Got my first rejection letter!!!

[nuclear weapon]

Having just completed and recieved my frozen atpl licence a couple of weeks ago. I have filled three online applications and sent out 1cv needless to say I revcieved an email on friday from t/cook saying the usual sorry you weren't picked and the rest. I also recieved a letter last week from a lcc thatI did not meet thier requirements now and that they will keep my name on file incase I do in future.
Funny thing is I dont even feel a hint of dissappointment and with each rejection you come one step closer the one that will say yes. I intend to collect them until they reach 15 before concidering taking drastic action like paying for a type. I have a lot of friends who finished last year and applied to death in so many cases they didn't even recieve a an acknowledgement letter saying whether or not thier cv was even recieved. So I intend to keep you guys updated and good luck to those in the same shoes.

[Bobs-Your-Uncle]

may i ask how much debt you have and how you intend to service the debt?

wish i could be as positive about receiving my lastest PFO letter.

:ugh:

[Jinkster]

I must have about 40 PFO letters. GB and My Travel seem to be the best at sending them out :}

[Craggenmore]

Jinkster,

I received a rejection letter from GB the day I found out that I had passed into their Cadet hold pool back in Dec 2004 (although they never got around to fishing me out!).....lots of crossed wires. Could mean good things to come.....:}

[TurboJ]

I have filled three online applications and sent out 1cv

Nuclear Weapon -

Don't mean to be rude....but what is the colour of the sky in your world?

2yrs, instructing, approx 150 CVs and very few replies and only now do I have a biz jet type rating on my licence......and I haven't had to pay for it.

TJ

[planecrazy.eu]

I cant add anything here, but did you go Modular or Integrated? Not as it matters, just curious...

Anyway, good luck, and i think as hinted above, even 15 no's isn't enough to consider a type rating unless you do a type rating to for a specific job.

Not sure if this is right, but i have seen some airlines that will only take frozen pilots that have been type rated at particular schools/training centres.

So could getting a type rating on a frozen atpl just make more problems that it would fix?

[Hour Builder]

Nuclear Weapon -
Don't mean to be rude....but what is the colour of the sky in your world
funny ;)

[dartagnan]

you wait for 15 rejection letter...
that will be very easy, I am over 1000(i do not count any more) and a day someone will call you telling you have been rejected in the past but now they want see you and want see if you are still available.

so keep smiling, and send cv as much you can.
i would keep a red list of companies who has reject you to many time...if one day they call you, explain them why you reject them.

[haughtney1]

I must have about 100 PFO letters!! All good info...for use at a later date:E :ok:

[Jinkster]

Haughtney,

As in for starting fires when times do really get hard......or as bribery and blackmail :ooh:

[scottiedogg]

Sorry to hear about getting rejection letters, but you cannot expect to get a job within the first handful of CVs sent. Bare with it, it will come.

Take into account another option to tide you over like instructing if you want to stay flying and earning whilst waiting for a job, but are not swayed by the joyess idea of funding a type rating.

Scott

[FO JimmieJames]

It is now dawning on me that hair dressing may have been a bit easier to get into.:8 Oh well can't turn back now.

If you are in debt . . . well get into some more. The banks will love you for it. Splash out on a nice B737 or A320 type rating at a good school, and hey presto you will be finding it a lot easier to get into that dream job!!!

If like me you haven't a blue fathing and the banks are looking to reposes everything you have, well send out as many CVs as you can and in the mean time you could look at male prostitution, instructing or something fun of that nature to support your sorry ass.

OH GOD HELP ME:ugh:

[haughtney1]

Nah Jinkster......it just reminds me of how hard I've had to work to get where I am (its as much about the journey, as it is about the destination:ok: ), and its always good to remind yourself now and then! Also good to keep details of those who employ....you never know when your gonna need them.

[George Foreman]

Yes GB are very good at rejection letters. :rolleyes:

Sometimes it takes a while, such that you've got another job and 500 hours on type when they send it, or you are on fielding a phone call from an agency who are offering you a 6 month contract with them, as you open the letter. :)

However, every CV I've sent them has, sooner or later, resulted in a reply. There is something agreeably English about that.

George.

[ICING AOA]

It is very difficult (= impossible at 99.9%) to get a first job with only a F. ATPL and 200 hours just by "sending" the CV ! At least you need to give it personaly to the right persone ! :oh:

Good luck

[WindSheer]

Lets be honest guys...

Getting that first job with minimal hours is nearly impossible through CV's alone!! (as mentioned above).

Get yourself into the industry and get to know the people that matter....:eek:

[A320fanatic]

Keep on perceveiring!! It is possible to find a job as a low houred pilot nowadays..For my part I was freaking lucky, graduated from the Sabena Flight Academy 5 months ago with a bit more that 200 hrs total time, send a couple of Cv's, got right away my first interview at TCAB, but also at SN brussels airlines and Luxair, all three went good but the most interesting was TCAB....i'm starting TR A320 in a bit more than a month.

Places are availble in plenty of companies right now, DHL, SNBA, Luxair are only a few exemples....keep on pushin', and go get'em!!

[checks-complete]

15 rejection letters ??
I think my pile got to about an inch and a half thick before I got a break!
learne to love them!

[Callsign Kilo]

To echo what Windsheer suggested, I was told pretty much as soon as I began training....."It's not what you know, it's who you know!"

I find it amazing that just by talking to people about what you do, you can discover that somebody somewhere knows someone in this industry. Whether it be at obvious places like your FTO or flying club or less obvious places like with your friends, family or former colleagues. The opportunity to network and show your personality and a devotion to achieving your goal to people within the airline world is worth a million cv's in my opinion.

[Busbo]

Got my break from a job which had actually rejected me after interview. They phoned me back a couple of weeks after getting my PFO letter saying someone that they actually did want me and where would I like to be based! So dont give up on any company even if they brush you off. They dont have the resources to give everyone an honest appraisal. Unless they want you there and then they probably wont give you anything to positive about even though they may well have made a note of your name (I realise that some companies will in fact give you a little more info if they like you, but most wont)
Oh, and to the guys giving Nuclear Weapon a hard time for not having sent out many CVs yet and asking what the colour of his sky is! I filled out two online applications and didnt send a single random CV out. I'm not saying it to brag I'm saying it to point out that you wont always rejected so give each application/cv covering letter your full care and attention. Its all too easy to cut and paste. If you send the same old crap out to every company you might as well just not bother. The guys and gals that sort through the stack of names know what they're doing, they can spot the people who've given it some time in an instant and more importantly those who havent.
Anyway, I'll await the backlash from the FIs who've sent out 4000 CVs and given every single one a week's work so who am I to say such scandalous things.

[dboy]

hoi everybody,

Last week i got another rejection letter. My tests were good and my interview (i thought) was also good, but the company had another opion i guess.

Well, now it is 100% for sure. I think it is now the moment to be very objective and the best thing to do is to quit. I'm going to leave aviation industry because there is no other alternative and i'm sick always trying without obtaining any result, plus i'm too old now(almost 31). I've already sold everything (headset, books, gps..). I had wonderfull years, years i will never forget. I know 1 thing for sure: when i'm 65 old i can say:"i took the chance to become a prof pilot"

I also want to say is that i've learned a lot from a lot of guys around here and that pprune is a very usefull tool.

I also want to wish everyone the best in aviation.

I really hope that you guys can make your dream come true and that the outcome is much better than mine.

Good luck everybody and bye!

Dboy

[SinBin]

For God's sake man! Don't give up!! Go and instruct or do something outside of the airlines, would be a shame to waste all your hard work and hard earned cash!! The day I 'll give up is the day the blood stops running through my veins!!

[Vortex Thing]

No dboy I agree give up. It makes it easier for the rest of us. One less Cv in the pile that means that one day we may get an interview somewhere. :D

As for Nuke. I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings and tell the sad old tale of woe and doom but worked with many when I was an FI and still know many instructors well over 4 years into making applicationswith over 1500hrs who still have not had a single interview and I also know a few who are flying short haul jets with less than 400hrs when they got their first ride so I would probably nip down the shops and get some resilience if you hope to mkae it through being one of the former and are not lucky enough to be the latter.

I do say luck because if you can't get an interview it is very hard to get a job.

Good luck :)

[boogie-nicey]

Dboy,

Come on, quit the industry......? Indeed take a moment of pause and give yourself a chance to compose yourself. Then re-assess and re-plan, as someone has already mentioned "a life outside the airlines". Aviation is aviation whichever corner of the industry you find yourself in. Why not do instructing part-time and accompany it with full-time work so that you get the best of both worlds. After all you are intending to return to some other form of full time employment so why not supplement it with what you love and if it still fails to advance your career then at least you're flying somewhere, at somepoint, for some satisfaction.

Take care my friend.

[Gertie Vow]

:E Having read some of the posts in this thread I think that it would be a good idea if learning to spell and string a sentence together were included in your pre CV preparation.

[BigAl's]

Heer hear. I alwayz think speelin is very impotent. :oh:

I also agree with the stringing a sentence together thing. I believe Spike Milligan said: "string is a very useful thing. Rope is thicker, but string is quicker."

It may be wise to remeber that employers will be looking 'outside of the preverbial flying box'. There's a lot more to getting a job than JUST the flying aspect. Previous roles / experience and qualifications, and how this is presented will not go unnoticed. At the end of the day it is this kind of thing that will seperate you from the hordes of other frozen ATPL applicants!

[dartagnan]

you can still "give up" for a while and do something else.Probably you need money to eat!
your license is good for 5 years anyway and you can still send 2-3 CV a month and give some phone call ( and harass them, they love that so they feel important ;) ), and see.the futur looks better for you.

[WindSheer]

Having read some of the posts in this thread I think that it would be a good idea if learning to spell and string a sentence together were included in your pre CV preparation.

I totally agree!!

But hey, shouldn't that be 'stringing a sentence.....', and shouldn't there be a comma after the word thread!!

:ok:

[nuclear weapon]

Its been interesting reading your replies guys. I checked thomsonfly's webseite this morning and they said they are currrentlly recruiting flight crews and followed the link however it led to nothing or they've hidden it somewhere where it cant be found.
Will any of you guys who have been rejected or sucessfull with them post the appropriate link here.
Its worth giving them a try. And does anyone know why flybe are currently delaying thier launch of their online app form. My guess is the age requirements they are going to be forced to do away with. I am pretty sure on the new for they will most likely ask for when you got your college degree if you have any and take it to be an average age of 24/25.