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682al 3rd June 2007, 17:17 I'm not 100% certain about this, but I think it may be the Miles M20, "emergency" fighter, with a Merlin engine, eight guns and a fixed undercarriage?
MReyn24050 3rd June 2007, 17:36 :ok: Great to see you back on form. It is indeed the miles M.20 :D
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/m20.jpg
You have control
Mel
682al 3rd June 2007, 20:18 Thanks Mel.
I have to say a port view of the panel would have helped me make up my mind a bit quicker - i.e. absence of undercarriage indicator!
Here's mine. I really am running short of candidates.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/Cockpitquiz.jpg
windriver 3rd June 2007, 21:20 Pacific Aerospace CT4B Airtrainer?.... (just checked, not a jet)
Try HAL HJT-16 Kiran
Tiger_mate 3rd June 2007, 21:28 Saab 105 jet trainer
682al 3rd June 2007, 22:46 Well that didn't last long, I hardly had time to make a brew.
Tiger_Mate has it! :)
Tiger_mate 3rd June 2007, 23:03 Sorry folks... I am just back from time away at sunny locations and have not even unpacked yet, can somebody step in to keep the thread going?
Akubra 4th June 2007, 11:28 Heres and interesting one to keep the ball rolling.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/wcpi.jpg
If someone can find an "in cockpit" photo, I would like to see it.
windriver 4th June 2007, 12:19 Berlin B9?
Akubra 4th June 2007, 12:44 Not the B9 windriver.
Kitbag 4th June 2007, 14:39 I've seen this one before somewhere:)
Just can't remember where:(
Kitbag 4th June 2007, 14:48 Ah hah, yes I can :)
Heinkel 119?
Akubra 4th June 2007, 15:31 http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/he119-2.jpg
The thread is yours Kitbag! :ok:
Kitbag 4th June 2007, 16:52 OK, wrong place wrong time. If I haven't put anything on by 9pm tonight its first come first served.
Kitbag 4th June 2007, 20:35 In Mels words: 'Here is an easy one'
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/Pic3.jpg
evansb 5th June 2007, 05:57 Brewster Buccaneer, (Bermuda)?
Kitbag 5th June 2007, 07:25 Sorry, not from the Brewster stable evansb
Tiger_mate 5th June 2007, 08:13 Too ugly to be British :E
Front seat or Rear seat?
Kitbag 5th June 2007, 12:31 TM
Its the only seat
MReyn24050 5th June 2007, 13:00 Good challenge Kitbag. It is I am sure a US Naval Aircraft possibly the Martin Mauler or Boeing XF8B-1 which was built to the same spec.
Mel
larssnowpharter 5th June 2007, 13:44 Have to go along with Mel here except that I would plump for the XF8 becuase of the similarity of this panel with that of the XF6. Cannot confirm tho.
Kitbag 5th June 2007, 15:33 USN and it achieved series production (approx 150 of this particular variant out of a total in excess of 12000 of all marks), so not really an X??
evansb 5th June 2007, 15:38 Is it some variant of a Grumman Hellcat. F6F-3N? With RADAR? (The rounded fascia with sculpted dials, also the lower right-hand instruments lead me to examine Grumman).
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/f6fradar.jpg
Kitbag 5th June 2007, 17:14 evansb is there :D. F6F-3N Hellcat BuAer 41302 according to the r/h placard in the original photo. The other placard carries a warning that the wing mounted radar nacelle will cause airspeed to indicate 15-20 knots high in a left sideslip. If you look closely at the pic evansb has posted you can see the proximity of the nacelle to the pitot tube. Note the very small size of the radar display bolted into the centre of the instrument panel which I thought might throw some of you :hmm:. The Hellcat became the most widely used carrier night fighter in the Pacific.
evansb 5th June 2007, 19:37 This one may prove difficult for some.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/audrey-1.jpg
Kitbag 5th June 2007, 21:48 I agree:confused:
larssnowpharter 6th June 2007, 08:33 I am thinking along the lines of something like an older Falke or am I totally off base?
MReyn24050 6th June 2007, 11:14 High wing with cockpit doors that open upwards.
I think it is Italian,possibly the Prototype PM.1 which led to the Macchi 308?
Mel
evansb 6th June 2007, 13:44 Mel, you are correct.:ok: Well done.:D The CNA (Compagnia Nazionale Aeronautica) PM-1 prototype. One of the few companies that produced both airframes and aero-engines. World War II and the bombing of their factory curtailed development. It did indeed lead to the Macchi 308.
Over to you.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/CNA-P.jpg
MReyn24050 6th June 2007, 14:58 Thanks Bri, that was a good challenge.The upward opening doors was the real clue. This next easy one is for kitbag :) I am certain we havent had it before, if we have I must have missed it.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz62.jpg
Tiger_mate 6th June 2007, 16:07 Handley Page Hampden? ....based upon gut feeling alone.
jabberwok 6th June 2007, 17:43 Funny thing but my gut feeling was for the Bolingbroke.
Please say it was an HP design.. :uhoh:
MReyn24050 6th June 2007, 19:29 Neither the Handley Page Hampden nor the Bolingbroke.However Tigermate's gut feeling is on course.
Mel
Kitbag 6th June 2007, 20:07 I was leaning towards the Douglas Boston/Havoc series or maybe a French twin like the LeO 451 but definitely not sure. What is puzzling me is the fabric? material at the top right of the pic, it seems to give an assymetric effect to the cockpit. Await the solution with baited breath.
MReyn24050 6th June 2007, 23:21 Not the Douglas Boston/Havoc series or a French Twin.
Mel
seacue 6th June 2007, 23:43 Single-pilot British WW2 bomber? No idea which.
MReyn24050 6th June 2007, 23:57 She was British and a bomber a few did fly in WWII but in different roles.
Mel
Tiger_mate 7th June 2007, 00:00 She was British and a bomber a few did fly in WWII but in different roles.
HP54 Harrow, designed as a bomber but used as a transport & in turn, in-flight refueller?
Kitbag 7th June 2007, 00:05 Fishing. Blackburn Botha?
MReyn24050 7th June 2007, 00:42 Not the Botha and this one came from the same stable as the HP54 Harrow. She was also designed as a bomber but used in WWII as a trainer and for other duties.
windriver 7th June 2007, 01:12 HP38 Heyford?
MReyn24050 7th June 2007, 01:17 It is indeed the Handley Page Heyford:ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/handleypageheyford.jpg
HANDLEY PAGE HEYFORD - The HANDLEY PAGE HP.50 HEYFORD heavy bomber biplane was designed by G R Volkert to meet Specification B.I9/27
and the prototype (HP.38) first flew on June 12, 1930. The RAF acquired 15 Handley Page Heyford Is, 23 Handley Page Heyford lAs, 16 Handley Page Heyford IIs and 70 Handley Page Heyford Ills. About 30 remained in 1939, all Mk Ills with 695 hp Kestrel VI engines. They were used for a year or so at Nos 3 and 4 Air Observer Schools and No 4 Bombing and Gunnery School.
You have control
Kitbag 7th June 2007, 01:19 OK, I give up, my Boys Book of Handley Page aircraft doesn't come up with a suitable monoplane contender unless you mean the HP51, but I don't think that went into production. How about a Heyford?
Kitbag 7th June 2007, 01:22 Rissoles :\, spent too long writing!
Well done Windriver :D
windriver 7th June 2007, 12:37 Rissoles :\, spent too long writing!
If it's any consolation kitbag you were unlucky... I got as far as entering HP Hinadi... then changed my mind for some reason at the preview stage.
Nice easy one as a consolation....
http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/6428.jpg
Kitbag 7th June 2007, 16:12 At the risk of seeming a complete doo dah-
Avro Shackleton?
windriver 7th June 2007, 16:35 Sorry Kitbag.. not a Shackleton.
The best I can offer you is similar vintage....
ZeBedie 7th June 2007, 16:43 Neptune?
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windriver 7th June 2007, 17:13 Nope... sorry
Kitbag 7th June 2007, 19:12 Vickers Varsity?
windriver 7th June 2007, 19:14 Not a Varsity... sorry
RETDPI 7th June 2007, 19:32 Mon Dieu!,
I go to the North and look at my book of maps.
windriver 7th June 2007, 19:48 Vous êtes monsieur correct. C'est le Nord Nordatlas. Vous avez la commande :ok:
evansb 8th June 2007, 08:50 New day, new cockpit.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/8375309.jpg
Kitbag 8th June 2007, 09:56 Late series Boeing 737?
MReyn24050 8th June 2007, 14:00 I think this aircraft is from the Beech Stable as the cental throttle console is similar to that of the Beech Super King Air, however the warning panel along the top of the instrument panel is similar to the Beech 400 Beechjet. Control yokes are also Beech type. I have not yet identified the exact type but I am sure it is a Beech derivative.
Mel
windriver 8th June 2007, 14:07 Beech Starship....
MReyn24050 8th June 2007, 14:13 windriver.:ok: You are correct it is the Beechcraft Starship 2000 or 2000A.
windriver 8th June 2007, 14:59 Recognised it immediately...but only after Mel mentioned Beechcraft....
Something a bit different that I have to hand... This challenge is to identify the function or purpose of this SAAB built device.
http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/390.jpg
Kitbag 8th June 2007, 15:18 Lars felt that SAABs new safety bicycle was a little cumbersome for the daily commute :)
windriver 8th June 2007, 15:41 Not a bicycle prototype or simulation sorry... :cool:
evansb 8th June 2007, 17:24 VTOL simulation which led to the J37 Viggen?
windriver 8th June 2007, 18:26 Not quite , but you're on the right track citing the development of the Viggen. (1965 Photo)
evansb 8th June 2007, 18:32 how about a simulator for Viggen`s no-flare, steep (5m per sec) approaches..
windriver 8th June 2007, 18:48 Much more mundane than that ... Consider why the "pilot" might consider it wise to wear a bone dome.
evansb 8th June 2007, 19:04 Ejector seat simulator?
windriver 8th June 2007, 19:08 More mundane....
MReyn24050 8th June 2007, 19:49 Just a thought. SAAB 37 Viggen computerized 'avenger' test rig perhaps.
The aircraft was designed to have a powerful all purpose computer to assist in all missions phases take off,target approach,attack,return and landing. The computer projected head up display on a reflector screen in the pilot's line of sight.
windriver 8th June 2007, 20:44 Er... sort of, but think on a more fundamental level. This rig was used to investigate one particular flight condition.
Ask yourself again why he's wearing a bone dome....
evansb 8th June 2007, 20:51 low altitude terrain following/contour flying?
MReyn24050 8th June 2007, 21:10 Problems were experienced with the first aircraft due to using reverse thrust to slow the aircraft on landing which coupled with nosewheel steering problems. No 4 Aircraft skidded off the runway and turned over. Was this rig connected with the work carried out to overcome this problem? Possibly checking landing 'g' loading acceptable for aircrew etc?
windriver 8th June 2007, 21:13 Low level .... Sooooo close .... Why might he need a (low tech) hard hat for this simulation....
Just looking for one word to unlock this challenge.
Edited due simulatenous postings... No Mel. Low level is the clue. Think basics.
evansb 8th June 2007, 21:37 Low altitude bail-out/ejection?:confused:
windriver 8th June 2007, 22:10 Nope... What often fatigues both crew and craft particularly at low level...
MReyn24050 8th June 2007, 22:11 'g' forces introduced by terrain following simulator throwing the "pilot's" head sidewards,reawards etc and his head hitting the shroud. The helmet provides protection.
windriver 8th June 2007, 22:24 Aaaagh....
The effect in question is usually more pronounced (though not exclusive) at low level, indeed I`ve experienced in clear air.
innuendo 8th June 2007, 22:34 Turbulence at high speed and low level, (thermal causes etc). The vertical posts at each side of the contraption look as if they allow the whole thing to go go up and down, not sure how violently. If your harness does not hold you down do you crack your noggin on the canopy???
windriver 8th June 2007, 22:55 Correct innuendo - Turbulence was the key word to this challenge.
Unfortunately the article on the development of the SAAB 37 Viggen from which this image was derived doesn`t elaborate on the caption which simply reads...
"Test rig used by SAAB to simulate flying in turbulent weather."
You have control.
evansb 9th June 2007, 16:51 Here is the next What cockpit?
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/2992740.jpg
windriver 9th June 2007, 20:45 Is it a Maule M4?
MReyn24050 9th June 2007, 21:35 Aeronca 65-CA Super Chief?
evansb 9th June 2007, 22:24 Sorry gents, not a Maule, nor an Aeronca Super Chief.
windriver 10th June 2007, 12:05 Is it a Stinson L-5 Sentinel ?
evansb 10th June 2007, 13:01 Windriver, sorry, it is not a Stinson Sentinel.
windriver 10th June 2007, 13:08 OK... How about a Cessna Bird Dog ?
MReyn24050 10th June 2007, 13:39 Intriguing. Would appear to be a single engine high wing aircraft possibly designed as an AOP aircraft. Starboard side, forward of door, is that an aperture or just a panel missing? Windscreen is similar to that on the Interstate Cadet, yet that aircraft had tandem seats. The follow on aircraft from Interstate was the Artic Tern also two seats in tandem. Can we take it this aircraft was designed and built in the USA?
Mel
Woods 10th June 2007, 16:48 Piper L-4X which was to be the L-14, but only a few got built, two existing today.
If correct, I have to pass. I hope I'm ready to submit a challenge before they are all used. Interesting, though, in all these cockpits I have only recorded two Pipers.:O
evansb 10th June 2007, 17:16 Woods is correct:ok: Well done:D The Piper L-14, originally designated the YL-14, was the first Piper to employ flaps. It also featured leading-edge slots, and a pivoting third seat with a map desk for the observer aft of the two pilots.
It could be configured to carry two stretchers (litters) with the observer seat removed. Hundreds were ordered, fewer than ten were built, and one remains airworthy.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/piperLiaison.jpg
evansb 10th June 2007, 21:14 Would someone like to post a cockpit photo?:)
windriver 10th June 2007, 21:33 Hat's off to Woods... I looked at a few Cessnas but couldn`t find a match. Must try harder. ... I`ll step in with this.
http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/271.jpg
MReyn24050 10th June 2007, 23:34 4 Engined experimental aircraft. Wild guess, Curtiss-Wright X-19 VTOL Experimental Aircraft perhaps
windriver 11th June 2007, 00:00 Not the Curtiss-Wright but very warm....
MReyn24050 11th June 2007, 00:23 LTV-Hiller-Ryan XC-142 perhaps
windriver 11th June 2007, 00:31 Ouch.. that was hot... but no.
MReyn24050 11th June 2007, 00:50 Bell X-22A perhaps?
windriver 11th June 2007, 09:03 Yes it's the Bell X-22A ..it was only a matter of time... :ok:
http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/679.jpg
You have control..
MReyn24050 11th June 2007, 11:26 http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz269.jpg
Kitbag 11th June 2007, 15:43 Windscreen is reminding me of a Storch but the instruments seem a little too sophisticated, could it be the later licence built French MS Criquet?
MReyn24050 11th June 2007, 16:21 This aircraft is not a Storch or the the Morane Saulnier MS 505 "Criquet.
evansb 11th June 2007, 21:48 The rarely seen Nord 3400 Norbarbe.
MReyn24050 11th June 2007, 22:42 evansb has it. :ok::D. It is the Nord 3400 Norbarbe.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Nord3400F-AZFM.jpg
you have control
evansb 12th June 2007, 00:50 Thanks mel, I enjoyed the research. Here is the next What Cockpit?
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3006965.jpg
MReyn24050 12th June 2007, 02:06 I know this one but will let it run to give others a chance. Please check your PMs Bri.
Mel
Speedpig 12th June 2007, 03:48 F105 Thunderchief?
evansb 12th June 2007, 04:24 Speedpig, sorry, not a Republic F-105 Thunderchief.
innuendo 12th June 2007, 07:09 Looks to be a twin engine going by the dual row of instruments on the right side of the panel.
Kitbag 12th June 2007, 09:24 with reheat as well. How about the Rumanian Soko Orao?
Kitbag 12th June 2007, 09:34 Nix the europeans. McDonnell F101 Voodoo?
Cpt_Pugwash 12th June 2007, 11:10 Very reminiscent of an early Harrier with that display between the pedals, but the HUD seems wrong. AV-8A?
27mm 12th June 2007, 12:55 Fiat G-91Y?
evansb 12th June 2007, 15:19 Sorry for the delay gentlemen. It is indeed a twin-engine, so it is not an AV-8A, nor the Fiat G.91. It is much newer than the F-101 Voodoo. It is comparable to a Soko J-22 Orao.
Speedpig 12th June 2007, 19:46 Aha, then it must be an IAR-93 "Vultur"
Speedpig 12th June 2007, 19:55 Rapidly losing faith in that guess though...
Kitbag 12th June 2007, 19:57 I was leaning towards the Shenyang Q5M with radar and western avionics installed
evansb 12th June 2007, 21:32 Sorry, not the IAR-93, nor the Shenyang Q5M. The mystery aircraft was jointly developed by two large corporations. It evolved from an earlier two-seater design.
ICT_SLB 13th June 2007, 04:24 Northrop F-20 Tigershark? Derived from the T-38 and the precursor to the YF-17 & F-18.
evansb 13th June 2007, 05:47 ICT_SLB Sorry, not the F-20 Tigershark. The mystery aircraft was not built in the United States. Only 77 were produced, and the type was withdrawn from active service in 2005. Here is a look at its cannon:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/20mmCannon.jpg
innuendo 13th June 2007, 06:29 Made in Israel???
evansb 13th June 2007, 06:34 innuendo Sorry, not made in Israel.
Akubra 13th June 2007, 09:55 Mitsubishi F1 Maybe?
Is that a M61 20mm?
MReyn24050 13th June 2007, 11:31 Akubra Hope you have one ready :)
Mel
evansb 13th June 2007, 15:28 Akubra has it:ok: Well done:D The Mitsubishi F-1 was jointly developed with Fuji Heavy Industries to design Japan's first domestically produced fighter aircraft since World War II. Based on the Mitsubishi T-2 supersonic trainer, it was a totally Japanese effort, although it bears a superficial resemblance to the SEPECAT Jaguar.
Rare F-1 video with Led Zeppelin sound track:
www.patricksaviation.com/videos/malakas/1856/ (http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/malakas/1856/)
As noted by a keen-eyed ppruner, the F-1 in the video has a one-piece windscreen. The photo posted has a braced screen like a T-2 trainer. I've researched the photo from two Japanese sources and it confirms the original photo posted is a F-1, not a T-2. I was able to source a photo of a T-2 with a single-piece windscreen as well. The line drawing was sourced from Jane's Aircraft Recognition Guide, 1999. The photo below also shows a braced windscreen.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/f-1.jpghttp://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/f1_d1.gif
Akubra 13th June 2007, 17:09 Heres the next one. Good luck all!
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/wcp1.jpg
MReyn24050 13th June 2007, 21:27 Four engines, mid to end 1930s. Wild guess, Blohm & Voss Ha139 perhaps?
Akubra 13th June 2007, 22:41 MReyn24050.
Yes on the four engines but sorry, this craft was flying in a different decade.
Kitbag 13th June 2007, 23:20 Lot of glass up there, Boeing Stratocruiser?
MReyn24050 13th June 2007, 23:36 Looks as though it has a tricycle U/C. Era 1940-50s. Perhaps the Consolidated B-32?
pigboat 14th June 2007, 00:44 Lockheed Constitution?
evansb 14th June 2007, 04:12 pigboat, as I know this one, and as Akubra may be off-line, I can tell you it is not the Lockheed Constitution.
Akubra 14th June 2007, 10:33 Clue:
It was a record holder for a number of years.
evansb, Please feel free to confirm a correct guess.
I will try to pop in and check when I can.
Tiger_mate 14th June 2007, 11:10 Is it a flying boat?
Akubra 14th June 2007, 11:17 It wasn't a flying boat, but Mel was correct in assuming it had tricycle gear.
Kitbag 14th June 2007, 13:38 Going East, how about the Tu95?
MReyn24050 14th June 2007, 14:15 Consolidated C-87 Liberator Express. Record? C-87A 41-24159 later became the first "Air Force One" for President Franklin Roosevelt, and was renamed *Guess Where II* perhaps?
Akubra 14th June 2007, 15:30 Nope, but I sure would like to see it anyway. :)
Akubra 14th June 2007, 15:51 Kitbag, "Head West"
MReyn24050 14th June 2007, 20:17 Convair (Consolidated Vultee) 104 Liberator-Liner perhaps? Or is the USA too far west?
evansb 14th June 2007, 20:45 Sorry, Mel, it is not a Consolidated (Convair) 104 Liberator-Liner.
MReyn24050 14th June 2007, 21:03 Next try the Douglas XB-19. I think I have got there in the end.:)
evansb 14th June 2007, 21:53 Mel is correct.:ok: The gigantic Douglas XB-19 heavy bomber.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/b-19upper.jpg
MReyn24050 14th June 2007, 22:41 Thank you Bri and thank you Akubra that was a great challenge. This one is I am sure very much easier.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz70a.jpg
Mel
Akubra 14th June 2007, 22:45 Well done Mel!:ok:
Kitbag 14th June 2007, 23:05 It has the look of a prewar airliner, so Handley Page HP 42?
MReyn24050 14th June 2007, 23:27 kitbag you have it.Well Done :D:ok:It is the Handley Page H.P.42
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/HandleyPageHP42.jpg
You have control.
Kitbag 15th June 2007, 00:02 Oops, that was a bit unexpected, I thought we would be off for one of your world tours as usual:} TVM Mel
I have nothing prepared, so its first come first served
MReyn24050 15th June 2007, 00:16 :)Well I did say it would be easy :):)
MReyn24050 15th June 2007, 00:35 This one perhaps is not so easy, I am sorry that there are no instruments in this photograph but there are some clues there.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz270.jpg
asw28-866 15th June 2007, 10:32 bf 108 taufin or the garlic odoured nord equivilent?
Kitbag 15th June 2007, 12:23 Percival Provost- the one with a fan on the front?
Tiger_mate 15th June 2007, 12:56 Blackburn Skua
MReyn24050 15th June 2007, 13:50 Gentlemen.
This one is not the bf 108 taufin neither is it a piston or turbine powered Percival Provost. It is also not a Blackburn Skua.
asw28-866 was correct when he said it had a whiff of garlic odoured nord equivalent about it.
Kitbag 15th June 2007, 17:43 Socata Rallye?
MReyn24050 15th June 2007, 18:25 Not the Socata Rallye, sorry.
Mel
On-MarkBob 15th June 2007, 22:32 interesting layout, the big hole in the middle would suggest a big gyro blind fling panel similar to the DC3 and the primer knobs also look american. I looks as if it could be a twin even despite the funny throttle controls. So:-
Is it American? is it a twin? is it DC3 age? is it a Martin of some sort?
MReyn24050 15th June 2007, 23:28 Is it American? is it a twin? is it DC3 age? is it a Martin of some sort?
It is not American and therefore not a Martin.
It is not a twin.
It is after the DC3 age.
Mel
asw28-866 15th June 2007, 23:32 Nord 1201 Norecrin? Was baffled in my first guess by the apparant nose wheel bay in lower firewall.
MReyn24050 15th June 2007, 23:44 asw28-866 has it. Well done :D:ok:. It is the Nord 1201 Norecrin.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Nord1201Norecrin.jpg
You have control
Mel
Tiger_mate 16th June 2007, 00:01 It never ceases to amaze me how many aeroplanes appear here that I have never heard of, and I would consider myself a middle aged aeroplane anorak!
It looks like a pregnant Chipmunk!
windriver 16th June 2007, 00:53 With apologies to tigermate....
It never ceases to amaze me how many aeroplanes appear here that I have never heard of, and I would consider myself a middle aged aeroplane anorak!
It looks like a pregnant Chipmunk!
evansb 16th June 2007, 01:11 Are Tiger_mate and windriver one and the same?
MReyn24050 16th June 2007, 01:38 Another "Pregnant Chipmunk"
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/N1201.jpg
asw28-866 16th June 2007, 07:50 Phew,not often I score amongst the august company here. I had no idea what a Nord 1201 was either, but was fairly convinced there was a lot of Me108 in the picture! The next challenge is taken from the Flight Manual of an aircraft I am currently working on to get airworthy this year!
Regards '866'
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/panelpicture.jpg
rodthesod 16th June 2007, 07:56 With all due respect it looks nothing like a Chipmunk - DHC built a beautiful tailwheel aeroplane that was well harmonised and a delight to fly. This is ugly with a shape that seems to have evolved correctively, has a strange protruberance just below the engine, and probably didn't fly very well either.
rant over, rts
windriver 16th June 2007, 20:36 Are Tiger_mate and windriver one and the same? No ....
But Tiger_mate's comment
"It never ceases to amaze me how many aeroplanes appear here that I have never heard of, and I would consider myself a middle aged aeroplane anorak!"
Took the words right out of my keyboard. :D
MReyn24050 16th June 2007, 21:37 The Douglas T4-4B Sky Hawk perhaps?
windriver 16th June 2007, 23:18 Wild wild guess.... Russian.... MiG 21?
asw28-866 16th June 2007, 23:48 MReyn24050, no not the Skyhawk but it is single engined.
Windriver, not the Mig21 but this a/c is Eastern in origin.
More recent than both the A4 and Mig21 this a/c first flew in 1968.
windriver 17th June 2007, 00:26 Aero L-39 Albatros ?
asw28-866 17th June 2007, 11:51 Windriver has it. The aircraft in question is the Aero Vodochody L39C two seat jet trainer and light attack aircraft:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/l39.jpg
Windriver, you have control
windriver 17th June 2007, 12:28 It was the RSBN reference that gave me the clue...
asw28-866 You said - "I am currently working on to get airworthy this year!" - Looks like an interesting project.. all the best with the engineering.
Here's the next challenge...
http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/89t2.jpg
MReyn24050 17th June 2007, 13:43 I will start the ball rolling. Could it be a Bristol-Prier Monoplane circa 1911?
windriver 17th June 2007, 13:48 No sorry... Not the Bristol-Prier
MReyn24050 17th June 2007, 15:26 I am certain it is a monoplane so my next try is it is perhaps a Blackburn Single seat Monoplane.
seacue 17th June 2007, 15:29 My guess is Antoinette monoplane.
windriver 17th June 2007, 16:04 Sorry seacue... I can see the resemblance, but
MReyn24050's Blackburn Monoplane gets it...:ok:
http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/bb.gif
You have control MReyn24050.
MReyn24050 17th June 2007, 16:33 Thanks windriver. Here is the next one, a nice easy one for a Sunday afternoon.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz262.jpg
Mel
pigboat 17th June 2007, 17:44 Time for a WAG. Armstrong-Whitworth Apollo.
Captain to co-pilot: These are my throttles, get your own throttles. :p
MReyn24050 17th June 2007, 18:02 Not the Armstrong-Whitworth Apollo I am afraid.
asw28-866 17th June 2007, 23:57 I want to say Avro Ashton, but we've already had that!
Tiger_mate 18th June 2007, 00:17 Mel did say at the time that he had the 'inside' of an Ashton, and looking at the framework, you could be right.
windriver 18th June 2007, 00:17 HPR3 Herald - 4 x Leonides
asw28-866 18th June 2007, 00:31 Tiger mate, yes it's the framing that got me and not enough levers for a piston a/c. Is your nom de plume DH82a related or some other tiger?
'866'
MReyn24050 18th June 2007, 01:04 asw28-866 has it:ok:. It is the Avro Ashton Mk1 and the instrument panel of WB490. Tiger_mate published the outside of the cockpit a few weeks ago.
You have control asw28-866.
asw28-866 18th June 2007, 01:22 Another of my offices! Shouldn't last long:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/panel.jpg
'866'
jabberwok 18th June 2007, 05:02 Looks Piperish but not an Aztec or Navajo.. Aerostar?
asw28-866 18th June 2007, 06:07 Sorry Jabberwok, not 'piperish' of any description.
Tiger_mate 18th June 2007, 07:57 Is your nom de plume DH82a related or some other tiger?
The sort that has rather large teeth and meets up at a NATO base once or twice a year.
T_M
Jets are for kids
windriver 18th June 2007, 09:37 Ted Smith Aerostar -
No I`ve changed my mind.. BN Islander
asw28-866 18th June 2007, 09:50 Not Ted Smith's Aerostar, Windriver
windriver 18th June 2007, 09:51 Just edited to BN Islander?
asw28-866 18th June 2007, 10:10 Windriver has is, the BN2 'Bongo' it is:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/bongo.jpg
Windriver, you have control
windriver 18th June 2007, 11:11 I don`t have the list to hand so it's possible the challenge type may have already featured in What Cockpit...
http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/89h7.jpg
Kitbag 18th June 2007, 13:41 At a guess- a ground rig meant to simulate some aspects of the HP Victor cockpit or systems.
windriver 18th June 2007, 13:47 Not the Victor Kitbag ... but your reasoning is sound.
Kitbag 18th June 2007, 14:10 Well its not a Vulcan, so...Vickers Valiant? Looking at the shoulder patches of some of the observers I don't think they are regulars, anyone else thoughts on that?
MReyn24050 18th June 2007, 14:16 Control yoke looks similar to the Scottish Twin Pioneer so perhaps a Ground Rig for the Twin Pin
windriver 18th June 2007, 14:40 Not the Twin Pin... or the Valiant. - The personnel are RCAF.
MReyn24050 18th June 2007, 15:17 DHC-4 Caribou Ground Rig perhaps?
windriver 18th June 2007, 16:17 Not the DHC4 - The personnel are RCAF, bu the aircraft is British
Kitbag 18th June 2007, 16:20 DH 106 Comet
windriver 18th June 2007, 17:37 Yes it's the Comet :ok:
http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/wc-comet.jpg
From an Air Clues Article January 1953 - The What Cockpit challenge image showed the mockup at the DH Technical School.
You have control Kitbag.
Kitbag 18th June 2007, 17:49 Thanks windriver.
To keep things moving, if I haven't put something on by 19:00, you know what to do :cool:
evansb 18th June 2007, 22:00 As Mel would say, here is a nice easy one.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3047213125.jpg
Kitbag 19th June 2007, 00:03 A W Armadillo?
evansb 19th June 2007, 00:43 Ah, no. Never heard of a W Armadillo.
Kitbag 19th June 2007, 07:20 Not a W Armadillo, an Armstrong Whitworth Armadillo!
Anyway, just noticed, it looks like someone has been at the label at the top centre of the instrument panel. The shape is reminiscent of the Fairey company logo but I don't think it is one of their products. Anyone else prepared to have a go?
VitaminGee 19th June 2007, 10:39 Whilst I find this thread hugely entertaining, I don't normally have a clue. However, there seems to be another wing above - i.e a triplane - the Sopwith perhaps?
evansb 19th June 2007, 14:23 Sorry, VitaminGee, not a Sopwith. The aircraft in question was produced more than 10 years after the Triplane.
MReyn24050 19th June 2007, 18:05 Breguet 19 perhaps?
evansb 19th June 2007, 18:22 Sorry, Mel, not a Breguet 19. Not French.
Kitbag 19th June 2007, 20:42 Is this a racing seaplane?
evansb 19th June 2007, 21:11 It is not a seaplane, but it is a racer type, with cross-country capabilities.
MReyn24050 19th June 2007, 22:10 I will go for the Curtiss R2C-1
evansb 19th June 2007, 22:51 Not a Curtiss R2C-1, but similar configuration.
MReyn24050 19th June 2007, 23:45 I must be getting old, I thought I had seen this cockpit layout before. It is a Laird LC-DW-500.
evansb 20th June 2007, 00:41 Mel is correct.:ok: Well done.:D It is the Thompson and Bendix Trophy award winning Laird Super Solution LC DW-500. Flown by Jimmy Doolittle in 1931.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/LAIRDlogo.gifhttp://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Laird20Super20Solution20Replica-4.jpg
MReyn24050 20th June 2007, 12:35 Thanks Bri. Here is the next one.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz271.jpg
evansb 20th June 2007, 17:31 Eastern European, early post-World War II?
MReyn24050 20th June 2007, 17:50 Eastern European, early post-World War II? Yes to both questions.
evansb 20th June 2007, 20:48 Is it a LWD Junak2 or Zuch2?
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/LWDaerobatic.jpg
asw28-866 20th June 2007, 22:16 Is it the Ikarus Aero-2?
MReyn24050 20th June 2007, 22:29 Bri has it it is a LWD Zuch 2:D:ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Zuch-2.jpg
You have control.
evansb 20th June 2007, 22:59 Thanks Mel. I was uncertain as to the model as the canopy fenestrations appear identical. A source also indicated some Junak2s as having tricycle gear and some having tail-dragger gear.
Here is the next What Cockpit?
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3059450.jpg
MReyn24050 20th June 2007, 23:50 Bri. I won't jump in on this one yet. Please check PMs
Mel
windriver 21st June 2007, 10:26 It has the look of a de Havilland... Leopard Moth?
MReyn24050 21st June 2007, 11:01 Windriver, she is not a De Havilland Aircraft, you can just see at the top right hand corner the Townend ring of a radial engine.
Mel
asw28-866 21st June 2007, 11:46 wild stab in the dark, Klemm Eagle?
evansb 21st June 2007, 13:03 Sorry asw28-866, not a Klemm. Try farther west.
Here is another view of the same aircraft type. The instrument panel is not as original, however.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/yellowBird.jpg
jabberwok 21st June 2007, 18:07 Airspeed Courier?
Or are we crossing the pond?
MReyn24050 21st June 2007, 18:15 It does come from across the pond.
windriver 22nd June 2007, 11:42 Cessna AW?
evansb 22nd June 2007, 13:10 Sorry, not a Cessna. The manufacturer was certainly a rival of Cessna. The design was a departure from what the company usually produced.
windriver 22nd June 2007, 14:09 Bellanca J-300 ?
evansb 22nd June 2007, 14:30 Sorry, not a Bellanca.
pigboat 22nd June 2007, 15:33 Aeronca L ?
windriver 22nd June 2007, 15:39 Travel Air A-6000 ?
evansb 22nd June 2007, 15:43 pigboat is spot on.:ok: Well done.:D It is an Aeronca LC, of 66 built, only 3 are believed airworthy.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/AeroncaLCyellow.jpg
evansb 22nd June 2007, 23:48 Does anyone have a cockpit photo to post?
windriver 23rd June 2007, 00:53 In the immortal words of Mel... Here's an easy one.
http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/a7.jpg
evansb 23rd June 2007, 16:20 How many were built?
windriver 23rd June 2007, 17:21 The only figure I have for the number built is 40. (Not including any military variants)
evansb 24th June 2007, 15:47 Twin engined, retracting undercarriage, basic IFR panel, English labels.
The magnetic compass looks to be of European origin.
windriver 24th June 2007, 18:34 Not European.. It's from across the pond.
The article from which the challenge picture was taken is concerned with the comparison between the challenge aircraft and a rival machine, namely the Boeing 247.
evansb 24th June 2007, 19:35 Curtiss Condor.
windriver 24th June 2007, 20:40 Correct evansb - The Curtiss-Wright Condor 1933 :ok:
http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/cwc.jpg
You have control..
evansb 24th June 2007, 21:00 Thanks windriver. I enjoyed the research. I've been looking for a photo of the Condor's cockpit for quite some time. Here is the next cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3082970556.jpg
pigboat 24th June 2007, 23:43 Gulfstream cockpit, the G2 Space Shuttle simulator?
evansb 25th June 2007, 02:18 pigboat is correct.:ok: It is NASA's Grumman Gulfstream III modified left-seat space shuttle active simulator.
Will you post the next cockpit photo? If not, please advise. :)
pigboat 25th June 2007, 02:38 Go ahead and post another, please, evansb. All the cockpit photos I had have already been posted.
The parking brake, panic panel and control lock lever are dead give-aways for Gulfstream drivers. ;)
windriver 25th June 2007, 10:54 The parking brake, panic panel and control lock lever are dead give-aways for Gulfstream drivers.... I thought it looked familiar...
Here's one to be going on with... According the list it hasn`t been featured, but as the caption information available to me is limited to its popular name and operator it's just possible it has.
http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/b78d.jpg
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