Air Canada emergency landing inKEF

[ashland]

Just heard that A330 with 281 pax made a single engine
landing in KEF Iceland. Local sheriff said the emergency landing
went well and emergency squad leader claimed the brakes did
not even warm up...everything went well and pax will be picked
up this evening by AC. The A330 will however need an engine
change before it can take off...

[321 Flyer]

So where did you hear about this? I can' t find any mention of it.

There was a news link here (http://www.myaltitude.********.com) but I can't find it anymore.

[PaperTiger]

It appeared briefly on CBC, but has now disappeared. Nobody hurt so no story :hmm:
Nice to know A330 brakes do not warm up on landing :rolleyes:

Bit more detail on Flyertalk (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500130)

[rotornut]

http://www.vf.is/frett/default.aspx?path=/resources/Controls/57.ascx&C=ConnectionString&Q=Front2&Groups=0&ID=24327

[Dingersan]

Yah. I was just north of Kef when I heard him going in there. He was telling them about dangerous goods and I think it confused the heck out of Iceland Radio. (Nothing really dangerous on board - just Air Canada SOP I guess.) Anyway, glad to hear it went well.

[sky330]

In case of emergency, advising the ATC and emergency services of any dangerous goods on board is an...... ICAO SOP:E :E :E

[AlphaWhiskyRomeo]

I heard a Polet An-124 picked up the sick engine today and brought it into PIK.

Any idea why it would come in there?

[PPRuNe Radar]

Probably to be repaired I would think :ok:

There is a GE engine facility at Prestwick

[AlphaWhiskyRomeo]

D'oh.

For some reason I was thinking RR instead.

Cheers.

[PaperTiger]

And you were correct AWR. AC's A330s have Rolls Royce Trent 772Bs.

[PPRuNe Radar]

In that case, maybe to be repaired by RR at East Kilbride :)

[Joetom]

Me thinks aircrafts are like cars now, a Ford can be fixed by Honda if they have suitable training in place.

But if failure was a strange/non-normal mode, then engine maker will want engine as soon as poss.

I think those RR fitted to 330 are ok now in general, think they had many problems when young, lack of oil flow caused IFSD's.

[lomapaseo]

So why are the folks staring at a closed cowl ?

[doo]

Flew AC857 LHR/YYZ 21 Nov, picked up a 2hr delay due a reverser fault #1 Eng, same a/c?

[ashland]

15 Air Canada engineers have been performing the engine change outdoors in KEF, as no wide body hangar available
in the worst rain and wind conditions that I have seen for a
long time there. They must be heroes if they get everything
right under these awful weather conditions,

[Flexable]

Can they ferry a spare engine on the big Airbus (330/340) like they did on the 747?

[mymymy]

#1 Eng tower shaft failure = N3 overspeed = OPU shutdown command = Diversion into KEF.

ashland, perhaps you could bring those engineers some coffee?
:ok:
3my

[PaperTiger]

Can they ferry a spare engine on the big Airbus This has been asked on a couple of boards, but no answer so far which suggests to me that it can't be done. Of course some might say that with a 5th (unpowered) engine hanging on a 340 it would never get off the ground ;)

[What's a Girdler]

Well, thank goodness the other engine didn't fail otherwise he'd have taken all night!!:}

[Algy]

Anyone care to have a stab at the total cost of this? AOG; care of pax; An-124 hire (does RR pick that up?); aircraft to collect pax; knock-on effect on schedule...

[AlphaWhiskyRomeo]

A good half mil, although the An-124 might have scooped the sick engine up as part of a back load.

[QAR ASR]

I was on frequency when this occured and my deepest sympathies to the crew involved. Just as they called the problem every prat in creation piped up offering help and advice, even one of his own company suggesting he diverted elsewhere! Did he mot have the professional respect for his colleagues to consider that they may have looked at their options. (Before someone tries to shoot me down, I've heard helpful r/t transmissions in such situations and this was not it, it was just cringeworthy).

I know people are keen tick their good deed for the day box but having to field a torrent of unecessary r/t is the last thing someone needs in that situation. Especially when the transmissions amounted to little more than transatlantic back slapping. It would have been more helpful keeping the frequency clear so if needed to, he could have asked for help.

[L337]

I am afraid to ask, but, I will. :-) What accents did the "transatlantic back slapping" take place in.

L337

[pete zahut]

lomapaseo So why are the folks staring at a closed cowl ?

They are fixing the engine with the power of their mind which is more time efficient. :}

[BUMPFF]

Somewhere between 'astronomical' and 'incaculable'. I was involved in an investigation into an occurrence involving a B747 at a remote Arctic location some years ago that involved flying in a new engine nose ring by AN-124 and five days down time plus two weeks hangar time after the aircraft had been patched up and flown out. I believe all parties are still arguing over the bill.

[Icelandic_pilot]

Hey guys, new here at the forums.

Yes those guys were heroes doing this in the crappy weather that was here at the time, but it was totally unnecessary. And saying the aircraft would not fit in the hangar is a load of crap!
Our 767's can easily be fit in there, and can actually fit a MD-11. So one A330 should fit in there, and the Icelandair mechanics told the Air Canada mechs that more than once. But no, they said it wouldn't fit.

[Clarence Oveur]

Wingspan :

767 - 47.57 m
MD-11 - 51.97 m
A330 - 60.3 m

12.7 m more than a 767 and 8.3 more than a MD-11. You better have something more substantial than "it should fit". And then measure it twice.

[smith]

I think the GE facility at PIK carries out work on all engine types not just GE engines as GE bought the company a good few years ago and it was a general maintenance facility then. I stand to be corrected on this though.

[Georgeablelovehowindia]

smith, you're correct. BA renewed the overhaul contract with GE for their Trent engines recently. It was in the financial bit of the newspapers.

[cod liver oil]

Icelandic_pilot, if it's the facility in the background (http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=930028&WxsIERv=Obrvat%20757-204%2FRE&Wm=0&WdsYXMg=Vprynaqnve&QtODMg=Xrsynivx%20%28XRS%20%2F%20OVXS%29&ERDLTkt=Vprynaq&ktODMp=Znl%201995&BP=1&WNEb25u=Onyqhe%20Firvaffba&xsIERvdWdsY=T-OLNR&MgTUQtODMgKE=Yrnfrq%20gb%20Vprynaqnve%20sbe%20n%20srj%20zbag uf%20ng%20gur%20fgneg%20bs%201995.&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=1145&NEb25uZWxs=2005-09-27&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=26964%2F452&static=yes&width=1024&height=693&sok=JURER%20%20%28nveyvar%20YVXR%20%27Vprynaqnve%25%27%29%20 NAQ%20%28cynpr%20%3D%20%27Xrsynivx%20%28XRS%20%2F%20OVXS%29% 27%29%20%20beqre%20ol%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=2&prev_id=949641&next_id=866475&tbl=type1) that you're referring to, I'd be curious to know the height of those hangar doors.

A330 distance from ground to top of vertical stab is 55' 5.9"

rgds

cod

[Icelandic_pilot]

I'm not sure of the exact height, but a MD-11 can fit in there, and the distance from ground to top of the vertical stab is 57' 6'' (17,53 metres)