Reds downed by Cessna [Archive]

Skunkerama

26th Jun 2006, 15:01

Just noticed in one of the papers (express?) that the red Arrows had to abandon a display this weekend and "perform emergency landings" (paper hype) after a Cessna 172 wandered into their display path.

Think it was at Kemble airfield.

Any genuine info on this?

BossEyed

26th Jun 2006, 15:21

See the thread (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=231074)in Private Flying forum.

sonicstomp

26th Jun 2006, 20:36

I think, sadly, the time has come to ban all hobby flying (including pseudo-flying related activities such as gliding)...It seems, alas, the only option.

:E

Chesty Morgan

26th Jun 2006, 20:43

Surely this is justification for carrying a couple of 'winders when they display!

hoodie

26th Jun 2006, 20:44

Absolutely concur. The non-operational hobbyist Reds (and BBMF etc) are complete anachronisms and need chopping soonest.

sonicstomp

26th Jun 2006, 20:59

Chesty - agree, I think to be fair however the on-station E3 should issue a couple of warning calls on guard before the clearance to engage is issued...

MightyGem

26th Jun 2006, 21:55

Funnily enough, there was an article in the latest GASCo (http://www.gasco.org.uk/pages/home.asp?i_ToolbarID=8&i_PageID=94) Flight Safety magazine on this very subject.

Chesty Morgan

26th Jun 2006, 21:59

Sonic. What's the point? The cheesedicks wouldn't be listening anyway!

Oh wait...now I see....

NURSE

27th Jun 2006, 08:18

may be some CAP on airshows. would a lynx with a couple of GPMGS be quick enough to catch most Civvy fun flyers? Intercept then make follow to covnenient airfield were aircraft will be siezed. If the Civvy piolt wont comply a few bursts of 1:1 tracer might encourage him its is a good idea to do what the Nice chap in the Green helicopter wants. Bit less expensive than a sidewinder

sonicstomp

27th Jun 2006, 10:15

Nurse - believe similar tactic (albeit without the tracer) used by SH during G8 ops - bet the cheeser got a bit of a shock when the green helo rocked-up on his wing as he approached the restricted area!!

:E

airborne_artist

27th Jun 2006, 10:49

My first trip in uniform to the US was to 1st SOW in FL. The MH-53 with door and ramp mounted .50 cal MGs would be my platform of choice. Not as fast as the Lynx of course, but :mad: :mad: cking ugly.

http://seals.longboys.net/MH-53_02.jpg

microlight AV8R

27th Jun 2006, 10:59

As a civvie fun flyer myself I'm beginning to feel a little uneasy :eek:

Have decided to go for tube & fabric construction for reduced/nil radar returns. Perhaps I should also consider brushing up on nap of the earth flying and oil injection to the exhaust to lay a smoke screen :E

Seriously though, I will check notams before every flight. No excuses in this (internet) day & age.

So, who's first to have a go against me? Dissimilar or what ?! Up against an 85hp rag & tube microlight. Interesting scenario methinks :cool:

ratty1

27th Jun 2006, 11:03

Perhaps I should also consider brushing up on nap of the earth flying

Then you will get done for low flying...................:ugh:

microlight AV8R

27th Jun 2006, 11:10

Not so long as you are more than 500ft from any person, vessel, vehicle or structure. I thought somebody would bite on that one :cool:

Note: the 500ft rule is a 'distance from' rule, not a 500ft minimum height rule.

MAD Boom

27th Jun 2006, 12:10

Thanks Micro,

'Cos we on this military aircrew forum really need reminding of what the rules are.

Thanks for keeping us in line. Now watch out for those tracers! :ooh:

"If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball"

airborne_artist

27th Jun 2006, 12:14

500ft from any person, vessel, vehicle or structure

Still bl:mad: :mad: dy high though :E

GK430

27th Jun 2006, 12:36

And to think you chaps had a GR4 at Kemble to carry out the intercept.
But then again, it made a terrible noise soon after bringing the throttles up and then the buckets went out.......:{

spectre150

27th Jun 2006, 13:04

Eew. Must have been interesting. As I recall Kemble is short (but obviously meeting the requirement of GASOs := ) with no arresting thingies. Well done for bringing it to a safe stop. Glad I didnt have to get it home after the engine change :D

ratty1

27th Jun 2006, 14:48

Skunkerama

27th Jun 2006, 15:06

Ohhhh look at you with your laardy da low flying hoovers, were ever so gratefull mista and ever so meek.

West Coast

27th Jun 2006, 17:34

Artist

How dare you post that butt ugly USAF overweight POS when you could have posted a picture of its beautiful cousin the CH53D that I used to fly.

WeaselRN

28th Jun 2006, 00:34

Be original. CANPS? Anyone.......?

DummyRun

28th Jun 2006, 01:16

Had it been Green Barrows not Red Arrows, display would have carried on followed by bird(cessna) strike report on landing.

Load Moving........

NutLoose

30th Jun 2006, 00:48

Artist

How dare you post that butt ugly USAF overweight POS when you could have posted a picture of its beautiful cousin the CH53D that I used to fly.

In that case have one i took too :}

http://mysite.orange.co.uk/aircraftphoto/CH_53_EGNX__Paint.jpg

Selac66

30th Jun 2006, 01:09

That's just wrong! :uhoh:

BEagle

30th Jun 2006, 06:38

Even uglier than the Nimrod 2000....err, MRA4.

Which I didn't think was possible!

Low Ball

30th Jun 2006, 06:50

Just a thought since there was another thread recently abouts the Reds. Perhaps this was Red 10 trying to save money, by not using DHFS helicopter, but there was a head wind and the Cessna was late?

LB;) :D

Aeronut

30th Jun 2006, 07:27

You could hardly call that nap of the earth flying..............:uhoh:

Well it might well be if there is no person, vessel, vehicle or structure within 500ft.