Aircrew Imprest back to rates.

[Northern Circuit]

Never was a 2 tier Air Force was it?

[pigsinspace]

imprest is not just for "aircrew" it is for anyone who flies as part of the crew be they svc, supernumary or staff seats, ie GE, movers etc, even the Admin clerk klingon is give money from the imprest.

[QFIhawkman]

I think that Northern Circuit may have been hinting that if this was an issue that did not affect aircrew, it would not have been so speedily resolved (if at all).

If that was the gist, then I think he's probably right.

[mayorofgander]

I think that Northern Circuit may have been hinting that if this was an issue that did not affect aircrew, it would not have been so speedily resolved (if at all).

If that was the gist, then I think he's probably right.

Ermm...it affected blunties too!!
Ask the staff in the FSI office ref their workload since April.

Tissues available Princess(es)

MOG

[Twopack]

Well yes it does affect aircrew but the reason for it changing is not entirely aircrew-driven (as if mere aircrew had the power to do that;) )

It has been changed because the accountants simply can't cope with the huge amounts of paperwork and receipts that were generated. The system was inefficient and unauditable from their point of view.

So Northern Circuit is correct; it's not a 2 tier Air Force!

[Banana Boy]

We all know that the capped actuals are a pain for everyone, including the auditors.

Any idea why we have limited the return to rates to FSIs only? Why did sense not prevail across the subsistence board?

[enginesuck]

So this is what I want to know being a bluntie and all that..... If i go on det as groundcrew with norman nimrod, do i get rates or do i get actuals.....???

(havent the foggiest what a FSI is):ugh:

Thanks in advance.....

[Yeller_Gait]

The change in the letter dated 21 Sep only applies to small FSIs (<£10k), so the big strike command exercises and dets are still subject to the capped actuals/receipt based bull that we have had to put up with for the last 5 months.

IF they, HQ P&TC, really wanted to remove the administrative burden, it is the larger exercises they should be concentrating on, for they are the ones that cause the admin personnel the most grief.

I re-iterate my post from a while ago that when on det you should just be paid a flat rate for the country you are, JPA and everyone else should know that you are there, and for how long. The admin personnnel set the rates for the various countries so should have no excuse for being over-budget at the end of the year. No auditing or paperwork required!!!

Y_G

[Vortex_Generator]

So, having accepted that the new system is flawed, the solution is to partially re-introduce the old system whilst still retaining the new flawed system. Utterly brilliant!!!!!!:}

[Jobza Guddun]

Just once, just...once.....

why can't somebody who has been responsible for a shambles, just stand up and say they got it wrong, take the hit and fix the problem properly. :ugh: Then again I suppose integrity and senior rank don't sit easily together do they? :rolleyes:

[R 21]

They couldnt possible admit they where wrong. They would then have to spend millions more pounds sorting out the previous faff and then it would still probably not be right because we employ MUPPETS!!!

:ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

[mayorofgander]

There are only 2 things that have actually changed...

1. No need for receipts on an overseas imprest.
2. The 24 hour per rate issue rule.

So what if you fly a succession of 6 hr flights with min ground time. In four days, you will have had 5 stops, but you are only entitled to 4 rates!!
OK so far....but what if one night is on base????

Food (or not) for thought!!!!

MOG

[TheInquisitor]

Not entirely true - we now get to keep the full rate as issued, as per the old system, regardless of how it's spent.

We're actually one up on the old system, as you no longer need to be on the ground during specific artificial 'meal times' in order to get a rate. And under the old system, you couldn't get issued more than one particular meal rate in any 24hr period anyway, so I can't see the 'one per 24hrs' thing being too much of a incumbrance.

As for the comments suggesting this is just 'aircrew whinging and getting their own way", do you REALLY think that if the capped actuals system WASN'T a major pain in the arse for the blunties as well, that anything would have changed?

[donardboy]

It amazes me that individuals are still bleating notwithstanding we are now back where we wanted. There have been a number of changes from the old system in our favour. As previously mentioned no meal times so you get your rate as long as you do the time on the ground. Remeber when you are not on the ground you are provided with in-flight (thats not to say in-flight is adequate). Using Mayor of Gander's (MOG) example if you are the ground for only six hours and get a full rate how the hell can you spend your rates whilst airborne. Remember also that those guys who live in and pay food charges will get their missed meal payments for the whole trip and don't have to be on the ground during meal times as they no longer play a part whilst calculating entitlements.

Stop whingeing guys and be thankful that we have been listened to !!!

[donardboy]

Read it again: Stop F*****g whingeing (As Ms Tait would say "WHATEVER")

[mayorofgander]

Stop F*****g whingeing (As Ms Tait would say "WHATEVER")

Hmm, Banter alarm activated...Whoop, Whoop.:\

Inquisitor;

Got 4 meals once on a ground stop. Arrived at 2230L....left at 1800L the next day. Got Din/PIE/BF/Lunch/Din. City rate too!!!:ok:
I realise that this is an exception and that 95% of the time the 24 hr thing won't come into play....

Later;
MOG

[castle_view]

Has anyone else heard the latest edict from Strike Command about capped actuals whilst on det; it goes something like this ......

On large dets the DAO now has Strike Command authority (apparently) to only issue 75% of entitled rates, that is 75% of subsistance and 75% of incidental expenses. Doing this also absolves the recipient of the need to provide receipts for meals etc, and therefore all money issued is yours to do with what you like. This also makes life easier for the imprest officer who can now close off their imprest without trying to collect lots of receipts from everyone.

The other option we were given by the imprest officer was to not have any more money from them, but make a claim for recovery of the money through JPA.

This whole idea of 75% rates has not gone down very well here, indeed it brings back memories of the 75% rates for NCO's, only now it appears that it is 75% for EVERYONE.

I would be most grateful if someone could confirm that Strike have issued such a letter, I cannot remember seeing anything about it in JSP 752.

Any comments anyone?

Castle