armed robber wannabe did, in the direction of anyone armed with an HK Mk5 is an act of folly ! :rolleyes: :E

Duckbutt
2nd Nov 2006, 15:50
He could have been even more foolhardy I suppose and carried a table leg.

bjcc
2nd Nov 2006, 19:11
XXTSGR

Oh dear, the same tired comments, from someone who hasn't thought

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"Not that highly trained - eleven shots were fired at Jean Charles de Menezes. Seven hit him in the head, one in the shoulder and three missed entirely - at point blank range!"

Think reality there, and maybe you'd relaise something about what did or did not 'hit', and why.


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"green granite, de Menezes was not a criminal, and therefore should not have been harmed, even according to your rather jaundiced view. And the incident was described thus:-"

You were there were you? You know what the officers concerned knew do you? And you've had to make that sort of decision have you? I doubt the answer to any of those is yes.

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"Given that the officers involve3d in the Stockwell shooting do not have a good record in dealing with people who are merely suspects, I would have thought that a little more caution could be exercised than shooting another man dead. But the perhaps he was carrying a table-leg. "

Again, you were there? You know they didn't exercise caution do you? You know exactly what happened do you?

Again I doubt the answer is yes.

The investigation into the Stockwell incident is ruled out criminal charges against the officers concerned. Nothing supports the claims they don't have a good record, nothing in the way of evidence has been produced that says the officers concerned acted incorrectly. That is from an 'independent' enquiry, (although the way some evidence was selectively leaked may make some think otherwise).

So what would you like? Them to be treated differently from you? Hung anyway, lack of evidence not being an issue?

I don't see you condem the SAS for the shootings in Gib a few years ago. Same number of rounds per person fired, same circumstances in that in reality there was no danger. Sadly the reasonable grounds for beliving was otherwise. Hence 3 dead people in Gib, 1 in London. It is a sad fact, that if those that want to bomb/maim/rob or commit any other act of violance carry firearms, bombs or any other weapon, meaning that the other side has no option but to carry firearms, some people will die who should not.

BlooMoo
2nd Nov 2006, 20:10
Seven hit him in the head, one in the shoulder and three missed entirely - at point blank range!

Yeah OK, fair point. I mean compared to your average muslim fundamentalist this must seem pretty crap, but hey, they're new to this, give 'em a break, they'll learn gooder with time.

BM:(

tony draper
2nd Nov 2006, 22:37
Yeh right on Mr Moo, and our chaps don't get a AK47 for their tenth birthday either.:rolleyes:

Stafford
3rd Nov 2006, 08:19
In answer to Capt Kaos' original point, yes, the thieving 6'6", 20 stone antisocial git was a recidivist - with a criminal record as long as the "Really boring and...." thread, and he did fire his shotgun at the police first to be fair. He was then shot, and tasered, "because he was still twitching".:} :D

Capt.KAOS
3rd Nov 2006, 08:44
He was then shot, and tasered, "because he was still twitching".:} :DShot and tasered? Not the other way around? Next time the suspect will be shot, tasered, strangled, tortured, drowned and finally quartered.

Sometimes one wishes the Police would be always as pro-active, like in this case... (http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article1948226.ece)