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Rakshasa
14th Dec 2005, 13:45
(Odd place to ask I know but an unfortunate coincidental piece of timing means I've got to.)

Could sombody with a wikipedia account pop over there and revert the... vandalism to the Eurofighter entry?

Some T**ser seems to want to spend today slagging off any article related to the RAF and BAE. :mad:

Unfortunately I'm on AOL and my server Ip is currently blocked. :ugh:

Epsilon minus
14th Dec 2005, 13:58
Raksasha
Isn't it sports afternoon for you? You need to get out more mate
:cool:
EM

Rakshasa
14th Dec 2005, 14:02
The problem is I'm currently recovering from getting out too much!
:}

g126
14th Dec 2005, 14:10
Where is the article, I can't seem to find it?
Any chance of a link?

G

Rakshasa
14th Dec 2005, 14:13
Sure, one sec.

ah someone appears to have fixed it. :ok:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon

Jackonicko
14th Dec 2005, 14:49
Now who could have done that?

Just contemplating 'fixing' Rafale.

The French tw@t keeps re-posting his intro:

"The Eurofighter Typhoon is one of the most expensive weapons programs ever in Europe but is nevertheless years behind schedule and millions over budget. The aircraft still remains in a pre-operational deployment since few of its weapons systems are fully verified. The RAF version carries a false gun. The missile designed for the aircraft is not operational. Despite a probable cost of more than $100m per copy the aircraft is not currently fit for any combat operations.

Designed to confront the Warsaw Pact, the system has become emblematic of a procurement culture that has left the armed forces incapable of meeting real-world requirements. Designed and built by a consortium of European nations formed in 1983 the multiple production lines have contributed to its wild cost overuns. The extent of these cost overruns has been concealed by governments. In design it it reflects the comparative antiquity of its conception. The claim that it is one of the most capable fighter aircraft currently in service is highly debateable. Claims of a large export potential for the aircraft have not been realised."

Feel free to replace it with:

"The Eurofighter Typhoon is a highly agile twin-engine multi-role canard-delta fighter aircraft, designed and built by a consortium of European nations formed in 1983. In design it resembles other major modern combat aircraft such as France's Dassault Rafale and Sweden's Saab Gripen, employing an unstable Delta canard configuration. Its combination of agility, performance, stealth features and advanced avionics suggest it is one of the most capable fighter aircraft currently in service. Compared to its older rivals, Typhoon's cockpit and Man Machine Interface are claimed to be significantly more advanced, resulting in a lower pilot workload. Developed by Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK, the Eurofighter Typhoon will fulfil the requirements of its customer air forces well into the mid-21st Century. After some delays and technical difficulties the aircraft is in full production and more than 50 are now in service, having achieved Type Acceptance. A second production 'Tranche' is now on contract."

Now who could have done that?

Just contemplating \'fixing\' Rafale.

The Rafale entry now reads:

The Rafale is a French twin-engine delta-wing multirole fighter aircraft designed and built by Dassault Aviation. It is being produced both for land-based use with the French Air Forceand for carrier-based naval operation with the French Navy. Though using a modern canard Delta configuration, the aircraft is hampered by a poor Man Machine Interface, and the type has been rejected by South Korea and Singapore. The Singapore evaluation revealed major problems with reliability and availability, and the aircraft failed to demonstrate claimed radar performance or the ability to supercruise. Singapore was also reportedly unimpressed by Rafale\'s much vaunted \'Omni role\' capability. \"Show us, properly\" was said to have been the reaction, according to prestigious industry newsletter Defence Analysis. With under-powered engines and a passive electron-scan radar viewed by many as a technological dead end, Dassault badly need to fund the advanced F3 variant, but this is unlikely to happen in a meaningful timescale without an export customer. The aircraft\'s EO sensor is also said to be experiencing major problems. Still subject to delays, the Rafale (once progressing well ahead of the rival Eurofighter Typhoon) has still to enter operational service with the Armée de l\'Air, and less than a dozen are in use with the French Air Force for trials, evaluation and conversion training.

MarkD
14th Dec 2005, 17:42
Protection of the article from this vandalism has been requested. Wikipedia just won't bite the bullet on anonymous editing.

Rakshasa
14th Dec 2005, 17:53
God just look at the history page. What kind sad sod spends two days constantly sat in front of their computer vandalising a bl**dy Wikipedia page?

They originally posted this:


The Eurofighter Typhoon is one of the most expensive weapons programs ever in Europe.
It is nevertheless years behind schedule and millions over budget. It has failed to achieve any significant export sales, the Greeks having abandoned plans to buy it in favour of the F16. The aircraft still remains in a pre-operational deployment since few of its weapons systems are fully verified. The RAF version carries a false gun.

The missile designed for the aircraft is not operational. Despite a probable cost of more than $100m per copy the aircraft is not currently fit for any combat operations. Designed to confront the Warsaw Pact, the system has become emblematic of a procurement culture that has left the armed forces incapable of meeting real-world requirements. Designed and built by a consortium of European nations formed in 1983 the multiple production lines have contributed to its wild cost overruns. The extent of these cost overruns has been concealed by governments.

In design it it reflects the comparative antiquity of its conception. The claim that it is one of the most capable fighter aircraft currently in service is highly debatable. Claims of a large export potential for the aircraft have not been realised. The claim that Eurofighter is stealthy is preposterous, according to Dr Carlo Kopp.

The Eurofighter Typhoon is described by Max Hastings, the 'authoritative' British defence writer, as the "most expensive albatross in history". The cost of the Eurofighter project was excluded from a U.K. National Audit Office report in November 2005 because it is considered “commercially sensitive.” . Britain has bought 144 of the aircraft at nearly £65m each, but the project is more than four years late and has overrun by over £2bn. However it is one the most competent interceptor fighters in the world second in comparison to the F22 Raptor, and is in the reserve squadrons of the RAF already.

Eurofighter has failed to achieve any significant export sales, the Greeks having abandoned plans to buy it in favour of the proven F16. The Austrians are currently the only export customers, having ordered 18 of the aircraft. Singapore rejected the aircraft as they felt it was over competent for the role required. The Saudis have demanded that a corruption investigation involving the earlier sale of Tornado aircraft to the Kingdom be dropped before it will consider the aircraft.

Designed to confront the Warsaw Pact. Billed originally as a “dogfighter” it is now intended to have a new type released to be used in a ground attack role, for which its current suitability is questionable, However it is estimated of all the modern fighter aircraft the Typhoon only falls short of the F/A 22, however there is no comparison in price, and ongoing maintenance costs between the two.

Designed and built by a consortium of European nations formed in 1983, multiple production lines have contributed to its cost overruns. The extent of these cost overruns has been supposedly concealed, however this is just wild rumour as the overall cost has been preseneted to thae participating nations throughout the project. Many 'leading' aircraft critics make claims to discredit the aircraft, the design allows the. The claim that it is one of the most capable fighter aircraft currently in service is highly debatable according to some, however since in fact the aircraft is at the same operational status as an F/A 22 these claims are false.

The origins of the Eurofighter Typhoon lie in a private venture by Dassault to find an successor to Mirage 4000 and developments from this plane, 12 years later Bae copied the french idea for thier the Advanced Combat Aircraft (ACA). The British government committed to funding development of an advanced aircraft and together with funding from commercial partners this gave rise to the BAe Experimental Aircraft Programme resulting in a single aircraft which first flew in August, 1986, and the Eurofighter bears a strong resemblence to the EAP.

The initial members of the Eurofighter consortium were naturaly France, Germany, United Kingdom,Italy, and Spain. In 1985 France withdrew after detecting the poor shapes of the plane that british was trying to involve, Dassault expertise in Delta fighters planes and Mirage 4000 pushed in favour of its own Avion de Combat Expérimental (ACX) project (which later became the Dassault Rafale).


:yuk:

Then somebody counted with this:

The programme has attracted some controversy, and has suffered both political delays and (like all of the new generation of superfighters) minor technical problems and some cost escalation. Though the programme is now making excellent progress, it remains the target of much abuse from ill-informed, anti-European commentators (notably newspaper journalist and military historian Max Hastings) and from hordes of nationalistic French aviation enthusiasts.

MightyGem
14th Dec 2005, 18:24
I'm sure I heard an article on Radio 4's PM, that wikipedia had
stopped anonymous editing to prevent this sort of thing.

joe2812
14th Dec 2005, 19:32
I think the anonymous edited was stopped due to this.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/11/wikipedia.ap/index.html

SmilingKnifed
14th Dec 2005, 21:28
Jaconicko, just one question (not intended as a pop at your article I assure you). Stealth characteristics?

(I emphasise once again that I'm asking a genuine question).

Archimedes
14th Dec 2005, 23:53
Just taken a look. Went to edit the bit about the designation (you can't have a T1 and an F1, after all...) and it has been protected.

Unlike the Rafale entry.... :}

Jackonicko
15th Dec 2005, 00:59
"The Singaporeans were also unimpressed with the Se Rendir automatic combat disengagement system which automatically deploys a small white flag when the aircraft comes within visual range of an enemy aircraft."

Hmmmm. One of yours, Archie old boy?

MarkD
15th Dec 2005, 01:45
You can edit anonymously on wikipedia but not start new articles - this was the change made recently.