Typhoon mishap?

[jwcook]

Just got this posted on the website

ZJ810 (Callsign Triplex 1) crash landed early this evening at Coningsby. Crew ok. It seems the nose-gear failed on contact, although they were expecting it to, by all accounts. Fire crews in position well in advance.

Any more info?

[Cool_Hand]

I heard that on approach the nose gear didn't extend but main mounts did. Approach was aborted some manoeuvres were tried to get the nose wheel to extend but were unsucessful. Aircraft landed, using just aerodynamic braking, came to a stop on main mounts and nose. The pilot vacated normally.

[r supwoods]

That'll be a warranty job then? :rolleyes:

[Unwell_Raptor]

The pilot vacated normally

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Yes, I think that i would have done the same thing in his position. Is that why it's called an ejector seat?

[Cool_Hand]

:D I believe he climbed over the side, or that is what seemed to have been implied from the info. I received but probably didn't infer that well enough :D

[CBA_caption]

Photos on the "UKAR Message board". Not that I'm a closet spotter, you understand, purely professional interest.:(

[Soiled Glove]

http://www.ukar.co.uk/board/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=9;t=10742;&#top
Lucky it wasn't the main gear that failed to extend otherwise it would have been a 'throw it away and get a new tie situation'!

[bluetail]

That well known song comes to mind

"3 wheels on my wagon.......I,ll just keep rolling along"

"2 wheels on my wagon.......OOOOOPPPPSS"

Glad to see all OK though,

Ground the fleet was heard I gather really quick

BT

[Pontius Navigator]

<< I believe he climbed over the side, >>

Eventually.

Guess he was waiting for the steps but they were too tall.:}

[Bear 555]

Have a picture from the 'net, if we feel it's appropriate.
I would not like to feed the tabloids more drama and speculation for their fires...
Bear 555

[24bit]

Bear 555,

The Mods have already removed some previously posted. However, the SUN posted an article today albeit without any pictures, so it's in the public domain now.

24bit

[airborne_artist]

Still a pic on this thread (http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=52803)

[reacher]

Similiar way to how the Aussies lost a mirage way back when.

[rhajaramjet]

Those pics indicate some pretty substantial damage to the nose area - buzz is it will never fly again, but on the good side, it will go a little way towards easing the critical spares support problems.
The question you have to ask yourself is 'why take the approach cable?'
That was bound to bring the nose down very firmly, when a simple drag 'chute retard with the nose being lowered very carefully may have resulted in much less damage (including damage to the runway!) Like we always did in the old days, Brian!
Anybody know why the staish didn't land first and so save the cost of a diversion to Marham and a trip home by road?

[RIDIM]

He never took the cable, the runway was sanatised before landing, he used his chute to slow down and the landing was carried out very smoothly. Job well done.

[MightyGem]

From the "other" Still a pic on this thread (http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=52803)thread:
Jackonicko, key, and PilotHGT just earned a 2 weeks ban through their "brilliant actions".
Jackonicko banned?? Surely not!

[EXATCO]

RIDIM

the runway was sanatised before landing

Pardon ignorance but does this mean cable down or derigged or a FOD Plod? Out of ATC for 10 years now so waaay behind the times!

[RIDIM]

It means the cables were removed from the runway. If the nose had come down before the cablethere are several areas it could snag on the aircraft, causing rather unpredictable things to occur.

[EXATCO]

Many thanks RIDIM - sound like it's more than a halfcrown spray job though!!

[Pontius Navigator]

Jackonicko your mail box is full again. If you don't read 'em your sources will dry up!

[Flatus Veteranus]

"It'll polish out, Chiefie!"

[Onan the Clumsy]

bloody hell that was confusing going to that other forum.

I got lost for a little while there. Couldn't tell which was which :8

[Hueymeister]

Anyone got a piccy that works?

[Rakshasa]

From the UKAR thread...

http://www.ukar.co.uk/board/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=9;t=10742;st=20

Dont see what all the fuss is over on Key.

[Rhino power]

Dont see what all the fuss is over on Key

The 'fuss' over on Key is down to couple of guys, Fonk and NungesserC are the main culprits, trolls of the very worst kind thay are. One of them used to post here under the name Gegene(sp?), you only need to check his posts to see what I mean.

Regards, RP

[Grimweasel]

More to the point there's a working Groves 422 Crane lifting it! Wretched crane can only lift 20 tonnes really close in. Bring back the Coles 315M, a mans crane!!

[Blodwyn Pig]

remember the iron fairy?....now thats a name for a crane!

[Jackonicko]

Pontius,

Inbox cleared!

Ref bannings. Some Frenchie referred to the Brits as 'Mr Beans' and harped on about our national inadequacies, and was then upset when I referred to the French as soap-dodging, ugly bird molesting surrender merchants.....

[Rakshasa]

The 'fuss' over on Key is down to couple of guys, Fonk and NungesserC are the main culprits, trolls of the very worst kind thay are. One of them used to post here under the name Gegene(sp?), you only need to check his posts to see what I mean.
Regards, RP


Ah, I see. Most of it had been edited out by the time I looked in...

Both using WWI french aces for handles, too? :yuk:

[soddim]

I referred to the French as soap-dodging, ugly bird molesting surrender merchants

I do wish Jacko would say what he really means about the French - he's far too nice to them.

[ORAC]

You should have mentioned cheese somewhere in there. Always pleases the froggies if you mention cheese.....

[Navaleye]

Jacko, well said. That Typhoon doesn't look that badly damaged. I know a good panel beater that could take the dents out. Anyone know for sure if its a write off?

[Jackonicko]

Orac,

I didn't want to offend anyone.......

(And I find that disparaging their hairy-pitted, stained toothed womenfolk, and their lack of personal hygiene to be every bit as effective as talking of cheese.....) ;)

[PPRuNeUser0211]

Navaleye...

Not sure about the exact details, but one of the major snags with typhoon is the level of composite use in the airframe, not quite as simple as taking a hammer to it;) Most of the structure is load-bearing iirc

[Navaleye]

Maybe they could fit rubbing strips on the underside of the nose for the remaining fleet? Seems a bid sad to be talking about writing off a £50m piece of kit before its even entered operational service. :confused:

[engineer(retard)]

"Maybe they could fit rubbing strips on the underside of the nose for the remaining fleet"

Or strap on a couple of Jackos abrasive mates :)

retard

[The Rocket]

Having had a quick look around the jet at Coningsby recently, with the radome and radar removed, it certainly doesn't look all that bad at all, and the gingers seem pretty confident that it would be repairable. Certainly looked in a lot better shape than several Tornados I have seen after a wheels up landing.
Although Composite materials hide a lot of damage, and can be in quite a state whilst looking outwardly fine, it seems that the radome, radar assy and canards took most of the hit, all replaceable items

Although perhaps a certain Mr El***t won't be too happy to have his jet dead for such a long time:p :ok:

[Jobza Guddun]

Mr E's feelings toward "his" jet aside, I wonder if the Typhoon spares situation has improved somewhat recently? :hmm:

[Jackonicko]

Do we take it that Mr E was at the controls?

[Safeware]

Jacko,

Maybe it was just the one with his name on the side????

sw

[The Rocket]

No Jacko,

Simply that as Safeware has said, his name is on the side.

Sorry if that has caused any confusion

[Smudger552]

I have some great photos of the Typhoon 'incident' unfortunately I can't attach them to my post!!!!

[PerArdua]

Smudger552 are these photos in the public domain yet because I have a number of photos as well that seem to be doing the rounds. About 12 photos before, during and after.

PA

[r supwoods]

I guess we must consider them to be in the "Public Domain" as I have recieved them from several different places.

[Smoketoomuch]

On a related note.

Can't find the original thread where last year's Fairford Typhoon 'incident' was discussed, but there is a very clear video at the link below. I don't think it's been posted before - apologies if it has.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/viewer.php?id=5332

[Archimedes]

STM, it *was* posted at the time, but anyone trying to find the original thread would be hard pressed to locate it using the search function here. So I don't think too many apologies are required!

By the by, I've found that googling in the search terms one is hunting for and then adding 'pprune' to the end of the search string will usually get you to the thread.

[Jackonicko]

I remember when the PRuNe search function actually worked.

[BOAC]

It still does, Jacko, and it is better than ever. Just needs to be used properly:rolleyes:

[BEagle]

Certainly does. Just go to 'Advanced Search' and request all 'Typhoon Fairford' posts within the past year and in a few seconds you can get what you want....

Such as:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=182254highlight=Typhoon+Fairford

:rolleyes:

[Rhino power]

Theres a photo of the actual incident over on keypublishing.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=53305

Scroll down to reply number 16, must have been quite a sight!

Regards, RP

[Another St Ivian]

Just spotted this on another forum. Quite amazing;

http://whmc.org.uk/euro.pps

[soddim]

They just gotta do something about those full nose down canards before the next time!

[k3k3]

By the look of what is coming out of the jet pipes, the engines didn't take kindly to being fed ground up runway.

I would think the intakes and engines are going to be the most expensive things to repair in this case, perhaps they should fit castors under the intakes?

[f4aviation]

I would think the intakes and engines are going to be the most expensive things to repair in this case, perhaps they should fit castors under the intakes?

Skid blocks would be a good idea - use some of that F1 technology!

[endplay]

Got a very impressive powerpoint presentation of the landing in an email today which I've attempted to post, but failed. If someone could pm me with the instructions on how to do it I'll put them up.

Edit - Just seen Another St Evian's post (who clearly does know how)

[mystic_meg]

..was that meant to be deployed?

[PerArdua]

Maybe if he had selected IFR the nose U/C would have come out!!!

PA

[Onan the Clumsy]

Skid blocks would be a good idea - use some of that MF7 technology!

:8

[airborne_artist]

The PowerPoint is here (http://www.hrmconsultancy.net/images/euro.pps)

[Safeware]

IFRP - '..was that meant to be deployed?'

yes - stops Automatic Low Speed Recovery from kicking in and taking you skyward again.

sw

[soddim]

Presumably the nub of the problem was that automatic nosewheel up overrode manual undercarriage down and automatic nosedown canards overrode full back stick then automatic scratch my nose cost the manual taxpayer automatically the price of a new teabag?

[Rhino power]

A better(!) set of pics of the incident, those EJ200s look very second hand!:ouch:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71070

Regards, RP

[Onan the Clumsy]

Skid blocks would be a good idea - use some of that MF7 technology!
Sorry, on reflection, that was a little obscure. MF7 = Maurice Farman Longhorn :}


http://www.anzacday.org.au/history/ww1/anecdotes/images/longhorn.jpg



I bet those guys on AH&N would have got it, though on reflection they'd probably start pointing out why the design wouldn't work in a supersonic environment :ugh:








You are welcome to use these images for a commemorative, educational (eg school assignment) or reference purpose providing you cite the Australian War Memorial reference number that appears in the image caption and acknowledge the Australian War Memorial as the source. - AWM P01976.001.

[Navaleye]

I would call that an a spectacular landing!

Here (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71070)

[batfink2]

Any news on the airworthiness of the airframe? The last rumour I heard was that it's pretty shagged - with some fracture lines found. Typhoon Chrimbo tree here we come...

[Pontius Navigator]

batfink, when I find out you can be sure I won't post the answer here.

This is, after all, a rumour net so please feel free to rumour and speculate but don't be aggreived if you get crap answers.

[batfink2]

Very true! Sorry for being so low as to ask a serious question!
Guess I'll have to see if it's tail number appears in the skies - evidence, after all, quashes all rumours! ;)

[Pontius Navigator]

batfink, if you have a need to know, ring Caroline Hogg at Coningsby and ask her.

[Argonautical]

Some chap called Rusty posted these on Sunday to an aviation public usenet newsgroup so they can be consisdered to be in the public domain. If they have been posted before, apologies as I have been away for three weeks.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/argonautical/Picture01.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/argonautical/Picture02.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/argonautical/Picture03.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/argonautical/Picture05.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/argonautical/Picture06.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/argonautical/Picture15.jpg