The Home of Photos in Dunnunda! Mk I

[tinpis]

You will need a carbon tax green smoke licence to run one here shortly.
Thats after you have paid for a tank full of green ethanol carbon free green-gas at $500 a litre
Remember what life was like 18 months ago in Oz fullas?
Hang on to yer memories.:(

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

http://www.fototime.com/0CC3823FE9B6ADE/standard.jpg

Where is the Mad Dr today?

Dr :8

[PyroTek]

Somewhere in the US?
I'm going to take a random stab.. pearl harbour?
Reno?

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

What's the story Pyro? D'ya pee the bed?

Dr :8

PS: Not the USA.

[BSD]

Forky old pal,

I bet you are at Duxford!

Welcome to dear old blighty if you are,

BSD.

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

BSD - no, I was not at Duxford!

Well, I guess you are technically correct. I was standing on the bridge over the canal at Cambridge (where the punts are) when I took the pic!

The aircraft were operating out of Duxford though.

The B17 is the one that flew across from the US for celebrations.

Dr :8

[BSD]

Dr. Forky,

You are in my neck of the woods! I drove past Duxford on my way home, and saw this B17 yesterday evening. Hope you are enjoying Cambridge.

Off to the US this weekend, so I won't see any of the FL show.

However, I am off to OSH, in a J3-S from New England. Great excitement, and eager anticipation all round. If I learn how to post, I'll try and contribute some photos.

BSD.

p.s. only ever flown one Bonanza - VH-SQE, in Western Australia. Fabulous country, wonderful aeroplane.

[Lasiorhinus]

OK, the what is easy, but where, and why?

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/5093/easgn1.jpg

[Jabawocky]

Coz Some bloke in FNQ wants a B1900? :confused:

[Lasiorhinus]

Ah, well of course!

I bet it doesnt have quite the short-field performace of one of Bundaberg's finest, though... but you could customise the inside quite nicely and make a motor home from it...

[XRNZAF]

Photoshop surely?!?! :confused:

[sum1]

What? - Latest Eagle Air (NZ) B1900D
Where? Cairns
Why? Engine run prior to delivery flight (no cowl on top of left engine?)

(hopefully the little reminder about not posting for so long goes away now):zzz:

[Jabawocky]

Lasio

you need to get to know me better....... no motor homes for this little black duck!

BTW Aurora OR. is the birth place of the next machine....I might have to get a new name...:eek:

[tinpis]

Recently taken in GKA


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/tinpis/pac750.jpg

[tinpis]

Who is the young man in the shades(1977)
Where is it?
Wat rego?

[Pinky the pilot]

Tinpis, A wild guess but;

Chris Sperou

Murray Bridge

VH-UPU

[tinpis]

No ...(and its not moi BTW)

No

Yes...... ex Sperou

[VH-XXX]

A bad wind rips through a hangar in Slovenia recently.

Spot the aircraft types!


http://users.netconnect.com.au/~njah1\Ouch1.jpg

http://users.netconnect.com.au/~njah1\ouch2.jpg

[bush mechanics]

Jaba,
would that be from the Connelan days in Alice springs?I know they used to have anual Balls in the hangar and they actually hung a glider from the roof

[tinpis]

Notice the Thorp - Fletcher heritage?

http://www.indusav.com/indusav/images/gal/34.jpg

[bushy]

Sure is. Very much like a baby fletcher. Amazing how it grew into the PAC 750 of today. Over a period of more than half a century. NZ has had a small aircraft industry for half a century. Australia has a Jabiru industry, with over 1000 sold. And the Airvan well established.

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Interesting CB cloud formation!

Where?

http://www.fototime.com/8510F2965454CFD/standard.jpg

Dr :8

[pw1340]

Interesting CB cloud formation!

Where?



Departure Lounge :}

[bentleg]

Looks more like an island than a cloud. Vancouver?

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Looks more like an island than a cloud.

It does indeed! I have never seen anything like it before. Soon after the pic was taken the aerodrome was clobbered by a huge downpour.

Dr :8

PS: It's Budapest International.

[BPH63]

i wondered if it looked more like stratocumulus than cumulonimbus - does CB need more vertical development ? was there thunder/lightning associated with it? :8

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

was there thunder/lightning associated with it?

Ohhhhhh yes! Nasty, evil, forky stuff coming out the bottom of it. I think there has to be substantial vertical development that is not obvious in the pic.

Dr :8

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Apparently someone thought it was a good idea to build this mess!

http://www.fototime.com/CAD8FF8E8EB2CF0/standard.jpg

Dr :8

[bentleg]

NYC. I guess there is no prize for that one.......

[Daqqy152]

Over Queens, Looking towards Manhatten. The Building Complex on the River Center Frame is Waterside with the Heliport beside it 1st Ave & 25 st with the Empire State buliding behind it The UN is just out of frame to to the right

[haughtney1]

FTD, if you look just to the right of the empire state, and head back towards the hudson river...there be a fairly decent Ozzie bar (for manhatten that is..) and its a mere 3 minute stumble to my current crew hotel :8

[Peter Fanelli]

Eight Mile Creek?

[Jabawocky]

8 mile creek hey........ this is a lot closer Peter, but guess where

http://file044b.bebo.com/6/large/2008/07/20/12/4525920200a8378104020l.jpg

and where is this Beechie parked???
http://file044b.bebo.com/6/large/2008/07/20/12/4525920200a8378104080l.jpg

and what about this?

http://file044b.bebo.com/6/large/2008/07/20/12/4525920200a8378104113l.jpg

Cheers

J:ok:

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Oh! Oh! Oh! I know! I know!

but I'm not gonna tell!

Dr :8

PS: Come on Jaba, admit it! I got 3 out of 3 in confidential PM !!!!!!!!

[Horatio Leafblower]

1/. Some place with fat chicks :uhoh: :eek:

2/. Some place with red dirt

3/. Broom broom?

[morno]

2 - Mornington Island
3 - Karumba Sunset

[kiwi chick]

Nice photos Jaba! :ok:

(not sure about the fat chicks.... that's me far left :{ )

[Trojan1981]

The ex RAN/RAAF Macchi in Nowra being repainted in RAN colors. The Skyhawk was painted earlier in the year.
I wonder why no Macchis appeared on the civil register as warbirds? There are still a few good ones floating around.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/trojan1981/DSCF3565.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/trojan1981/DSCF3564.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/trojan1981/DSCF3566.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/trojan1981/DSCF3569.jpg

[Trojan1981]

Not taken by me. I was on board and the Army Photographer who took them gave everyone copies on disk.

Taken during Ex Predator's Gallop/Croc at SWBTA in August 2003.

No need for high speed photography!
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/trojan1981/ExCroc2003239.jpg

Green on
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/trojan1981/ExCroc2003005.jpg

It's not supposed to do that...
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/trojan1981/ExCroc2003255.jpg

I hope the grunts weren't hungry...
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/trojan1981/ExCroc2003018.jpg


http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/trojan1981/ExCroc2003006.jpg

[tipsy2]

Go Air Dispatch.

I see the heli boxes are still in use.

They were the first project I worked on at AMTDU in 1968.

FORTY years ago !!!!!

tipsy
Par Oneri de Caelo
"Equal to the Task from the Sky"

[Trojan1981]

Yeah, they tore themselves to pieces that day though. They were not constructed properly (the Maxi-boxes that is) and not much survived! We ended up landing and handing over the food to an armoured unit there.

[Jabawocky]

Nice work Morno...Karumba Sunset is the last one, complete with a nice wine and a BBQ full of fish fillets from the days hunting!

King Air is at Normanton, and the choir were on TI for a couple of days. Along with FTDK's mates from CASA who ramped anything that moved, and even grounded two :ooh:.

J:ok:

[tinpis]

TORRES
VH -PNH in M@CAIR colours
From sixtiesrelic photos
I am pleased to have found this because it is the only picture I have ever found of a M@CAIR Porter
Parking bay Mendi?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/tinpis/pnh.jpg

[slackie]

Here's a couple I took at work the other day...

http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v295/233/2/707881562/n707881562_1162015_6275.jpg
CTC Queuing up again!!

http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v295/233/2/707881562/n707881562_1162017_6934.jpg
Taxi apron!

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v295/233/2/707881562/n707881562_1162016_6637.jpg
Later that night!

[Desert Flower]

Hey FTDK - look!

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg177/MrsEssum/FTDK3.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg177/MrsEssum/VH-SQE2.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg177/MrsEssum/FTDK1.jpg

DF.

[Peter Fanelli]

DF that view looks familiar, too bad about the trash in the foreground. :)

[Desert Flower]

DF that view looks familiar,

Yes - thought you would recognise it.

too bad about the trash in the foreground.

Hey Forkie - them's fightin' words aren't they?! ;)

DF.

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Hey DF - aeroplane porn!

Oldies but goodies, huh?

Flew the FTDK for the first time in 3.5 months today. Up to Cairns to have the TSO146a upgrade on the Garmin 430 completed. She still purrs along nicely!

Dr :8

[Desert Flower]

Flew the FTDK for the first time in 3.5 months today.

Bet you were having withdrawal symptoms eh? ;)

DF.

[bentleg]

Where?

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k129/bentleg/IMG_2408.jpg

[Desert Flower]

bentleg - my guess is Bourke.

DF.

[bentleg]

bentleg - my guess is Bourke

DF - You have read my other post. No - not Bourke.

[Torres]

Tinnie. VH-PNH - that the one that pranged near Kerema or the one that became P2-SEA?

A M@cair Porter at Mendi. The pilot must have carried a tent and a week's supply of kai to get there from Lae! :}

I remember Parker departing Goroka in the Porter for Lae. Arrived back an hour later, winds too strong, not enough motion lotion to get there! :}

From memory, the Porter had an MTOW of 4,800 pounds, which was ludicrous. They were certified to 6,100 pounds and Air America operated Garrett powered Fairchild Porters at 7,000 pound. I was having a correspondence argument with DCA in Port Morbid to lift the MTOW, and winning, when Parker ground looped SEA at Karimui. That ended the argument over MTOW increase and started the end of the Porter's days in PNG.

[Chimbu chuckles]

Is there anything Parker didn't crash in his time in PNG?:hmm:

[Horatio Leafblower]

It's mid-downwind from the 2nd row, RHS of a C182 (or maybe C172).

It looks very red but it isn't Bourke, Bre, Cobar, Tibooburra, Wee Waa or Wal-jay. In fact, all that Darling country is a bit more 'beige' than that.

So I have no fckn idea. :confused:

[haughtney1]

I reckon its somewhere in the southern hemisphere.....possibly that largeish island off the west coast of NZ:E

[Dixons Cider]

well...its a Dugong in the land of sand, but who..?

[RadioSaigon]

...but who..?

cares? :E ....

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Hey 'Bentleg'.....
Give us a clue??

Somewhere in WA - by the colour of the dirt??:)

[bentleg]

Hey 'Bentleg'..... Give us a clue??


OK here goes

Somewhere in WA - by the colour of the dirt??

Nope - NSW


I reckon its somewhere in the southern hemisphere.....possibly that largeish island off the west coast of NZ


Yep absolutely right

It looks very red but it isn't Bourke, Bre, Cobar, Tibooburra

Thats right but you are VERY close. All round it in fact. The RFDS KingAir was there doing a fortnightly clinic when we landed.

And this is the main street and pub where we stayed after landing
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k129/bentleg/IMG_2407.jpg


Enough clues?

[Warbo]

Wanaaring...

[bentleg]

Wanaaring...


Yep. :D (Too many clues?)

Great spot for an overnight if you like bush pubs and a drink with the locals. :ok:

Moc and Sheree (used to be at Hungerford) are great hosts. Excellent N/S airstrip.

[Cat,Duck&Stopwatch]

Must have been SEZ.

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

bentleg - isn't that tree on the left a bit close to the strip? :ok:

Dr :8

[bentleg]

bentleg - isn't that tree on the left a bit close to the strip? :ok:


Nah - Just dip the left wing a bit on late final

[haughtney1]

How much for a pint (ermm I've been in the UK too long) or a tinnie?

[bentleg]

How much for a pint (ermm I've been in the UK too long) or a tinnie?


Don't remember as all drinks went on a tab. All we could drink plus dinner, bed and breakfast was $105 pp.

[Jabawocky]

Not bad! Haughtney would be lucky to get Breakie for $105 over there!:}

J:ok:

[BEACH KING]

Bugger Bentleg. I've been away from computer all weekend... would have picked Wanaaring straight up.

Would like a dollar for every time I've battled from Hungerford down to Wanaaring and back. Easily one of the worst roads in Australia.. beats the Plenty and Gibb river roads hands down.

The best way to get there is to fly... for sure

[Atlas Shrugged]

Quote:
DF that view looks familiar,

Yes - thought you would recognise it.


Geez DF, those photos must have been taken on one of the three days a year you get cloud at LEC! ;)

[Desert Flower]

Geez DF, those photos must have been taken on one of the three days a year you get cloud at LEC!

Been seeing a fair bit of cloud recently, very windy as well. Place was a no-go zone this morning due to fog. As per usual it wasn't on the forecast - BOM rang me at 08:30 local & said erm, we see that there's not much difference between the temperature & the dewpoint there - have you got fog or low cloud? By that time it had almost cleared!

DF.

[redsnail]

Guess where?

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d143/reddo1/IMG_1433.jpg

[haughtney1]

Sardinia?..mayby southern spain?..greece? :E

[redsnail]

It's definitely not bloody Luton I can tell you!!

You're close with one of your spots. :ok:

[haughtney1]

Olbia? perhaps?

I was thinking greece..but then I thought..camera..plane..jail :}

[redsnail]

Nah, not "wonderful" Olbia... It is an island, closer to Spain. (it's the GA ramp... not the ramps you'd have been familiar with) :}

[haughtney1]

Ummm...Corsica, Ibiza, Menorca, but looking at the hills in the background...Palma?

Which reminds me, the webber needs lighting:}

[redsnail]

Correct, Palma de Mallorca.

Lucky crew, the wx was fantastic there. Naturally, we didn't stay. :( We went to Faro (LPFR)

[Jamair]

Anyone want to take a punt on where this strip is?

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p271/jamair_photos/IMG_0821.jpg

Or who / where these LEGENDS are?

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p271/jamair_photos/IMG_1219.jpg

Or this bit of tiger country (Jaba was near there not too long back - if the wx ever lifted enough to get out from where he was......)

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p271/jamair_photos/IMG_0586.jpg

And this is just 'cause I like the pic

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p271/jamair_photos/IMG_0626.jpg

and lastly, this island (shouldn't be too hard)

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p271/jamair_photos/IMG_0822.jpg

[Chimbu chuckles]

Mate that picture was 10kg ago...I plan to lose another 10 by Xmas:ok:

[haughtney1]

I thought you were taller Chuck :E

[Chimbu chuckles]

Hey I am 6'2"...the other two are freaks of nature.:E

[GFPT]

That wouldn't be Mr G..... C.... on the right in the pink would it ?

[Jabawocky]

Gooday JAMAIR

Let me see, COEN perhaps? The next would be Mareeba, and if I was in that pic.....I would look like the freak, be like Dickey Knee:ooh:.

As for the Tiger Country, it looks familiar except your photo was taken at a much greater height:}. The koala's up there left more dung on the ground the day we all went through! And just out of Mareeba is a lotta tiger country, in fact I think its even too rough for tigers!:uhoh:

Not sure about the island though.....did I go near there?

J:ok:

[WannaBeBiggles]

Not entirely aviation related, but found this picture this morning...

So.... Jaba.... Fes' up! :E

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3030/2742846142_d9a0aae4a4.jpg

[Jabawocky]

Biggles.......... where do you surf the net..... Thats more a worry!:eek:

Note the spelling...... no connection thank you!

J:ok:

[Jamair]

Good one Jaba, 'tis Coen indeed - although been a while since anyone landed on the strip in the pic. The river gorge is the Barron below the falls, on a 'visual' departure ex CS.

Hiya Chuck - you musta given those kg to me :{:{

[Jabawocky]

Visual Departure hey? We had one out of ATN....... @ FL_Powerlines + 50 :eek:, well it was almost that, had to wait for the ground to fall away below us. Was a lot of fun, and thanks for catching up for lunch, your local wx advice was a bonus!

OK here are some more, hope you enjoy!

http://file044b.bebo.com/2/large/2008/08/08/01/4525920200a8571416117l.jpg

http://file044b.bebo.com/13/large/2008/08/08/01/4525920200a8571424158l.jpg

And what is this Jamair?
http://file044b.bebo.com/13/large/2008/08/08/01/4525920200a8571424179l.jpg

[185skywagon]

Jaba,
the bottom one looks like the Pound area.

185.

[On eyre]

Top one be Starfish Hill wind farm near Cape Jervis.

[WannaBeBiggles]

Jabba, it was actually a random ad that came up on an internet radio player I have running at work ;)

[Jamair]

The wind farm near Ravenshoe - bit bloody lower than I'd like to be around there:ooh:

The escarpment near Chillagoe - looks fabulous in the wet, big streams of water running off it.

I took off into the clag that morn and didn't see dirt again till the minima at COE off the NDB approach; same again on rtn to CS, ILS down to 500-odd ft. Didn't think you'd get away.:D

The other one I put up is Double Island, the start of the CS 15 GS. Looks a bit different at low tide.

Did the boys come over the top on take off at zot feet at the End of the Road to get you outa bed ?? :E:E

[Jabawocky]

Early morning starts for Fishing Charters and departures ensure we beat them to it, I do recall some low passes....... did you organise that or is it a SOP:E?

J

PS The bluff is known as WALSH'S BLUFF I am told, about half way between Chillagoe and Port Douglas

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

One from my recent wanderings!

600' AMSL, 600 m, generally one-way, up-hill landing and down-hill TO! Note the power-line at the top of the hill.

I have landed a C210 over the power-line and down the hill into a stiff breeze, but it is a little hard on the nerves as the ground falls away from under you as you flare!

Also landed an M20J up the hill at night to the light of four jam tins burning diesel. Won't try that one again!

Dr :8

http://www.fototime.com/C602978D677E000/standard.jpg

[PA39]

VH-RAM was originally the rego on a C150 based at the Coffs Aero Club...carried the club on its back for years.

[Chimbu chuckles]

Never seen a grass strip so high AGL Forky....and I seen a LOT of grass strips.:E

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Chuckles, don't know what ya talking about!

Dr :8

PS: Smart-arse :ok: Nothing better to do in Jeddah, huh!

[Flopt]

oh oh , forky..... I know ,....I landed a 210 wit your mudder on board over that power line.... no stiff headwind , but I did go round once to make sure I didn't stuff up....oh and I remember one of your 'mates' [very scarce breed] landed a c185 over it at night with no runway lights with me in the backseat....that was before I understood how bloody dangerous aviating is. I said to him 'I bet you can't do that from the other end'....but he said "I used to when I was single!!!!!!!".......
You mix wth crazy people....it's a wonder I've survived.
Jaba 's been there.

Flopt

[Jamair]

FTDK heya bloke - is that Fairview, north-east of Injune? Got a big ravine at the bottom end?:eek: Went in there in a 172 on a Main Roads CHTR few years ago.

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Heya Jamjar!

Nah, its a bit further north-west than that. I didn't post it for anyone to guess its location - just for interest. I doubt that any in here other than that ring-in flopt (describes his typical landing!), and Jaba have been in there.

Jaba has an aerial pic which he might post if he ever turns up!

Visiting aircraft are not encouraged!

Dr :8

[TwoDogs]

I have just spent a solid 3 days at work reading this thread. Still got about 30 or so pages to go but don't go back to work for a few days so they will have to wait - ;)

Anyway, thought I should contribute something so here goes...Type should be easy but location might keep you guessing for a while.
A clue - the photo was taken in October 2006.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb7/anonnemouse/SharpTurn3.jpg

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Somewhere in the sandpit?

Dr :8

[TwoDogs]

Geesus FTDK, get a life !!! :O

I haven't even finished posting and u r supplying answers :)

[2 Dogs]

I have just finished reading the thread and I noticed a while back you referred to GKP ending up on the side of Mt.Otto??
Wasn't GKP the Baron that went missing down gurney way with Fox at the helm?

[Chimbu chuckles]

Dunno...but it was the 402 (second sector straight out of a major) that speared into Mt Otto in early 1988.

The two Talair staff on board survived with injuries...to quote the PIC "One minute I was flying along and the next I was going backwards with no wings". He was killed just a year or so ago in his C185 down the Tua river valley.

[BSD]

Twodogs,

Istres in the south of France - Centre D'essais en Vol or some such?

Cheers,

BSD.

[TwoDogs]

BSD

Sorry, FTDK has the area. What about place and type?

[spini]

Looks a lot like Al Ain, UAE, crosswind for Rwy 01.

The Grand Mercure on top of the mountain is a nice place to spend a couple of days on layover. Bit on the hot side right now.

[Back Seat Driver]

El Ain, MSN 09, F-WWEA (first to be fitted with Engine Alliance), 23 October 2006. :D

[Peter Fanelli]

Went in there in a 172 on a Main Roads CHTR


Charter in a 172?????

You poor bastard!

Hope things have improved for you since then :ooh:

[TwoDogs]

Back Street Driver, Spini - Spot on !

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Here's an aerial shot of my earlier post #3618

Yeah, the house is still there - off the top end of the strip - protected by the power line!!

Dr :8

http://www.fototime.com/4E802F7A518660D/standard.jpg

[Flopt]

Forky

You won't get that carton of Crownies iou if you tell my insurer how many times I've flopped in there at gross and 39 deg C. in M20js &C210s just to say hello to one of your few mates.:= Has it still got the un-notamed spoon drain graded across the top end. ?......if so dunno y......never bloody rains there any way......! Just designed to bend the tiedown ring on a Mo when it's trying to come to screetching halt .

Betcha I could get a P68c in and out and take the 25yr uncollected prize for 1st twin in'n out......take out all the seats, gut the interior,no flight bag or charts, no 3 gps's ,min.safe oil,arrive overhead with 88.5l avgas ,wearing only jocks and lightweight headset [ugly thought], collect prize and adulation,and land at YLRE with 45mins endurance!

Flopt

[Chimbu chuckles]

Are you telling us its 600m and got a decent slope and no-one has yet

take the 25yr uncollected prize for 1st twin in'n out

Find me an Islander or Twin Otter and I'll go in and out with all seats filled, overnight bags and a carton of crownies each. I've even have a crack at it in an old 402/402A. If memory serves Eloua, north of Kavieng, was 680m, flat, crushed coral and had a nasty slippery algae covering...used to go in and out in 402s with all seats, and if raining - our pants, filled....ya just gotta want to badly enough.:ok:

Couple of 'da boys' even took a 402 in/out of Kiantiba one day.

Kiantiba
http://www.fototime.com/{CF21E716-FF6B-44A2-AABB-3DAF40770105}/picture.JPG

Anyone who has spent much time based in Lae or Wau should recognise this garden spot.

http://www.fototime.com/{7EE5F046-179E-43F9-A908-6D756CB2F2E8}/picture.JPG

[Jamair]

Peter Fanelli - yeah; insteada flying 30 y/0 C172s on CHTR I'm flyin 30 y/o C404s......:rolleyes:

[Pinky the pilot]

Find me an Islander or Twin Otter and I'll go in and out with all seats filled, overnight bags and a carton of crownies each

I'm with Chuckles on this one. I'd even have a go with Simbu's old Islander SAB which had engines built from all the dodgy spares that were laying around the Douglas engine shop after DZ went bagarup!:{

One of those engines let go bigtime shortly after T/O from Kamulai one day:eek:, but that's another story!

Great piccy of Kaintiba there Chuck. One of the very first strips in PNG that Luk V endorsed me into.:ok:

[VH-XXX]

You haven't lived until you've flown a 172 into a strip I know of in Beaconsfield near Cardinia Reservoir Melbourne. It's 950ft. You can't fly in a low wing because it's on the side of a hill and the low wing will hit the slope!

[Warbo]

A quick look on google earth and I found what looks like a strip at 38*00'S 145*25.8'E, but it seems to be more like 1250' long (380m)? It seems to be on the side of a hill, but, in the the friendliest possible way, may I express my doubts about your claim regarding low wing aircraft? I certainly haven't been there, it's just that an airstrip that would handle a 172, but not a cherokee would have to be VERY steep indeed.

I hope this long running thread is not about to be ruined by becoming a pi$$ing contest.:hmm:

[VH-XXX]

There's no pissing competition here Mr. Warbo!

Indeed that is the strip in question. It's cut into the side of a very steep hill, so steep in fact that you can't taxi up or down the hill. If you tried to taxi up the hill at the ends and stopped with the brakes on, your aircraft would tip onto its' tail! It's very skinny and a low wing will hit the wing where the strip is cut into the slope; pretty simple stuff and posted more for informational purposes rather than for a fictitous pissing competition as you put it.

It's a one way strip as the southern end flies up into a valley. Short of a STOL aircraft of sorts you wouldn't be able to climb out on any given day. Going off the other end there's a valley so easy to take off there as the ground drops away.

In actual fact a 172 hasn't been flown in here in over 20 years and probably never will, so there's no pissing competition in that regard either!

By the way, at best my measurements put it at 315 metres. Unforunately Google earth doesn't show the hilly terrain of this strip, other than the 5 metre drop from north to south.

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Betcha I could get a P68c in and out and take the 25yr uncollected prize for 1st twin in'n out......

Mr Floppy, ya big girl! Ya full of it!

I'd take a Baron in there - I note that you never did when you had the chance!

I hope this long running thread is not about to be ruined by becoming a pi$$ing contest.:hmm:

Not much chance of that in here. Just when one of us mere mortals gets a good stream going, one of them PNG (or ex) jocks post something. Ya take a look, ya urethra spasms (Hey, I am a Dr!), and you are instantly reduced to a trickle.

Dr :8

[Flopt]

Chuck......yeh, but yeh, but no Twotters or Islanders have ever been within 300nml of this place ....forkie's mates [ you should distance yourself ,here] aren't fit to mix with polite society.......so the local possibilities have only ever been B55, B58,P68C ,C310 all of which I have operated in the vicinty ,or the local flying surgeon's C421....and it kept blowing turbos.......and crashed and burned on T/O at Roma..inthe next paddock.

And maximum applause would only be available if the pilot had a large personal financial interest in the aircraft himself.

Financial ruin and personal injury attract equal kudos!...and may exclude his forkyness, he's so cunning.

Flopt...........good photos,by the way..........got some more?

[Capt Fathom]

I'd take a Baron in there

That's hardly a challenge! You could take a Baron just about anywhere!

[Warbo]

Okay, XXX. Point taken & well rebutted. I shall keep my trap shut until I have something useful to add other than being critical. Like I said, I have never been there, so it is not my place to offer an opinon.

I should get 10 pionts for finding it though!:)

[Lefthanded_Rock_Thrower]

FTDK,

Its near Karumba/Normanton,,, south of Delta, the name escapes me, went there in a C310 to fix a magneto on an R22:).

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Lefty, don't think so. You're about 400 nm out!

Dr :8

[Chimbu chuckles]

Got any more?

Yep, one of my all time favorite strips, Kamalai.

I am standing on the threshold looking up the strip...behind is a near sheer drop probably over 2000'.

http://www.fototime.com/{3B8AE0B9-ED00-4447-9500-56D99BC2DFC8}/picture.JPG

View from where the Twotter is parked.

http://www.fototime.com/{65D1FBC4-DA49-4FBE-996B-C1693E03C408}/picture.JPG

[slackie]

Yeh...seen the downhill photo before (maybe in this thread), but the uphill one really puts it into perspective! It looks more like a sheep track than an airstrip, and the down lill looks like a base jumpers launch pad! Very specky!:bored:

[Jabawocky]

And here is one for the FTDK...... a piece of history!

http://file040b.bebo.com/5/large/2008/08/12/23/4525920200a8621616316l.jpg

And what model is this? not what you first think apparently....And where?

http://file040b.bebo.com/5/large/2008/08/12/23/4525920200a8621616350l.jpg

[Peter Fanelli]

And here is one for the FTDK...... a piece of history!


Well it's a piece of something :E

[PLovett]

Chuckles, why do they bother with the cone markers? There's bleedin no where else to go anyway!:eek::ok:

[Chimbu chuckles]

Good question, never occurred to me to ask. I presume its an ICAO requirement applied with out further thought...like that never happens:hmm:

Further to your question, am I remembering this right, is it not the case that if your wheels are inside the cone markers (as in they define the 'useable' strip dimensions) the rest of the aircraft should be ok?

Like 98% of PNG airstrips if you didn't stay exactly in the middle of the strip you were potentially in deep doo doo. At Kamalai, as you can see, even in the middle you didn't have much wingtip clearance in a Twotter as you went around the bend...at other strips the area within the cone markers but outside the central strip (often reinforced with crush coral/rocks or some such and about the width of a Twotter/Islander main wheel track) was often too soft and people have come undone. More than 1 206 has ripped the nose wheel out or even flipped when the pilot wasn't careful in this respect. Bush flying, or at least the extreme variety in PNG, is an extremely precise discipline.

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

I presume its an ICAO requirement

Oh yeah, I can see that!

Like that strip clearly meets all other ICAO requirements - it would be a shame to not have cone markers!

Dr :8

[Pedota]

Jeez Chimbu . . . that's incredible!

Can you kindly 'talk' us through how you land and take-off from a strip like that. Clearly keeping it EXACTLY in the middle is vital, but where do you plan to touch down and (given the bend in the strip) where is the nose pointing?

And how do you take-off? Full power with brakes and then 'release'? Is there a 'rejected take-off' decision point? What are the considerations before operating from strips like that.

Any insights would be interesting as I just cannot imagine operating out of strips like that.

Many thanks

[Jabawocky]

Is there a 'rejected take-off' decision?

Only prior to releasing the brakes:}

I too am keen to hear what the Chuckler has to say, the good part is that as unbelievable as the story seems, its the truth, unspoiled by embellishment:ok:.

J

[prospector]

They are not cone markers, they are kerosene burners to be ignited when required for night operations!!!:E:D

[Chimbu chuckles]

Its a broad subject so a little background first.

First don't invest it with more difficulty than it deserves. It required precise positioning and speed control but beyond those two requirements it is just a reasonably normal landing.

Speed/flight path control was made more difficult by the mountains. There is no natural horizon when you are flying in mountain valleys (even on CAVOK days) with terrain very close by that might be 5000' higher than you or the elevation of the airstrip. You certainly got good at imagining where the horizon might be if the terrain wasn't in the way but really, in some respects, it is almost VFR instrument flying. It does become second nature pretty quickly.

Most people who pass the CPL flight test have the beginnings of a decent instrument scan which they use to fine tune their visual flying, some dont. Those that dont struggle just flying S&L in the mountains until they do develop a scan.

Certainly newbies didn't go into REALLY challenging strips on day one...or 12 except in the RHS on area famil before starting their route/strip training. Talair would generally start new pilots off based on the coast, say Daru/Wewak/Vanimo (plenty of bad weather/few, if any mountains) where they might spend 6 months, the first 1 under very close supervision which slowly reduced as skills were built. Then that pilot would be transfered somewhere mountainous and given a week or two flying with an experienced type training captain before being signed out to specific (relatively easy) strips - a few weeks later another period of training into harder ones etc - and over specific routes and the alternate routes between those strips. Make no mistake this was intensive training...8,10,12 sectors per day with normal PNG loads - CHOCKERS!!, 6 days/week.

We, usually, didn't fly willy nilly all over the joint for the first couple of years by which time you might be considered experienced enough and competent enough to be given an exemption to CAO 28 which outlined the minimum route/strip ICUS requirements. The CAO 28 exemption garnered a small pay increment and was known as a 'license to be lost and scared'. Certainly you were generally exempt from CAO 28 by the time you flew the Twotter but that wasn't universal. I officially got mine in Talair when one morning the Lae Port Manager said "Chuck you're doing DCA strip inspections this morning to Bawan, etc etc" (about 6 more - I had been checked into 2 by the SBP and when we flew past Bawan one day I asked about it and he said NO FECKING WAY:eek: am I checking you in there!!!)

"But Muddy I haven't been checked into etc" "No worries shags I got a dispo from the CP's office" (I was naive - I didn't find out the CP's secretary was pretty free with 'dispos' until later :suspect:) Several days later the CP pulled me aside and quietly asked if it was true that I had checked myself into Bawan. "Yeah and Lowai, etc etc" How? I asked so and so and did what he said. A few more searching questions and I was approved to be lost and scared and earned a small payrise.:uhoh:

Realise too that a topographical chart is of VERY limited use in valley flying where you don't have time, or the terrain clearance, to have your head inside trying to work out where the **** you are...you are INSIDE the chart...2/3rds of the map is above you. As a result your training captain would teach you the routes via landmarks that you just had to learn to recognise. I cannot over emphasize how intimate we became with our 'patch'. Individual trees, rocks etc. The only way we were able to do it in bad weather was that deeply intimate local knowledge.

That is why the CAO 28 exemption was a big deal and, initially, quite scary - for me anyway. You'd pitch up at work to be told "Shags, take that load to XYZ" and XYZ was half way between this patch and your last patch. You'd get to the edge of your intimate local knowledge and gaze out at the ughknown and think '****...ahead there be dragons".:uhoh: There wasn't of course but it took me YEARS to get over that feeling.

The forgoing was the 'ideal' followed strictly by Talair etc. I didn't start at Talair I started at Simbu Aviation. A C185 and an Islander based in the Central Highlands. A CP, me and a handful of local 'cargo bois'. Within 3 months I was CP and training a newbie with 400 hrs...I'd arrived with less:rolleyes:

Every time I got a charter somewhere a few provinces outside my patch I'd ring up Al Craigy (boss of DCA in Port Moresby) and say "Al I gotta trip to..." "Yes?" "Well Al I never been to..." "Chuck you're the CP - if you can't find your way to...you don't deserve a licence" "thanks Al":suspect::ok:

There is NOT ONE GOOD REASON why I survived that first year...I did some REALLY dumb things...all I can do is prostrate myself and claim 'young, dumb and full of cum'.

But I was having fun!!!!

Talair took me into their system and a year or so later I checked myself into Bawan and I was off lost and scared again every second week.:}

As to the nuts and bolts of the fun strips..and they are SOOO much fun.:ok:

Well hold your arm out straight angled down like a final approach path and with your hand palm down and flat. That is a normal approach like you're all used to. Now cock you hand up while keeping your arm steady...that is an approach to a steep strip. You MUST look high all the way...you're making a completely normal approach to a runway that is tilted up. The only concession to that slope is you vary your speed to ensure enough energy to round out, flare and land normally. The rule of thumb, if memory serves, was no additive up to about 5% slope, 5kts between 5% and 10%, 10kts above 10%. Of course that is zero wind...which was rare after mid morning when adiabatic tailwinds became the norm. The biggest trap for the inexperienced was a deep seated desire to make the approach look normal...which put them below the strip climbing...with, usually, disastrous results...that happened from time to time.

Tilt your hand down to be more in line with your arm and you see you must look low going into a strip with a downslope..and there were plenty of strips where the first part was downhill and then the last part was up...and the middle was deep slushy mud - OFTEN.

This was what made Bawan infamous. You approached the elevated threshold at probably 2000' agl. The first cone markers were probably 30' in from the cliff and the second set 30m further on where the strip disappeared from view completely before coming back into view with about 7% upslope and maybe 3% side slope. It was about 400m long and 19m wide...miss the flat bit at the beginning and you wouldn't touch down until the uphill bit...and you'd never stop before the end...you could slide off the side turning around at the end to taxi back to the parking bay beside the level first 30m if you turned downhill a bit quick doing your 180 and it was wet...which it was part of every day. Those big tire double wheel boggies on the Bongo van are GREAT at sliding with locked brakes. The terrain around Bawan was such that you couldn't fly much of a circuit and I nearly inhaled the seat when I turned final that first time even though it had all been explained in fine detail. By the time I could put two coherent thoughts together (OH and ****!) I was beyond the point of being able to go around and have a think...or go home and confess my abject uselessness to Muddy.

NOTHING concentrates the mind quite so completely...give me steep any day...steeper the better...you can actually cock up and land long on 17% and get away with it...some guys did so deliberately and would come bounding to the top at silly speed. Perhaps more concerned about stopping before the top than not stopping AT the top - and a few didn't. There is NO way you can taxi up a really steep strip so 99.9% of us would touchdown in the correct spot, between the first and second cone markers, at the right speed, and then apply power before whipping it off again and trickling to the top and turning across the slope if there was no flat parking bay off to the side.

The real skill in sloping strips/mountain flying is being able to recognise instantly what looks 'right' at any given combination of up/down/cross slope and not falling victim to optical illusions caused by terrain, windshear, rain on the windscreen etc. I am unable to explain the process of developing that skill...its a mysterious and wondrous thing beyond my ken.

Turning takeoffs/landings on strips like Kamalai are not that hard...you just make the aeroplane go around the corner by whatever combination of controls is necesary...you still touchdown parallel to the strip at the touchdown zone and then go around the corner...it feels completely normal and unremarkable after doing it a few times.

Takeoffs on steep strips, particularly wet, steep strips generally engender in the participating pilot some deep thoughts about what they would do in the case of an engine failure..and their mortality...because once you have rolled about 60m you are not going to stop the aeroplane no matter how motivated...you just are not. What your next most excellent idea might be was very pilot and airstrip specific. If the threshold was elevated, like Kamalai (very common) I always figured I could reduce power just enough to maintain directional control and dive off the end and regain speed in a dive before feeding the power back in...and then think of something else clever to do next...maybe you could descend down the valley to a lower airstrip, or in some cases (Kamalai) to the coastal plains...a smart pilot had each escape plan tucked away so you were not trying to be spontaneously clever. Trundling off the end of short, flat elevated strips 'a little' below flying speed on two engines was common practice with a big load so we were quite accustomed to the basic concept.

If that was not possible any combination of deliberate ground loop or taking the aeroplane off the side of the strip (or the end) and using the jungle to slow you down relatively gently was quite reasonable.

If some of these sound like fantasies born of desperation they are...but there really were no other options so you either got creative or accept the consequences of a failure of some kind meekly. I never met too many meek bush pilots.

And all the above have been used in anger with varying degrees of success.

At some strips you would just die and there was not a bloody thing you could do about it and people did. Kanobea was like that...everyone's (who ever went there even once) least favorite strip.

Full power against the brakes and a quick check all in the green? Yes if you could...often the aeroplane would be sliding with locked wheels by the time you got significant power on so it wasn't always possible.

Above all it was professionally deeply satisfying flying...much more so than the very proscriptive nature of jet flying...which I enjoy too but for different reasons. Bush flying is two hands, two feet and a brain...very little more than broad policy outlines written in the company ops manual. No rules as such besides those conferred by common sense...and they were inviolate.

[slackie]

Fantastic...I think? Riveting description of some truly unique flying.:ok: Any photographic evidence of Kanobea??

[Pedota]

Fantastic Chumbles . . . many thanks!!

Pedota

[morno]

Chuck, that was one of the most riveting posts I've read on pprune. Absolutely tops, :D:D.

I don't think I could ever have the balls to do that sort of flying. But thanks for sharing your experiences.

:ok:

morno

[PLovett]

Chuckles, thank you for taking the time to post that, I found it fascinating to the point that I have saved it to join other snippets of aviation lore that I have saved over the years.

[tinpis]

Pfffftttt....Kamalai...
ANO.48 license to get lost,,,,

One day after hauling coffee sacks in the Porter out of a ****ty little area right in the middle of a village, a Kiap rode up on his motorbike and thanked me for my effort but suggested next time I should use the airstrip over the next ridge like the other guys did. :\














official png bull**** story

[aldee]

Unreal !!
hard to imagine how many love bites the seat cushion would've gotten during the first few months over there, think I'd still be fluffing bits of rubber :}

Awesome stuff:ok:

[tinpis]

Slackie thats Kanabea over in the fog

Looks friendly enough but is a right bastard with afternoon winds
Several whizzer prangs there..

http://www.compunet.se/travel/png/jpg/medium/425.jpg

[Chimbu chuckles]

Tinny legend has it you Porter pilots used to back the aircraft into the missios shed and take off across the strip:ok:

I would have crawled over broken glass to fly that aeroplane but they were all gone by the time I got to PNG.

These pictures of an Islander departing Kanobea were taken by another pilot and posted here on Pprune years ago and I saved them to my hard drive. My time in PNG was LONG before digital cameras and laptops and most of my own pictures were destroyed so I have spent years collecting copies of piccies from mates etc.

Kanobea is on a 'ledge' 4500' amsl with a high ridge line close on one side, a smaller ridge line straight off the end which you had to turn before and in the windy season (Nov-Mar from memory) a strong wind blew over that ridge giving a quartering cross/tailwind for landing - headwind for takeoff - but areas of very strong updrafts and downdrafts on the approach/departure. One of the guys suffered a left prop failure about where the Islander is in the first picture and had rolled upside down and crashed by the 3rd picture. For years after you could see the wreckage clearly which was a constant reminder of how much luck effects all our lives. One of the other guys (now in VB) had to land and depart through the smoke from the burning Islander which would have to be the most unpleasant feeling.

http://www.fototime.com/{C23D87CD-0E67-44BF-8CF1-9374938B664A}/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/{ED8D2569-7985-49FB-A845-90C81CFFC946}/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/{4DA7B815-0A5B-4F32-B733-5E68CF1A6F92}/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/{2275ECB6-B2AB-4003-8B59-5A01ABCC973E}/picture.JPG

I can't access the rest of the sequence but will post when I can...you end up hard up against that ridge still turning.

[Pinky the pilot]

Another view of Kanabea.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i319/Pinkythepilot/kanabea-1.jpg

Thanks for the post Chuck.:ok:
There is NOT ONE GOOD REASON why I survived that first year...I did some REALLY dumb things...all I can do is prostrate myself and claim 'young, dumb and full of cum'.

But I was having fun!!!!


The above quote could apply to all of us whom were fortunate enough to have flown there. The reason I attribute to my survival is quite simply that it was'nt my time to go!

As for Kanabea being my least favourite strip; Yeah, guess so! Though I once near s**t myself at Oram.:eek::uhoh:

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

My retirement project (still a few years away) is to write,

"'Young, dumb and full of cum' - the unauthorised biography of Chimbu Chuckles"

Dr :8

[ABX]

Fantastic posts Chuck. I love the PNG stories - have even read the entire PNG thread - those stories of yours are riveting.

After reading the PNG thread and all the new PNG threads that pop up from time to time I guess some aspects of PNG flying have changed a bit since your days there - but the terrain and wx have not!

Cheers mate.:ok:

[garman]

any guesses on a/c type?http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3875/p5080251zv3.jpg

[Peter Fanelli]

can you give us a bigger pic?

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

TBM 850

Dr :8

[Cap'n Arrr]

That'd be a SOCATA TBM700:ok:

[Desert Flower]

Don't know about A/C type, but that looks suspiciously like the FTDK & Jaba squeezed in up the front! ;)

DF.

[AussieNick]

defiantly a TBM700

[Jabawocky]

DF

Thats an assumption based on the number of screens in the photo! :=

I can understand your misguided guess however:ok: I do not have that much grey hair ...... yet!:{

J

[garman]

TBM 850 it is!
here's a shot of the cabin, ain't too shabby!
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3121/p8120252gi1.jpg

same a/c, any guesses where it was taken?
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3852/p8120233yq4.jpg

[Stormynights]

not saying thats where those pics were taken ...but was that aeroplane at Jabiru earlier this year ?

[garman]

I wouldn't know stormy, very likely it was this a/c if you saw a TBM 850 as there are only 2 in the country, an this one gets around a lot!

[Stormynights]

when it was there we had an issue with the fuel owner wasnt too happy!
Couldnt understand why he wouldnt give me a job in a 737 ...lol
Came in well i should say well b4 a Nav they were flying with

[garman]

sorry mate, i didn't quite understand that last post?

[morno]

Garman,
I read through it several times and tried to decypher it. I THINK this is what he was trying to say:

When it was there (in Jabiru), we had an issue with the fuel. The owner wasnt too happy! [What was wrong with the fuel? I don't know]
Couldn't understand why he wouldn't give me a job in a 737 ...lol [errr, that bit I don't quite get, :confused:]
Came in well, I should say WELL before a Navajo they were flying with.


Hope that helps, I think, :ok:.

morno

[Stormynights]

did pm and translate what i said
not enough sleep sorry

[Desert Flower]

I wouldn't know stormy, very likely it was this a/c if you saw a TBM 850 as there are only 2 in the country, an this one gets around a lot!

It wouldn't happen to be VH-MRJ by any chance? If so, I saw it a few months ago. There was talk of them trading it in for something faster if I remember correctly.

DF.

[slackie]

Had a good look over VHMRJ when it was at Warbirds Over Wanaka...and a good chat to the salesman...nice chap...and a nice piece of kit
http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/13155732.jpg
SOrry about the picture quality...bad light and lack of skill!
http://static3.bareka.com/photos/medium/13155786.jpg
http://static4.bareka.com/photos/medium/13155847.jpg

http://static4.bareka.com/photos/medium/13155907.jpg


Wouldn't mind one parked my hangar...actually wouldn't even mind the hangar!!

[Jabawocky]

Curved ball here for ya :E

WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHEN & WHY?

http://file040b.bebo.com/3/large/2008/08/19/05/4525920200a8680474837l.jpg

J:ok:

PS and posted within minutes of being taken! ;)

[PyroTek]

who: Some person?
What: Cessna 310?
Where: over the ocean
When: minutes before it was posted?
why: because it could
:ok:

[BEACH KING]

I'll give it a go.

WHO: Jaba and some bloke who owns a C310r

WHAT: A C310R

WHERE: YCAB coastal

WHEN: a few minutes after Jaba took the photo

WHY: JABA was bored and out at the airfield (when he should have been working) and talking aircraft crap to anyone who was there including some bloke who lobbed in... in a C310R and asked JABA if he wanted to go for a lap in the C310R and JABA said yes he would... and they did

[Jabawocky]

What: OK that was not hard :ok:

The Rest: Not even farkin close :E:}:D:p keep guessin boys and girls!

J:E

[chimbu warrior]

Looks more like a C402 to me.

[PyroTek]

herres another try:
Who: Jaba...
What: 310
When: This afternoon, a few minutes before 15:33
Where: Somewhere over the ocean, near hervey bay?
Why: Working on the RV-10? Or going out to a job to do with Jaba's business?

:ok:

[Peter Fanelli]

Looks more like a C402 to me.


I could be mistaken but I think you can just make out the cowl flap under the louvre on the engine which makes it a 310.

[Jabawocky]

Pyro,

Hervey Bay is closer...... but only about 1% the way there.

Its going to take a really really sharp pair of eyes to get this one, but I know there is at least one PPRUNE regular who will know:E

Keep em coming, I will let you know when its correct!

J:}

[Capt Fathom]

WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHEN & WHY?

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:54XGnMC_1gQJ::www.astrolog.org/1111/selena/3sky.jpg

Riveting isn't it! :zzz:

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHEN, HOW and WHY?

http://www.fototime.com/664D20E4845B4A8/standard.jpg

Dr :8

[Peter Fanelli]

A person other than FTDK (He's busy managing the GPS's) :E
FTDK
In the air
Sometime prior to now
To continue this worthless tangent the thread is on.

:hmm:

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Geez PF, ya so close - but missed the "HOW"!

Bad Luck!

Dr :8

[Capt Chambo]

After a long night flight:-

I reckon it's a C310 (I don't think it's a C402 as all the one's I ever flew had paint discoloration behind the louvres, caused by hot air blowing over the turbocharger).

And do I see the tip of a feathered prop? Was it on a CoA air test?

Just my guess.

[Squawk7700]

And the FUGLY award goes to......

http://www.ultralightnews.ca/airventure04/images/seadragon-sportplane.1.jpg

Seadragon two seat amphibious light sport aircraft kit, from Independent Aircraft. (http://www.ultralightnews.ca/airventure04/seadragon-sportplane.htm)

[tinpis]

Are there any old 402's (tip tanks) still flying?

[Jamair]

Lotsa the old 402s (402/402A/402B) still around.

I reckon that pic was taken out the window of a C310R situated at S15 00 E140 00 at A100 doin about 165kts, with a pilot playing on his phone to stave off boredom and ignore his @rse goin to sleep.:cool:

[elche]

This one (VH-IGU) has been around YSBK for a while now.
It has been used for quite a number of endorsements in the last year or so.

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v321/144/117/554170870/n554170870_1756384_7309.jpg
This photo was taken 2 weeks ago.

Went for a ride in it not too long ago...
http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v231/144/117/554170870/n554170870_1323431_1201.jpg

[yowie]

Guess there was one gettin around the UK till a few days ago:(

[Peter Fanelli]

This one (VH-IGU) has been around YSBK for a while now.


hmmmm, last time I flew IGU was Jan 5, 1988.
20 years ago.

[BrazDriver]

That used to be the old Phoenix Aviation 402. Sat at JT for a year or 2 after their charter aim went bust.

[sprocket check]

Capt Fathom:

where: Only in America

nuff said.

sc

[elche]

Yeah, there are a few photos of her with the Phoenix logo on airliners.net.

Photos: Cessna 402 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Phoenix-Aviation/Cessna-402/0134377/L/)

Photos: Cessna 402 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Phoenix-Aviation/Cessna-402/0081456/L/)

Photos: Cessna 402 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Cessna-402/0110862/L/)

[Peter Fanelli]

Hands up all those who are glad to see the end of this piece of ****e.

Photos: Cessna 402A Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Emu-Airways/Cessna-402A/0213150/L/)

I see AWS has been reallocated, it's now on a chickenhawk.

[OpsNormal]

tinpis wrote:

Are there any old 402's (tip tanks) still flying?

A few, as far as I am aware. A 402 (not a 402A or anything - note the oval windows) operated by Westwing in Mt Isa (from their website):

http://www.westwing.com.au/images/blue-tale.jpg

They also operate a few other cabin class Cessnas including a C402B.

Tinny, from what I remember Hardy's bought one from Mt Isa early 2006 and took it to Darwin. Not sure what happened to it after that.

Regards,

OpsN.;)

[Desert Flower]

West Wing have 3 402's that I know of. RDZ (A model), TIV (B model) & they have just bought TAN (ex S.A. Police Airwing) which is a C model.

DF.

[Pinky the pilot]

Hands up all those who are glad to see the end of this piece of ****e

Did my 402 endorsement with TK himself in that a/c Peter. Way back in the year which cannot be mentioned!

It was a far better example of that model of a/c than any of those I flew in PNG though!:ugh:

[tinpis]

Hah! ...EMU ...old 402's 1975...one has images of little Lancie sunglasses propped on forehead,fag hanging out mouth heading off to "American River cob" :hmm:

[bushy]

The two Emu pilots had the best, most effective radio procedures I ever heard. "yeah righto cobber"
They passed lots of information, effectively, and did not upset anyone. (much)

[OpsNormal]

DF, RDZ is a very early C402 (ie; before the "A" designator for the model was around). When I showed the AFM for that particular aircraft to WWA's FOI he laughed and originally thought I was pulling his leg.

She's a great old bus though, anyone know if they ever got those props to keep in synch?

I've gone back to my prior post and tried to make the previous a bit clearer.

Regards,

OpsN.;)

[morno]

Ahhhh, good old RDZ. What a machine!

Relatively low timed for such an old machine. But she flew nice. Still one of my favourites of all time, :ok:.

morno

[megle2]

Some confusion maybe!
RDZ used to be a short nose 402.
Now its a long nose.
Same callsign, change of aircraft.
I think the original RDZ did some time with Unionair, TWB / BN.
It had a heavy empty weight.
Or am I confused.

[pc12togo]

TAN is one of the best 402 c in aust. Was with the SA airwing SINCE 95 in a hanger and 11,000 hours. All the gear in it works, di ice boots, prop sink. The guys and girls at Westwing will enjoy flying her.

[pc12togo]

Sorry ment to say since 85.

[Desert Flower]

DF, RDZ is a very early C402 (ie; before the "A" designator for the model was around).

OpsNormal, I was going by how it is listed on the Aircraft Register & also by what G. in WW said when I spoke to her regarding the ferrying of TAN through my location. Her words were "We now have an A model, a B model & a C model."

DF.

[CAR256]

Hey Jaba... C-310 VH-SKX??? YBTL? Not saying who or why though. :)

[compressor stall]

bugger them new fangled 402s....I got most of my early piston twin hours in three different C401s....

And that was this decade!:eek:

[Jabawocky]

Gooday CAR

Might be SKX, but the location was not YBTL. Jamair has the location spot on and he could confirm the rego too...... perhaps he knows where the photo came from:cool:.

J:ok:

[CAR256]

Okay... A positive guess... VH-SKX tracking YBTL-YBGV at JUDIE... That is the only likely conclusion that I can come up with, unless it is NOT SKX??

[morno]

So I give it 2 weeks until most of that stuff doesn't work on TAN at WW, :E

[Desert Flower]

So I give it 2 weeks until most of that stuff doesn't work on TAN at WW,

I know the autopilot wasn't working on the way up to Isa!

DF.

[pc12togo]

I was working by the time it got there. Its last flight was in Jan, AD PF. were it sat till sold. Fred took a bit to wake up and was ok for the rest of the flight.

[Bob Murphie]

http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr13/scud_2008/T28_Jandakot_Hi_res_001.jpg

[Jabawocky]

Nice T28 :ok: Bob.

Did ya get a lap in her?

Was a nice polished version at YCAB last weekend.


http://file040b.bebo.com/14/large/2008/08/17/10/4525920200a8661707165l.jpg

[Desert Flower]

I was working by the time it got there. Its last flight was in Jan, AD PF. were it sat till sold. Fred took a bit to wake up and was ok for the rest of the flight.

Ahhh, so those naughty words I heard you muttering when you were head down rear up & screwdriver in hand down the back of it worked did they? ;)

DF.

[Bob Murphie]

Jabawocky, back seated on the legs to Parafield. It is ex Bankstown, Bill Hamilton's old steed. Makes all the right noises and 2000 RPM and 30 inches on low blow gives 200 Kts and apx 200 LPH. T28D (poster), should know how to fly it now and figures may vary.

Apologies about pic size, my first attempt.

[PLovett]

Ahh Bob, with suitable hardpoints under the wing and the necessary.....umm.....attachments, it should prove very suitable for the next airport user group meeting with the airport management.:ok::}

[Nards]

A few from Camden last weekend

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii292/Nards22/VH-TKVPitts2.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii292/Nards22/Tigermothslanding.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii292/Nards22/VH-BRHTwinBonanza.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii292/Nards22/VH-JAXPittsTakeoff4.jpg


Cheers
Nards

[Nards]

Couple more. Took a mate flying is VH-SDR last year. Glorious day for open cockpit flying!

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii292/Nards22/IMGP1514.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii292/Nards22/IMGP1517.jpg

Cheers
Nards

[Nards]

Couple more. I was lucky enough to be asked to pick up Nancy Bird-Walton from Bankstown and fly her down to Nowra for the airshow a couple of years ago. Another glorious day for flying and a real privilidge for me. I got her to to sign my logbook. She certainly still has the touch as she flew us down the coast to Nowra. Yes I did stuff up the landing at Nowra in the Twin Commanche, not one of my better ones! Bit embarrassing, but I did do a better one on return to Bankstown.

My wife graciously drove down with my two girls who got to sit on her knee and get a photo with her. Overall a very very nice day (even got a VIP pass for flying her down!).

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii292/Nards22/P3260454.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii292/Nards22/P3260461.jpg

[Bob Murphie]

Those aerial shots of Camden bring back memories. Learnt to fly there. I vividly recall riding a Vincent Black Shadow down 06/24 one night. Nancy is a wonderful person. Kept myself and a couple of mates on the straight and narrow at Canning Bridge for a few days before the Perth to Sydney Air Race of 1978.

[Stormynights]

Note the holden airship in the back ground
not the most pleasant thing to fly
or should i say its different

[Pinky the pilot]

a Vincent Black Shadow

A HRD Black Shadow?:ok:

I'm salivating!!!!:E

[tinpis]

Vincent Black Shadow, not many in OZ, mind ...I know of one in Darwhine.....:rolleyes:

http://nsd.dyndns.org/MC/1950_Vincent_Black_Shadow.jpg

[Pinky the pilot]

Oi Tinny, No piccy again, Just the dreaded red x!:eek:

[tinpis]

Bugger, one is to pi$$ed to attend to it tonight :hmm:

[Clearedtoreenter]

Great pics Nards - was there myself. A great day all round and those Tigers were delight to behold.

[Bob Murphie]

Yes it was a HRD. Bloke who owned this one also had another, Black Widow or something. I owned an AJS 500 single in them days.

I believe one of the Challinor Brothers from Murwillumbah restores old bikes and if anyone had a Vincent he would, (or know who has one). They have done some excellent aircraft restorations and now devote their time to Tigers. Mothcare I think is their business name.

[Brian Abraham]

AAAH, Bob you make an old fella cry in his cups for what once was.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/babraham227/batc0001.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/babraham227/batc0002.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/babraham227/Film0024.jpg

[Chimbu chuckles]

Brian either you were/are a yank or were on exchange? One way or another there has to be a story to tell...so stop teasing a cough up.:ok:

[Jabawocky]

Yeah Brian...... tell the story.

Until then one to keep FTDK and others happy!:O

http://file046b.bebo.com/12/large/2008/08/23/08/4525920200a8713864185l.jpg

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Ahhhhh! Bonza porn. I thought that was moir - for a mo!

Dr :8

PS: Taxying out with half flap down?

[Brian Abraham]

From late 66 to early 68 some 40 or so RAN aircrew had the good fortune to be sent to Pensacola to do their training and gain their "wings". Training started out with about 20 hours on the T-34, where upon you moved on to the T-28 to do your instrument, aerobatics (barrels rolls were on instruments basically - start off on altitude/heading, pull up into roll and at wings vertical had to be 45° off heading, inverted 90° off heading, again 45° off heading when wings vertical on the pull out, and back on altitude/heading on completion, and don't touch the power), formation and carrier qualification on the "Lexington". Some were streamed from there to Corpus Christi to do the multi engine course on the S-2 and the rest of us stayed in Pensacola to convert onto helos. About 20 hours in Bell 47 followed by about 70 hours in the H-34. Both the T-28 and H-34 were powered by the glorious Wright Cyclone, what real aeroplanes are supposed to be powered by (the fragrance and sound of pistons), not your whining turbines. The "Lexington" was home ported in Pensacola for the sole purpose of carrier qualifying students (T-28, S-2, T-2 Buckeye and F-9 Cougar). Happy days.

[tinpis]

In 1970 an ex Yank Vietnam helo pilot would keep us entertained in the Goroka hotel with his guitar and many ballads
One I recall was of carrier landing training in the T-28 with a hook

[Brian Abraham]

My money would say probably one Jed Hart tinnie. Not Yank, but one of our group. We did fly with a Yank Army outfit in Vietnam.

[ekoja]

"Yes it was a HRD. Bloke who owned this one also had another, Black Widow or something. I owned an AJS 500 single in them days."

You,re not thinking of one of these?
http://www.postimage.org/gx8Pn3A.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx8Pn3A)

A Vincent Black Knight.

[tinpis]

My gawd...through the mists of time...these were the days....
I do believe it was Jed Hart Brian! :ok:
Proper folk singer was he
Begs the question dunnit..where is he?

[Brian Abraham]

You'll find Jed right here tins.
HART Aviation - Minimise and manage aviation risk (http://www.hartaviation.com.au)
I'm sure you remember the "Vatican Rag" as well. Well, perhaps not, usually accompanied by lots of lubrication.

[Bob Murphie]

Brian,

I can attest to the sounds and smell. It's a wonder the new owner hasn't posted unless he is flying it all the time and the novelty hasn't worn off.

ekoja,

It looks too polished to resemble anything we rode in those days. I can't recall. Was there a Vincent called a Black Widow?

[tinpis]

Thanks Brian,he done well int he?


It would have been Bell 47s G3 in GKA?

[tinpis]

No Vincent Black Widow, there was a Black Lightning

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/VINCENT_Black_Lightning.jpg/300px-VINCENT_Black_Lightning.jpg


Guess what this guy used as a brake?:uhoh:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4a/Rollie_Free%2C_record_run.jpg/275px-Rollie_Free%2C_record_run.jpg

[Bob Murphie]

tinpis,

That looks something like what I recall, the other Mk1 streamlining no doubt.

Brian Abraham,

Do you recall a bloke called Dick Snell, ex RAN helicopters? Another mate keeps in touch with him still and tells me he is flying rescue in Qld somewhere. I met him years ago.

[flying-spike]

I last saw Dick at Oakey with Helitech (now Sikorsky) instructing Army pilots. I haven't heard of his whereabouts since.

[bushy]

Your video store should have a copy of "The World's Fastest Indian" It's an interesting story about Burt Munro. The 'black lightning was imported to break Burt's long held record, and did.
I remember drooling over a black lightning at a moor cycle dealership in Auckland. Maybe the same one, as I think it was (is?) the only one in NZ. They broke the world speed record.

[tinpis]

I can remember drooling over brand new war surplus Army Indians in Valentines bushy

http://www.olive-drab.com/images/id_indian741_full.jpg

[Lasiorhinus]

What, should be quite easy, and if you've ever been there, Where will be quite easy as well.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/449/img0160ne9.jpg


And this should be an easy one to answer, but I still like the photo.
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/8223/ja3914onfinalrq6.jpg

[bushy]

And rows of tiger moths tied down at Mangere. 25 pounds each.

[NOtimTAMs]

Lasio, I reckon the top one is a C182 meatbomber at Tully. Slippery when wet....

[Lasiorhinus]

Slippery when wet....

Who, meatbombs? I'd imagine so...


Yes, its a 182 at Tully.


Now, for extra points, can anyone tell me who these people are, and where was the photo taken?
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5637/oldblokeskw8.jpg

[Chimbu chuckles]

Well judging by the shade of green displayed and the slightly inbred look on the fella on the far right:E I'd say it was taken in one of the eastern states...couldn't guess whether it was the North Island or South:ok::}

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Heh there Lasio!

Were you dropping meatbombs at Tully/Mission Beach yesterday when the FTDK and I passed by?

A big thumbs up to the Centre guy on 124.6 who sorted out the VFR yank having a few issues with the cloud/vis in that area yesterday. Very courteous and professional!

Cheers

Dr :8

PS: Tully? Looks more like Rotorua with all those "geisers" going off in the background!

[Lasiorhinus]

No, Doc, wasn't me. I spent Saturday at the beach.

The first photo on the page is Tully - the one with the six geezers in it is a bit further south. I believe the photo was taken in the late thirties, and while I know where it was, I genuinely don't know any of their names.

Chuck - I'm 100% certain the colour of everything in the photo was added considerably after the original photo was taken. It is a colourised black-and-white photo. Which at least explains the purple tie Geezer #2 is wearing.

[nig&nog]

lasiorhinus,

nice shot of Tully, do they still have the Navajo there, I had some very hairy takeoffs there. great acceleration on the bitumen and then you would hit the boggy grass and grind to a halt, great fun

[Stormynights]

The Nav still goes down there
is based in Cairns

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

for the bonanza freaks
Yeah, blokes like CC and Beachie are a bit that way!

Here ya go Desmo!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2029/2801519841_90f324377c.jpg?v=0

Nice! Good looking aeroplane too!

Sorry - I can't find a Bonza in either of the other pics!

Dr :8

[Jabawocky]

Desmo,

Whats ya secret mate?:ok:

All these good sorts, travelling the globe.

Please don't tell me they are all your daughters!:sad:

J:ok:

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

I'll put my money on Duxford!

Dr :8

PS: Desmo, do you need a lesson on posting pics?

[Warbo]

Is it RAF Museum - Hendon, UK?