AAITC

[rock_dove]

Has anyone here recently undergone the 'new style' AAITC at Cranwell? I have been for the Briefs and presentations etc at the AFCO regarding applying for NCA WSOP, and I have, as I am sure some of you may have noted by my previous posts, Been in the mob before. I am asking because I would like to find out just how difficult the course is, what is involved in the course, what the fail rate is and the like. Before I upset the serving NCA I will state that the difficulty or otherwise of the course will not deter me from applying, but I would like to, should I be successful, hit the ground running and go forewarned into the situation. Cheers, RD

[samuraimatt]

what the fail rate is and the like. RD

Why do you want to know what the fail rate is.

[rock_dove]

Why do you want to know what the fail rate is.

Because it is a gauge of the difficulty of the course?! As I said in my original post, The Difficulty of the course would not put me off, but I am just interested to see how difficult the course is, forewarned is forearmed after all!

[samuraimatt]

Well, surely you don't expect the course to be easy. Just go there and do your best. You will be given the required training and if you do not meet the standards then at least you have given it a shot.

Have you actually got a date for a course?

[rock_dove]

Well, surely you don't expect the course to be easy. Just go there and do your best. You will be given the required training and if you do not meet the standards then at least you have given it a shot.

Have you actually got a date for a course?

Of course I dont expect the course to be easy, bear in mind that I have been in the RAF before as a 'Ground Trade' and have a grasp of the intensity involved in such courses. My aim was to find out some finer details of what is involved in the training from people who have recently gone through the system. I do not have a date for a course as I have not yet attended OASC, and therefore have not been accepted to begin training.

edited because of Ranting.

[rock_dove]

Do you have your GCSE Maths sorted yet?

Yeah mate, doing the course now, dont envisage any problems with it, just more of an embuggerance than anything else:rolleyes:

[samuraimatt]

Yeah mate, doing the course now, dont envisage any problems with it, just more of an embuggerance than anything else:rolleyes:

Surely you need to concentrate on getting the correct qualifications before worrying how hard AAITC is. Like me you haven't even been accepted into training yet. If and when you are accepted, just like me, then is the time to conectrate on the AAITC. Gosh next you will be asking how hard the OCU's are.:hmm:

[nutmeg]

It was much harder in my day!!!!

[Avtur]

Rock,

Suggest you pass your maths first, then concentrate on the things you will need to do to pass OASC before worrying about how hard the course is.

However, to answer your question; the course is designed to asses your ability to assume the rank of Sgt and to lead and work effectively as part of a flying crew. It is therefore a necessarily demanding course, which weeds out the people who cant lead, are jack gits and who fail to demonstrate the personal qualities required to be aircrew. Physical fitness plays a major role, having a very positive attitude and an ability to bite ones lip is crucial. The failure rate is irrelevant; if you dont give your best you will be rumbled and fail. Give your all, and you will pass. Quite simple really.

Good luck with the maths.

[BluntM8]

Surely you need to concentrate on getting the correct qualifications before worrying how hard AAITC is. Like me you haven't even been accepted into training yet. If and when you are accepted, just like me, then is the time to conectrate on the AAITC. Gosh next you will be asking how hard the OCU's are.:hmm:

I think you need to sort your attitude out, mate. Rock Dove asked a reasonable question (and well written, which is a nice change) and your responses have come across as arrogant and obstructive. If you can't help the guy and haven't anything useful to say, keep your mouth shut.

[charliegolf]

Rock

I used to be on the staff of the course, pre Cranwell, and also did the course myself. (93 Cse!)

There is a temptation to 'assess the odds'- I did certainly. But it's not a game of chance- you're good enough or you're not.

What I can tell you is that as many will jack it in as will fail; and there won't be any quotas.

Being very fit will be the single best prep you can do. It offloads you to cope with the bull**** that's part of the plan they have for you.

Good luck.

CG

PS I'd have the Maths in my back pocket first. If you enquire prior to passing, you'll have a question over you from the start. Just my 2p.

[rock_dove]

Surely you need to concentrate on getting the correct qualifications before worrying how hard AAITC is. Like me you haven't even been accepted into training yet. If and when you are accepted, just like me, then is the time to conectrate on the AAITC. Gosh next you will be asking how hard the OCU's are.:hmm:

I think that coming from someone that has absolutely ZERO experience of ANY aspect of the RAF that you are making some comments above your station. I dont appreciate your patronising comments and would request that you keep your civillian opinions away from this thread. My qualifications or lack of have got little to do with my line of questioning, but as I have noticed with some other people on here with no Military Experience you feel like you are in some sort of position to offer your advice. For someone that is asking advice about a career as RAF Movs Op I feel you are ill placed to judge me or my questions. Good day to you Sir.

[rock_dove]

CharlieGolf and Avtur. I thank you for your comments and indeed have taken on board the requirement to pass the maths first, but like I indicated in one of my posts, i am confident that the passing of the maths course will be just a formality. I ask questions such as the ones posted as I am in the process of seeking as much information on NCA related matters as I can. I appreciate the replies and thank you for your advice on the subject, like I say any (constructive, knowledgeable) advice will be gratefully recieved (take note SM).
Many thanks Gents, RD

[samuraimatt]

I think that coming from someone that has absolutely ZERO experience of ANY aspect of the RAF that you are making some comments above your station. I dont appreciate your patronising comments and would request that you keep your civillian opinions away from this thread. My qualifications or lack of have got little to do with my line of questioning, but as I have noticed with some other people on here with no Military Experience you feel like you are in some sort of position to offer your advice. For someone that is asking advice about a career as RAF Movs Op I feel you are ill placed to judge me or my questions. Good day to you Sir.
Sorry about the mix up Rock. I didn't realise that you are a serving Airman applying for NCA. Please accept my appologies as a humble Civvy. Can I ask you, what trade you are presently in? As for applying for Mov ops, will I do the tests at OASC when I visit next month. I didn't realise that you could get Comissioned into the Movements Branch direct. I thought that all Movs Officers came from the Supply Branch. Still never mind.

[rock_dove]

Sorry about the mix up Rock. I didn't realise that you are a serving Airman applying for NCA. Please accept my appologies as a humble Civvy. Can I ask you, what trade you are presently in? As for applying for Mov ops, will I do the tests at OASC when I visit next month. I didn't realise that you could get Comissioned into the Movements Branch direct. I thought that all Movs Officers came from the Supply Branch. Still never mind.

I am Ex CIS Specialist (TCO in old money) but that is irrelevant. Be I Ex Airman, Serving Airman or Direct Entrant you should not speak to people in the manner you have adopted, a fact you will have to rapidly adjust to should you ever be fortunate enough to be selected for any Branch or Trade within the RAF. Despite all that I wish you luck with your application for whichever trade you decide upon. RD

[Always_broken_in_wilts]

RD,
Get fit dude but not just running fit. Upper body strength is vital and you will need it for carrying pine poles, heavy bergans etc etc on the seemingly pointless up hill and down dale excercises you are given whilst out "camping", but if you can get it into your head that they are designed to determine your level of comittment you will be able to grin and bear it:ok:

I did and I was a knackered old sh1t aged 30 when I went through:O

all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced

PS Ignore the civvy bedwetter as the hardest thing "she" will ever have done is a paper round:E

[rock_dove]

RD,
Get fit dude but not just running fit. Upper body strength is vital and you will need it for carrying pine poles, heavy bergans etc etc on the seemingly pointless up hill and down dale excercises you are given whilst out "camping", but if you can get it into your head that they are designed to determine your level of comittment you will be able to grin and bear it:ok:

I did and I was a knackered old sh1t aged 30 when I went through:O

all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced

PS Ignore the civvy bedwetter as the hardest thing "she" will ever have done is a paper round:E

Cheers Wilts, thats the kind of stuff I was looking for. And as for the silly boy/girl, he/she has resorted to private messaging me now with WSOP entry requirements. I pity him/her!:rolleyes:

[nutmeg]

ABIW,

What upper body training have you done lately, I saw no evidence when we met in the camel's toe recently. In fairness, your pecs were in good shape!!! Shame you can't make it to sofa's do on Thursday.

[Always_broken_in_wilts]

Are you seriously suggesting I have saggy man breasts:O B@stard!!

Was supposed to be on a 4 week sabatical to the sandpit but now on a TAC course.......................which I am way tooooo old for but it is pots of fun:)

Mr C and I will no doubt share a beer or two at another time to celebrate his passing from the dark side, just please ensure you get him suitably scoofed on thursday.

Cheers and beers from Chippenham:)

all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced

[Vim_Fuego]

Just as an add on to ABIW's comments...Do all the prep you can and you'll feel better about yourself and more confident prior to your arrival however...
The course is there as a filter for them and achievement opportunity for you...You will run and clean and parade and brief and so on but if you are not looking tired/stretched/tested they will just up the ante and they know (pretty much) if you are hood-winking them...
I got fit and did as much as I could but was still anxious before starting...Once I embraced the fact that it was going to hurt in parts and got my head down I really enjoyed it and loved the fitness levels I acheived...
Depending which way you go the biggest worry comes after that bit mate.....

P.S. I was a 27 year old ex sumpy..

P.P.S. You are welcome to pm for more detailed info!