Qantas 707 (Merged)

[HZ123]

It is reported that the a/c has been sold to a Qantas lead group this week for the sum of £1.00. It will be serviced and prepared for return flight to Aussie in Spring 2007. It has been provisionally allocated an Aussie registration.

[Woomera]

I see it's a 138 so must be ex QF - more information please? Who bought it? I would not imagine it would be Qantas. For what reason - static display?

[HZ123]

A QF lead group that will fly it back to join the museum which is located ? I understand that the project has been going on or a couple of years now and the stumbling block was of course the monies wanted for the aeroplane. It underwent a C check / respray and was outshopped in 1999 as new rumoured to be going back to the Saudi Royal Familly for their museum and as it was the first VIP a/c for Saudi Royal Flight. That said it has been parked with minimum attention since. In November 05 it was surveyed by QF engineering and Museum staff and the result was that it was in good condition and we must assume so from the purchase. Work will commence in March 06 oin it with the engines being removed and serviced.

[treadigraph]

Glad to hear it's going to an appropriate home and won't be scrapped. Let's hope the 707-436 at Cosford escapes the scrappers as well.

Treadders

[southender]

I understand it's (or is it she's) a very early model, line number 29 I believe.

Looked pristine in earlier years but the Essex weather has taken its toll on the outside recently.

Does anyone know how many earlier 707s are still in existence?

Cheers

Southender

[treadigraph]

There used to be another ex BOAC/British Airtours -436 at a technical college in Philadelphia - does that still exist?

[PaperTiger]

treadigraph

That was 'PFN and it was scrapped in 1988 due to "lack of space".

[treadigraph]

PaperTiger

As long ago as that... From memory most of the rest of Airtours' Conways ended up at Phoenix and faced the hangman's noose...

There's a cockpit (camoflagued) alongside the old Kermit Weeks facility at Tamiami... Sat in the left seat and caressed the throttles. From memory the reg plate read N707PA... must be some serious memories there?

[PaperTiger]

treadigraph

Kingman, Arizona actually (KIGM); which is nearer to Vegas than it is to KPHX.

[treadigraph]

Quite right PT, your memory is better than mine... What are we talking about...? :}

I recall one was written off at Prestwick, but did any others survive the blow torch? Only other w/o I recall was the BOAC Mount Fuji tragedy ( and I'm assuming it was a Conway).

[HZ123]

Is the other B707 at SEN reg EL-??? not a conway marque. That is awaiting the scrap man but is still in exterior fair condition with all engines visually complete.

[HZMIS]

HZ-123 the reserved reg for it is VH-XBA.

[GAZIN]

This seems to be good news at last for this old 707. For quite a while it was the oldest airworthy 707.

[Woomera]

Interesting. VH-XBA does not come up in the CASA aircraft registration search.

Certainly seems to be kept quiet Dunnunda! Wonder if it's going to the Qantas Founder's Museum at Longreach, along side the ex-Qantas B747-200 Classic already there?

There was a Conway powered 707 converted to the 707 Restaurant very close to Manila's NAIA Airport - don't know if it's still there. It had an executive interior and was rumoured to have once been Elvis Presley's personal aircraft, donated to Imelda Marcos.

[HZ123]

We were told it is indeed to join the 747-200. Like many I look forward to seeing it running up, taxying and test flying at SEN.

[Georgeablelovehowindia]

Two Conway powered 707s were lost in BOAC service.
G-APFE, a -436 near Mt. Fuji on 05 March 1966
G-ARWE a -465 (ex Cunard Eagle) at LHR on 08 April 1968

[PaperTiger]

There was a Conway powered 707 converted to the 707 Restaurant very close to Manila's NAIA Airport - don't know if it's still there. It had an executive interior and was rumoured to have once been Elvis Presley's personal aircraft, donated to Imelda Marcos.Another example of misinformation gaining credibilty through repetition, I'm afraid. The Manila retaurant/nightclub is (or was) N99WT formerly N11RV and initially delivered to PanAm as N728PA. No Conways. It was indeed used by Emelda Marcos, and while nobody can say for sure that Elvis never flew in it, his personal plane was Convair 880 N880EP. Named "Lisa Marie" it is now displayed at Gracleand, Memphis.

[WHBM]

Answers to number of the detailed questions above are in this spreadsheet :

http://www.planemad.net/airlinerlist/boeing-707.zip

and for many other types on this site :

http://members.chello.nl/s.c.verbrugge/main.html

[Red Four]

Shouldn't this thread be re-named as the 'B707 formerly known as HZ-123'?

[treadigraph]

And will HZ-123 change his Nom de PPRuNe to VH-XBA? :)

[DH106]

Two Conway powered 707s were lost in BOAC service.
G-APFE, a -436 near Mt. Fuji on 05 March 1966
G-ARWE a -465 (ex Cunard Eagle) at LHR on 08 April 1968

Might be wrong, but I thought G-ARWE wasn't a Conway 707, but a P&W.
Weren't the BA Conway 707s all in the G-APFx range? The other BA 707s being P&W?

[Kieron Kirk]

400 series 707 were RR Conway powered, whilst PW powered the 300 series.

[treadigraph]

'WE was indeed a Conway powered -465. Source: G-INFO.

[DH106]

Thank you gents - I stand corrected (even though I'm sitting down at the PC :) )

[HZ123]

Work has started on the aircraft and the Saudi reg and flag have been overpainted.

[JW411]

G-ARWD and WE were inherited from Cunard Eagle when BOAC took them over.

Boeing 707-465 translates as:

707-465 - (300 series with Conway engines). '65' was the Boeing Cunard customer number - hence -465.

For reasons best known to themselves Boeing customer numbers started at -20. Therefore the first basic model became a -20, then -120, -220, -320 if you follow my drift.

Therefore the basic 707 long range aircraft was designated a 707-320. The first customer was Pan Am so their aircraft became 707-321s. BOAC was customer number 36 so their aircraft became either 707-336s (P&W) or 707-436s (RR Conway).

When they ran out of numbers having got back to -19, then Boeing had to use number/letter combinations.

I don't often put my anorak on (especially in this weather) and I shall take it off again immediately.

[Wycombe]

Back in the mid 70's, aged about 11, I flew on holiday Gatwick to Dubrovnik in a British Airtours 707 (from the pictures I took with my Kodak Instamatic, I'm pretty sure it was a Conway-engined -400)

We landed hard in heavy rain and lost a nosewheel - remember to this day some pax laughing and others shreiking as the wheel went bouncing past us.

Anyone going to own up to remembering this?

[treadigraph]

Mid 70s and a 707, then definitely a -436. Airtours took over all the survivors from BA to replace their ex BEA Comet 4s as I recall.

[DH106]

Interesting story, Wycombe. There must be a report of the incident out there somewhere.

[mustafagander]

Ah memories! Back in the good old days before the Dead Sea was even ill, I used to service the BOAC B707s transiting SYD. The Cunard -465s were the usual a/c on the run. As I recall it, there were 4 of them - ARWD, ARWE, AWOG and ???? The B707-400 series were a bit of a mish-mash systems wise, sort of a B707-120 and B707-320 mix. The Conway engines on the B707 were reliable but a bitch to work on if there was a problem - all those tiny screws!!!

JW411, I seem to recall that the basic B707 with the P&W JT3C (stovepipe) engines was the -100 and when the fan was hung on the front to make the JT3D, the series was renamed -120. That's when the rudder system became a dog's breakfast to set up and rig!!

It will be great to see one back on the QF base for a while. JT's B707 has been somewhat modified from the original, maybe this one will be closer.

[HZ123]

A/C has been washed and looks much improved already. If anyone out there knows those involved with it can they find out any of the project dates as I missed the last 707 ex SEN and do not want to miss this one. Perhaps they could tie in with the Vulcan and do some engines runs on August Bank Holiday?

[arem]

<<ah memories! Back in the good old days before the Dead Sea was even ill, I used to service the BOAC B707s transiting SYD. The Cunard -465s were the usual a/c on the run. As I recall it, there were 4 of them - ARWD, ARWE, AWOG and ???? The B707-400 series were a bit of a mish-mash systems wise, sort of a B707-120 and B707-320 mix. The Conway engines on the B707 were reliable but a bitch to work on if there was a problem - all those tiny screws!!!

JW411, I seem to recall that the basic B707 with the P&W JT3C (stovepipe) engines was the -100 and when the fan was hung on the front to make the JT3D, the series was renamed -120. That's when the rudder system became a dog's breakfast to set up and rig!!>>

We only had two -465's - RWD,RWE - the rest were all 436's, although we did have a -365C ATZD - never flew 'RWE before it's accident at LHR but flew the others more than frequently!!

The original 'stove-pipe' 707's were 120/320 series - when the fan engine was fitted they became 120B's or 320B's and C's - the C's being convertable from pax to freight and vice versa and were quite superb aircraft to fly and operate - I spent many thousands of hours sat in the front seats for 14 years.

[ZFT]

I was working for British Eagle at that time. 1st redundancy experience!!
If I recall correctly and it really was a long time ago only G-ARWD was actually operated by Cunard Eagle. The other aircraft ordered by Cunard Eagle, G-ARWE, G-ATZC & G-ATZD were delivered directly to BOAC-Cunard.
(G-ARWE was involved in the tragedy at LHR in 1968)

[mustafagander]

The Conway B707s I remember had BOAC-Cunard on the side of the fuselage.

I especially remember G-AWOG since my leading hand was an Italian - referred to in Oz in those days as "wogs"!! :)

[JW411]

This is getting out of hand! G-AWOG was a Piper PA30 Twin Comanche and it was originally owned by Prince William Of Gloucester who obviously swung his own personalised registration.

The affectionate Italian nickname you are striving for is "Wop".

G-ATZC and ZD were not Conway powered but were 707-365s. G-ATZC went to Airlift and then Caledonian and was not operated by BOAC.

The other BOAC Conway powered 707s were 707-436s registered G-APFB-FP and G-ARRA-RC.

With reference to G-AWOG; I think you might be thinking of G-AWDG? She was one of two ex-Qantas 707-138s (ex-VH-EBG) operated by British Eagle. The other one was G-AVZZ (ex-VH-EBD). Both of them ended up with Laker when I was there.

[Keef]

I was booking out from Southend last Saturday (July 1) when a couple of engineers working on HZ123 came in and asked if there was a VHF COM test frequency they could use.

Sounds like progress is being made. It would be nice to see that old lady fly again.

[Woomera]

I'm wondering where it's going?

There is no space available at the Qantas Founders Museum at Longreach, although the airport owners, Longreach Council are trying to obtain $5 mill funding but as far as I know, that is all for airstrip lengthening.

Anyone have any idea where this aircraft is headed? It's going to be an expensive exercise for QF getting the aircraft serviceable and back to Australia?

VH-XBA still does not come up on the CASA registration web site.

[HZ123]

Only gossip but it is believed to be going first to Boeing Field for publicity exercise and some additional work. I have no doubt that it will fly as SEN has a very good recird in getting a/c away after they have sat for years, in this case since 1999.

[mustafagander]

JW411, I've read that stuff about the good prince using the rego G-AWOG on his a/c, but I'm here to tell you that a BOAC B707 of that rego - G-AWOG - was regularly in SYD during 1969. I was a member of the crew who used to service the Conway a/c during transit. Prior to the B707s it was Comets and after the VC10 and VC15.

The term "wog" in Oz in those days was used to refer to almost anyone of non-Anglo Saxon heritage.

[WHBM]

The Conway B707s I remember had BOAC-Cunard on the side of the fuselage.Not just the 707s but the VC-10s as well, so pretty much the whole fleet of the time.

British Eagle and Cunard Shipping formed a joint company called Cunard Eagle to operate from London to the Caribbean in the days when independents were allowed very little worthwhile work. 707s were ordered for the operation. BOAC negotiated behind the scenes with Cunard over this in a very un-nationalised industry fashion and one day, hey presto, Cunard dropped the arrangement and got into bed with BOAC instead. The 707 fleet on order was divided between Cunard (who passed them on to BOAC) and British Eagle (who struggled to find enough work for them).

As part of the agreement I believe that some long-serving Cunard Shipping stewards were able to transfer to BOAC as the ship fleet ran down, possibly maintaining their seniority.

[southender]

Passed by HZ123 yesterday and it looks as if it's had a fresh coat of paint - all white with emergency exit windows picked out in green.

Doors were open with steps in place, so it looks as if things are proceeding fairly quickly.

Cheers

Southender

[surely not]

Sorry guys but the registration G-AWOG was used by a Piper owned by Prince William of Gloucester. I saw it at Gatwick many, many years ago. My eyesight was very good in those days and it was deffo not a Boeing 707 of any mark!!

Didn't G-AWDG, the B707 :) , end up with Donaldson?

[JW411]

mustafagander:

Sorry old mate but G-AWOG never ever appeared on a Boeing 707. If it did so then it was without the knowledge of the UK Civil Aviation Authority.

If you still need convincing then look at:

http://www.caa.co.uk/ginfo

Type in G-AWOG and you will find that it was a Piper Twin Comanche.

[arem]

JW411, I've read that stuff about the good prince using the rego G-AWOG on his a/c, but I'm here to tell you that a BOAC B707 of that rego - G-AWOG - was regularly in SYD during 1969. I was a member of the crew who used to service the Conway a/c during transit. Prior to the B707s it was Comets and after the VC10 and VC15.


Sorry mate but BOAC never had a 707-400 series registered G-AWOG - I flew them all (except 'WE ) from 1967 to 1980 and I dont recall any others being leased at that time except 'spread legs - oops sorry G=AYSL

[jabberwok]

http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/WebPix/GAWDG.jpg

G-AWDG in Laker days..

[HZMIS]

HZ-123, has now been moved outside the hangers and internal work has begun on the aircraft, the estimated work time, to ready it for departure from EGMC is winter 06.

[JW411]

arem:

In order to avoid confusion with the Conway-powered 707 discussion I think it should be said that G-AYSL was an old PanAm 707-321 stovepipe JT-4A operated by Dan Air.

[arem]

yes I knew that, perhaps I should have been more specific - BA did operate it under lease from Dan-Air with our own crews - although I think it was actually operated under the BAirtours name, but not too sure

[surely not]

mustafagander how come you refuse to believe that you are mistaken re G-AWOG when everything other than yr memory says you are wrong??

Check the old fleet lists of BA and you won't find a 707 reg AWOG anywhere.

[JW411]

surely not:

I'm afraid you have dropped a huge boll*ck. It is not arem who refuses to believe that BOAC did not have G-AWOG. In fact, if you re-read arem's post #44 you will see that he clearly states that he flew them all (except 'WE) and that there was no such 707 as G-AWOG.

It was our Australian friend mustafagander who insisted that G-AWOG was a 707.

I think you owe arem a huge apology!

[surely not]

Maybe if I edit the post quickly arem won't see it :} :} :}

If you did see it arem then a huuuuuge apology to you !!

[Exasperated]

Correct me if I am wrong but was G-AWOG one of the aircraft owned by Prince William of Gloucester (hence the reg)

Ex

[arem]

surely not

no I didnt see it so I'll let you off - this time!!:) :) :)

[Woomera]

The Longreach grant application includes a new, relocated Airport Passenger Terminal.

My guess the 707 will end up parked west of the B742, right where the Longreach Passenger Terminal now stands!

Here's an aerial photo of the B742 on display at Longreach. The passenger terminal is to the left of the photo, part of the original 1921 Q.A.N.T.A.S Ltd hangar is shown and the Qantas Founders Museum is out of the photo, further to the left.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v315/Woomera/AerialA.jpg

Interesting!! :E

[mustafagander]

I'm not afraid to admit my errors. Although it's been a long time, I remember well how my leading hand, an Italian gent by the name of Aldo d'L###, used to give me heaps when I, a lowly apprentice, asked whether this a/c, G-AWOG, was his personal one. It invariably meant the oil filters on the next R2000 check we did.

Given the weight of evidence, I must have got it wrong. No offence meant to anyone, of course. :ok:

[HZ123]

A/C is now VH-XBA.

[Jamie-Southend]

Any ideas when its off HZ ?

[HZ123]

went to SEN yesterday and it was in line with two 727,s, it looks very good all in white and I look forward to seeing it uo closer.

[Stanstedeye]

We were told it is indeed to join the 747-200. Like many I look forward to seeing it running up, taxying and test flying at SEN.

If possible keep the thread informed of possible 'run-up' times, as others have said 'a lot of interest in this old girl'

[HZ123]

I am informed that the a/c ceased to be HZ-123 yesterday. Once I hear anything I will put it on the thread.

[Jamie-Southend]

It`s good to see this 707 has a happy ending, and never went the same way as so many today at SEN.

The scrapman was busy today chopping up a BAC1-11, SD360, F27 & China Air 146, all being chopped today.

[r3500vdp]

Wow, lots of memories gone... I assume the scrapped aircraft are the following?

F-27 (3C-QSC, believe 3C-QSB was scrapped earlier in the year)
BA-146 (B-632L re-registered N76HN)
BAC1-11 (5N-HHH/G-FIRE)

That would leave the Boeing 707 EL-AKJ to be scrapped later this year I believe.

[HZ123]

Nearly right but G-FIRE and EL seem to have a stay of execution as there is some legal issues still to be resolved, throwing good monies after bad?

[gruntie]

Now I'm confused. I thought G-FIRE was a Spitfire 14?
http://i2.tinypic.com/2004m7k.jpg

[plinkplanky]

from what I remember, G-FIRE was applied to the 1-11 by the airport fire service as it was to be used as training aircraft.

[airchabum]

Pic of 'G-FIRE' taken at the SEN Open Day a couple of years ago.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0593943/L/

Good luck to all those involved with the QF 707...it'll be great to see her in the air again :D Please keep us updated on any progress.

[SpeedyG]

Sorry to change the subject slightly, but anyone know what happened to the Conway that Omega Air used to fly us up and down to Africa on [a variety of registrations on the old girl].. Last I saw her was smokin down the runway at Banjul leaving me behind to face the music!!!

She brings back a lot of memories :D

[Jamie-Southend]

Anyone know the latest on this 707? I noticed it appears to be worked on on a daily basis at the moment.

Sorry if i have missed further details on another thread, i know there are at least 3 threads on here, the other two of which i cant find!

[4Greens]

I have it on good authority that it is going to end up at Longreach.

[company_spy]

I believe that it was the first 707-138 operated by QANTAS VH-EBA. The Outback Museum at Longreach is trying to restore it with the assistance of retired QF engineers to fly it back to Australia to be an exihbit with a 747-200 already there.

[HZ123]

The a/c repairs are cracking along at a good rate and would suggest that departure if there are no problems departure will be within the next couple of months. Rumours are that there will be features in the local press and nationally.

[Jamie-Southend]

Is anyone on here close enough to the maintenance company or airport to keep us advised on exact departure dates?

Will have to blow the dust off the camera that day.:}

[mikeboggan]

All Royal Aircraft are listed here.
http://www.tqfa-kittyhawk.org.uk/
G-AWOG is not amongst them. Sorry.

Mike

[mikeboggan]

Qantas requested help from Boeing to aid in getting the aircraft ready for flight, and Boeing (quite rightly so in my mind, agreed).
The aircraft is now in the functional test phase, in preparation for flight testing.
My understanding (as of last Thursday) is that it will fly to Sydney for a ceremony before going to the Longreach museum.

Mike.
one of the last B707 engineers left in the World.

[JW411]

mikeboggan:

Twin Comanche G-AWOG had absolutely nothing to do with TQF. Prince William of Gloucester, I suppose, would be considered to be a minor Royal and his Twin Comanche was a privately-owned aircraft and not considered to be a Royal aircraft.

[mingalababya]

Here's a pic of VH-XBA from Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1102026/M/).
And here she is as VH-EBA in original colours (http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0132392/M/).
Look forward to her arrival downunder. :ok:

[Feather #3]

Keep batteries charged and lenses dusted around 07Oct?:ok:

G'day ;)

[robroy]

Please refer to my post in D & G ( Dunnunda, G. A ) re this B707, what do you think, re J.T.

Cheers,

robroy:D

[PFR]

I was in Southend Friday. Could'nt see her anywhere :confused: She's normally on the apron outside the ATC, Air Livery hangars. Is she inside on gear swings maybe?
Hope all is still going well:uhoh:

[HZ123]

Do you mean she may well fly on the 7 October. I checked today she is in ATC Lasham Hangar 4. The Sally B is also parked at the business park end and looked very good.

[PFR]

Thanks HZ:ok:
Glad to read she's still making progress:) Has she had any engine runs yet?

[Feather #3]

Having a chat this weekend with a couple of the boys. The engineers have finshed their stuff and when she's out of the paintshop, it should be all go.

Crew who need recency have had it so watch this space.

G'day ;)

PS hope you like the colour scheme!:)

[HZ123]

Been told today it will not be ready until at least 27 Oct for taxying and power runs. departure proper still sometime in November.

[noflybywire]

HZ123. Would very much appreciate an update (when possible) on her!!! departure date,;) ;) ;)

[Fris B. Fairing]

Funding for the project was officially announced today by the Australian Department of the Environment and Heritage:

http://www.deh.gov.au/minister/env/2006/mr09oct06.html

[Trihandle]

The 707 is rumoured to be visiting Jersey area in early Nov for training and rumour of a photo shoot with a second 707.
again I say rumour
this was mentioned over two months ago.
we wait to see if this will happen

[mikeboggan]

Here is a news release for today.

Historic First Qantas Jet to Return to Australia Latest News
Sydney, 09 October 2006

More than 47 years after the first Boeing 707 jet airliner joined the Qantas fleet, the aircraft, previously known as City of Canberra is set to make an historic return to Australia.



Qantas Chairman Margaret Jackson and Minister for the Environment and Heritage Senator Ian Campbell today announced that the first Qantas Boeing 707, the first jet aircraft sold outside of the United States, would make a celebratory return to Australia next month.



"I’m proud to announce that this Boeing 707, believed to be the last and oldest of its kind in operation, will make its permanent home at the Qantas Founders’ Outback Museum in Longreach, Queensland," she said.



"The aircraft will depart London bound for the United States retracing its original route from Honolulu and Nadi to Sydney arriving in early November.



Ms Jackson said the aircraft would visit Brisbane before its final destination in Longreach.



"Thanks to the funding of $1 million from the Australian Government and the efforts of some dedicated Australian aviation enthusiasts, both within and from outside Qantas, this aviation milestone is soon to come full circle.



"This aircraft played an important role in our history, literally bringing the world closer to Australia. The Boeing 707 reduced the flight time between Sydney and London from 48 hours to 27 hours, which is comparable to today’s trip of 23 hours.



"The introduction of the Boeing 707 also started a collaboration between Qantas and the Boeing Company on aircraft design, with Boeing’s 747s, 767s, 737s, and 717s joining the Qantas fleet at different times, and the latest – the 787 Dreamliner – to be welcomed in 2008," she said.



Ten retired Qantas engineers will ensure the aircraft’s airworthiness and an operating crew consisting of a Qantas Captain and two First Officers, all certified on the Boeing 707, are standing on the sidelines to fly the aircraft to Australia.



Ms Jackson said the repatriation of this aircraft was made possible thanks to the Australian Government, Boeing Australia and Shell.




Issued by Qantas Corporate Communication (3489)
Email: [email protected]



Mike

[Wycombe]

So the Aussie Govt have donated $1m to get this aircraft which they call “....a significant part of our national identity” airworthy and back to it's homeland :ok:

The same could be said of a certain delta-winged bomber, but with a Govt that can't fund our current defences properly, what hope is there of such an enlightened attitude here in the UK :mad:

[UPPERLOBE]

Wot? no F/E :rolleyes:

[Feather #3]

The F/E is in fact the only one in the world current on the B743, L-1049 and B707 at the same time. There's only one Plukka!:D

G'day ;)

[Jamie-Southend]

Noticed that it is parked outside today and wears Quantas livery, the same as John Travolta`s. ( http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1123966/L/ )

No tail fitted yet though.:ooh:

Jamie

[RileyDove]

Wycombe - The Boeing project is perfectly valid . They have a simple aim to return a piece of their heritage back home into preservation at Longreach.
The Vulcan project seems to consist of getting her back into the air no matter what the cost with little idea of her operating costs or indeed what they will do with her when she is retired again!

[GBALU53]

We would hope other countries take a leaf out of this project and try and keep some heritage within the countries.:E :E

So many aircraft arte fadeing away look at Concorde not flying the Vulcan only just got the last bit of funding.:sad: :sad:

If it is on your door step the local government should support in my view.:ok: :ok:

Look at British Aviation building in the U.K. almost gone.:( :(

Getting back to the subject is nice to have an update on this story and it is only by these forums we know what is going on a least with the Boeing being moved is a good sign but untill certain parts are fixed it will be ready for the engine runs.

With regard to the air test it requires if i do find out any info i will pass it on well done to all with the project so far we just need to find some green fuel i would think before she gets airbourne so not to dirty the neigbours washing.:ok: :ok:

[Feather #3]

Watch out for the tail in your comparison, Jamie and don't rely on spellcheck!! :=

G'day ;)

[Jamie-Southend]

Feather #3

But thats how they have spelt it on the Southend example..........





Sorry bad joke :} :}

Jamie

[funnelweb]

I think Feather #3 has given the game away there, I think from what I have read above we will see a pre fan engine/VJet iteration of the 138, ie; a predominantly white tail with two red fore/aft stripes with QANTAS emblazoned between, beneath the winged kangaroo. If my prediction comes to pass.... Good job, well done to all involved.

Feather #3 how is the wood work on the ventral fin holding up after all these years?

[GBALU53]

With the pending engine runs on the Boeing707 towards the end of the month the Local aurthorites spoken to this morning, they are very keen still to get the aircraft into the Channel Islands Control Zone to do its air test.:ok: :ok:

[HZ123]

Spoke to someone in the team this morning a/c is penciled in to depart 5 th or 15 th November. Tail should be put on over this weekend. He questioned whether it will depart on the 5th as there is a requirment for some welding work. There will be little or no air test the a/c heading direct to DUB and stoping overnight en route to boeings where it will link up with JT's. It will make several stops before going to Aus. There are at least 4 Captains and 3 SFO's with exemptions to fly the a/c on the sectors plus a team of engineers to travel with it. It is not going to JER airspace and the plan is that one airborne it will not return to SEN due to the short runway.

[r3500vdp]

I'm being very silly probably but if it's going to DUB, I have a glimmer of hope for a tech / fuel stop in Hamilton (YHM), Canada before going onwards. This is also where N707JT is parked currently.

[HZ123]

Iceland and Canada were definetely mentioned and I could not remember but it was all short hops with night stops, which would make sence. Hope your lucky.

[Jamie-Southend]

Tail re-fitted today, could not see scheme etc as its dark !:bored:

[GBALU53]

Is the aircraft ready to go??

Two dates were quoted as to when it might be leaving the 5th of Nov and the 15th Nov with it being the 5th tomorrow would they risk upsetting the neibourghs Sunday lunch??

Who cares any way stuff lunch and see it off instead if it does go but we need some up dates.

The airport is not interest fromwhat i can make out of passing info on or ATC Lasham is keeping things to them selves>

[Jamie-Southend]

Morning Nigel,

Wish I knew! Hope it does not go tomorrow as i am on the wrong side of the country then.

The tailplane is now on, but is just plain white, and not the V Jet logo that some where expecting. I will have a further look today.

I am surprised no one has anymore information, the A/C is discussed on here and two other popular forums, but departure dates seem a bit hit or miss.

I noticed what i think was the scrap mans JCB swinging around near the only other 707 at SEN yesterday ( EL-AKJ ) so if he is chopping that up, the Southend will then be "Type Free" :{

Jamie

[Newforest]

Revised date to depart is now November 22nd due to a problem with the No. 1 engine.

[r3500vdp]

Too bad to see that EL-AKJ will be finally history. Fond memories posing as a Rochford golfer to get a shot of that plane and got subsequently questioned by airport security. ;)

[Manchester Exile]

Can anyone tell me when the Qantas 707 that was being restored at Southend is due to land in Sydney? I'm looking forward to a bit of noise and smoke. I've searched the internet, but can't find any news about it.

Thanks,

Manchester Exile

[Newforest]

VH-XBA isn't due to leave Southend until 22/11, last known info. that was reported.

[hobie]

A little bit of info here ....

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5821098

Remarks: One of the port side engines of this, the prototype short-bodied 707. She has since been sold to the Qantas Foundation Memorial and is currently undergoing maintenance and overhaul at Southend ready for the delivery flight back to Australia. She has been re-registered as VH-XBA.

Lots of photo's here ....

http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?regsearch=HZ-123

[Newforest]

Revised dates are that an airtest will be made 11/24 and departure from Southend is planned for 11/27.

[BigPhil]

I've heard 26th (Sunday) as possible departure, with 2 test flights during the week.

All four engines are now fitted and tested, nav kit due in next week.

Pic as of this evening:

http://www.ukarimages.com/is.php?i=11583&img=IMGP4054-UK.jpg

[hobie]

Now showing it's new Qantas livery albeit still without it's tail. Will depart for Australia during November. Former HZ-123 and originally VH-EBA when delivered new in 1959.

This classic aircraft is starting to resemble her former glory, which was VH-EBA back in 1959, the first ever commercial jet to be exported from the US.

A fresh paint job makes a big difference (Oct. 2006).... :)

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5838101

[Wanderin_dave]

Just bringing this back up to the top.
Any recent news with the proposed departure now just a couple of days away.

[BHMvictim]

Revised dates are that an airtest will be made 11/24 and departure from Southend is planned for 11/27.

That would be 24/11 and 27/11 I asume?

[Newforest]

That would be 24/11 and 27/11 I asume?

Leaving Southend 26th November and leaving Stansted 27th November for Montreal subject to satisfactory tests.:p

[hobie]

leaving Stansted 27th November for Montreal

why Montreal I wonder? ..... :confused:

[Newforest]

why Montreal I wonder? ..... :confused:

That was one report, another is Halifax, Seattle, Honolulu, Nadi, Sydney and Brisbane. The wildest rumour is a visit to Jersey, any takers!?:D

[HZ123]

The six destinations are/were in the original plan but it is subject to the departure date as the QF crews flying it so I was told have to slot into their plan. Thus if it is delayed leaving it may not visit every station. Many of us at SEN will be sorry to see it leave but pleased that it is retored and will make a very long last flight.

[REF]

I'm thinking of heading up to see this aircraft leave over the weekend of 25th & 26th. Any ideas if it will be test flying on the 25th? What time is it due to depart?

[BOAC]

You may fare better in 'Spectators' Balcony' (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=252806)

[Taildragger67]

Any ideas re the interior? It was owned (as HZ-123) by the Saudi government as the transport of the KSA Embassy in London, so doubtless was in a pretty opulent state.

I note the windows which were blanked in that life have not been re-glassed; so what will the interior eventually be like when it's at Longreach? I can't imagine there are that many full sets of 1959-vintage seats and galleys!

Also - any knowledge of plans for flypasts, photo-shoots with Travolta's 707 or the Connie, etc. (just asking - not starting a rumour!)?

Thanks
TD67

[Amos Keeto]

Tail re-fitted today, could not see scheme etc as its dark !:bored:

Odds-on it's got 'V-Jet' on it!:rolleyes:

[kookabat]

Last I heard, due in SYD on 12/12. Dunno when that means she'll leave Southend.

*Possibility* of flypast at Sydney with Connie and/or a 743; don't quote me on that though.

[**777lover**]

I don't know about the flypast but I can safely say, the numbers of people (including yours truly) at Southend when this thing departs will be great so if you are planning on going to the airport prepare to fight for a front row spot!

Thanks..
Dave Potter
Capital Aviation Photography

[Bus429]

Ah, 707 and 720,
Many happy hours spent as an apprentice in the 1970s. Old PB20 autoflight system, KIFIS and (I think!) a Bendix Flight Director (at least on the 720-051 and 023).
While in Canada 20 years ago, I stripped out the cockpit of a 720 - inc J6 - being modified to a flying engine test bed. I was very surprised when it all worked.

[noflybywire]

Will the old girl be kept in flying condition or is it one long last flight,

[N9964Z]

Pending no delays after flight testing is completed, at this point in time VH-XBA is scheduled to depart Southend at 11.00 Local Sunday 26 November. It will overnight at Stansted and is then scheduled to depart there at 10.00 Local for Montreal. A couple of nights there.

All stops enroute will be over more than 1 night (except Stansted). That is why it is not currently due into Sydney until 12 December.

Onward to Seattle, where the re-enactment of the original rollout takes place at Boeing Field along with other celebrations. Aircraft will be in Seattle anywhere up to 4 days for celebrations etc, as they also have to work around Travolta's schedule, since the two B707-138Bs will be meeting up there for photo shoot etc.

The two aircraft will meet and part ways in Seattle. VH-XBA will continue on her solo journey to Sydney via the original delivery route, to Honolulu and Nadi.

Please understand it is all still tentative at this stage, as the old girl still has to complete more ground testing and then the flight testing.

You have to bear in mind that her flight hours are limited, so she cannot go flying willy nilly here there and everywhere.

The interior is still VIP, as per its Saudi days.

Regards
~ Tracey

[REF]

I had heard that she was going to a museum down there and this is its final trip, rumour was that she was the first jet that entered service for qantas and was therefore an important aircraft.

[hobie]

rumour was that she was the first jet that entered service for qantas and was therefore an important aircraft.

Looking good now ......

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5858976 (http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5858976)

[noflybywire]

TBH static aircraft museums do absolutely nothing for me at all. IMO there's only one place for aircraft IN THE SKY,

[Taildragger67]

I had heard that she was going to a museum down there and this is its final trip, rumour was that she was the first jet that entered service for qantas and was therefore an important aircraft.

First built, second delivered. The first (-EBA (now -XBA)) and last (-EBM, now Travolta's N707JT) are the only ones remaining, though.
http://www.707.adastron.com/qantas/qf138-shortlist.htm

[angels]

Great thread!

There have been various posts on the 707 in the SEN thread in Airports. I'd love to see the old bird take off (althought it looks like she's had a lovely makeover), but 26/11 is my 50th birthday so I'll be occupied elsewhere!

Many thanks to the folks who posted the pix and info.

[LysanderV8]

Does anyone know if it definitely leaving SEN on Sunday? Any ideas on the time? I would dearly like to be there

Thanks

Lysander

[Taildragger67]

Does anyone know if it definitely leaving SEN on Sunday? Any ideas on the time? I would dearly like to be there

Thanks

Lysander

Previous post here (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2978554&postcount=18) seems the most informed to date.

[GBALU53]

The Airport Director at Jersey received an e-mail this after, in it said the aircraft will be comming down to the Channel Islands on the comming Monday time unknown at the moment it will fly around Jersey with a practice approach with a go-around and depart to somewhere this information was passed on to me at 1700 tonight.:ok: :ok:

So i think a few people will take a sicky on monday at Southend and Jersey just to make shore they see an ols smokey flyby.:ok: :ok:

Great news for Jersey to have a flyby hope people get lots of photos and pass them on to the web.:ok: :ok:

[Taildragger67]

Umm... why Jersey, out of interest?

[noflybywire]

Because we are the best. Shame it won't do a full stop landing because that would be interesting. Obviously not as good as the connie but I suppose it's better then all those oh! so boring bland and soleless aluminum tubes,

[noflybywire]

Airport director is from OZ,

[GBALU53]

Taildragger here is the story

The new Airport Director is Australian and on the C.V. showed some connection with Qantas.

Hence i think he keeps in touch with certain people but this is all hear say

He has been open to all in Jersey that he is an aviation anorak.

When the Jersey Air Display was over and the warbirds were departing, he was in a meeting when the Lancaster was departing and he stopped the meeting, went to the window and was taking pictures of the Lanc on its take off run, good chap to have on board for air displays??:ok: :ok:

[N9964Z]

VH-XBA is now cosmetically complete, with the final detailing of the tail and the door contrast outlines finishing her 1959 Qantas livery reincarnation.

The hull pressurisation testing has been completed.
Taxi test is scheduled to take place today U.K. time.

First change of flight schedule:
At this time the B707 is still scheduled to depart Southend on 26 November, however it will no longer be proceeding to Stansted. It will be overnighting at Dublin instead, with a possible tech stop now at Gander, enroute from Dublin to Montreal.

The weather forecast for the planned flight testing was not looking too good, and it is a matter of wait and see. The scheduled departure from Southend is all dependent of course on when the flight testing is completed.

Regards
~ Tracey

[Jamie-Southend]

Looked good this morning running the engines on SEN`s Southern Taxiway.

Was looking forward to some taxing, but shes been pulled back to the hanger with an engine problem.

[Stratofreighter]

VH-XBA is now cosmetically complete, with the final detailing of the tail and the door contrast outlines finishing her 1959 Qantas livery reincarnation.

The hull pressurisation testing has been completed.
Taxi test is scheduled to take place today U.K. time.

First change of flight schedule:
At this time the B707 is still scheduled to depart Southend on 26 November, however it will no longer be proceeding to Stansted. It will be overnighting at Dublin instead, with a possible tech stop now at Gander, enroute from Dublin to Montreal.

The weather forecast for the planned flight testing was not looking too good, and it is a matter of wait and see. The scheduled departure from Southend is all dependent of course on when the flight testing is completed.

Regards
~ Tracey

Tracey, many thanks for keeping us Europeans up-to-date on two different well-visited English forums!

[Stanstedeye]

VH-XBA is now cosmetically complete, with the final detailing of the tail and the door contrast outlines finishing her 1959 Qantas livery reincarnation.
The hull pressurisation testing has been completed.
Taxi test is scheduled to take place today U.K. time.
First change of flight schedule:
At this time the B707 is still scheduled to depart Southend on 26 November, however it will no longer be proceeding to Stansted. It will be overnighting at Dublin instead, with a possible tech stop now at Gander, enroute from Dublin to Montreal.
The weather forecast for the planned flight testing was not looking too good, and it is a matter of wait and see. The scheduled departure from Southend is all dependent of course on when the flight testing is completed.
Regards
~ Tracey

Tracey,
Where does the latest flight schedule leave the visit to Jersey?

[hobie]

A really nice photo here ..... 22nd Nov 2006

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5859559

[GBALU53]

With some of the forums showing differant dates for the aircraft getting into the air, there might be some good reasons why things keep changing.

I understood when the aircraft was due to get airbourne for the air test that if all was well it would be heading westbound?

With fuel onboard for a test flight the aircraft might be to heavy to land back at Stansted if required hence the possibilty of the Stansted visit.

With the information received late yesterday afternoon of the aircraft comming down to Jersey might be due to a number reasons.

With the deep low moving over the U.K., to do an air test but stay within U.K. airspace Jersey could be the best place with have all the aids available, although the Channel Islands tops out at 19500 feet would be ample enough to complete the air test before going on to Dublin, if there was a requirement for the aircraft to divert due to tech problems on the air test the aircraft would go into Lasham to there other engineering facility to fix.

Jersey airspace is only 15 percent in U.K. airspace and 85 percent in French airspace when open comes under U.K. rules so the aircraft might need to do the air test within the U.K. airspace and Jersey might be the best place in view of weather conditions??:ok: :ok:

[GAZIN]

Hats off to Australian aviation enthusiasts & QANTAS for rescuing a 707, restoring it to flying condition & then flying it half way around the world for long term preservation.
Meanwhile in the UK we cut up our only (badly) preserved example.:( I don't think you can just blame BA either. Nobody could be bothered to save it, even though it was already on a museum site. No roundels, swastika's or stars & bars probably the main reason IMO.

Oh & please put STN back on the flight plan;)

[sydney s/h]

Who is funding this exercise? Boeing? Qantas? Another organisation?

Shame they spent so much effort to have it sit in a museum.

[HZ123]

Completed colour scheme pics on 'Airliners.net' Expected departure on Sunday 11.00 may change as No 2 engine problem yesterday.

[Amos Keeto]

Completed colour scheme pics on 'Airliners.net' Expected departure on Sunday 11.00 may change as No 2 engine problem yesterday.


Apologies if this has already been covered, but if this is the original VH-EBA, why doesn't she revert to that serial? Furthermore, there is a good photo of her on www.Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/) and if you look closely at the 'X' in the registration, it appears to be thinner than the rest of the letters, indicating that this is a delivery registration and once she gets to Oz, perhaps there is an 'E' underneath awaiting to be uncovered

[PaperTiger]

Apologies if this has already been covered, but if this is the original VH-EBA, why doesn't she revert to that serial?That reggie is currently in use: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1142961/M/ but may become available shortly when Qantas transfers the A330 to Jet*.

[Skipness One Echo]

For obvious reasons it can't fly as VH-EBA as that's already allocated, BUT when it arrives at the museum it will carry VH-EBA as it won't be flying!! I seem to recall a photo seeing this painted under the wing. The X is temporary.

[N9964Z]

The team pushed VH-XBA back onto the taxiway at 12:04, ready for engine start, the order being 3, 4, 2, 1. #3 and #4 fired up beautifully. #2 was to be the problem child for the day. After several attempts the start sequence was aborted. The problem was diagnosed to be a Pressurising & Dump valve, which needed replacing, but one was not available locally so had to be located and shipped in from elsewhere in the country, a task which was completed.

~ Tracey

[REF]

Can anyone confirm if the 707 is still departing Southend on 26th November at 1100 local?

[The AvgasDinosaur]

Full marks to Aussie Government and Qantas and all involved in this project :ok::D :D , what a galling contrast to the Cosford debacle!:mad: :ugh:
However as I understand it she will never fly again once she reaches the Founders Museum, what a lot of effort and expense for a short term project. Reminds me rather sadly of the Korean Airlines ex MATS L-749 Constellation tragedy whereby by one of the few remaining airworthy or potentially so Constellations was prepared at a cost of many millions of $$s for a one way ferry to a static museum in Korea.
One wonders why?
Be lucky
David

[Jamie-Southend]

Does anyone have any updates ? She was still there at 15.30 today.:bored:

[GBALU53]

Jamie Southend

Well I think a lot of us were expecting to much, to come up with a possible flight schedule was ambitious to say the least before all engine runs were complete.

Untill all four are turning and burning correctly there may be a few more ammendments to its flying programme, untill it reaches the other side of the pond never to be seen in our shores again very sad.

[The AvgasDinosaur]

Full marks to Aussie Government and Qantas and all involved in this project :ok: :D , what a galling contrast to the Cosford debacle!:mad: :ugh: :ugh:
However as I understand it she will never fly again once she reaches the Founders Museum, what a lot of effort and expense for a short term project. Reminds me rather sadly of the Korean Airlines ex MATS L-749 Constellation tragedy whereby by one of the few remaining airworthy or potentially so Constellations was prepared at a cost of many millions of $$s for a one way ferry to a static museum in Korea.
One wonders why?
Be lucky
David

[N9964Z]

Unfortunately # 2 still has a couple of hiccups.

The team persevere.

~ Tracey

[hobie]

Shall we pack this one up and send it over? .... :)

second thoughts .... it might have too many hours ....

http://i7.tinypic.com/281c8jk.jpg

[frostbite]

An e-mail received this afternoon stated the long Boeing 707 resident now of QANTAS will be on its way to the Channel Islands on Monday time unknown at the moment


IF it did go, I didn't hear it, and it is LOUD!

[Jamie-Southend]

Still there, problems with No2, engine that is not crews bowel movements.:sad:

[GBALU53]

With the on going engine problems it is difficult to plan ahead with the flying programme.
I was under the immpression some dates were almost set in stone to arrive in Australia for a big party??
With some of the snags that have come about it cannot be easy to source spares at a drop of a hat.
Good luck to the ATC Lasham engineers as it is all resting on them to get the aircraft going and into the air safely.:ok: :ok:

[angels]

Any update on this?

Looks like I may be able to get to SEN the old girl take off.

But what nonsense, after all this work, to ground her.

[TheHogwartsBEngO]

A team from my company (that specialises in JT3D engines) are on their way to fettle the sick donk as I speak.

[HZ123]

Please wait until the weekend when I will be at SEN from friday to Monday. At the very least I hope someone will film the departure. A repeat performance by a 707 is unlikely.

[Jamie-Southend]

Nothing like a bit of pleeding HZ !

I wondered about grabbing the video camera myself, and climbing around the grave yard of St.Lawrence :rolleyes: as i dont want to get squashed in the rush of all the photgraphers who will be on the otherside of the RW........ presuming its off on 24 that is.

If its 06 then out come me golf clubs !

[Taildragger67]

Full marks to Aussie Government and Qantas and all involved in this project :ok: :D , what a galling contrast to the Cosford debacle!:mad: :ugh: :ugh:
However as I understand it she will never fly again once she reaches the Founders Museum, what a lot of effort and expense for a short term project. Reminds me rather sadly of the Korean Airlines ex MATS L-749 Constellation tragedy whereby by one of the few remaining airworthy or potentially so Constellations was prepared at a cost of many millions of $$s for a one way ferry to a static museum in Korea.
One wonders why?
Be lucky
David

Maybe they don't want to chance having what is still a high-capacity, pressurised aircraft end up having something nasty happen to it at an airshow. This aircraft would require a special (and therefore expensive) skill set to keep its CoA, as well as any standard jet maint (eg. fatigue checking). I agree it's a shame it won't fly more once in Australia but I'd rather it be maintained as a museum piece than turned into razor blades or rot at the end of some lonely African runway, fates that have befallen most of -XBA's sisters. :{

I just hope that JT does something good with his (like donate it to QFOM) when he eventually tires of the former VH-EBM.

[The AvgasDinosaur]

Maybe they don't want to chance having what is still a high-capacity, pressurised aircraft end up having something nasty happen to it at an airshow. This aircraft would require a special (and therefore expensive) skill set to keep its CoA, as well as any standard jet maint (eg. fatigue checking). I agree it's a shame it won't fly more once in Australia but I'd rather it be maintained as a museum piece than turned into razor blades or rot at the end of some lonely African runway, fates that have befallen most of -XBA's sisters. :{
I just hope that JT does something good with his (like donate it to QFOM) when he eventually tires of the former VH-EBM.
I fully understand your note of caution and can appreciate the potential horrors if it all was to go wrong at an air display. What I don't understand is the money time and effort to get her servicable and legal for a one way trip? I know all the arguments for and against display flying of older aircraft. They have used a special skill set to get this far.
Be lucky
David
P.S. Any of our Southend correspondants got an update on the Belfast, please ?
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=246384

[Taildragger67]

Avgas,

Yes those questions crossed my mind - presumably it would've been much cheaper to do what they did to get those Concs up to Scotland and to Brooklands - lop the fin and wings off and maybe even cut the fuselage into manageable pieces and bung it on a ship.

But this way's much more fun for those involved and let's be glad someone's decided to be profligate so the old girl flies into Sydney again!! :ok:

[N9964Z]

Due to a number of factors it has been necessary to pull # 2 engine once again and remove it from the wing for further work. Fortunately this work can be undertaken at Southend by one of the team's many project supporters, and again we are indebted for their generosity.

At this point in time it is not anticipated she will get airborne before next weekend.

NO final decision has been made on the future of VH-XBA once it arrives at QFM, static or otherwise. There may (and I say ONLY may at this point in time) be the opportunity for her to leave QFM temporarily to do the occasional special event.

Let's just get her here first, okay.

~ Tracey

[4Greens]

Sorry if this has been previously mentioned but had my attention drawn to a website: www.707.adastron.com

All the gen on Qantas 707s plus crews.

[Wunwing]

At least the MATS Connie was used to provide engines and props for the Dutch Connie after arrival in Korea.

In the case of the QF 707-138 my understanding is that she has had limited work to ferry standard only. Even if she is fully inspected there is no museum in the country capable or willing to take her.

From QF's point of view I think that it is cheaper and more PR friendly to use the Travolta 707 when they need it.

[Taildragger67]

NO final decision has been made on the future of VH-XBA once it arrives at QFM, static or otherwise. There may (and I say ONLY may at this point in time) be the opportunity for her to leave QFM temporarily to do the occasional special event.

Let's just get her here first, okay.

~ Tracey

Good point... one step at a time. :ok:

[Fris B. Fairing]

there is no museum in the country capable or willing to take her.
Presumably apart from THE museum that discovered her, fought to save her and is the current owner and operator and has plans for her long term preservation?

[heavyless]

As I type the no 2 engine is back under the wing and its is hoped that it will fire up this afternoon. The engine was worked on at southend last night, well done chaps.

[Wunwing]

Preservation being the operative word, preserved but not flying. I was unaware that THE museum was a flying museum. They certainly haven't had their Avro,DC3 or B747 airbourne for quite a while.

[Fris B. Fairing]

They certainly haven't had their Avro,DC3 or B747 airbourne for quite a while.
Indeed. Why would they want to? To do so would be a nonsense.

[sparksfly01]

i work at atc and dont even know that information how do you people get this info so quick.

but she is looking all good

[GBALU53]

Good to hear that the number 2 engine is back in place, well done to the engineers they must of know what was requried by having to take it off the pylon.
Lets all hope this could be it, fire it up and give some good news to them down under.
Untill the all clear is given by engineering the flight schedule to get it home will not be released, so we will just have to wait and see who will have the pleasure of seeing this fine aircraft grace there apron on its return to Australia well done and good luck.:ok: :ok:

[The AvgasDinosaur]

At least the MATS Connie was used to provide engines and props for the Dutch Connie after arrival in Korea.

Only leased them at a price, for the ferry flight. !
Be lucky
David

[sparksfly01]

update to the world the QANTAS 707 has now a fully operating engine no. 2. the guys have just run it and seem very happy with the outcome. looks like their back on schedule.

[frostbite]

Static engine run at idle this pm.

[AIRWAY]

G'Day all,

A bit late but i just remembered that i had these:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/v1rotate/Picture031.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/v1rotate/Picture030.jpg

:ok:

[bean]

From the excellent website link in previous posts I think I can now see some substance in the Jersey visit rumours.
It seems that the media coordinator for the project Is indeen Julian Green.
Jersey Airports promising new Director.

[heavyless]

she has moved under her own power first time this century!:all four engines running!Sounds and looks good.I believe the plan is for movements and power runs today and if all is ok a flight tommorow. good luck and fair winds!

[frostbite]

High power ground run and a high speed taxi, which may or may not have been completed.

[Jamie-Southend]

This afternoon....

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p133/Jamie-Southend/IMG_4859-1.jpg

[GBALU53]

The picture looks great, lets hope the news follows that its all systems go, with the air test shortly and details of the flying programme to get it to its new home.

[GBALU53]

Airborne shots tomorrow??

[treadigraph]

Cor, any chance of persuading the crew to route over Eastbourne after 2pm tomorrow... I wish! Looks great. Well done Qantas.

[GAZIN]

Airborne shots tomorrow??

What time I wonder? Any clues gratefully accepted:)

[frostbite]

Thanks for the picture!

Unless it does a sharp right from 24, that's probably the only view I will have.

[707 Insiders]

About 11am if weather OK - is a good rumor!!!!:ok:

[heavyless]

Cor, any chance of persuading the crew to route over Eastbourne after 2pm tomorrow... I wish! Looks great. Well done Qantas.
I'll ask the crew,but it might be easier to bring Eastbourne here!

[Stratofreighter]

Did someone say "flight" tomorrow ? :hmm:


Ah yes, at about 11.00 hrs AM it is rumoured...

[Stratofreighter]

There are strong rumours that 707 VH-XBA will take off at 11.00 AM on the Friday for an air test...

[heavyless]

Not so nice in sunny Southend today in fact its raining. The forecast is better for tomorrow so flights now Saturday if all is well and weather ok.

[frostbite]

Nothing heard (in either sense!) at 1100. Very low cloud base atm - maybe that's a factor?

[GBALU53]

Will the British weather be kind and let this old girl grace the skies on an air test this coming week end??

Well done to all at ATC Lasham what a task I would think some of the engineering staff might not have worked on a 707 before but at the end of the day is only a big 737 with two extra engines??

[sparksfly01]

think the qantas guys working on the old lady had a well deserved day off today. think both them and the plane needed a day to chill out. but i think aslong as mother nature keeps the weather off, saturday is looking good for them.

[frostbite]

Quick update.

A brief 4 engine run at idle around 1115, nothing heard since although reference was made to a possible midday departure.

[Jamie-Southend]

Just passed overhead me heading NW.

[frostbite]

Expected back any time imminently!

Just about caught sight on departure.

[hobie]

a couple of nice shots from thursday ......

http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?regsearch=VH-XBA

[tilewood]

Airborne for an airtest over the North Sea. Landed about 20 minutes ago
after an approach and planned overshoot at Southend, followed by
a circuit and landing.

Looked and sounded great. Well done to all at Southend!

[GBALU53]

What comes next could the next time the aircraft departs this could be last time we will see it as it heads west bound??

Hope we can see some information on the planned departure times and routing before it leaves Southend on its journey to its new home.

[hobie]

A bit more background info on the restoration project here .....

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/11/27/210799/Picture+Restored+Boeing+707+prototype+in+Qantas+colours+perf orms+engine+runs+ahead+of+delivery.html

[Jamie-Southend]

There are some nice shots on another forum site, not sure if i`m allowed to post the link though ??:mad:


As long as it's not a commercial link please do Jamie

[HZ123]

Aircraft departed today at 12;55 and returned some 2 hours later. Airborne in picture on 'Airliners.net'.

[jabberwok]

Airborne in picture on 'Airliners.net'.

I can find two ground shots but no airborne picture..

[Jamie-Southend]

Presume tomorrow is her last day at SEN :(

Here is the link.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1050427#post1050427

[BigPhil]

I've stuck a few here too:

http://www.ukar.co.uk/cgi-bin/ukarboard/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=34;t=24933;r=1

:)

She was gone a long time. I feared it would be to dark for photos.

[N9964Z]

Sunday - engineers doing some work.
Second test flight planned for Monday afternoon.
If that all goes well, will depart Southend for Dublin and Montreal, Tuesday 5th at 10.00am.

~ Tracey

[Stratofreighter]

Weather permitting, they will do another testflight on Monday! Today is "engineering day"...
See the "official update" below:

"Hi everyone,

Last night is a most remarkable day.

One Boeing 707-138B, in fact the first ever, has returned to the skies.

VH-XBA took off from Southend - on - Sea on Saturday 2nd Dec (last night our time) in the capable hands of the crew, Commander Murray Warfield, Captain Roger Walter Captain Brett Phoebe, Flight Engineers Harry Hermans and Joe Plemanuk.

On board were QFM 707 Preservation Team Maintenance Manager Peter Elliott, Avionics Engineer Denis Martin and Team Airworthiness Manager and CASA delegate Ken Cannane.

Nearly four hours of solid test flying over Eastern England/ Channel was followed by a practice go around and landing back on to the shortish runway at Southend.

There are number of items requiring followup maintenance but all are considered surmountable.

Peter, Murray and Ken were all very glowing about the aeroplane, its performance and its engineering integrity.

The QFM Chairman Warwick Tainton said "this has been a fantastic testimony to the more than 15000 man hours put into the aircraft over the last 6 months by our very dedicated team of volunteer engineers. I understand they had a bit of hesitance handing over their baby to 'those pilots who only ever break things'".

Behind the scenes are many, many volunteers doing support jobs of all descriptions. This achievement would not have happened without the efforts of every single one of them.
Support from companies and governments across the world has been extraordinary.

This project is probably the most difficult and technically advanced project ever undertaken by a team of volunteers in the world, ie returning a passenger jet to flight after 6 years on the ground.

Hats off, and throw them into the air with a great cheer. Well done Team.

This effectively is the end of the “get her into the air phase”. Now begins the “get her to the other side of the world” phase.

Back to reality;

Sunday will be an engineering day as the weather is forecast to be “UK Dec” you know, starts with a “Y”. A second test will happen soon.

Thanks

Paul

Paul Clarke
Director - Qantas Foundation Memorial"

[HZ123]

Todays report is that the a/c has a couple of snags that were being addressed this afternoon. If OK there may be an airborne test at about noon tomorrow and on return to SEN the 707 will be signed over to the QF flight. Departure may be 1000 on wednesday with only a tech stop as the 707 required to be with Boeings by 8th december and time is short. I would be happier if you could wait till Saturday. Better informed threaders may state different as this was told to me at 1430 today.

[N9964Z]

Some outstanding engineering issues from the first test flight has resulted in the second test flight being delayed until Wednesday (tentative). The weather at Montreal is also now particularly bad, and the routing from Dublin to Seattle is to be changed (and yet to be finalized).

~ Tracey

[Tacklebury]

Hi guys,
Bit of an update for you.
I was luckily enough to be able to have a look around XBA yesterday. I last saw her back at the begging of the year looking very different to what she now looks like. The work that the engineers have done is simple amazing.
These guys have lived and breathed the 707 for the last few months and their efforts are now finally coming to fruition.
XBA should go flying later on today, if the Wx holds out. There were only a few minor things to look at for this morning, and the pilots were keen to get her in the air this afternoon.
I took lots of pictures so once I get them converted (RAW 2 JPG) I’ll post them for everyone to enjoy.
Once again, the men (and ladies!!) that have made this possible should be proud, VH-XBA is going home.
Tack :D

[Tacklebury]

Here we go then....
VH-XBA in all her glory
http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/707/1.JPG
http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/707/2.JPG
The number 2 engine
http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/707/3.JPG
http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/707/4.JPG
http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/707/5.JPG
http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/707/6.JPG
http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/707/6a.JPG
http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/707/7.JPG
http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/707/7a.JPG
http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/707/8.JPG
http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/707/9.JPG
http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/707/10.JPG
http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/707/11.JPG
http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/707/12.JPG
http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/707/13.JPG
I hope you enjoy...
Tack

[Tacklebury]

Also found this on my PC, a sort of before and after addition.....


Tack

http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/707/707beforerefurb.JPG

[heavyless]

If the weather is ok it is looking good for second test flight tomorrow morning (wednesday):ok: :ok: :ok: :ok: :ok:

[Jamie-Southend]

Great Pics Tacklebury, nice to see some close up`s.

Any interior ones ? :rolleyes:

Jamie

[Tacklebury]

Thanks for the reply Jamie.
Sadly the one request that the pilots and engineers asked was that we didn't take any internal pictures. I think it's down to the fact the interior is kitted out for the pervious owners, the Saudi Royal family. It was very impressive for its age. Compared to modern Biz Jets it looked a bit dated, but in its day it would have been very comfortable.
We were allowed to snap a couple of the Cockpit for personal use, so I can't post them. I would love to but we were very lucky to be able to get up close and personal and I wouldn't want to upset our hosts for the day.
Again thanks for your comments, I wish I was able to see her fly tomorrow but work is going to stop that.
Tack

[Off Stand]

I have heard there is now an APU fitted, where is it housed? Well done to everyone that is involved in getting this treasure back in the air.

[N9964Z]

Test Flight 2 is scheduled to depart at 0830 Wednesday, with a return at 1200-ish.

~ Tracey

[N9964Z]

Off Stand,
The APU has always been there, but just like everything else it had not run for 6 years. They got it operational again on November 8.

~ Tracey

[GBALU53]

Todays air test is it on?

The planned departure time was going to be 0830.

If the air test is going ahead any ideas on where this will be taking place??

[Tacklebury]

XBA was due out at 8.40, joining CLN then off to the east into the Military FIR.

Then joining at CLN back into EGMC. This plan is set for around the 1010 mark,.

Tack

[jabberwok]

I picked it up at 1035 about 25nm east of OTR at FL340.

[frostbite]

It departed at 0925 and very kindly flew directly overhead my house at about 2,000 ft. Great view!

Landed after a go around just after mid-day.

[davydine]

I have been following this thread for a while. But thought I had better join and post a message!

Did she fly over northern Colchester at about 12:00 on her way back to SEN? I am pretty sure I saw her in the distance but it might just be wishful thinking.

Congratulations to everyone for getting her back in the air. Great to see an important piece of aviation history being saved...:D

Davydine

[sparksfly01]

another 707 found taking off at southend today
http://shutter07.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/07/009/77/BF/5E/5C/U23ePI8XHE0Z+-YwGCDZ-IfBIU1ht7Eb0300.jpg
rumoured to be planing long distance flights from Southend to Longreach

[sparksfly01]

another 707 seen taking off at southend

http://aolpictures.aol.co.uk/galleries/sparksfly01/34b0I4jbLMz2bNOfuHOYQusvFN4A0e0bzBt9v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/

[Jamie-Southend]

Davy, I gather she was operating in the Clacton area for the test before going back to SEN for a couple of ILS approaches.

[sparksfly01]

the old lady before we slightly adjusted her. on take off, just rotating
http://shutter07.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/07/008/73/7E/6F/C5/+45eiwntMlhz71yGcQxOGXRUDd-vbwh70300.jpg

still on the run
http://shutter09.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/10/002/7E/F5/1A/5F/6T0x3JDW0xARQYmZPB3GTyVHTol8Vucb0300.jpg

and in the air, love to see fuel burning like that
http://shutter07.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/09/003/7E/EA/8E/EA/+kzG9Rc2QOd54ea4aj261odvsKWaksXj0300.jpg

and back on the ground some hours later
http://shutter07.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/09/005/3E/BD/5E/88/HCxY6s6w-kfKluMWU1pJPrtcJPJ3-LWN0300.jpg

[Tacklebury]

nice pictures sparks, love the landing shot.

[sparksfly01]

Tacklebury. a bonus of working at ATC lasham with a good high roof

[Tacklebury]

Excellent, so if i bring my NATS pass when she leaves, i might be able to blag my way in????

The View from LTCC is not so good!!!

[sparksfly01]

sorry i cant help you there. its not upto me to decide

[N9964Z]

Second test flight successful. Will be departing Southend Friday 08:30 Local, and heading home.

Planned route as follows:
Southend - Dublin - Tenerife South - Bermuda - Orlando - Long Beach - Honolulu - Nadi - Sydney.
May overfly Bermuda and continue to Orlando, depending on fuel and performance.
At this stage planned arrival in Sydney 08:55 Local, December 16.

~ Tracey

[Stratofreighter]

Not sure whether any of our Irish cousins is reading this, but just in case here's the latest from Dublin:

"The latest flight plan

FRIDAY DECEMBER 8

SEN-DUB ETD0830 ETA1000

DUB-TFS ETD1200

Please NOTE aircraft is on ground at Dublin for two hours ONLY on FRIDAY.

Reschedule and RRT due flight programme being, now, 18 days behind schedule."

The Australians obviously are trying to win some time by cutting stops... Even Seattle will now be by-passed, Tenerife South, Orlando and Long Beach instead getting a flash visit... Canada is now "out" as well...

[N9964Z]

The new choice of route is not a matter of cutting down stops, but based primarily on weather factors and fitting in with Travolta's schedule. The weather in the NW U.S. and Canada is particularly bad, with Seattle having the worst snow storms in a decade recently. The choice of route will also avoid the worst weather expected on the U.S. east coast.

~ Tracey

[747boy]

What's the purpose of the stop in Dublin. I could understand if you're heading north but if the next stop is Tenerife South I can see the benefit.

[N9964Z]

Dublin was chosen, due to British Customs and stringent EU restrictions making other airports a problem - one of the reasons they could not land in the Azores. Noise Abatement procedures also has a play in it, with her only being Stage 2 hushkitted (that is what primarily ruled Stansted out a short while back).

There is always a reason why things are planned as they are.

~ Tracey

[heavyless]

What's the purpose of the stop in Dublin. I could understand if you're heading north but if the next stop is Tenerife South I can see the benefit.
We have a very short runway here not like our pier that is the longest ! The disadvantage of a short runway is that a 707 sized aircraft cannot leave with a large fuel load reducing range till your next fuel stop, and also whos Shelling out with sponsership for the fuel for the journey home to longreach!:ok:

[Wycombe]

Is she RVSM compliant? I imagine that could also influence some of the routing decisions.

[Taildragger67]

Good bye and fair flying old girl, I hope I get to see you in Longreach one day.

Well done to all who got her to this stage. You should be proud. :ok:

TD67

[panjandrum]

:ok: Non RVSM and Non 8.33 radio, apparently.

[sparksfly01]

Almost everyone from ATC Lasham Southend and all the Qantas Foundation Memorial Guys and Lady that are still in the uk today.
The Engineers, Crew and of Course the Old Lady Herself will be sadly missed here at Southend. Will be good to see her leave but also a shame to say goodbye.

http://shutter07.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/07/007/5F/F9/18/90/27czdOIp2wHd6lt9fWZmOGhr9d33SIhN0300.jpg

[Tacklebury]

As TD67 says, good luck guys and gal,
Thank you for a fantastic day on Monday, you made the three of us very happy and I feel privileged to have been able to meet the team that put the effort into getting her back into the air.
I hope the return home goes smoothly and you guys can relax and enjoy Christmas with your families knowing you have saved a historic kite from the graveyard.
I too hope to see her in longreach in the future, knowing it was your efforts that made it all possible. Hold your heads high for a brilliant job.
God speed :D
Tack (the guy with the camera, who had a morning shift the next day!!!!)

[The AvgasDinosaur]

God speed, here's wishing you dry wings and soft landings.
Have a few bottles of "Job well done"!!:D :D Can't wait for the book and the DVD. Put me down for one of each please.
Be lucky
David

[Stanstedeye]

I shall keep my ears and eyes open tomorrow morning, if it flys west from SEN I just may be in luck.