PAY RISE - REALISATION

[Lima Juliet]

So we're getting 3% are we...?
I've just done the maths (or math for our colonial friends) and I get the following:
Level 3 OF3 (Lt Cdr/Major/Sqn Ldr) as of 1 Apr 05 daily rate £121-62 and enhanced flying pay £36-53. This totals £57724.75 pa.
Level 3 OF3 as of 1 Apr 06 daily rate £122-37 and flying pay £37.63. This totals £58400 pa.
Anyway I do the maths that makes a 1.7% increase. The only way I can make it the Government quoted 3% is to look at the next yearly level increase of pay to Level 4 (totals £59458.90 pa).
Am I missing something or have I unconvered another con from our wonderful Gov???
Harrumphhh!:*
LJ

[Ginseng]

I think you must have been using the wrong figures old fruit, or your maths has let you down on the way. My change is precisely 3.0%. Of course, that is before I lose 41% of the 3% in tax and NICs, pay goodness knows what % increase on my SFA, compulsory useless garage, CILOCT etc. Not much left after that, methinks.

Regards

Ginseng

[Talking Radalt]

Rank-related flying pay.:hmm:
How the hell does that work?!!!

[Arty]

Just had a quick look at the pay scales from 1 Apr 05 and it gives level 3 as £43,366 = £118.81 per day. (It's on page 63 of this years report if you check out the link).

If you've been paid £121.62 daily for the last year I'd keep it quiet - thats level 4 !

Hope this helps, regards :\







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[Lima Juliet]

Yup they've got the wrong the wrong Level on the pay statement - unless I'm being demoted...and I don't know about it!

Matter closed with thanks (sorry for maligning you wonderful beancounternesses)

LJ

[Grimweasel]

Never mind. Heard a rumour the Navy and Army JPA rollout has been delayed by a few months!
AT this rate no-one will get ANY pay!!!

[WhiteOvies]

A friend of mine had exactly this sort of cock up PRIOR to any intervention from JPA. No one had told the pay people that he had received a 2 year extension to his 6 years so they merrily stopped paying him at the 6 year point! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Bluntend]

That happened to me too when I got a years extension to my SSC. Apparently (for pre JPA) in your last month your pay gets switched over to a seperate computer system. One system knew I was staying in for another year so didn't pay me, the other thought I was on the way out so didn't pay me either. To be fair to the Adminers they got it sorted pretty quickly though.

[Smudger552]

We've been told at a JPA brief to have at least one months pay in our account when the change over comes.....I guess they aren't too confident about the change over!!! Anyone got a spare months pay I can have?:bored:

[airborne_artist]

We've been told at a JPA brief to have at least one months pay in our account when the change over comes.....

That's worth a letter to your MP, who should ask Reid how his dept can get away with such a brazen approach to a serious issue. Imagime the problems that could occur if a lad/lass is not paid on time while at sea/war/on det and his/her cheques/DDs bounce while they are dodging bullets?

In a civilian environment it is a breach of contract not to pay staff on time, and on the rare occaisions where it has happened (as a result of a cockup in BACS etc) the companies I've heard of have paid all out of pocket costs for overdrafts etc. When a customer of mine paid me late and blamed a new computer system I promptly sent them a late payment surcharge which they also paid.

[WPH]

Found out today that RILOR will be renamed home to duty under JPA. What difference does it make? Not a lot it appears so long as you don't live more than 50 miles from your place of duty. Currently RILOR allows you to claim up to 70 miles with the CO's discretion. I claim the maximum and it is worth £10.28 a day, £3752.20 a year. Under the new rules 50 miles pays £10.47 less personal contribution of £2.57 = £7.90 a day, £2883.50 a year which means £868.70 less a year!! (RILOR is tax free I believe:confused: )

The new scheme comes in when your service goes across to JPA (RAF 1 Apr 06) and you have no rights to previous allowance rates. Those that made a conscious decision to claim RILOR instead of disturbance allowance/ legal fees etc may now be kicking themselves as now you can claim both disturbance allowances and home to duty, I'm led to believe.

Thanks for the 3% pay rise but it won't cover the reduction in allowances!!:mad:

[JessTheDog]

That's worth a letter to your MP, who should ask Reid how his dept can get away with such a brazen approach to a serious issue. Imagime the problems that could occur if a lad/lass is not paid on time while at sea/war/on det and his/her cheques/DDs bounce while they are dodging bullets?


Sue the MoD and get the missus or mister (or mater and pater) to tip off the press.

OUR TROOPS NOT PAID FOR MONTHS...etc....

[SirToppamHat]

We've been told at a JPA brief to have at least one months pay in our account when the change over comes.....

How about they give you one month's pay prior to the changeover and you pay it back in the unlikely event that your pay isn't screwed-up during the first 6 months? Thought not! :mad:

[ShyTorque]

In the late 1970s, the RAF made an announcement that they couldn't pay anyone as they had no money left. Impressed us no end. :rolleyes:

[airborne_artist]

In the late 1970s almost the entire Forces had a pay rise of 35% in one year - Mrs T pre-the 79 election promised us the AFPRB award in full in that year. Callaghan offered to pay it over two years.

As Mrs T won, my pay went up by about 65% in six weeks, as I started getting flying pay, and had a seniority pay rise on completion of my first year. ISTR it went from £2,600 to £4,500 :ok:

[SRENNAPS]

WPH,
Good words but i am afraid they appear to have fallen on deaf ears. Anyway me and you wear a blue suit so we should gladly accept the changes so that those others can benefit.

[L J R]

Are you actually POSITIVE that they advised you to have a month's pay in your bank. (Exact words please).



Who ACTUALLY has any money left on the 31st of the month - let alone a saving of 31 day's pay??

[ShyTorque]

In the late 1970s almost the entire Forces had a pay rise of 35% in one year - Mrs T pre-the 79 election promised us the AFPRB award in full in that year. Callaghan offered to pay it over two years.
As Mrs T won, my pay went up by about 65% in six weeks, as I started getting flying pay, and had a seniority pay rise on completion of my first year. ISTR it went from £2,600 to £4,500 :ok:

Yes, that's correct (but it might have been 1980). I was in similar circumstances except I was already receiving flying pay by then. The big pay increases followed the fire service pay strikes over the Christmas period, when armed forces personnel were "volunteered" to lose their stand-down to man the Green Goddesses. It became highly political when it was subsequently made known that the firemen were already on more money than the servicemen required to cover for them. IIRC, some servicemen were on income support at that time.

[Ginseng]

I believe I remember one occasion in the very early '80s when there was a serious problem with the pay run and a goodly portion of the RAF didn't get paid until about the 10th of the following month. Questions in the House, red faces all round and a substantial bill to the defence budget for unauthorised overdraft charges, defaults on mortgage payments etc duly followed. Might history repeat itself? Fortunately I have a buffer in place, but not everyone can afford to do that.

Regards

Ginseng

[Grimweasel]

I think the MoD is well aware of the bad press they could encounter by fouling up the first JPA pay run. If the trial pay runs fail the RAF would not go live as its too much to risk. Imagine 40,000 wages not being paid and the field day the Sun et al, would have?!

[JessTheDog]

Are you actually POSITIVE that they advised you to have a month's pay in your bank. (Exact words please).


Who thought up this little gem (assuming it is true) - government ministers with money to burn?

That is not an example of discharging duty of care - mind you, it may be a storm in a teacup and wages, mortgages and Mess bills etc will hopefully be paid as normal.

If not then I trust the Fourth Estate will do battle on behalf of our voiceless Service personnel. As a civvie I will be paid as normal, but if in uniform and with a month's pay in arrears, I would be pointing all creditors (including DHE and the Mess) firmly in the direction of Innsworth.

[16 blades]

It doesn't matter whether or not you are compensated - missing a mortgage or loan repayment will mean a strike against you is recorded with a credit reference agency. How are they going to fix that?

I've said it before and I'll say it again - flying accidents are usually the result of a chain of events involving several people - whereas it only takes one solitary adminer (or mover) to f**k anything......

[FJJP]

At the end of Dec 1990 the Forces weren't paid. Period. The civil servant who normally signs the peice of paper authorising the banks the pay out the money had gorn oft on leave and his deputy also had a few days off and forgot. We found out [on pre-GW1 det] when wives phoned, having had bounced cheques and letters asking for money since direct debits hadn't been paid because of overdraft limits, etc.

A call to my bank confirmed that we hadn't been paid. The Staish at Akrotiri played a blinder and fired one almighty rocket at mod.

Pay went in soon after and MOD agreed to reimburse bank charges, etc.

Just what you need just prior to going off on an op sortie...

[LFFC]

Word is that several more Career Spine sqn ldrs have handed in their PVR over the last couple of weeks.

Apparently, the reason is that if they are over 38 and wait until after 1 Apr, they will now loose half their flying pay for the 12 months that they have to serve before they leave.

Hardly seems fair when PAS pay will not be changed if they PVR.

[LFFC]

I heard a worrying rumour today that would hit me hard if true. Has anyone else heard the whisper that if PAS aircrew PVR after 1 Apr, then they will revert to the Career Spine in the same way that they would if they loose their medical cat?

Apparently the logic is that appointment to the PAS is a retention measure in the same way that flying pay is, so each should loose that incentive if they PVR! Therefore, as all CS aircrew will loose 50% of their flying pay if they PVR then PAS should suffer similarly! :mad:

Can they just change the terms of service like that? Someone please tell me it's not true!

Thing is, if it's true, I might like to change my pension plans!!!

[Now a 'J' Bloke!!]

Hi Gang;

In the NCA world, PAS when offerred initially was linked to a 5 year return of service.....so if you PVR'd (or lost your med cat) in those 5 years, you would revert to your previous basic +FP terms. After those 5 years you could PVR and remain on PAS.

As PAS is meant to be a retention thing...this is actually a reasonable approach, however unfair we see it. Losing PAS as a med thing though is a bummer esp if it was 'on the job' so to speak.

Later...
SFS:cool:

[LFFC]

So are you saying that there is some foundation to this rumour? I wouldn't have thought that they could just change the PAS terms of service, especially not after we've gone onto the new pension scheme. But then again, they have changed the nature of flying pay (from a risk payment to retention payment) without allowing us to have a say.

[Safety_Helmut]

Latest RAF News:
"it's three percent again to recruit, retain and motivate
What a load of b0llocks !

"from the newspaper for the Royal Air Force.... about the Royal Air Force"

Safety_Helmut

[SAR Bloke]

My (fairly good) sources tell me that JPA has had maybe 4 (definately more than 2) practise attempts at the pay run and they have all failed. We have been told that if it does fail then a manual pay run will occur and everyone will get paid. I have my doubts.

[Safety_Helmut]

Yes, but when will we get paid ?

S_H

[Vage Rot]

Rank-related flying pay.:hmm:
How the hell does that work?!!!


I don't know, some of us unlucky sods don't even get any flying pay now we are PAS!! I mean, how is a bloke supposed to survive on £55K a year!!:) :D