View Full Version : Picture request, EC glass cockpits
Albeit a humble request.
What I'm looking for is pictures of the PFD and ND primarily, but also CAD and VEMD displays. Ideally, I'd like fairly high-res pictures in different AP and nav modes, in different flight regimes, as well as pictures with warnings and failures presented, startup and such. Now, I'm not trying to kill you, I don't HAVE to know what the displays look like at VNE plus 50kt, that's not what I'm saying. I'm terribly grateful for anything you've got. Primarily the EC135P2, but most virtually identical in -135s, -145s and -155s, right?
This is for a simulator project. If I'm out of place asking these questions here, let me know and I'll get lost. What can I offer in return? Well, sadly not much. Anyone visiting Stockholm, Sweden will be treated to their respective favourite beverage (within reason), and optionally blueberry pie (or equivalent). Other than that, I'm up for suggestions.
Oooh, just though of something, videos! If anyone have videos fitting the profile, I'd probably start to cry...
Thanks!
Hi Mate,
I can send you most of the stuff by good old post. I have got extensive material but all not scanned in.
You can always send me an email if you like.
Cheers
WSPS
wheatbix
30th Oct 2006, 21:08
Not sure what heli it's in, but it's a good shot of some a VEMD display. Sorry but i don't have the hi-res version.
http://www.bluezone.net.au/wheatbix/heliporn/35.jpg
And a few i got from the picture thread
1 (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h263/aser_martinez/P1010564.jpg), a nice hi-res one here (http://homepage.mac.com/helipilot/PPRuNe/TZZCockpit.jpg)
There's quite a few in the gallery thread, but i don't have time to go looking :p
Whatever you find/receive please post up! :D
frankp
30th Oct 2006, 21:38
Hi Mupp,
This was posted by Avnx Eo on the photo thread titled "Not your father's Huey" It's not an EC, but pretty awesome. Hope it helps and he may be able to assist if you write him.
Good luck.
Frank
http://homepage.mac.com/helipilot/PPRuNe/412CockpitEFIS.jpg
AlanM
30th Oct 2006, 21:41
Not sure if any of these are any use (EC155)
See www.pbase.com/kbmphotography/motorsports and click on the ORIGINAL button below the image for full size.
Will try and get some more......
http://www.pbase.com/kbmphotography/image/69443851/large.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/kbmphotography/image/69443872.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/kbmphotography/image/69443939.jpg
WSPS> PM sent!
Wheatbix> Are you sure these are Eurocopter? That first link looks like a Sikorsky to me, the other two like Agustas, but I'm no expert. Not the avionics I had in mind at least, but thanks for the effort!
Alan> Perfect! That's just what I'm looking for. Any more, of startup or something like that with lots of cautions or warnings, or turns, approaches, below DH, anything.
As for posting what I find, if someone sends me pictures and explicitly grants permission to post them here, I'll do so as soon as I find somewhere to host them. If there is any interest, I'll go through my bookmarks and post links to what I've found before coming in here begging for pictures.
wheatbix
30th Oct 2006, 22:33
Wheatbix> Are you sure these are Eurocopter? That first link looks like a Sikorsky to me, the other two like Agustas, but I'm no expert. Not the avionics I had in mind at least, but thanks for the effort!
I'm not sure about the first one, but the other two definately aren't eurocopter...sorry i sort of missed that bit in your first post, but i hope they'll still be of some use (even if they only look cool!)
AlanM
31st Oct 2006, 06:31
Going around on the ILS
http://www.pbase.com/kbmphotography/image/69470930/original.jpg
Wheatbix> They DO look cool, don't they?
AlanM> Great!
212man
31st Oct 2006, 09:03
To be pedantic, that's not a go-round from an ILS: it's the level off phase. On the PFD you can see ALT LOC and IAS, combined with the triangular 'bug' on the altimeter at about 290 ft. The aircraft auto levels at 65 ft but uses the radalt to predict an equivelant baralt ALT capture. In fact, you can see the aircraft is at 74 ft (figure in centre of ADI on PFD) and descending at 100 ft/min. Not only that, but the white line under the ALT caption, and the fact that the ALT bug is white, indicate that the pilot is changing the altitude datum; if the picture was larger you'd see his thumb on the collective rocker switch. When a datum is changing the bug flashes green/white (normally green) and a flashing white line underscores the axis that is changing; this is to alert the PNF and keep him in the loop.
I'm not sure why you would operationally want to be at 110 kts and 74 ft but hey ho!
Curiously, I notice that the CRHT (cruise height, radalt coupling)has been set at 490 ft: I suspect the pilot has mistakenly turned the CRHT knob rather than the HDG knob at some point in the flight. :)
frankp> Your post didn't show up until now, am I the only one to experience that? Either way, as you say it's a bell, and I'm looking for EC, but thanks!
212man> Now, stuff like that is also very much of interest! Right now, I'm just trying to get fonts and proportions right, but when that's finished I have to get the logic down, so explanations like these are greatly appreciated!
wheatbix
31st Oct 2006, 10:59
frankp> Your post didn't show up until now, am I the only one to experience that? Either way, as you say it's a bell, and I'm looking for EC, but thanks!
The PPRuNe mods have set it so that if your a new member and have under 5 or 10 posts (not sure which, i think 5 but?) then all your posts have to be previewed and approved by a mod before they show up. So it just took a while for a mod to approve frankp's post.
When you finish it all post up a pic! Im sure it will be awesome and i look forward to seeing it :D
Woolf
31st Oct 2006, 12:06
212man (AlanM):
I'd guess this is during instrument training as you would not see this configuration otherwise. Still it must be some kind of go-around as he has past his decision height/altitude and he won't be landing at that speed. Probably demonstrating a particular function of the higher modes.
** Comments removed ** as they are a load of ..... :O
Regards,
Woolf
212man
31st Oct 2006, 12:35
Woolf,
I suggest you read my post again.
The 155 level off is a baralt (ALT) capture predicated on the radalt, giving a nominal level off at 65 ft. If you level off and then the ground rises, you fly into the ground. It's not a foolproof system; it's a first line of defence against stupidity.
The CRHT is a preset value much like ALTA, selected by a rotary knob next to the HDG select knob on the APMS. The value is selected and displayed (as in the photo) but the mode is engaged by pushing the knob. It is always a collective coupled mode with a non-changeable vertical speed. It is easy to reach down and turn the CRHT knob instead of the HDG knob. The FLM forbids the use of this mode in IMC or over land, so it's hard to see why else it would be set at 490 ft (it's also in the previous photo at an earlier stage of the approach). The radalt reading comes in at DH plus 500 ft; we can't see the DH figure as it's masked behind the cyclic (below the radalt tape on the ND).
I agree it's probably a training flight, showing the level off function.
I assume you are on the 225 or L2
Cheers
FloaterNorthWest
31st Oct 2006, 14:34
Mupp,
PM me with an email address, I have a lot of EC135 CPDS PFD, ND, VEMD and CAD pictures. I also have a Powerpoint presentation explaining the autopilot and EFIS displays.
There is alot so will take a few emails.
I do a nice line in EFIS 40/50 pictures for the really sad collectors!
FNW
AlanM
31st Oct 2006, 17:54
Corr blimey - there's me with my inaccurate description!!
Yes - it was a demo of a fly down and level off (80ft) down the runway.
We "went around" and climbed out seconds after the pic.
Pedantry is fine....! :)
HeliComparator
31st Oct 2006, 17:59
212 - for info Woolf must be an L2 pilot as everything he mentions (LVL mode, radalt only displaying at CR HT + 500 etc) is all L2 and not at all 225. It seems he doesn't appreciate that there is life outside the L2!
HC
Coconutty
31st Oct 2006, 19:57
EC135 T2 ( 2005 ) on the ground.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d129/coconut11/135T2-2005.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d129/coconut11/Coconutty.jpg
Floppy Link
31st Oct 2006, 21:08
Mupp you already have these...
http://www.espotlight.co.uk/instruments.jpg
nice company issue black boots there! And
http://www.espotlight.co.uk/IMG_0362.jpg
Coconutty how come your VSI is reading 2300 fpm up?
212man
31st Oct 2006, 22:15
Looking at his CAD and FLI I'd say that was the least of his problems!:uhoh:
Coconutty
1st Nov 2006, 13:16
Hey - I never said it was MY 135 :p
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d129/coconut11/Coconutty.jpg
The AP Upper mode captions in the 155 are ALT above the Airspeed tape and IAS above the Altitude tape which is confusing enough.
In the 135 they are the other way round. I asked the French pilot about this and he muttered something about "certification standards".
Scroll back and look at the pics.
Makes life interesting if you go from one to the other!!
Then again one aircraft is French and the other mostly German.
Methinks it is a small cock up somewhere that could lead to a larger cock up one day!
:=
HeliComparator
3rd Nov 2006, 22:29
RVDT - The position of the "upper modes" indicates whether they are engaged on the cyclic or collective channel - collective channel is on the left just like the aircraft! In the 155, L2 and 225 and maybe the 135 (is it 4-axis?) you can have ALT controlled by the cyclic, or by the collective depending on what else is engaged and what your speed is. So its nothing to do with which gauge they are above. I think its more important to know which control is controlling what than to position the display above the gauge. I have never found this confusing.
HC
212man
4th Nov 2006, 02:16
HC is quite correct. In fact they are not 'above' the tapes, they are in a central block above the ADI. All 4 axis AP helicopters do something similar, though sadly they don't all use the same conventions over which box represents which control: there's the area for confusion!
HeliComparator
4th Nov 2006, 09:24
I was looking for a photo of an EC225 display but could only find this which is a still from a video so its not crisp. This is the Flight/Nav Display which gives you everything you need to fly the aircraft. The other screen is the Nav Display which allows larger display of nav information perhaps from another source. You can couple to either screen (or of course either of the screens on the other side of the cockpit). In the shot we are establishing on the ILS - just settling down coupled to the localiser. ALT.A has just switched to ALT with 1800' being captured and the glidepath is armed.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/helicomparator/EC225FNDonILS.jpg
212man
5th Nov 2006, 03:21
And the heater is on!
HeliComparator
5th Nov 2006, 08:28
212 - Actually no, I think its only the ice detector! EC decided to make all P3 airbleeds including the ice detector bring on that caption (I call it the tumble drier symbol) which is a pity as it means the caption is almost alway there. However perhaps it doesn't matter because you don't have to put the heater off for takeoff and landing anymore - it auto-shuts off if you go OEI.
HC
zorab64
7th Nov 2006, 09:50
Helicomparator - quite agree with the lack of confusion over which parts of the upper modes are engaged. The main thing to remember with the 135 is that it's only a 3 axis AP (P/R/Y) so modes are mostly controlled by cyclic. Therefore, with ALT engaged, the collective just controls speed; likewise with IAS hold, collective controls height.
As you can only have two modes of the AP engaged at any one time, you just have to think what you're trying to do!
I am glad that we all find things clear and not confusing. The point is they are transposed from one aircraft to another, that is the dumb bit.
How many Bond operators will go between 332/225 and 135?
Just like temps and pressures are transposed on the instruments if you float between 206/206L and 212/412.
If that all makes sense to you, well I guess it just does.
Capt Hollywood
7th Nov 2006, 12:01
A few from tonight, not the best quality I know but not bad for handheld with no flash!
CH :cool:
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n197/danodwyer/EC130/130panel2.jpg
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n197/danodwyer/EC130/130panel.jpg
I'm sorry, but I'm have to take this a bit offT (which is quite a feat considering I started the thread), but as I'm not a pilot (not even planks), many things in the aviation world are unclear to me. Here's one of them: Capt Hollywood's pics, which to my knowledge must be of a Colibri, shows a left-seater. Again, to the best of my knowledge, most Colibris are right-seaters. Why does one go against the norm? Given that the Colibri has a CW rotating main rotor, it would have a tendency to hang right skid low in a hover, and this would be "made worse" by having the pilot in the right seat, if he's alone at least, so why is the norm right-seaters in the first place? I'm not trying to revive the "MR/TR moment arm" thread, just give me a pointer to where I can educate myself.
In other news, please keep up the "arguing" over details, I'm learning a lot!
The last pic's are of a 130 which are left hand drive but left hand drive is also and option for the 120. Lateral C of G in the 120 doesn't care if you drive left or right.
D'oh! I even see the sign now that you told me, I wonder why I was so sure it wasn't a 130, I guess I thought it would be more like a 350B3 internally or something like that. Thanks anyway!
212man
7th Nov 2006, 22:16
RVDT,
you are not listening! They are not transposed between the 155 and the 135. The 135 has a 3 axis AP and the 155 has a 4 axis AP. When the 155 is flown with 3 axes engaged the PFD will mirrror that of the 135 i.e. the ALT will be on the right as it is controlled by the cyclic. When 4 axes are engaged it moves to the left as it then controlled by collective, and the IAS appears on the right as it is controlled by cyclic. Regardless of which axis is controlling the altitude, the means of adjusting it (or V/S or CRHT) is always the collective beep.
The S-92 does the same, except Sikorsky have put the cyclic axis on the left and the collective axis on the right, must be to replicate all those aircraft with the collective on the right and the cyclic on the left:ugh: