what do ya think about my training

[fab01]

hi everybody !
I'm 31 since july and have the financial opportunity to do an PPL + ATPL + CPL/IR.
Actually I'm selling my house and i think the benefits could pay my ATPL CPL/IR.
I'm living in France.
First of all, next month i would like to began my JAA PPL(A) and the practise. According to a FI that i saw la

[fab01]

Sorry i made a mistake and submit the post too soon.
According to a FI that i saw last week, he said it possible to achive my PPL in two months.
I would begin the training in the early november and achieve it in the late decembre (I think i would be a nice santa claus's gift
:ok: )
After my PPL
1/ I'll do a distant atpl learning (for example BGS which is knows as bristol GS because of positives answers about this school). I will permit me to save money and have some 'cash intrance' at the same time.
Between 12:00 AM and 2:00 PM, i could have at least about 1 hour to study my ATPL th. At home i could easily have between 1:30 and 2:00 to study. During week ends, i could work about 4 hours a day do you think i could be done in 8 months ?
Who has done it in the 'fewest' time ?
2/ After obtaining the ATPL, i would go to states to continue training because i must log about 200 Hours before to beginning the CPL training in UK
3/ After CPL training, i will do IR and MCC training in UK.
I'm sure your are wondering why i wouldn't directly go to states to achieve my training.
It is for different reasons
- I don't have a GC so i'm not interested by FAA .
- According to me, most of countries would prefer A JAA licence. For example, in autsralia, most of indian ocean's countries, Vietnam JAA is most required.
- My mothers tongue is French but one knows that Fluent english is required when ou are Commandant or First officer. So i'm interested in JAA UK licence even if i'm a donkey in english language.
- At last, I couldn't do training in US because
:mad: DGAC aren't agree with the fact that ground school was done in JAR country. The training and practise must be done in the same country and US is not a JAR country even if Naples is an approved FTO. The conversion depends on internal politic of the country.
- In the future, i 'll need a French JAA licence because after a unfrozen ATPL, i think i'll come back in France (poastulate for AF as professional after 1500h). So i can't do groundschool and CPL in the states :* . May be i'll never come back in France, may be an FAA licence will be recognized by JAA states in the last 5 years, may be i'll win a GC. But i'd prefer to follow actual rules.

What about that ?
Many thanks for your replies if it's worth or not, about schools, about CPL/IR. All comments are welcome.
See you later :ok:

PS: I'm married and have children so if i have to go to states, it's better to spend the lowest time there.

Sorry, this subject is quite redundant.

[Lee Frost]

Sorry Fab,

Unless I'm mistaken, you haven't actually asked a question - unless the reason for your post is for others to give their ideas on your outline training plan. (?)

Are you doing the JAA PPL in France?

8 months sounds very tight for the ATPL's, certainly with the available studytimes you are considering.

States (don't forget Canada - Harv's air perhaps) is fine for hourbuilding, nice and cheap....but you are wrong - the only requirement to commence CPL training is 150 hours. HOWEVER to be issued with your CPL you must have 200 hours total of which 100 hours is Pilot in Command.

Schools to recommend for further research:

Bristol Ground School ATPL http://jals.co.uk/bgs/
Atlantic Flight Training
Professional Air Training
Airways Flight Training
Stapleford
Oxford
Aeros @ Gloucester
Bristol Flight Centre

There are many others but you will see them mentioned in the myriad threads the research will turn up.

Bon Chance
LF

[Send Clowns]

As I work for an FTO I will not recommend schools or otherwise, but I suggest if you think your language is a problem then you have 2 choices. Do a course at a specialist language school (there are a couple in Bournemouth) to learn aviation English, or else do a full-time course rather than distance learning. Being taught in English and speaking it all through the day is tough but we find it helps our foreign students. Their English always improves rapidly in the first 3 months, especially in onscenities for some strange reason, perhaps down to their classmates!

[fab01]

Hi everybody
Lee,
I'm planning for a french PPL --> JAA PPL. I should start the PPl training next month.
I'm agree with you that i must have 200 hrs and 100 hrs as PIC to begin the pratice of CPL.
After my PPL i'll have between 45 and 55 hours.
To achieve my practice and have 200 hours, i think about doing 150 hours as PIC in the states. The cheapest hour is about 50$ in us may be it will cheaper if i buy a grap of 150 hours. In France it is about 110$ for an hour. If you consider landing taxes and the increase of gas prices, it may cost more tnah 110$. During winter, i couldn't fly because of weather conditions.
On the other hand, i couldn't do the ATPL theory in the states because the French (DGAC) won't never convert my JAR UK licence. According to them, the pratice and theory must have been done in the same country and US is not a JAR country enven if some schools are caa approved.

Hi send Clowns
I think i can manage myself in English language. But i'm afraid of technical word if i do my ATPL Th.
Considering the integrated ATPL (or Ab-initio ATPL), I think i don't have enough money to achieve a complete ATPL CPL/IR MCC.
The modular training is cheaper.
The integrated ATPL is too expensive about 50 000£ = 71 400€ if i add fees, accomodation and food, it would be too expensive. In france the Ab-initio training costs about 60 000€.
But if you have another information about training, school, you can reply or PM me.

Have a nice day

[khaosanroad]

Hi Fab 01,

I understand your motivation, but be careful and move step by step:

- take a few flying lessons to be sure that you really like it

- after completing your ppl take a close look at the market situation, many pilots are in the line for their first job. But if you are really keen, then yes go ahead.

- Selling your house is very risky, You should better do the distance learning atpl and work at the same time. This is what I did and I think that completing it in 8 months as you said is very optimistic. For the CPL and IR, After the written ATPL, try to get a 'fongecif' that we have in France: if you have worked more than 2 years in a company you are allowed to take a leave for a training, your wage is still paid every month and sometimes the training cost can be paid by the social organisms.

- Your idea to study in an english speaking country is very good. We have excellent flying schools in France, but speaking fluently english is an issue for young French pilots.

- Do not focus too much on Air France, it is a great Airline but there are very very few opportunities except for cadets and ex Air Force pilots.

Good luck,

[Send Clowns]

fab

You can do the modular course full-time and ab-initio, that is not unique to the integrated programme. I would never recommend an integrated course to anyone, but I would recommend full-time groundschool to most people if they can do it (not just because I teach it, I will be teaching much less soon!). That should help your technical English and general grammar. Some of the questions are worded in a confusing way, so grammar is important.

[fab01]

Thanks a lot for your replies.

khaosanroad
I only want to say that a job as First officer is my dream since my youngest age. For the market situation, i think i won't have many problems because i'd like to work for MDG company and they need about 96 Commandant/FO only for international flights. I'm citizen there. Actually MDG employs a lot of expat and they're looking for national pilots (less expensive). Accroding to me MDG is like a starting bloc. After few years, i will have signifiant experience i could apply for others companies.
For the 'fongecif' i'm afraid i couldn't do that because i live in France but i work abroad. I live near the frontier.
For my house, i have to sell it because my house is so far away from my work.
I'm interested by learning distance because i can work at the same time.
Don't worry , I'm not focused by AF. There's also another great companies MK airlines, Emirates, others....
Of course, there are excellent flight schools in France (EPAG, ESMA, EAF - CESA) but i'm realistic and if you're not cadets nor ENAC you won't never find jobs in France especially if you're a rookie. Actually there are about 1800 pilots in France who are seeking for a job.
So if you're looking for a job abroad, you must be fluent. That's the reason why i'm interested in UK ATPL.

The question is "Should i do an UK ATPL in States in approved UK FTO hoping that laws (especially the DGAC ) will change in the five years for conversion " or "Should i do a french ATPL and coming back to US or UK" to improve my english skills.
The laws might be 'easily' turned because with my UK ATPL CPL/IR, if i go for example in MALTA or LITUANIA or LUXEMBOURG, they'll give me a licence where there is no mention of the training FTO. It is just written on IT UK ATPL UK CPL UK IR. After that, i come back in France and ask for a conversion.

I think i would waste my time because i have to stay in UK /US at least 6 months to improve my langauge skills.

Hi Send Clowns
I think, you're right. Then if i do a full-time groundschool, how many mouths should i expect to achieve this training ?
Could you tell me more about you Job / company / accomodation / fees / others ? As PPrune is just a forum and not dedicated for advertising, you can MP me.
Thanks a lot

See you later guys !!
(what do you think about my writting english :\ ?)