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Xeque
1st May 2006, 04:38
This from todays (Monday May 1) London Daily Telegraph
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Flip seats may cut risk of DVT for airline passengers
By David Millward, Transport Correspondent
(Filed: 01/05/2006)
Cinema-style "flip seats" could be introduced on aircraft to speed boarding and help cut the risk of Deep Vein Thrombosis (DVT).
The aviation industry has been experimenting with ways of maximising the space for passengers and developing materials which would make seats slimmer. The flip seat designs were displayed this month at a trade fair in Hamburg.
New composites are leading to thinner seat backs, but the flip seats are seen as an even better way of increasing the space available. According to Aida, the German manufacturers, passengers will have three times as much room as on a conventional seat.
Boarding will be quicker, because passengers will be able to move swiftly into their seats having stowed their luggage, which in turn means that other passengers will not be backed up the aisle.
Disembarking would also be swifter and going to the lavatory mid-flight will no longer entail clambering awkwardly over the person in the adjacent seat.
One of the biggest advantages will be the ability it gives passengers to stretch their legs. By just standing up they will be able to do a range of exercises which could reduce the risk of DVT, which affects more than 8,000 British passengers a year.
Airlines cannot afford to ignore the problem of DVT, said John Smith, Labour MP for the Vale of Glamorgan. Mr Smith, who chairs the all-party parliamentary group on thrombosis, is campaigning for a legal obligation on airlines to have a duty of care for the health and well-being of their passengers.
"These seats could address the problem. Passengers would have room to escape, stand up, wiggle their toes and move around a bit," he said. "This sounds like an intelligent and commercially viable idea."
The flip seats may be one way of reducing the risk, but there are difficulties. Aircraft seats often house the electrics for entertainment systems and the life jacket is stored underneath.
And there is still some scepticism in the airline industry. A spokesman for Thomsonfly said: "We are constantly monitoring the market place for new modifications. If there was demand for this style of seat, and it fitted with our business model, we would consider it."
Nevertheless the flip designs are seen as a more realistic alternative to another version known as "sit-stand" seats, which would cut the space between seats from 31 inches to 26 inches. The seats could also be used on trains and ferries, and increase the number of passengers by 20 per cent.
Arndt Stephan, the vice-president of Aida, said of the sit-stand seats: "We wanted to reduce the pitch, especially on high capacity aircraft. I think for a short time, say no more than an hour, it would be like sitting on a bar stool, but there would be a back rest."
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Seems like it might be a good idea so long as the airlines don't use it as an excuse to reduce the seat pitch.

CWL2YOW
1st May 2006, 17:43
What I don't understand is the need for such seats. What causes DVT? Some people suggest that it is caused by staying stationary for too long, so, on a long haul flight, this means, sitting in a single position for hours upon end. Let's assume that this long haul flight was from London to Los Angeles, which is approx 11 hours. Tell me something - have you sat down and not moved for 11 hours? Other than being asleep, I can't think of a single time when I have been sat down for more than a few hours, be it at work, home, or on a plane. Why would people think that just because they are on a plane, they are not allowed to stand and move? This perplexes me. Can anyone tell me a little more about DVT and whether it is solely related to the seating position or are there other factor, such as cabin pressure. Thanks

PAXboy
2nd May 2006, 15:46
DVT can come from many causes. A case I hear of last year: The woman was pooly in the monring and it was not understood why. Visited doctor who scratched head and sent her home and she died in A&E that evening. The post mortem showed that it was DVT. She had not been near an aircraft in months.

The African Dude
3rd May 2006, 21:35
"I think for a short time, say no more than an hour, it would be like sitting on a bar stool, but there would be a back rest."

What happens to the punter when the bar stool has to make a PFL?