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16th Jul 2006, 04:04
(Can't believe this subject has not been covered before now but I did a search all the way back to the year 2000 and found nothing.)
The B737-800 at Max Landing Weight (66.3 tons):
Vref 40 = 142 kt
Vref 15 = 157 kt
With regards to Aircraft Performance Category for circling approach purposes, the B737-800 comes under Category C during normal (Flap 40) operations. However when the operations are not normal such that Flap 15 must be used (Alternate flap operation, one engine inoperative, etc) shouldn't the crew then consider the aircraft to be Category D with the subsequent increase in circling minima and circling area?
The Australian AIP says:
ENR 1.5 HOLDING, APPROACH AND DEPARTURE PROCEDURES
1.2.2 An aircraft must fit into and be operated in accordance with the requirements of only one category. An aircraft:
a. may not reduce category because of reduced operating weight, but
b. must incease category when actual handling speeds are in excess of thse for category (based on Vat) detailed a sub-section 1.15
(Vat = speed at the threshold)
Cat C Vat = 121 - 140 kt
Cat D Vat = 141 - 165 kt
I know that it also says that Vat is equal to 1.3 times the stall speed, and that the Flight Crew Training Manual only shows speeds to stick shaker and that stick shaker has a margin from memory of 7% above the actual stall speed (which I can't find written anywhere anymore). But even with this in mind, the B737-800 (and B737-400 for that matter) still becomes a Category D aircraft when using Flap 15 for landing.
It's just that in all the years I have flown twin jets, this subject has never been mentioned.
What are your thoughts please?
The B737-800 at Max Landing Weight (66.3 tons):
Vref 40 = 142 kt
Vref 15 = 157 kt
With regards to Aircraft Performance Category for circling approach purposes, the B737-800 comes under Category C during normal (Flap 40) operations. However when the operations are not normal such that Flap 15 must be used (Alternate flap operation, one engine inoperative, etc) shouldn't the crew then consider the aircraft to be Category D with the subsequent increase in circling minima and circling area?
The Australian AIP says:
ENR 1.5 HOLDING, APPROACH AND DEPARTURE PROCEDURES
1.2.2 An aircraft must fit into and be operated in accordance with the requirements of only one category. An aircraft:
a. may not reduce category because of reduced operating weight, but
b. must incease category when actual handling speeds are in excess of thse for category (based on Vat) detailed a sub-section 1.15
(Vat = speed at the threshold)
Cat C Vat = 121 - 140 kt
Cat D Vat = 141 - 165 kt
I know that it also says that Vat is equal to 1.3 times the stall speed, and that the Flight Crew Training Manual only shows speeds to stick shaker and that stick shaker has a margin from memory of 7% above the actual stall speed (which I can't find written anywhere anymore). But even with this in mind, the B737-800 (and B737-400 for that matter) still becomes a Category D aircraft when using Flap 15 for landing.
It's just that in all the years I have flown twin jets, this subject has never been mentioned.
What are your thoughts please?
