EPST

[tunneler]

Hiya,

Just a quick question about this sponsorship thing that EPST run - Does it guarantee you a job assuming that you complete the training?? Been looking everywhere for information (web site isn´t much use)

Thanks.

Tunny

[prob30]

As i understand it you do get a job. Thats why you pay epst. They give you a type rating then look at the likes of ryanair, easyjet and the like to see who needs pilots.
I think - but cant be sure - that if you dont get a job in 18 months you get some/all your money back....but that was before the 11th... Give them a call. Cabair may be able to put you in touch, although EPST are'nt sending sponsored students there now - Jerez i think.

[Guy Bowen]

EPST are now sending their students to West Michgan alongside BA, Aer Lingus and Emirates. From what I have heard they operate along the same lines as the GAPAN sponsorship. They pay for your frozen atpl, plus a jet orientation course. Then they try and get you a job within a European airline of which they have many contacts. But I do not think they guarantee an airline career, just a promise to do the best for you.

Another thing that I heard is that you have to sign a form to allow all your theory exams results to be public knowledge. So they must all be passed first time to ensure a chance with one of the major carriers.

[presbycusis]

Well, almost right Bulldog. What they get these days is a JAA CPL/IR. Exam results are not public knowledge, they are known to instructors and the EPST management only (apart from the students themnselves). As for the standard they must reach, that is also confidential and kept within those circles. Just like BA cadets, you should not be surprised to know!

[Rogi]

It is the ATP-academy that sends the EPST-trainnee after his period at WMU to an English airliner I understand. But does the ATP-academy still have the same contracts with the airliners after 09/11 ? Is there somebody who knows something more ??

[Julian]

So how much do EPST charge for their course?

Julian.

[Rogi]

:( 88.000 US$ :(

[birdseed jr]

Be very, very careful!

I will be as objective as possible here.

1) EPST is a profit making organisation.
2) EPST market themselves as a recruiter for the airlines. On the website they used to have the BA logo. BAs head of pilot recruitment had to phone the head of EPST to ask them to remove it as there is not a relationship between BA and EPST, and never has been.
3) The EPST cadets which were sent to michigan were under the impression they had been "preselected" for British airways. This was the impression that they had been given. There was never ANY relationship or agreement between BA and EPST.

4) They ( the cadets) were told that if they were good enough for EPST there was " no reason BA or any other airline shouldnt take them. the fact that each airline looks for different things in its pilots seems to have been overlooked.

Regarding payment, depending who you talk to, the word differs but the last i heard was -the EPST cadet pays the course up front. EPST then through their "extensive " contacts place their students in the airlines. The aim is within 2 yrs as after that time the cadet has to start paying the loan off, independent of if its a flying job or not. EPST aim to place them but cannot obviously guarantee a job. They are not an airline and airlines have their own recruitment processes.

points 2 and 3 imply a certain amount of dishonesty on EPSTs part. Be VERY, VERY careful of anything they tell you.

The boss of EPST also had the cheek to suggest to the cadets they pay for his dinner when he was out to visit them in michigan. Note theyre students and will have huge debts at the end. I guess you dont get to become a successful businessman by declining free lunches.

Speak to EPST but read the small print and ask for evidence of successful placement in the past, i bet he doesnt have any figures on time and location of positioning. Also i bet you dont get a lot of notice before the courses start"or else you might miss this oppurtunity"

The EPST cadets ive met are good guys, academically very good anyway, but are slightly niave to have bought all the b******* thats been sold to them to get them to buy into the course. Its easy to mislead teenagers and then lumber them with a mortgage which theyll be paying off forever.

I do wish you all the best whatever you decide to do.

[B747-SP]

Hi there!

I am in no way an official spokeperson for EPST but I feel that I could help here.

[Rogi]

B747,

in wich way did you help ??? :confused:

[B747-SP]

Hi there!

I am in no way an official spokeperson for EPST but I feel that I could help here.

Having been involved somewhat in their selection process, I can tell you that EPST is a professional organisation.

They do not guarantee you a place with BA.
They, in conjunction with WMU can only recommend you to the BA Self Sponsored Pilot recruitment scheme. OAT do the same I believe.

They do however, guarantee that you will be placed into the right hand seat of a jet through CTC known as the ATP scheme.

If you are not selected for or by BA, then you will go through the ATP scheme.

The ATP scheme involves being placed in an airline for 6 months as a first officer. The respective airline will then offer you employment subject to suitability.

Selection for EPST is not easy. You have to complete a computer aptitude test, mathematical and mechanical tests, group assessments, an interview, and a simulator check. This is all done to figure out if you have the 'right stuff' to jump into a right hand seat of a jet immediately after training with the bare minimum of 200 hrs. The selection also gives the bank confidence that the $88,000 unsecured loan can be paid back....with interest of-course. ;)

I would not say that the cadets are naive. They are wannabes with the aspiration to fly for a living despite the 'apparent' drawbacks.

Here is something for all to ponder on: there is no such thing as free pilot training. There is however 'interest free' pilot training. BA cadets effectively pay off part of the costs during their first five years of training. (FO starting salary p/a - a few bob = CEP salary p/a)

BMI cadets pay half on ab-initio and more is deducted from them still after training for a few years.


I've been babbling on for a bit now but I think by now, you've got my drift, so that now you can adjust your thought heading and you will be pretty much on track as far as EPST is concerned. (Cheesy I know, but hey, someones gotta say it :) :) )

Best wishes for Christmas and the New Year all. :)

SP

[Sky Blue]

Could someboby please explain to me what is EPST ??

[Phoenix_X]

The discription above is quite accurate. They are a selection company, offering an ab-initio course to enter the ATP Scheme at the end. Offer includes a good financial setup with the bank.

More info at http://www.epst.com

Myself, and alot of my friends (that I made during training) went through the EPST training and are all flying RHS of a jet (146, 737, 757 and A320) for different airlines (easyJet, BE, BA, JMC, DutchBird, Go).

Those I know are either still in training or awaiting typerating at the moment. Nobody has been at home for a prolonged period of time, or 'forgotten' about. There have been 2 or 3 dropouts I won't deny, but that was caused by the students themselves, mostly motivational.

All in all EPST has simply delivered what they promised, no b*llsh*t! :D

[Elin Scheffers]

Dear Birdseed Jr,
I don't know where you got your info from, but I can tell you it's wrong. Before you post another message again on pprune in the future, make sure you know what you are talking about. Doesn't look very professional to me.
An EPST student in Michigan.

[ScottishSteve]

I met the CEO of EPST in MI (I used to live in Kalamazoo)while at the FAA Flight Camp thingybobmijig. The guy was really honest about the %s and the #s going thru them and beyond, and the company's future plan in using England based training facilities.

He drew me up the plan and it seemed really good.

Good luck to all trainees at WMU, you're in a great school! (but you get crappy lunch)

Steve

[more of that later]

Are EPST accepting British wannabes cash now? When I was training there was a bit of a hoo-hah regarding the enequitable nature of the scheme.

I did the EPST thing in reverse, because it wasn't available for UK guys then. I paid for myself through ab-initio training, and then applied to the ATP scheme with my CPL/IR. I was fortunate to be accepted and was subsequently placed for six months with Air2000.

The ATP scheme and EPST are really one and the same. It is the ATP scheme (CTC aviation) that have the contacts and the ability to place cadets in the RHS. If you think you're of the right stuff then apply to the ATP scheme after training. The tests, interviews, sim cx, group ex's are exactly the same as the ones EPST do at the 'front end' before the training starts.

Good luck whichever way you do it. I cannot stress enough the quality of the ATP organisation, and I owe all my success to the guys there.

...and to all my Dutch friends, love and kisses. xx

Merry Chrimbo.

[birdseed jr]

Id like to respond to some of the comments regarding my previous post.

The post began when somone asked what the story was with EPST.

I responded with my observations from the EPST cadets i have encountered, and do encounter every day.

I have no wish to attack them. The information i gave came from the EPST cadets through conversation with them. If they dispute what i have said then it is they that are unable to articulate what EPST is. The others who have read this post who are familiar with these cadets have not seen anything less than truthful in my previous post.

Anyway know that is off my chest, i will respond to the points made.

Firstly ill quotes some of the comments which i can swear on both my enormous bollocks were made by the first group of EPST cadets to arrive in WMU. I will say that it is these cadets that were given the incorrect impression and have no idea and therefore cannot offer any opinion on what EPST have told them. What i will say is that the second course of EPST cadets i met, are not under the same impression as the first.

The quotes

1) "If we get more than 85% in our exams then theres no reason for BA not to take us"

2) "Were as much part of BA as you are"

3) "I was told i was preselcted for BA"- to head of BA pilot recruitment.

4) "Well can you tell me what i am doin here"-again to head of BA pilot recruitment after previous statements response was in the negative.
(slightly more aggressively spoken)

5) EPST cadets very upset with BA cadet who ordered BA t-shirts who hadnt ordered them for EPST cadets.

6) If you can find the speedbird 7 website, ( i couldnt actually, but im told it exists) then a member of EPST posted a mesage describing he/him (as coming to WMU later in the year) as speedbird 9.

7) "When will we be introduced to BA?"- said by EPST cadet to senior WMU official during post sept 11th briefing, illustrating the current predicament following the attacks and the implications on VFR flying, security and the ineviatable problems it will cause for pilot recruitment.

Thermy,
In response to your post,

a) "i dont know where you got your info from "
b) "Doesnt look very professional to me"

If i have your identity correct, ( MS with leopard skin), hopefully this is sufficiently subtle( even though thats not your strong point) to let you know that i know who you are without embarassing you further, you can manage that yourself. If youre not who i think you are, then please ignore the below comment.

A) i got quite a lot of info from you! Points 3,4,5,6 and 7 above were quotes from you! Can you believe that!- if you have anything you can add to this post or dispute the points i made, then please do so, im attempting to inform tunneller of the bad points of EPST, if you can counter them then do so, dont just post an uninformative post criticising anothers post without backing it up in some way- thats not unprofessional, its just useless.

Secondly, regarding what i should and shouldnt post here, this is a rumour network. I am entitled to post positive and negative things as required and i am professional enough to consider very carefully what i post, and ensure that it is as objective as possible.


Talking of being unprofessional, a little public email that went around post dinner would probably demonstrate how "professional" you are. Dont tell me it was confidential because you sent it to the whole course. You obviously arent opposed to public criticism of others, so why cant they criticise you? No i can put my hand on heart and tell you i wouldnt do that, but i think ive proven my point.

Now having said all that, i heard a rumour that some of the EPST cadets actually emailed the moderator to have this thread closed.( i think a nerve may have been taouched)
I gather the response was in the negative. If this is incorrect, then im sure i will be correcred by WWW or scroggs. As i said in the first sentence of the paragraph, it is a RUMOUR i heard. Requesting this smacks of censorship, surely reasoned debate would help attract EPST cadets, rather than thermys enlightend comments. If a line pilot requested that any time a negative comment was made about their airline, then pprune would slow to a grinding halt. Its called free speech guys, get a life. Im also told that the cadets contacted the head of EPST who told them not to worry. That in itself imroves my impression of him.

Attempting to find my identity too by asking around who was in the computer room when my first reply was posted and investigating with robotic like precision is extremely anal, get over it!

What i would further like to add is that i heard
that one EPST cadet in thinks that hell be a captain in 6 years. THis is maybe good marketing be EPST, or is that brainwashing. Or is it just niave. If a FO becomes a captain in six year, and theres an equal number of captains and FOs in an airline, then surely you must retire after 12 yrs. This cant be correct can it???

Also i heard another rumour that one of the previous posts (b747-sp) is the son of EPSTs founder. If this isnt correct, then my apologies 747-sp.and if its another poster, then please identify yourself as such.

Now if you want to reply to the points i made, then do me the service of doing so to help those who may be thinking of applying to EPST. If you can produce a copy of the contract stating what guarantee EPST give you about placement and more importantly what happens if youre not placed, do you owe any cash, does EPST pay it off? I dont know, you tell us, show us the contract.

To finish, i know youre aware im a BA cadet, my previous post on another thread stated that, and i know you looked-(sherlock homes would be proud). I have been very careful not to make this sound like a BA cadet versus EPST cadet thread. If that kind of thread had been started on Jetblast i wouldnt have bothered even looking at it twice, never mind posting. We all saw the hammering Vref and carnage matey gave seneca soarer-most of the BA cadets sat back and let it roll-the malicious tuff was what got that thread closed down, but i dont know of any BA cadet who asked for that thread to be closed, just because people came out who had a bad impression of us, rightly or wrongly.

I dont wish to make this a competition, really , i wish you all the best, but some of you seem too think that it is. If anyone can be bothered find EPST 1swebsite. Look for the "breaking news"- it stated EPST cadets beat BA cadets in class exams. Now tell me thats not anal. One), We didnt know there was a competion 2) we hope everyone in the class does well 3) apparently your marks were better by 1% average- who the hell counted that up, who cared enough to even make the effort to find that out? Shame on you, we should all be in his together. Youll probably think this is sour grapes, but i can put my hand on both balls and say it honestly is not. ( However i wonder what the average would have been if one of you number hadnt gone home with a mystery illness the doctors in america couldnt diagnose which then mysteriously cleared up when they went home!)In fact if you take their mark at their exams later on, i bet the average is changed, and not in your favour!! If your target mark is 85% and EPSTs average was 84 and BA 83, while BAs target marks were 75%, then surely we actually beat you??

I dont wish to air dirty laundry in public, but if you my integrity,thermy but accusing me of posting without thinking about the advice i gave to a wannabee, then i will respond proportionally. I would question your selective memory of the things that you have said.

Anyway i think i have taken up enough space, my last post threw the cat amongst the pigeons, i wonder if this will do the same.
Again if any previous EPST cadets have views then i would be interested to hear them. If they havent been led up the garden path, i would like to hear their views.

Have a happy christmas everyone.

[birdseed jr]

Ive just read my above post after i wrote it 2 days ago- i apologise for the awful grammar!!

[Airbus A320]

Wow,

Saucer of milk, table 2 please!!

[tailscrape]

F@cking grow up you lot. Stop being such a bunch of prima donnas.

The way yoyu lot go on, I can assure you I would hate to sit next to you. Now grow up or ship out.

Yours,

A disgruntled and astonished airline pilot from UK.

[B747-SP]

Ah birdseed!

I must say, I was quite amused by your post.

For the record, I am an ordinary poster ( and an aspiring pilot <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> ) who has only told everyone what I have experienced whilst dealing with EPST.
I reside and work in England for a well known organisation. (Not aviation related in the slightest..although I wish it was)

If what you say is correct about an EPST course, then the students might be slightly 'off track' in assuming that they will be placed DIRECTLY into BA as you put it. I have seen a copy of a contract and can tell you they will only get into BA if they are recommended by EPST & WMU AND pass the self sponsored pilot selection that BA apparently offer.

On asking the CEO of EPST about BA he said that success with Big A depended on the student pilot, (quite obvious that one) however, EPST guarantee to get the best out of the student to achieve this. Incidently, one of the selectors for EPST is a retired BA captain who was the head of BA cadet pilot recruitment at one time. He certainly was looking for pilots of a similar quality to that of which BA would accept. Anyway, if the EPST cadets believe that they will be placed directly into BA, then they are mistaken and have pretty much inferred the given information incorrectly.(BA verbal reasoning basic). Myself and a few others certainly did not get that impression from EPST.

EPST have produced cadets that have worked just as hard as you to get where they are. The cadets deserve as much respect as any other sponsored pilot. Despite your apparent yet not admitted ill feelings about EPST, I hope the respect between you two (generally speaking), is positively mutual.

So, it appears that some EPST students may have gone overboard as mentioned earlier, but they are entitled to believe that they may be successful with your sponsoring company. Shouldn't we all? Like the saying goes...'Aim high and you'll reach the sky!' (quite relevant that ...don't you think?)

I know the BA course which was cancelled in September was meant to be in the same class with EPST. Sept 12 was the starting date, I think. How much do you you know about this? Is your source reliable?

I would also recommend that you click on the CTC link that is sometimes advertised here on PPRuNe. The ATP scheme of which is on offer by EPST is explained there. There are posts on this also.You could ask EPST for a look at the contract for more accuracy if you like.

My conclusion for all considering EPST: EPST are very professional and their cadets are very switched on. Birdseed and BA at WMU have probably noticed the latter. EPST do encourage their cadets to be the best and to aim high. I see no problem in that and I do wish you all the very best in securing your dreams. It is not easy, I know.


If there are any replies to this, please make sure that they are constructive. There should be no need for anymore childish behaviour. (I sound like my mum)

SP

HO HO HO....Merry Christmas <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

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[instereo]

birdseed,
I suggest you be VERY careful about the content of your posts. I understand there are only eight of you on the BA course which would narrow down the possibilities somewhat. Not only does it look rather immature but it also gives people the impression that BA cadets are complete idiots. As a former cadet, I know how easily one can get a name which is difficult to shake. Not to mention the fact that you are bringing the company's name into disrepute. I would edit your post very quickly before too many people get a chance to read it. Trust me, people in BA keep a keen eye on this website and they will find out who you are.

[birdseed jr]

b747sp
-Apologies for implying you were anybody else, i stand corrected.
I hope the rest of your reply was helpful to whoever is interested in epst. For the record i do not bear any ill will to any EPST cadet, i simply believe the impression they got from EPST was not accurate. I have stated the examples as to why i belive so. This may sound harsh, but i think it was necessary. And yes, i do respect them and do appreciate that they have worked as hard as we have, if not harder to be here.
I didnt understand your comment about the sept 12th course, but yes the other half of the EPST course due to start that date were BA cadets.

Tailscrape,
Im aware of the concerns you have. Im not actually one of the 8 BA cadets you belive i am. I realise the post can be viewed as being bitchy, but i tried hard not to let it get too out of hand. If id given that kind of impression, i apologise for doing so.

[pacole]

I have just been looking at the EPST website on their AJFC course. I have heard some good things about the school from sources I trust.

However I was wondering whether their are any pilots out there who have been through this course and have any comments on its value. Did it help them get a job? EPST claim to actively help in the job hunt for people who make it through the course as airlines want their students. Is this realy the case? If so what does it amount too. Whilst i certainly don't think EPST are telling any porkies I would just like the reassurance of the forums opinion before I sunk another 4.5K on training.

[scottwarnick]

I recently tried to do the on line aptitude test at EPST.com and not only did it crash they charged my card four times!

Services not provided and 80 euros on my card...

I did complain but only got a snotty email back a month later that i was at fault and couldn't follow instructions!

Thats customer care for you!

Anyone else had a run in with these hooligans?

:mad: :{

[FlyingForFun]

If it's a credit card which was used, your credit card company should protect you from this. Write to them to explain what has happened (include a copy of the e-mail you got), and they will remove the charges from your next statement.

FFF
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[scottwarnick]

I've tried that already...

You'd think a potential customer with grands to spend on flight time they would be a bit more flexible...

[scottwarnick]

I had another Email from Dick Vanderburg this morning after my claim for services not provided simply stating it was my fault for paying for the service.......

How can this be allowed??????????

[YYZ]

Get back onto your credit card company, it is not allowed and you will covered by the internet fraud protection that I think all/most cards now have.

YYZ

[DANNY M]

Has anyone here done the European Pilot Selection & Training IPAS test?

http://www.epst.com/index.html


I have just completed it with a score of 6179

SCORE

Unsatisfactory Satisfactory Good Excellent


Ballgame Score: 325 (excellent)
Total recall Score: 14 (good)
Math test Score: 10 (good)
Wings and Things Score: 29 (excellent)
Bingo Score: 29 (good)
Total score Score: 6179 (excellent)

I was then taken to another screen with what looked like top scores, I ranked 6th from the top but there were no numbers on the left to say if that was from 1 down?

Just trying to establish if it actually was a good test result or just another joe average???


Hmmmmm?


Danny :confused:

[dboy]

Hi,

Has anyone done this course??
What's your opinion about this and did it give you the opportunity to get a job....or is this just another scam???

grtz

[low n' slow]

Can you give us some more info on it?
Is it one of those "have a go at flying a jet for a rediculous price that isn't really needed-courses" commonly known as jet orientation courses.
Apparantly they're a part of the game in the US, but over here in Europe you don't really need it unless you have extra money to spend on pointless extra education. Better to save your cash for a SSTR.

But please provide us with more info like a website, before I start ranting...

EDIT: After having found the website for myself, it sounds more like a service that operators may use in evaluating candidates (like an extended simcheck). Still sounds quite pointless to buy such an evaluation as a private person. Go straight for a TR instead and then hope you pass any possible subsequent simchecks. I cant see anywhere that this course would end up with an offer of an airline job.

/LnS

[soconfused]

Does anyone have any views, information, suggestions about the EPST First Officer Integrated scheme?

Just wondering how it compares to other FTOs? I recently passed the selection at FTE in Jerez, and wondering how EPST compares to FTE.

Sorry if this has been discussed before, my search didnt come up with much info about EPST.

Thanks! :)

[soconfused]

According to their site, theyre now training their students at DanFly in Denmark, dont know if thats up to date though...

Emailed them yesterday and they send theyd send me more info when they know because its a new course theyre starting.

[Carltonxyz]

You can check directly with EPST. It is simple in that they run two programmes. The EUROPILOT Program is for Dutch and Belgium candidates (due to bank limitations) and provides a full-unsecured loan for the EPST selected candidates. This programme runs at OAT.

The new EPST First Officer programme is an additional/new programme that is done with DanFly. It has the same setup, integrated course, EPST’s AJFC at the end. No bank loan is provided in this one, but EPST does guarantee the training fees back in the case of a training failure. They will provide this guarantee letter to all selected candidates for the programme, in order to easy the way to obtain a bank loan in their own country.

C.

[soconfused]

I gather EPST have a good reputation, and good links to UK airlines. Since the training has now been moved to Dan-Fly, is this going to be a problem to prospective airlines?

Has anyone got any information about Dan-Fly? Or any insights in how this will affect the reputation of EPST?

Thanks.

[mattycourt]

Hi all.

I have been looking into EPST's Integrated First Officer Pragramme in asscociation with Dan Fly. The course seems to offer everything, and more, in which you need to become employable with an airline. You even go to Nyenrode Business University to to a basic managemnt programme.

'The objective of this BMP course is to provide EPST’s pilot graduates with a better understanding of the management functions within the airline. It will provide an insight into the management role and contribution to the running of the airline.'

The course costs 71,000 euros, approx 50,000 pounds sterling. They claim on their website that the average waiting time after graduation to flying with an airline is 3 months.

They also have a contingency fund set up which can enable the candidate to regain all of the training cost they have paid if they do not show the right apptitude through the course and subsequently do not graduate. This contingrncy fund is also used if the airlines require the candidate to pay for their own type rating. They claim that they will take the risk for the type rating.

'A number of airlines are asking their pilots to pay for the Type Rating. Normally, EPST students are placed with airlines who still provide the Type Rating or ask for a minimum contribution of this training. In the case Type Rating has to be paid by the students, this amount is not included in the training cost specified, but the training is covered by the EPST contingency fund (EPST will take the risk).'

This all seems to good to be true. I was just wondering if anyone could comment on the training standards etc if they have been through the course and what the outcome was on getting employed after graduation.

Also can anyone shed some light on theis contingency fund that will pay for the type rating if need be.

Thank you very much in anticiaption.

[Pedro1]

Mattycourt,

I am currently on the latest EPST course, so would be glad to answer any questions you have. Well, if I know the answer! The EPST contingency fund is set up to refund the cost of training up to the point of failure, should you fail for any reason besides gross misconduct, or dropping out by choice. The selection process they use is very rigorous, and this contingency fund is in place to illustrate how confident they are in the accuracy of that process. However, it will not cover any potential costs of a type rating. Whilst they will endeavour to place you with an airline that pays for your type rating, if this is not possible, then the contingency fund will not cover it.

I have found them to be very professional, organised and extremely helpful. No flight school will offer you a guaranteed job at the end, but EPST will assist you in every possible manner they can after you get your licence. I would highly recommend them. I suggest you go ahead and contact them if you are in doubt, I found them to answer all my questions in a straightforward and honest way. :)

Good luck.

[Snowblind the Cadet]

Hello everyone,
As you can see I am new to the comunity and this is my first post.

As I want to be an airline pilot when I grow up, I was on the look-out for flight schools.I soon found EPST.After e-mailing them several times I decided to go check it out.I was 16 at the time(I still am lol) and so too young to take their evaluation course so I got a full tour instead.I met the staff, talked about aviation(When in Rome...;) ) and decided that I will return when I'm 18.I have 1 week to become 17 so in a year I'lll be back up there doing the Compass and other aptitude tests.In my Experience they were honest and helpful and I look forward to returning to Utrecht in Feb 2008.

Snowblind

[dbrown744]

Hi All,

Does anybody have any info on this FTO (www.epst.com (http://www.epst.com)), quality, likelyhood of employment, etc.? Tried doing a search but didnt come up with any useful results. Has anybody had any experiences with them that they could share? Seems quite cheap for an integrated course.

Thanks

Darren

[Danny87]

Don't know...:ugh:

[Dolley]

It does sound interesting.

It's a shame that they don't go into more details and don't mention finance options at all...

But sorry, I don't know anything about them either...

[hollingworthp]

I know that at least some of them are sent to OAT (it could be all of them) for some or all of their training.

[future captain]

Most of the pics are of Oxford grads.

[equinox_code]

i've tried phoning and emailing EPST, but they don't seem able to give me any definite answers with regard to finance. is it possible to get an un-secured loan for the full amount required? in essence, their resposnes so far have been that i 'might be able to'. quite frustrating

[hollingworthp]

I'm not 100% on this - but I understand that to go through EPST (and get a hefty discount on the OAT price) you have to take a specific loan which is only available to dutch nationals. You might find OAT can give you a definitive answer.

[equinox_code]

crap. i'm not a dutch national

will give OAT a call at the weekend and see if they can help clear up the confusion. i'm expecting there to be 'no chance whatsoever' of me securing the loan