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sense1
29th Aug 2006, 18:37
I'm talking about Trident! :hmm:

The issue of replacing the nations' nuclear detterent is one that will become ever more important over the next few months/years. The pundits have predicted the cost of a successor at anywhere between £10 - £20 Billion.

That is an astronomical amount of money by anyones standards - indeed it would almost get you a whole F-22 Raptor! :}

I am interested in gauging the opinion of all you ppruners out there as to whether investing this many Billions in continuing to be a nuclear power is worth all that dosh?!

I personally think that Britain should continue to maintain nuclear weapons - especially considering the current state of affairs in this big bad world of ours.

However, just think what £15 Billion could get you in your shopping cart..... a combination of more C-17s, CH-47s, bucket loads more Storm Shadows & Tomahawks, Predator Bs and a Canberra replacement, a decent number of AAR assets, as well as financing the future of projects such as CVF, Type 45 and FRES.

Wow, wouldn't that be nice! My big assumption here is that if the Trident successor wasn't purchased, that any money 'saved' would ever make it anywhere near the defence budget!

But still, is maintaining the nuclear detterent a sensible investment in this day and age? Or should the government opt to be a non-nuclear power, but with conventional armed forces that are properly equiped for the job?!

Sense1

cazatou
29th Aug 2006, 18:41
A Suggestion:

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PS Sorry - Bad Hair day!!

Navaleye
29th Aug 2006, 18:43
I'm in favour of a stretched Astute class with a small Trident missile compartment fitted with perhaps 4 missiles with 10 MIRVs each. Four of those would give a very useful dual purpose capability. The RN can no longer justify single role SSBNs. Cruise missiles can be shot down and take too long to arrive at their targets and so are not credible at a strategic level.

The Helpful Stacker
29th Aug 2006, 18:44
Just how much does a bucket of instant sunshine need to be 'modernised'?

Navaleye
29th Aug 2006, 18:48
Apparently they go off if not given regular TLC. I can't imagine what would cause that :zzz: :mad:

Lone Kestrel
29th Aug 2006, 20:01
Like all deterrents, it is only good if the other side believe that we will use it – I am not sure that we would have the balls even if we were nuked first (maintain the moral high ground etc)!!! Therefore, I say get ride of it and spend the money on something that we will use.

althenick
29th Aug 2006, 20:15
The RN can no longer justify single role SSBN's
...I think if you spoke to a few Matelots they may agree with you, However I would personally like to see the SSBN's converted to SSGN's and and the RAF get a nuclear tipped Stand off Weapon and Platform to deploy it. It would give the RN a covert insertion capability and the RAF a decent Long range strike platform. Flexibility is the key.

Brewster Buffalo
29th Aug 2006, 21:17
............., I say get rid of it and spend the money on something that we will use.

I do think any power that has acquired nuclear weapons has ever given them up...reduced the numbers yes but never given them up...

"Britain will maintain fewer than 200 operationally available warheads"

according to 1998 defence review..

Polikarpov
29th Aug 2006, 21:59
...reduced the numbers yes but never given them up...

The South Africans gave their nuclear weapons up in the 1990s. Nukes that could have been dropped from the Bucc, no less!

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction):

South Africa developed a small finite deterrence arsenal of gun-type fission weapons in the 1980s. Six were constructed and another was under construction at the time the program ended.

None of the six bombs were particularly sophisticated, being designed to be delivered from one of the aircraft types then in service with the South African Air Force, presumed to have been either the Buccaneer or Cheetah D.

However, South Africa had a relatively sophisticated intercontinental ballistic missile programme running concurrently with the nuclear programme, and was known to be working on more sophisticated nuclear weapons capable of delivery from such a platform. According to published data one of the missiles, the RSA-4, may have been capable of delivering a 700 kg nuclear warhead from its South African launch site to any point on earth.

WE Branch Fanatic
30th Aug 2006, 16:13
Apparently they go off if not given regular TLC. I can't imagine what would cause that

The Tritium decays.

See some other threads:

RAF pushing to take over nuclear deterrent (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=133423&highlight=trident)

Is Trident a sensible way to spend £20 Billion? (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=196510&highlight=trident)

UK Future Deterrent (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=216493)

Trident to carry on (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=231546)

But I can't help thinking LK is right.........

ORAC
30th Aug 2006, 16:49
Science based stockpile stewardship. (http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-53/iss-12/p44.html)