Lufthansa DLR test

[iceman13]

Hi there,

I am off to Lufthansa’s test centre in Germany in May, and was just wondering if anyone could help me out on a few questions.

Does anyone know what the pass rate is on all the DLR exams??? Or do all tests have individual pass rates???

Is the real thing at the same level of difficulty as the CD-ROM or the downloadable DLR tests???

Any info would be very appreciative.

Thanks a million Guys

Oh... and one more thing.

Could anyone tell me the % you need to pass each individual test, or is there an overall %???

[A340_rulez]

Hi

I stand to be corrected on this but from what i have read on these forums it is a very hard test to pass and only about 8% of the applicants actually pass it??!!

[iceman13]

Ohh one more thing!!!!

Does anyone know the % to pass each individual test, or is there an overall % you need?????


Thanks again.

Iceman

;)

[chrislikesblue]

Does anyone know what kind of tests are these lufthansa tests?

[AbleToControl?]

okay-let's go:

For the non German native-speaking folks, primarily the German language seems to be
the major obstacle, since all tests are conducted in German-except one: a short
test to verify that the applicant speaks sufficient English for the training and
later on for the job.

About 70 % of all skills-tests that are conducted at the DLR can be obtained as preview-modules at
www.hh.dlr.de or more specifically at http://www.hh.dlr.de/coaching.htm
You can download training packages (http://www.hh.dlr.de/coaching/1024x768/DLR-CBT-1024-Gesamt.zip) that give you a very basic impression of what to expect.

The German DLR is actually different from Lufthansa itself - the DLR is
just another organisation that screens potential candidates for aviation
related jobs. Despite from the Lufthansa Screening, they do also conduct
the DFS-Screening, which is the major ATC-Service in Germany.

The screening centre is situated in the north of Germany, precisely in Hamburg.

The screening process for Lufthansa is divided into two stages: the first one
being the "berufsgrundutersuchung" whose purpose is to verify the applicant's
overall suitability for flight training. The details can be looked up at
www.lufthansa-pilot.de (German required)

In summary the applicant's grasp or skills in the following areas are checked:

- basic technical and physical knowledge/reasoning (electrics, mechanics, etc.)
- logical reasoning
- English language (basic grammar and vocabulary)
- mental maths
- concentration testing & memory (visual & aural)
- speed of perception as well as orientation ability (spatial thinking)
- hand/eye coordination
- ability to operate in multiple task environments with dynamic and complex situations
- psychometric testing


After these two days all those applicants who have passed (approximately 30 %) will receive
another invitation for two further screening days at the DLR in Hamburg/Germany.
This stage is then called the "firmenqualifikation" which translates basically
into "company qualification".
This stage is not so much meant to validate the candidate's overall suitability for a
cockpit job, since the positive "berufsgrunduntersuchung" shows already that the
candidate has the necessary set of basic skills as mentioned above- but rather it
is meant to concentrate on the candidate's soft skills and ability to work
efficiently in teams and stuff like that.

The first day will primarily deal with problem-solving tasks as well as working
productively in teams. These tests are split into several categories with different
emphasis. Amongst others the applicant is expected to co-operate with another applicant
without actually seeing him/her but rather they are talking to eachother through the
equivalent of an intercom system. During these tests the communication and results are
all recorded and evaluated by DLR-staff.

The complexity of all tasks is permanently increased in order to monitor the candidate's
reactions under heavy stress. Even if all candidates cooperate perfectly and seem to
get the right results, the situations are changed to see how flexible each candidate is.

All those candidates who successfully pass the first day, get an inivitation for the 2nd day
of the "firmenqulifkition" - where the first screening will be held in a very basic
instrument trainer to assess the candidate's ability to operate in a cockpit as well
as to get an impression about the learning curve. Many candidates fail this simulator
screening on the last day because even though the "cockpit" is a very basic representation
of a true IFR-equipped cockpit, there's no outside view - the whole flight needs to be
monitored by instruments. Every candidate get's about half a hour time to prepare and
practice in this simulator. Basically you need to be able to maintain heading/altitude and
also bank angle as well as climb/sink rate.
Later on you are expected to follow an imaginary route that's displayed on a screen in your
"cockpit". The actual route is splitted into different segments such as:

- 1 minute level flight
- 1 minute climb/descent
- Various turns (80/90/120/150/180 ...procedure turns)

The candidate should be able to "guess" the change of route/course that's necessary in order
to get to the next segment from the depiction on the screen.
If the guess deviates too much from the actual change of course, the instructor will
hop in and tell the candidate the exact change.

After the practicing phase, the candidate is screened for approximately 60 minutes with an
entirely different route that he should be able fly more or less flawlessly - or if any
errors occur, he should be able to spot them, report them and make suggestions for
appropriate corrections.

When the simulator screening is finished, all those candidates that have passed the sim ride
are invited for the final interview with a lufthansa captain as well as various DLR-people
(at least 3) who will ask the usual questions but also check the candidate's motiviation as
well as knowledge about the Lufthansa Company.

As I mentioned above, approximately 4-8 % of all applicants get accepted for Lufthansa
sponsorship - and you REALLY need to speak German, since the whole training (except the
training in the US) will be held in German. Even after positive screening, the candidates
are expected to perform appropriately and show the necessary pass rates in internal tests-
otherwise Lufthansa can easily dismiss those candidates, lacking in certain areas.

This was just a short summary for those of you who want to give it a try.
I hope it was of any help to you.

There's plenty of additional information available in various locations on the web.
Unfortunately, for those of you who don't speak sufficient German: pretty much all that
information is in GERMAN. On the other hand: since you NEED to speak/UNDERSTAND German
to have any chance at all, you are nevertheless better off, learning at least SOME German.

Former Lufthansa applicants have even founded an internet forum for new applicants where
all necessary details can be discussed-but again: IN GERMAN !

While those folks there are certainly very kind and are able to speak/write enough English
to help you out, you SHOULD know German. If you are even having troubles, understanding
the instructions in the computer based training programs, provided by the DLR you should
-if possible- delay your lufthansa screening and brush up on your German in the meantime.
You can find this forum at www.pilotenboard.de
There you can find information about necessary pass rates, too (though, mostly estimations).

Besides a lot of other information about the tests, you can also find numerous
reports of former applicants and read about their descriptions, impressions and feelings
during these tests (in German again).

Indeed, because of the popularity of the Lufthansa-sponsorship scheme in Germany
(several thousands of applicants each year !) there has really developed some
kind of market around "the Lufthansa test", hence there is at least half a dozen
of providers of commercial preparational courses for these tests available ($$).
Also, you can obtain commercial software packages which resemble the original DLR
tests pretty well.

Also, you might be lucky to find helpful advice at www.pilots.de (another German forum)

If you have any additional questions feel free to post them here.

And to those native English folks reading these lines: sorry for any spelling/grammar mistakes, bear with me - I was just trying to clear things up a bit ;-)

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see Studi had already replied (it did take a while to type the bunch of lines above ;-) ) - besides, there's another address you guys might find interesting: www.dlr-downloads.de
This is not an official webpage of the DLR but rather a collection of reports and software modules that deal with airline screening issues in Germany, also run by former Lufthansa applicants.

[maddog29]

hi there,

well not one of the 8 % but say passes the first stage ;) , if you wanna have a good training, check this site www.attc.de
its a test training center, they do prepare you quite well and the pass rate is very high. the disadvantage is, it cost a lot, my stand form 1998 is 1000€ dont know where it is right now.

happy landings

mad:cool:

[jar-dk]

Hi
Been invited by Lufthansa to the Deutschen Zentrum fur Luft- und Raumfahrt Grunduntersuchung in Hamburg, has anybody in here been there and might be able to cast some light on what will happen during that day.??It says my ability to concentrate (:\ ), mental stress level test (:eek: ) etc will be looked at. pm me or reply here, all feedback is greatly apreciated!
cheers!

[goodspeedxxl]

www.skytest.de
and
pilots.de

[Zissou]

Any chance of doing this test in english?
Gonna start freshing up on my german today, but might take
some time...

[stixits]

They used to have dates for english tests as well. Call them and ask to be schudeled for the english version.

Some parts of the tests and also your final interview will still be in german though.

[mightyduck]

Gutentag,
You can download the DLR test files at www.pilotpic.com
Chuss.:ok:

[mightyduck]

Ment www.pilotpick.com :ugh:
and leave some feedback for those other wanabees too.