Jerez Tyre Burster, Clocked!

[hedges81]

This message goes out to all of you at Flight Training Europe, Jerez. Some of you must read this forum!

Was down at Jerez a couple of weeks ago doing a bit of private flying with a mate of mine, through the flying club that operates out of the general aviation apron.

Anyway, was just getting out of the plane when what do we see but one of the FTE warriors landing, and then bursting a tyre shortly afterwards. Bloody hilarious! Idiot must have had their feet on the brakes whilst landing.

Who was this clown, so that we all know to avoid the 737 or whaterver plane he/she ends up flying commercially in the not too distant future?

[scroggs]

Do you seriously expect an answer to this question? Or are you just attempting to ridicule FTE?

Scroggs

[FlyUK]

Yea it happens. Its happened before and it will probably happen again somewhere.

[hedges81]

No, am not trying to ridicule FTE, it seems like a good flying school, their pilots were cerainly hot on the radio, but thats all I heard/ saw of them.

I suppose what Im trying to get at is whether or not such an incident in training would affect someones future career prospects does it get recorded by the authorities for example? oh, and perhaps have a bit of harmless banter at the same time.

Another question for the FTE boys and girls, how do you find the air trafic control in the area? second rate in my opinion, compared to the UK. Some of the holding/ landing proceedures Ive been subjected to at Jerez have been appauling.

Oh, and to the warrior pilot (if they are reading) who flew about 100ft below me today on a converging path over head Arcos(I was in a C172), what happened there? Was a bit close for my liking. Didnt have you in sight until you were too close for us to do anything. Dunno whose fault it was, yours or mine, but it can get a bit hectic around there, can´t it!

[FlyUK]

how do you find the air trafic control in the area?

During my IRT, 'Exam 09, Cleared ILS runway 27, by the way the glideslope isn't working'

Me thinking to myself - '***K', aswell as, 'so i'm not actually cleared for an ILS then'

Back in the hold, 5 minutes later after my examiner had stopped laughing they said it was working again. All good fun!

Honestly, they make you think! I thought it was quite good for learning as it kept you on your toes, trying to work out what they were going to do with you next etc. :rolleyes:

[hedges81]

Fly uk, u at Jerez then?

If u are, please telly ur fellow pilots to stay out of the way of DEARU, or DEVOC from now on, or ill slash their tyres!

Actually, it seems like they do a good enough job of that themselves anyway:)

[scroggs]

NO problem with the banter, but forgive me being suspicious; people do like to start and settle scores here from time to time.

As for such an incident's effect on your career, it entirely depends on the cause of the incident and the Chief Instructor's reaction to it. If, as these things usually are, it's an accident or there was a problem with the tyre, it's unlikely ever to be mentioned beyond the bar. If there was a mistake made but lessons were learned, well, that's what flight safety education is about. If their was a right old screw up and the CI doesn't like you anyway, it could affect the next stage. However, that sort of thing is rare.

Scroggs

[FlyUK]

Fly uk, u at Jerez then?

Been there, done that.

I have to say, most of us knew to stay WELL AWAY from D-OC, he had/has a habbit of 'appearing' on finals with no other radio calls apart from, 'D-OC final for landing' - Which took him about 10 seconds to say! :}

Please tell me thats not you!

[hedges81]

no, have only been in it over the last couple of weeks whilst taking a bit of time out in Jerez area.

Im not surprised that D-OC has caused you troubles in the past though, given the standard of some of the Germans that Ive flying it there there! ATC do seem to give out a bit of a groan every time I say "D-OC request taxi" as well!

On reflection though regarding today´s "near miss" with one of the FTE Warriors I think for once D-OC was in the right!

[FlyUK]

Scroggs, sorry it sounds like we are ignoring you. Your points are always valid and are so in this case too. The person involved will be more worried about how many beers he/she has to buy at the bar than being 'told off' by the CFI. But I bet the person involved won't make the same mistake again! :p

[FlyingForFun]

I suppose what Im trying to get at is whether or not such an incident in training would affect someones future career prospects Easy mistake for just about anyone to make. But as FlyUK says, the poor individual concerned is far less likely to make that mistake again than someone who hasn't made the mistake before.

Another chip moved from the back of luck into the bag of experience!

FFF
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[B166LES]

Perhaps some revison of the instruction to 'hold east' is needed from this cowboy as orbiting on base is not 'holding east' as an FTE warrior found out! D-OC came swooping round and got very close to the warrior on late downwind a few weeks ago... A burst tyre you say? I know where I'd rather be... :}

[hedges81]

My sources here in Jerez have informed me that the tyre burster was in fact not a student, but one of the instructors!

Still, it shows that mistakes can happe to anyone, no matter how experienced.
Doesn´t really say a great deal about the standard of training at FTE though, if the instructors can´t get it right then the trainees haven´t got a hope!;)

[scroggs]

Tyres burst for a number of reasons. The fact that a tyre bursts on landing does not necessarily imply that the pilot made some kind of mistake. And, if it was a mistake, that has no bearing on the standard of training. Mistakes happen. That's one of the main reasons your training is so long. As well as helping you to avoid mistakes, it's about being able to admit them and deal with them when they do occur. Which they will.

Scroggs

[hedges81]

Quote "Perhaps some revison of the instruction to 'hold east' is needed from this cowboy as orbiting on base is not 'holding east' as an FTE warrior found out!"

Fair point, but the instruction to "hold east" is not a standard circuit instruction is it? but one particular to Jerez I think.

I had to request clarification from "Maria" and her crew when I first heard it.

Perhaps given the standard of the Jerez tower, which ever "John Wayne" that was flying D-OC at the time can be partially excused, perhaps?
Wasn´t me any way!

[B166LES]

Perhaps the slating of FTE instructors should come to an end, knowing that the flying club hires sacked FTE instructors.... Just a point. :ok:

[Aviation kid]

Hedges 81,

You sound very bitter towards FTE. Especially for someone who has supposedly only flew around here for the last couple of weeks!!

[moggiee]

Perhaps the slating of FTE instructors should come to an end, knowing that the flying club hires sacked FTE instructors.... Just a point. :ok:
I believe the chap that you refer to a ) had an excellent success rate at FTE and b ) won an unfair dismissal case in the Spanish courts!

No stain on his record, then.

[GusHoneybun]

hedges,

fer gawd's sake, wind your neck in. fact of life that tyres go bang, same as lights fail, flaps don't move and engines goes silent. all this happily happens regardless of the pilot. once it happens to you, then you might like to revise your attitude.

you are in the killing zone at the moment. if you continue acting like a sky-god know it all then you will be lucky to come out the other side unscathed. :(

[ABO944]

I keep thinking Hedges81 is going to answer a post with a corny Top Gun phrase any second ...... perhaps you should change your handle to "Maverick" :rolleyes: . You Sky God you !

:ok:

[Maximum]

GasHoneybun, how right you are.

Hedges, you may think we've all got sense of humour failure, but take it from me, most professional pilots would not take your ill-informed accusations in a good way.

......'cocky' isn't the image you want in this business. Just a word of friendly advice.:)

[hedges81]

Latest information from my sources confirms that it was indeed a mistake and not an equipment failure.

[lobby]

Hedges, have you NEVER made a mistake? how many hours have you flown so far with not a single error. We are all human mistakes happen. Give the guy a break.

[High Wing Drifter]

Latest information from my sources confirms that it was indeed a mistake and not an equipment failure.
IMHO, that is totally irrelevant and I suspect this thread is the product of an anonymous forum. Who would be so quick to judge with the risk of getting it slung back in their very red face at a later indeterminable date?

[hedges81]

Quoute: "IMHO, that is totally irrelevant and I suspect this thread is the product of an anonymous forum."

High wing drifter, your post makes absolutely no sense what so ever. Who is IMHO and what do you mean by an "anonymous forum"? this forum is anonymous, thats the beauty of it.

What I wanna know is is the instructor in question going to speak up here and explain himself?

[B166LES]

For a start, the aircraft involved wasn't a warrior, it was a seneca. The tyre did not burst on landing, it was during taxy from the runway as the seneca was asked to 'expedite' due to incoming/landing traffic. So there we go. End of. Things like this happen - ok it's something to joke about in the bar afterwards and that's where it should really stay. I think relations between FTE and Jerez Flying Club should be good as both have to fly in the same airspace and soon the flying club will be moved practically into FTE as the new taxy ways are built in the airport expansion scheme. Si? ;)

[B166LES]

It means 'In My Honest Opinion'......... Jee wizz, a pilot? :}

[hedges81]

Ok, finito.:) Its only banter, u understand! All you FTE boys/ girls, feel free to rip into D-OC as much as you like in return!

Acually it sounds like Maria and her crew in the tower were more to blame for getting him to try to expidite the runway through their bad traffic organisation!

[scroggs]

Hedges, I really think you ought to learn when to stop digging. Eventually, people will work out who you are and they will come for a face-to-face. If you really are out to make enemies, why don't you stroll over to FTE and slug the CI - it might cut out the suspense.

I think this thread has gone on long enough.

Scroggs