Does anyone know if they have any recent plans for hiring. And what kind of requirements are they looking for .

Maybe a web address aswell if anyone out there knows it.

Hey guys

I heard that there will be some hiring soon but just making contact is pretty tough. I've been trying to get in for a while but with no luck yet. I've got a couple of mates who used to fly there who say I'm wasting my time. They reakon the mighty Falcon Express is going downhill very fast and that management doesent have a clue. Sounds like a normal company to me. I heard they are looking at a couple more crews by next couple of months. We'll see. I'll try to find out more.

Requirements are 500 total and 300 multy but with a B190 type, or ATR 42 type. Not sure about the ATR though. No website.
Someone said a lot of instructing time would help - who knows. Good luck

thanks for the info betavalve. Let us know if you hear anything else please especially about them going under!

Betavalve - your couple of mates are right on the money! Anyone looking to apply would be better off saving the money spent on faxing a CV or making a phone call. Sad but true. Latest word is that the beginning...of the end...has now commenced.
Having said this, either 4000+ hours instructing in singles (preferably Piper) or following the teachings of the prophet seems to have been of great help to recent hires.

It's a shame that FECA is going down the tubes,Middle Eastern teachings are are not air-user friendly :D

Yeah not too sure about there financial position but the pilot moral is apparently going completely down the tubes. I heard now that it is true to be hired you need to be Dubai resident and that it seems to be causing friction amongst the expat pilots. I'd prefer to have the chance to see that for myself. I heard the Chief Pilot there has a hidden agenda.
Also was just told that ATR type wont help, but they have plans for a couple more. Still sounds like worth the effort to me. Good tax free salary in a nice place.

Going under?? Last I heard jets were on the way - maybe some of the Falcon boys will get a shot at Emirates after all. Its only the beginning...

With ATR's on the way, wouldn't that free up some spots lower down on the totem pole?? ie. the 1900???

Why is moral so bad at a company that is expanding? Maybe I'm thinking with my arse again, but doesn't more planes equal more opportunities, hence more moral??

But then again, what do I know.

sounds like someone is thinking JoeCo, however have heard that the expat wage and working conditions throughout the middle east isn't as good as it used to be with the cost of living there increasing, my guess with no unions aloud in the middle east moral can easily drop if management aren't communicating with the flock. A problem which is growing in all areas of industry in the middle east especially aviation.

Maybe I am missing something guys but why is instructing time on singles desirable by Falcon Express ?

That's a damb good question falcon20, I couldn't figure that out either. Especially the part about that time being specific to a Piper?? I know that the flight school at DXB runs Pipers, maybe it's something to do with that?? Me, I don't know.

Did a bit more research and it seems that Falcon Express has had a tendancy in the past year or so only to hire guys locally available and trained through the Emirates Flying school. There have been a few exceptions but not many. There are three pilots in Falcon who are previous Chief Flying Instructors there. Obviously then the standards must be very high. Perhaps these guys are better suited to the flying environment of the region.
Either way it seems unfair that other qualified (like myself) cant get a look in.

I guess the old boys network is in action everywhere.

Yep - Obviously!!:confused:

What is the problem at Falcon??? A lot of negativity coming from a company that seems to be a time builders dream - lots of night turboprop hours, expanding company, nice place not to mention the unbelievable salary. But all I hear is stuff about bad moral and unhappy pilots. You guys need to get in the real world. Something must be really pi**ing you guys off big time.

What gives????

Just exactly how unbelievable is the salary to which you refer??? I'm intrigued!!

Not that unbelievable. Looks good compared to some places though but the cost of living is a good leveler.

As for poor moral - I think spinalcomppression had it right - management not communicating with the flock.

Not sure what the deal is with the Emirates flying school guys? They certainly have nothing to do with Emirates Airlines. From what I have read here in the past, these guys do have thousands of hours of piper time and still can't fly! Is that true? Why would you hire inexperienced and incompetent pilots when there are so many experienced guys out there. :rolleyes:

I guess it must be cheaper to hire the local guys although I heard they arent even Emirates nationals. As for flying skills dodging one cloud a year cant be too tough - try them out in Darwin for a season!!

There's more to flying than dodging clouds pal.

youre right - I bet staying awake at Falcon is pretty tough too!!

Paddle: You are right on the money. What you say is completely true. The reason these guys are hired is because the chief pilot is in fact one of those you refer to also. I guess if you're that 'inexperienced and incompetent' it would be nice to have some company eh! Unfortunately the guy has single handedly destroyed the morale at the company as well. It has been a great job for a lot of guys but times have changed. Still...maybe a change for the better could be afoot? How slow can the 1900 fly asymmetric again???

somewhere between red line and blue line or does it depend on whos sitting in the jump seat? more to the point or whos in the front two seats.

Heard that they might be needing some more people due to new rest requirement regs which are coming in to effect but, was also told that if/when they get the 2nd ATR, that they might even have to get rid of some guys ... one or two!! :eek: .........maybe some of those useless ones! :p

ps did they get the first ATR going yet :rolleyes:

Paddle: Nah don't believe they need any extra's to cover those new regs. At the most I understand 'Captain's Discretion' is going to be required to complete a flight...captain's are all a chipper bunch though so should be no worries. Can confirm the first ATR is online, still with wet leased Captains. Heard that the skippers prefer it if the FO's they're working with leave everything alone in the cockpit?! Can't believe that....shocking CRM. Then again they could have their reasons?
Had a good CRM in Satwa a couple of weeks ago.
WeeWilly: You sound remarkably well informed?! There sure is more to flying than dodging clouds, for example landing in a crosswind!

What second ATR???

Latest story is that the first one may be returned due to Lessor and Finacier insurance problems..... Something about Middle East being a warzone... a little further East perhaps??

you bet tonto i like to keep my finger on "the pulse"

I see the fallout from the Kashmir has reach the UAE already.:cool:

Ravensdale: Nah you don't have to go any further East than DXB to find a warzone! Got a good mate there...Lower Shk.Z Rd fella...u should see his place the morning after an average night off!!!

Yip - he was in good form last night too!!! :D :D
There are still some good times here:D :D

Does anyone have contact information for Falcon Express Cargo, or does anyone know anyone in the Corporate Relations department? Any help will be appreciated.

"Corporate Relations Department" ????

I've been trying to contact them for a while, the best bet is directly by phone, head office is in Dubai

What exactly does a "corporate relations department" do for a company in question?

Negotiate salary, improve moral? Initiate new training plans and ideologies for the crew to keep them updated and up to speed?

Nah!

The what department :confused: ? I doubt anyone at Falcon Express would know what you meant!

Looking for a job are you?

I actually made a mistake, I meant Corporate Communications. This department usually handles the press etc...

I have a business card from ther DFO, does that count?

Were you given the card at night??:D
If so, you will probably be given the DCM treatment:cool:
Don't miss the 1900C's :eek:

Aside from all the negative posts about the company, if someone where interested in persueing employment at Falcon, what is the typical process? If an interview is involved, who pays the plane ticket? What about conversions? What's the Pay scale? Any specifics might help one determine whether or not it's worth a shot.

Thanks

Well it was fortunate before posting this reply Joe Co that I decided to read 'Living costs in Dubai' as I was about to give you the full run down on FECA. I have a few friends flying for them now and though moral has been down it is starting on the up and I don't think your attitude would go down at all well within the company, infact it is the last thing the company or any company needs, I don't think you would even last the walk out to C8.

The only advice I can give you Joe Co is stay off those drugs and get your mind straight 'higher is not always better' :mad:

Hey baconeater,

I guess I don't really blame you for not wanting to share your information. Perhaps I wouldn't either if I was in your place. However, I would have thought that comments made, ironically almost one year ago to the day, would not necessary be the judging factor in ones current attitude. Honestly, I hadn't even remembered posting that, in fact, I don't even know why I did and I didn't bother going far enough back into past posts to determne why, BUT I do agree with you, the comments that I made were most likely unjust and definately were far from being politically correct. So again, I appologize for that.

I can't comment on why one would go back a full year for information? I kinda figure anything that's over a month or two old could very well be misleading and I choose to leave the past in the past, so it was quite surprising to see those past comments. Anyhow, I'd like to leave those posts in the graves of the forum and hope you do aswell. Perhaps you might reconcider suppliing those of us "not-knowing" with what you do know and maybe help some of us try and get our carreers moving on a forward path. Regardless of how you decide, I'll respect your decision and would hope that we can continue forward into the future and leave the past behind us.

Cheers,

Joe

As for my signature, one can interpret it however they wish, but lets not go off running with the idea that I'm walking around in a daily haze of bong smoke!! Someone said it, I thought it was funny and put it as my signature. If you think about it, it can quite simply be connected with our aviation industry and that was it's sole perpose, just to be slightly off beat and humourous.

Does being resident in Dubai with an unrestricted working visa help, when seeking employment with Falcon Express?

Mt Qatar.
Im just wondering since you mentioned that you dont work for Qatar airways but it seems like you know so much about the airline industry which is impresive. Are you a pilot trying to get in with an airline in the middle east or is it just a hoppy for you ?
you can send me a private messegse if you feel more comfortable. And by the way I applause your loyalty to your country and your airline. ;)

All time "LOW MORAL", is it possible due to the new rules and variations specifically designed for the lucky FECA crew!! :rolleyes:

Certainly can't get much worse! I thought things would get better but obviously not. :(

(Zair, who has just realized the CAA is...............useless)

Anyone care to comment?

ZAIR one must realize "This is the Begining...........Towards the END."

Bleeder - What new rules and variations??:confused: :confused:

We have been blessed with New Flight/Duty Times and new Rest Times = WOW

So whats the problem?

1. Betavalve I guess you just have to be here.

2. "EQUIPMENT RUNNING 3% BELOW TARGET = ANY COMMENTS!!!!" :confused: :confused:

So the new Flight and Duties have struck eh?! How the boys finding them? Not much fun?

Bleeder you sound like a switched on chap. But you serious about the all time low moral? Ouch!

As for equipment running just 3% under target...that sounds pretty good!!

Zair: You have done outstandingly well to have clung to the notion that the CAA was anything otherwise for this long!!

Haselled: Yes as I understand it, having that should help. There are a couple other things which will help no end also, but I believe they've been mentioned before!

Thanks for that observation Tonto.

By the way you were mentioned at the pilot meeting the other day and so was spinalcompression!

Well, I guess you outsiders are wondering what the hell the topic of the meeting was? Mainly the new work and rest requirements.
Rules such as 900 hours in 12 months have been implemented. However as of today everyone’s hours start at zero supposedly. Why implement it in the first place, you ask yourself? You tell me! There are plenty of guys either on the edge of 900 hours or even well over, having this rule would mean time off for the last mentioned, however during the meeting it was confirmed that Falcon will not be hiring to ease the schedule. To bad for you guys out there seeking employment with Falcon. Not much else was brought up at the meeting.

It would have been the perfect time to have maybe mentioned company moral however the head in the sand tactic was applied by the chief of pilots. Neither were upgrades or ....this is just the beginning!

Considering the frequency of pilot meetings at Falcon I must say that I am disappointed at what was covered and the manner in which this was done.

Tonto; before you reply!
No, I didn't expect much from the meeting to be honest, however one can always hope!

Scary, the world runs on the policy no discrimination against Sex, Creed, Race or Religion. At this very moment, this notion is being VILOLATED, in this company !:eek:

This company consists of four groups: (Only one can be attributed for the LOW MORAL = CAN YOU GUESS WHICH ONE)

1. Management

2. Maintenance

3. Pilots

4. Jinglies

Well that is interesting!

Sorry to hear about the meeting Zair, no surprises though eh. As for me being mentioned....nah....reckon you must have me confused with someone else! Wondering under what light he/she was discussed?! Wouldn't have been labelled as the scapegoat for the morale situation?!

That's a shame about the clock's all going back to 0 hours for the time limits. Still, if the present hours had been included, which demographic of the pilot body would have been getting the well earned rest?! Couldn't have that now could we?!

Bleeder: That is some EXCELLENT fire in the hole!! Great to see someone being honest. Don't think you require my answer??! All I have to say really is that although that view is VERY valid there, it's not really the go in civilisation I've discovered!

Hey any of you fella's know how the planned re-registration is going for one of the 1900's there. That real good one. A6-K .. .. wasn't it?!

Strategic Management works in mysterious ways. Myth has it, that it is designed to do GOOD and increase PRODUCTIVITY within a company. :rolleyes:

Keeping this in Mind.

To further increase the PRODUCTIVITY of this Company, the FOLLOWING have to be REMOVED immediately :

1. JABA THE HUT :eek:

2. RECKLESS RED LINE :o

:rolleyes: (ALL IN FAVOR SAY "AIYEE" !!!!) :rolleyes:

Well it is finally coming out after all of these months of bitching..the only problem it takes pprune and anonimity to bring out the truth or lack of truth. Not even a so called "pilots-meeting" can calm the storm....zair, bleeder, tonto...well all I can say is thanks...I hope management is reading this and picking up on what is really going on within our organization because things need to change in a drastic way. As bleeder said, you guess where the problem is. All I have to say is that I agree.

baconeater...all I have to say is i know who you are and you should play for one team and one team only!;)

So many new faces on here!

Where are some of the old hands?! Like Colt Steel and Ravensdale? Those boys still making movies??

Damn those censorship laws eh! Forcing healthy entertainment underground....

Mate - Just kicking back seeing how unhappy the boys are.....time for a change.....

Movies are still going strong

The Faces are physically the same but different depending on the company they are associated with....other than that the same crew is here fighting for what we all have been fighting for quite some time now....just a new approach...will they listen.....who gives a F#$%K anymore! It is all words.....and procrastination!

;)

Nice attitude guys. I think I'll withdraw my application to join your fine company. Sounds like it aint worth it anyway.
At least you wingeing s.o.b's have jobs.

Get in the real world!

Ravensdale: Great to hear you're still in production! Good thing to fall back on when you lose that medical I reckon!!

Betavalve: "Get in the real world!" ?! I think you'll find that is exactly what all the good guys are trying to do...

Ravensdale...medical...its covered mate!!!

Betavalve.... if our "bitching" make you withdraw - sounds like your application was either torn up or on the way out long before this posting......???

Just one question....what is your "real world" like?

OK now there seems to be alot of "low morale" at the company and that's being fuelled by a few "frustrated can't get a job anywhere else" jet wannabes.Specifically, one who's away doing his 737 type(hope he gets a job before we go insane) ....
Granted it's not emirates but we try to make the best of what we have....it's one of the few places in the middle east where you can come in with piston time and a type rating, get your turboprop time and move on to heavy metal.Pay is good, hours are not too bad and dubai is a great place to live in.If I were looking for a job in falcon,I wouldn't believe 95% of the posts here supposedly from falcon pilots.
Take care and happy job hunting guys. :)

Its good to see that all pilots in all arenas are more or less the same - everybody bitches about everything...

Now, is there anybody out there on this thread that could possibly give us a telephone number, postal address or any other information that would make it possible to contact these guys.

Any help, does not matter how insignificant, will be sincerely appreciated.

hey petes dragon

The postal address of falcon express is P.O.Box 99372,Dubai,UAE.To get in touch with the company and check if there's any hiring going on , you'll have to talk to the operations manager who's quite friendly , Steve and the number is 0097142826886.Fax number is 0097142826593.Currently it looks like no movement going on but it doesn't hurt to get in touch.

Best of luck. :)

Nosirrah

Thanks for the information. As you say, it does not hurt to try...

I'll keep you posted if I learn anything.

NOSIRRAH you seem to be out there by yourself,what gives??

well........
it's quite simple really.I still haven't forgotten the struggle a pilot has to undergo to get an airline job, especially when there are so few vacancies for pilot jobs going around.Yes,I enjoy this job and thank god for giving me this opportunity .It's sad to see that a few pilots out there need a refreshing of their memories.
And again , guys, best of luck with your job search.:)

Nice posting nosirrah - must commend you on your original name also. I think you really are the only happy pilot at falcon. Reading through all these post which really are starting to drag on it seems that all the potential is there for a great company but moral is bad due to complete mismanagement and incompetence. This really is a lot more common in the industry than you all think. Someone earlier mentioned the real world. In the real world people get fired for not doing there jobs properly. It seems falcon needs to clean house. Unless it does this company is a real waste of your precious time. :(

Pete

FYI - Steve's email address is jetjock@<hidden>

I also think Steve is a good guy. All my dealings with him have been most professional.

For an operation that seems to be taking a lot of flak, they spend a lot on training.

Spend a lot on training? I heard the costs do mount up when courses have to be repeated:eek:

Hector

<I heard the costs do mount up when courses have to be repeated>

That would do it - I wasn't aware of any repeated courses.

All gone a bit quiet at Falcon? I heard a coupleof guys were given extended leave to further their careers - whats that all about? Seems management are encouraging tham to leave? Any vacancies coming soon. Despite the low morale I'm still interested, perhaps I can offer a fresh and enthusiastic addition.

Thought this post had been put to sleep:cool:
Not another from the antipodes wishing to play in the pit.:(

Does anyone know steves last name?

Sanchez.
American hero type who has flown 'everything'
Take everything he says with a grain of salt. :rolleyes:

Hi mates,

I am interested in obtaining any info. on Falcon
X Cargo. What I am interested in is weather
they are hiring at the present time, what sort
of hours they are looking for, the culture, what
type of x-pat pilot the cheif pilot is looking for,
who to contact "c.p. or director of Ops." this
type thing I am looking for... I heard they
operate an all cargo fleet, is it? As well,what
sort of chance a person will have if he/she
holds a pilots license and maintenance engineers
license. Mates, I tried to locate a website for
them but I couldn't find one, does one exist?

Any info. info. mates is very much appreciated..


.....the next few rounds are mine as long as

we are drinking.....

Cheeeersssss.....

nil water , you sound familiar, like someone who used to work out here a while ago, and yes i agree with your recommendations .
Sstan , falcon requires a 1900 type rating and minimum 300 hours twin ...our ops manager is the guy to call on vacancies and it looks like there might be some soon.
If you want to get quality turboprop time with a progressive and growing company that pays fairly good in these parts and don't mind flying a maximum of thirteen days a month ( avg 80 hours) with good time off , then falcon's the company .
A word of caution though, the company usually likes to hire pilots rich in enthusiasm and those that like to play as a team ,no room for whiners out here.:D
So,best of luck guys in the job hunt.
:)

You can get a bit of gen on

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68987

and then you can read all about it on

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52949

Sounds like a good bunch of guys with an OK operation that fly really dirty birds around. Ahh, those were the days...............

4HP

Nossirah,
I deleted my original reply to sabastienl so your reply to my post looks a bit out of place. Sorry about that.
Sabastienl,
Falcon Express is a great company to work for, great pay and great for building turbo prop hours in order to move on to a heavy iron job or even on to a heavy turbo prop operator. (I certainly enjoyed working for them).
Having followed these Falcon bashing threads for quite a while now, it seems that at present there are a lot of Whiners in the company. (Just a guess, but I bet most of them are from the antipodes!)
(By the way Nossirah, not only do I take my hat off to you for your very original name but also because you are the only one who has anything positive to say about a great company).
I think the guys at Falcon need a reality check, it seems they have not only lost focus on what they hoped to get out of the company but have totally forgotten what they have come from and what Falcon has given them.
What gets me is that Falcon is a small outfit all be it one that is growing, (which is so rare in the current economic climate) so these whiners should be glad they haven't been furloughed!
Go on guys I know you are itching to have a b!tch about what I have just written, so let it rip!
4Hp thanks for the link to previous threads so Sabastienl and others (who will more than likely be greatful to get the job) can at least get their resumes in. And by the way, they certainly were the days, you certainly can't beat flying a 'dirty bird'.

Good luck to you Sabastienl and anyone else trying to get into Falcon, its certainly worth it!

NW

Nosirrah,4Holer Ploer,
Nil Water,

Hi mates.... I really appreciate your positive
feedback that's great! from the sounds of it
I would definitely be interested in joining a
company like that. Couple of things I want
to find out:...if you guys happen to know
name and Tel. # for the Dir.of Ops. and
when would you suggest be a good
time to get hold of him/her without being
stopped at his Sect.'s desk.

Nosirrah,

Since you are currently wroking for FEC,
what sort of average time pilots are being
hired on with FEC? By the way you
mentioned type rated on 1900; is it a
must, what I mean is could a person get
type rated through FEC after being hired
on. Any feed back is wonderful weather
it's positive or negative it all helps and if you
fell comfortable in sending me a message....
don't hasitate please do..


Thanx.....Cheers.

.......I am buying the next 2 rounds in Dubai......excuse me

....... can we get some Shish Keobobs and Sheesha!:) ;)

S,
The Director of Ops is Steve Sanchez (nice guy, very friendly), best time to call him is 11am local (Dubai is +4hrs GMT.) Fone number is +9714 2826886.
(If you go to 4HP's second link (above), and trudge through the 3 pages, you'll find a lot more info about the company.)
According to a source still with Falcon, the Beechcraft 1900 type rating is still a must along with the 300hrs multi, (the last 3 new hires had these requirements).

NW

Alright I'll bite, Nil Water.

For starters, I reckon "nosirrah's" handle is a f*%king disgrace.

Possibly surpassed only by someone so spineless as to pretend to be a 'former employee' or to have a 'friend' employed by FECA and then mouth off on this forum, when the reality is that they themselves are a present employee. Disgrace.

As for any negative comments made, the old adage of where there is smoke, there's fire, is worth bearing in mind.

I think you'll find that most of the guys working for the company are well aware of the benefits of the job. Most of them worked hard to get there. And it has provided an important step, and continues to do so, for plenty of guys. However there are some fundamental problems there now which did not exist in the past, or at least have escalated, and for the good guys in the outfit (the 'whiners') it is hard to stomach the situation. Why be content with crap when things have been sweet in the past and could be notably better in the future?!

Could be worth thinking about. Don't think ANYONE enjoys low morale at work eh! As it does effect everyone...

Ramadan mubarak

TK

hey sstein,
check your pm regarding your request.
And tonto,
I'm really surprised by your post, obviously the comments I've made about the company I work for have hurt you deep enough to call me a disgrace.I'm sorry, but that's the way I think about my company and you can't please everyone ,can you?
Please try and control your anger , anger can markedly affect your performance in the cockpit(I hope you don't take it with you on flight).

Every company has things that can improve but improvement should be done constructively and practically.Dialogue is the only solution for problem solving , so i think that this company has all the potential and we should work with the company in solving them.

Take care and fly safe....:)

'nosirrah' :

Not sure how you came to the conclusion that your comments have caused offence. It was your handle (that means 'user name') I passed comment on. Personal and thinly veiled. Lucky your victim doesn't know who you are eh.

Couldn't agree more that communication is the way forward. So if you've got issues with the individual that you refer to in both your handle and also your posts, why not engage in a 'dialogue' with him?? Sure he'd love to chat.

Do you really believe that the key character/s in the company that is/are behind the problems is/are open to constructive criticism? More likely to be regarded as dissent and guarantee malicious rostering I would suggest...

As for anger in the flight deck - when you say it can markedly affect your performance, is that for better or worse?! Seems to me that the guys that might have something to be miffed about in the company fly pretty well! Maybe that's the difference eh!?

Sounds like bad CRM though doesn't it. Whereas for a good CRM you can't go past Ravi's in Satwa...

TK

Nil Water,

"I think the guys at Falcon need a reality check, it seems they have not only lost focus on what they hoped to get out of the company but have totally forgotten what they have come from and what Falcon has given them. "

Don't you think that this comment may be out of line considering the fact that you only speculate about people agenda's based on what you hear on magnum or rumors!??

I know how hard I have worked to be within Falcon and what sacrifices I have had to endure. In addition, I know what Falcon has given me and what to expect out of it but you cannot dictate as to the fact that "we" have forgotten where we have come from and what Falcon has given us. Some of the problems within the organization are expected but you do not have the right catagorize or call people names (whiners) because you may have personal issues with them. I would have expected more out of a person with your stature and responsibility. Contradictory don't you think?

As a matter of fact, I know that I have heard you on many occasions speaking in dirogatory terms about the company and the director of ops you so proudly speak of.... who is calling the kettle black?

Another question? Why do you keep switching handles? Do you get a kick out of playing two sides and winding people up?

Just my opinion...."life is full of hippocracy"

Crawl back under a rock Nosirrah

dear www,
Have we met before???
U have obviously mistaken me for an arachnid of the insect species.....tsk..tsk..

As for everyone from FECA, wishing you all a very happy eid(belated) and the season's best greetings.Hope we have a wonderful new year too.

:)

Is he the one with the crooked eyes??

How can it be good if certain individuals are still employed by FECA???

May the next year bring justice to Falcon!!



Please Lord, save us!!!!

just adding a personnal question
i would really love a job there and am trying to get in touch with s.sanchez , but i am wondering if any of you knows if they would be ready to give you a promise of employment before you go invest in a fairly expensive type rating .Also How long do you normally stay on the right seat (I have 3500 hours with 700 ME and some 300 turbine ) ?? Do you need to do a CRM course ?
Which destinations are you guys flying to ?
I visited the UAE in May and even had a go flying A6 FAA in Fujairah , was lots of fun ...definitely recommend Fujairah aviation center for pleasure flying .Great new 172's there .

With your kind of experience and time , you stand a very good chance of employment with us.Yes, you should get in touch with Mr.sanchez, our DO.
As for the promise of a job, as far as I know most guys who've been employed by FECA did take the risk of getting a type rating without the promise of a job , but if you talk to both the D.O and the chief pilot and you do well in an interview(if called), you should get the job.I know of very few guys who've done the type rating and still without the job , and mostly it's because of very low time or experience.
If I were in your shoes ,I'd get in touch with the company , even maybe a trip down here's a good idea to meet them in person, then go do the type rating and keep in touch until the call for an interview, it's a risk that I myself did take but it worked out fine...anyway, that's my own viewpoint.
Staying on the right seat depends on movement in the company ...there have been times when upgrade was under a year and slow times when upgrade can be two and a half years.....it all depends on the health of aviation as a whole and people moving on to jet jobs elsewhere.:p
Destinations we go to are all the major places in the arabian gulf like bahrain, doha, kuwait, jeddah and so on and few more destinations in the pipeline,I've heard...:D
CRM course is not a prerequisite in getting the job but I'd do one if it was convenient and not too expensive to get, it's always good one to write on the CV..
Well that's about it and best of luck in your job hunt ..hope this helps
:)

nosirrah,

You mention that only a very few guys with the Beech 1900 type rating fail to get a job and that these people have very low hours or experience. What do you mean by this ? 250 -500 hours and fresh out of Flight School?

Nosirrah , thanks a lot for that .Duly appreciated .
I am now waiting for a reply from mr Sanchez and will see from then .
What is a good place to do a Be 1900 C typr rating ,out of curiosity ?

haselled,
The min required is 300 hrs twin and a type rating , so there have been times when guys have 400 TT,100 hrs twin ,get the type and then hope to get the job , in today's very competitive aviation job market, it's not just having the min's that counts, for the applicant to be hired, he/she needs to stand out among the rest in terms of experience, total time, any special and related qualifications etc. etc.It's simply a case of demand and supply...we have hired guys with a total of 500 hours and guys with more than 3000 hours to the right seat, but they all had the minimum required time.
Then there's this damn thing called professional attitude and courtesy :D .... how a candidate talks and behaves with the Ops manager and chief pilot does help in securing the job, unfortunately that cannot be taught anywhere and I think does influence the decision making a lot...so a guy might have a lot of time and experience but really pisses off the boss by demanding a job..believe me, it does happen.That's the reason that networking plays such a major role in aviation , a good word from a friend always helps:)

perceval,
I cant help u much on that, pre 9/11, US was the best and least painful($$$) option but all that has changed.I think flight safety is one of the places u can do it at, but quite expnsive.Ihave heard of some who've got it from S.Africa and australia,but sorry :confused: , i don't have the addresses u'll have to check around , maybe someone else on this thread could help......anyone???

I am new to this forum and was just wondering if i would be competitive to the current times that Falcon is looking for. I have approximately 1700 total with 540 multi. I have always wanted to live in Dubai (love the culture) and heard nothing but good things about Falcon. I have tried calling Mr Sanchez but i keep missing him. The assistant who answered most of my questions (very nice individual) on the phone advised me to get my type rating. I scheduled a class date for january at flight safety for the 1900 and am putting all my cards in one basket so that i can work at falcon. Would you suggest this? I am also thinking about flying to dubai just so i can talk and meet mr sanchez and put a face on that resume. Any help would be appreciated.

thank you
and eid-mubarak

hi , could you tell me what is the cost of the type rating at flight safety by any chance .
nosirrah , Does S.Sanchez normally take a long time replying to e-mails or would it be worth calling (the cost from here is horrendous ) .
cheers .

I would be happy to answer any questions. I spoke to a rep from Flight Safety and he told me that a type rating would cost approximately US$ 4400. The training is out of New Jersey. Additionally, room and board is not included so i figured out to be $6000 total. I look at it as an investment into my future,..just like getting a MBA. If you need any additional info, please feel free to email me.

How do you like flying out of Africa? It must be exciting.

aa

hey forum N,

Best of luck in the job hunt out here, yea like i said it's a good idea to come and meet in person as well ....your time looks fairly competitive, incidentally, how did you build it up, instructing?charter???
4400$ , wow :eek: , are you sure it's not 14,400$ for the type???? at flight safety?I would check that again and make sure it is the type they're giving for that price...
Perceval, sorry again , have never corresponded to him by email , would not know....
regards,

:)

Thanks for the info Nossirah. I checked with Flight Safety and they mentioned that it costs $4400. I will double check it. I have a checkride scheduled with them in january. I really want to live in Dubai and fly for Falcon. I had couple students from emirates and they spoke highly of them. I used to fly for a night cargo operation in california where i built majority of my time. I work as a flight instructor now at US Air Force Academy training future fighter pilots. I am planning on giving Mr Sanchez a call next week. Do you know if they have many people in their pool or do they hire based on each person leaving or advancing. I am also planning on coming to dubai next month. Would you recommend showing up without scheduling an appointment (sometimes it looks bad).

hey forum n,

when u do get in touch with Our Ops Director, you can always tell him that you're quite interested in the job and intend to meet him in person when you fly down here...also do let him know of your past night cargo experience and current job...I would think that exudes enthusiasm for the job and should get a positive reply from him.
Besides, you never know who's reading these posts and he could be anticipating your call when you talk to him (a wild guess) .;)

I have heard that we do have a lot of candidates interested in getting employment with falcon , how we employ is something I am unaware of , that's upto the chief pilot and ops.director.

Thanks for the info nossirah and perceval. I am definitely going to give Mr Sanchez a call and try to schedule an appointment. I hope that i can return the favor to you guys someday and if you are ever in san francisco, send me a message.

Perceval, i know people in new jersey where flight safety does its training and you can always stay at their place. They are a bunch of students with an open door policy. They dont mind. It will help to reduce the cost if you are interested.

Forum N , thanks a lot for all that .I guess the cost at FS in not as bad as i thought i would be .I guess it is the cost sharing with another trainee .I'll get intouch if I need to meet you out there .And Yeah flying around east africa has been very exciting , diverse , fun ... Will definitely never forget it .
Still no reply from mr sanchez (sniff) so I might try callin him as well after new year .
Merry Xmas and Happy new year to you all .

With regard to B1900
Any one know the requirements for a command.

And anyone know the respective Command/F.O Salarys

Cheers

OK, all of u guys who are unsure about Falcon,

The Chief Pilot is actually a very good friend of mine. From a totally outside perspective, US commuter CRJ pilot, having lived there in the ME, I can say that, if there is any foreign 1900 operator, specially in the ME - Africa area, worth flying for, then it has to be Falcon, hands down.

A good friend of mine, 1900 Capt., is tired of the 1900 commuter stuff he has to put up with in the US, and wants to go there and does not mind starting out again as a FO.

Moreover, the pay is good and you end up saving up most of it anyway, because of the no-tax status, free housing, low cost of living, etc..

Good luck u guys, hope it works out for the better.

Hi everybody,

I've read with great interest all the replies regarding FECA, all I know is that it is very difficult to find the "perfect" airline, you always have some positive and negative aspect ...
Anyway, I would like to apply with FECA but is it true that they are not recruiting pilots above 30 years old, I am 35 ... but I have 3000 hours on BE-1900 ... any info would be appreciated.

Thank you.

I believe that the salary is around 30,000 USD for an F/O, but do the company pay for accommodation, flights home, residency/work permit related costs etc?

Also any news on the ATR?

Any comments appreciated.

Cheers

haselled

Salary is $29K + about $3K per diem.
Medical coverage is provided for. That's about it.
You'll have to find your own accomodation, which will easily take up to a third of your salary. And that's not even going upmarket.

As for the ATR.......who knows.

Thanks JustFlyin',

Appreciate your feedback. A couple of other things, what sort of roster do you guys fly? Is it a 5 on 2 off type, or 6 on 4 off or does it vary month on month? I'm guessing with night freight, you would need some sort of consistency to keep the body clock in some kind of order.

Also, when is the best day to catch Steve Sanchez in the office and at what time?

Cheers

haselled

Fatigue and bodyclock are two word that do not excist in the Falcon Express dictionary.
There is no fixed roster in that company. Besides, it changes about 10 times a month anyway.

Goodluck trying to get a hold of Steve Sanchez. I'd say best time to try is between 11AM and 4 PM local. (UTC+4) Except Fridays and Saturdays

Hello,

If anyone can tell me about the status at Falcon, if they are hiring or not. What are the average hours of a new FO at Falcon?

From what I have heard, they have taken on a couple of new guys recently. They have a wide choice of pilots to pick from at the moment.
Minimum requirements used to be 500-600hrs total with about 200 multi and a B1900 type. These days, a couple thousand hours would be competitive with time on type being a plus.

This very informative Press Release regarding FECA has just been brought to my attention! Just brilliant...

........

Edited to protect the whereabouts of the Information Minister as he is still on the run.

TK

aah forget it mate, nothing happening, they might be taking a few guys, but no rating, no job :mad:

hey tonto,
that's quite a funny link but seriously though , in reply to the original post , yes we have hired some guys out here at FECA and we're supposed to get another 1900 very soon ....

how's your flying out there in CX , man hope things get back to normal soon , beacause as you very well know in aviation, we all benefit if aviation as a whole's doing good, so best of luck out there.

skaz, you're right too, with the present employment scene around the world, it's a pick and choose time for FECA and I heard we're being flooded with CV's , good news is we're flying more and new routes too and aircraft getting spruced up tooooo...so hell ,can't complain , still enjoying it:O

Nosirrah,

I know Falcon cannot offer type ratings at present. Do you know if this is likely to change at all i.e. provide type ratings for those prepared to fund them themselves?

The reason I ask is that it is impossble to get this rating at present without forking something like £8500 sterling in Denmark. Although I believe restrictions in the US are being loosened soon.

Cheers

haselled

P.S. When was the last UAE based pilot taken on, or is all recruitment now external?

From your last post hasselled I hope "Those prepared to fund themselves" is with regard to the payment of your rating, however if you are still inclined to offer your services for free as you have indicated before then why don't you complete an Instructors rating and join an AEROCLUB. It's a great way to build hours and it is the path that many professional pilots have taken in the past. Once you have built up some hours and experience then try sending that c.v out, who knows you might be offering prospective employers something else instead of free labour. Just an idea !!

nosirrah good for you mate, always great when the co. expands and flies new routes etc

Me? I just dont like being lied to and fed bullshit, from management, ANY management.

Tunnelvision

Thanks for that illuminating piece of advice. However, my question about Falcon's future ability to provide a type rating still stands...

Haselled, you're absolutely right , we don't offer type ratings out here at present , but that'as to the best of my knowledge.....

Is it going to change ??? , last time I spoke to one of our training captains regarding this he said this is definitely something they're considering , as for time frame .....no idea.. but I've heard this for a long time now and to really play it safe you'll have to get your own type rating......:ugh:
Our last hire was a UAE based pilot who had the type rating done in 2001 and had been waiting out here for the job, luckily he had another job out here(non-flying) and the company called him one day b'cos they needed an F/O trained up quick.....lucky I guess....

Well taht's about it folks and best of luck to everyone...... :rolleyes:

That sounds just like Falcon....

They know for weeks in advance that they need a pilot and then leave it until the very last moment to hire someone.
And when they finally do hire someone, that person doesn't even meet the minimum requirments set out by the company!
No offence to the new hire, he's just out trying to get a job, but it is yet another example of how well things are run at Falcon.:ok: :ok: :ok:

Not to sound too condensending (good college word) but i am holding out on my type rating till i here anything from Falcon. Luckily, i could afford a type rating and all i need is the word and i would do it at FSI. My wife has a good job so i think i can live off her money for the type. Plus she owes me.

So i am holding off on the type but am i doomed cuz i dont have it.

Are you Falcon boys operating the ATR yourselfs yet, or is it still on wet lease from Farnair??

Status = Normal, what's the problem here? :O

G'day!
I hold Be190 type rating with 500h, FAA ATPL
3300 hrs+.
Where should I send an application for falcon ?
Thx to anyone .:D !

max6462,

check your PM.

Concordino:cool:

I know of a couple of blokes who have gone to Falcon recently, both have 100's of hours on the B1900 and their TT was around 1800 and 3000 ish respectively.....

I see Falson Express is advertising for crews again --- must be willing to fly into Iraq.

Have the moral/ pay issues been solved at Falcon Express or or crews leaving by the dozen hence the ads.

I heard that they offer the crew dhs500 per flight to Iraq, seems not that much to me, but he, there are always some desparados around......
They looking for a new Chief Pilot as well ............

Haven't heard anything about new pilots so far...There are rumours about new aircraft but these have been going on for months and months. Just out of curiosity where did FECA advertise?

yeah where do they advertise

I believe they are looking for new pilots. Even heard they may bring in direct entry capts. which is sure to stir up a few flames.

Forgot to mention, still no chief pilot been formally announced. Apparently only 2 guys in the running unless outsiders have been called up (but no formal interviews that I know of).

Of the 2 selections that I know of, I must add that I think I know which one of those the majority of the pilots, engineers, dispatchers and office staff would prefer to see in the position and would prefer to deal with. (hint: hes the one who knows hes NOT CANADAIAN)

So starts the bashing...

I think it may have been skyjobs.net but I did not pay too much attention to it, it was a week or two back.

There are indeed two inhouse guys that are running to be the new Chief pilot. Who's going to be the lucky guy....Don't have a clue. Direct entry captains...well I heard they talked about that I think the majority of the F/O's will be F:mad:cking pissed off about that......

At this time we have 2 or 3 guys that might be upgraded which should be enough for the near future. There are rumours about a F27 and a "new" B1900 B model :(

I heard the 1900B was being bought for Falcons most important destination.............THE BARRACUDA!

Putting Candidate number 2 (The Man of the Maple Leaf) in the Chief Pilot's slot would be like throwing razor blades at a baby: Ill-advised, criminally neglegent (allegedly) and all around a bad idea.

So expect it to happen!

:}

Well the only thing a 1900B is good for is 6,7 and 3/4 lines...Doesn't make sense imho.


Anyway our most important destination is not Barracuda but Bermuda with a 7 day layover :cool: If i'm wrong about that please enlight me FM b/c I didn't get it it's still hard to think after that great party last week.

Just heard Mustafa is the new Chief pilot

uugh thats all we need.

but hardly surprising, heard the kiwi had a meeting with our texan leader the other day and turned down the position.

the only thing i can say to the rumour re our canadian wannabe is...i used to have a little faith in him but since capt. ZAIR moved on to greener pastures all respect has gone. infact after all the moaning about capt. ZAIR in comparison to this munkay he wasnt too bad.

i expect morale to hit top of descent very soon

medoorf, I hear ya.

About time someone spoke up on this matter :ok:

The talk on magnum seems to be about only one thing recently. The topic of "oh please anyone but him". I hope someone from management hears our cries and pokes their nose into how little he actually acomplishes and how little he is respected.
It would be great to have someone fill the position who is approachable and easy to discuss our concerns with, both company and aviation in general.

Good Luck to us all

Coastrider26 - the party the other night was a cracker.

was great to see nearly all the guys in the company together in one place (even those who just happened to show up unexpectedly)

all the best to our late departed ozzy, have fun with the brizzy hosties...you lucky lucky ba:mad:rd

The party definitely was a blast, to bad I was tired from the night before,but still one of the best parties. Only one thing got screwed up it's a girl in bikini that makes the suprise visit :D not.(you know who) We might have to work on that for the new parties in the visit. I think we need some extra practice parties to get that right. Let's start by having every FNG throw a party at the cellar.


Would be nice if we had some information from management on how we are doing at the moment to give us some ease of minds and give us headsup.The latest choice to go with F27 just scares the shit out of me. Comparing it to Farnair's F27.


At least we have lots of sun and beaches :cool:

If you guys don't want the Canindian taking up the Chief Pilots' position, maybe you should complain to management, and not on this forum here.

Anyways, even if the other candidate in the running would get the position, it would not make the slightest difference.
Any changes or decisions will still have to be approved by your (as someone said earlier) great Texan cowboy.
I am just glad that I am no longer under the rule of this totalitarian (n:mad: zi????) regime.

All I can say to you guys is bend over and take it in the you know what....and hope something better comes along before you can no longer walk:ugh: :ugh:

Sally Girl? Not a name inspired by some of the bluest eyes and biggest boobs in Dubai, is it?:hmm:

If it is, I think I might just know who you are......................

Captain/First Officer 2/18/2004

Company: Cargo Airlines Product/Service: Express Courier
Location: Dubai, UAE Required Travel: Part of the Job
Job Type: Full-time Employment Type: Either

Description:
Normal duties and responsibilities required of a P.I.C. or S.I.C. on either F27-500 or B1900C/D No objection to operating into Iraq airspace and airfields.

Requirements:
Captain: 2500hrs. total time/500 hrs. on-type. First Officer: 750hrs. total time/300 Multi-Engine/Type required-F27-500/Type preferred-B1900C/D.

Company Benefits:
30 days leave per year with return airfare. Full medical insurance-World Wide. Company provided Life insurance on/off the job. Company provided uniforms. Company provided Licence and initial medical. Per Diem for all flights. Offset allowance for Iraq operations. Expediant upgrade and management opportunities.

Thanks for the info everyone. I have a couple of questions for you guys and gals.

What is the name of the new chief pilot?

Are they really picky when it comes to time on type or having a type rating for a first officer? I have the hourly requirements but not a type rating...should I bother applying?

Thanks for any info/help. All the best.

Cheers

I have around 1200 hours total time but not 300 hrs multi and not a type rating. I do, however, have a UAE CPL/IR together with a JAA frozen ATPL/IR and am based in the UAE?

Any chance?

Falcon hardly does any type ratings on their own. Occasionally they did a type rating for direct entry captains (I don't know if it is true or not).

This is the reason why they are asking for a 1900 Type. The 300 hrs multi is never lowered by my knowledge. The only way to find this out is to call the office. LT= UTC-4 hrs, offices will be clossed on wednesday/thursday as that is the local weekend.

To know if you make a change is to call them. People that are doing the hiring: Bevan Dods, Mustaf Ali, Steven Sanchez. Any of these people can tell you what the current requirements are.

Good luck

P.s. No gals at Falcon :(

Should that not be UTC+4 hours for local time?

Cheers

coastrider26
what is the average f/o pay on the 1900 ? and how many hours/month are flown?

cheers

C

Oops aerogull, you're totally right it's UTC+4 hrs...

concordino
We fly on average around 70 hours might be a bit more might be a bit less. This is the same for captains and fo's. New pilots must be willing to fly into Iraq.

These iraq flight are around 9 hours block time so you can imagine if you have 4 of these flights how the rest of the monthly schedule would look like at the moment. Falcon is looking for new pilots and forcing them to go to Iraq so this might change in the future but so far all the Iraq guys had a pretty good schedule.

An F/O earns about Dhs 10.000,- a month including per diem, transport and housing. Which is around US$ 2.500,- this includes medical coverage as well.

If you want to know something else about the flying please feel free to ask.

As far as requirements I know they used to have as a bare minimum 300 hours multi engine and a 1900C/D type. I don't know the exact numbers as I try to stay away from the office as much as possible.

Coastrider26,
please check your PM.

Thanks
C

Concordino,

Just did, the response is in your mailbox

Hi Coastrider,

check your mailbox !:)
C

Hey Boys,
Whose up for a run to Barracuda?I have had enough of San Mig!!
Cheers FM

For all the Falcon wannabees.

I'm not an office pilot but a plain simple line pilot. I don't mind responding questions about falcon, employment terms or whatever. But since I got a lot of PM's about Falcon I think it might be easier to clear up the most asked questions

Salary:

First officer +/- 10.000 Dhs
Captain +/- 15.000 Dhs
The UAE does not have a tax on your salary.

30 days off p/a

Route network

Dubai, Bahrain, Doha, Kuwait, Talil, Al Asad, Bagdad, Kirkuk, Rijadh en Jeddah.

Dubai is defintely the pearl of the middle east, nice apartments and party scene, booze...

People who are doing the recruiting (alphabetically)
Mustafa Ali (chief pilot)
Bevan Dods (Senior check and training captain)
Steven Sanchez (Director of operations)

If you send them an email recruitment@<hidden>(not sure on that address) and they don't answer..keep in might something might have wrong or the mail got lost.

The best thing is give those guys a call. I'm more then sure they'll be happy to talk to them. In regard to the previous posts they won't harras you on the interview. It's really relaxed and all they want to know what kind of person you are and if you fit in.

As far as putting CV's on top...Standard fee US$ 500,-. That's if I ever find out where they keep them:D

I'm more then happy to answer all the other questions, hope this helps you guys out a bit.

Hope you'll be the FNG, that's Falcon New Guy, but we call it
F
Coastrider 26:mad: cking New Guy

Hey Flying mechanic,


Do they sell Corona or Grolsch at the barracuda or hole in the wall. Because I need to have some desperately :cool:

Coastrider

Ps your PM mailbox is full

Coastrider no problem, i can have them shipped to you from the west. Standard fee applies ;)

OD,

Was that with the standard (falcon) crew discount?

Hey Coaster!
You can get Grolsch, Corona from the hole in the wall......plus for dutch dudes ORANGEBOOM. Even more variety available from Barracuda!!When u want to head up there?I am up for visit.

Happy drinking,
FM:ok:

I take it flying mechanic just took my business away.

As for the fee, standard falcon fees apply.

I've been thinking about throwing my hat in the ring for a while, but not sure how safe it is for the little lady.
Do many of the lads have partners with them over there, or is it mainly a bachelors pad.
What are the rules for females being employeed over there? The misses is a teacher if that helps.

Cheers in advance

Its probably 50/50 with regard to partners.Plenty of schools here for expats , so I would imagine your good lady would be able to find a job no worries.
Dubai is very safe place to live and a great life style to be had by all , and people are very social aswell.
All the best,
FM

Hey Coaster, i just bought a car, you want to do a run up to the Barra?

I've to agree Dubai is totally save for women no gurka's or other kind of local dressing required. I think it shouldn't be to hard for your mrs to get a job.

But Dubai might be dangerous place for husbands (lots and lots of shops)..Like FM says it's 50/50 bachelors/relationships.

I'll give you a call FM bout the Baracuda need to do some tourist things first.

Did somebody could give me the tel for Mustafa Ali or Steven Sanchez. I would like to work for this company. I have 3500 hours on fk50 including 1500h as line training Captain.
Thanks.:ok: :cool:

TriTar as you might know the F27 & F50 typeratings are not the same it will take the local authorities not much to deny your validation. Secondly Read the old stories about falcon and keep in mind the F27 is an old old bird that climbs like a rock.....atleast more then 300FPM Think about the last couple of days in Iraq because that's where you are going.

If you still want to join Falcon Tel +(971)042826886

Dumping :mad: Cargo where nobody else dumps :mad: cargo

ppruners,
does someone know if feca is still hiring?
Someone got a job?
Any info welcomed...
cheers.

People are leaving in the next month. So far bout 4 pilots leaving. So I guess they'd start hiring once again.

Whats the situation regarding the ATR, im not sure but have Falcon got one operating ? and if so whats the deal with crews for this a/c,is it on a wet/dry lease, are the crews from internal promotions ?

The ATR is gone.To replace it they wet leased a F27 from Farnair.The company has just bought its own F27 which will used mainly on Iraq flights.Also they have started using a AN12 for the Baghdad runs, and the 1900's now do Talil, Al arsard , Balad and Kirkuk.Not sure how much longer the Farnair F27 will be around.

Hope that helps.
Cheers FM

Do falcon still require new hire Beech drivers to get type rated?

If so i found another place to do the type rating. it is in the US and its about US$7000. I dont have the link right now but if you search for Flight Training International. It seems that they use United Airlines Sims, so I dont know whos 1900 sim they use, I guess they have their own!

PM me if you cant find it and Ill dig up the link....

I'm in Dubai visiting right now till the end of the month, wondered if anyone worked for them, or knew if they were hiring at this time..
Any help is appreciated...
thanx
:)

theyve just hired a bunch of guys recently and expected to do more ..... why dont you give them a call to find out??? Chief Pilot is Mustafa on 04-2826886.....
:ok: Best of luck....

I spoke to him, and he said I'd need 300+ multi time and a Beech 1900 type rating... so *sigh* sadly I don't meet those requirments...
the joys of being a low time pilot :)
the search goes on!

Gday fellas,

just a quick one in regards to Falcon ex.
anyone know if theyre currently hiring, and what theyre minimums are?

Do you need to have a tyoe rating on the B1900?

is it true theyre getting ATR72?

Cheers!

It depends on your background, if you have some multi time they will do the type for you, if not, you have to get a 1900 type. They don't have the ATR anymore it was a bit of a debacle that exercise. No hires have to fly to Iraq.

I mean, NEW hires have to fly to Iraq

Hiring is a "ongoing process" at Falcon my best bet is that they have atleast 15 guys on file at the moment. ATR is gone for bout a year now and is replaced by a Fokker F-27 so far no gossip bout a ATR72.

Have to agree with propje on the min on the hiring policy

Beware! This outfit is run by a couple of cowboys who didn't even understand the implications of the ATR performance criteria for the entire period that it was with them. Hence the cooked engines and return to lessor.

Well that's not entirely true. The PAKI is gone to a better job, he's now an inspector with GCAA i heard.....

Great party last night at G-mans and B Dogs flat warming!!

G-man that new bar is sensational!!

Cheers FM.

Any contact details pls. cheers !

hey flying spanner and coast watcher,

are they still paying the 500 dirams per flight into iraq? or is most the flying going out to that russian mob, and whos house warming?:ok:

Yep still paying the HUGE 500 DHS to go IRAQ!

The AN12 gets used on regular basis and a IL76 when the loads get really big.The F27 went up to Balad last week aswell.

Cheers FM

The HUGE dhs 500,- per flight paid for my swimming pool :E

Ah, G-man and B-Dog's housewarming..... I would have given my left nut to have gone to that one.

Hopefully it was on par (or better) than big bad Walkerhoss' & mine just on one year ago. How time flies.

If you're reading this post boys expect a visit from this little pornstar in March or April next year. Dubai and I have unfinished business........

Cyclone's, anyone? :ooh:

2dads

Hi,

I was interested in finding out what pay and work conditions are like for Beech 1900 Captains and F/o.

How do you get paid US$ or Dirham, how about medical etc.
Also type of aircraft other than beech 1900 and F27. Once you work for the company can you move between types?

Any info greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

208

Would those be (or have been) 9L-LEC and S9-DAE?

Hey fellas, i would like to know if theres a chance to join falcon without having to fly to iraq (i dont really need those 500 DIRHAMS!!!!!) i heard there is some sort of death warrent you have to sign inorder to get recruited with falcon. How true is that and any info is apprecated

All new hires to Falcon(Captain or F/O) must sign up for Iraq.Later on you reserve the right to pull out from flying in there.

Interesting to see that everone is concerned about flying into Iraq.What about the Kingdom were Falcon has 2 destinations (Jeddah and Riyadh), one were you stay in the hotel all day and the other only a few hours, these places are more dangerous then Iraq, read the newspaper, French guy killed (shot in a shoppingmall)and Britsh guy shot............a few weeks ago.

Propje you should know not everything in this region is told in the news!

(according to internal gossip)
One of the FECA planes was actually on a US base when couple of hundred feet away a mortar attack was conducted on that same base.


:ok:

Rumor about attack confirmed.

2 weeks ago, at taqaddum. (sorry if spelling is wrong)
The crew could hear the distinct whitsling sound when the mortars were inbound.

freightdog81
check your pm

Heard the same story in the office at Al taqqequem or just in easy words Falujah... But the crew got 1.000 dhs extra I heard still not enough to go into that place.

Last time I was there two CH46 (USMC) landed and unloaded black bags... Not a summer holiday destination. One of these pilots was there with me as well.

No way could you do better than Kenny's "bar and grill " of the mid and late 90's:O :ok:

Dear, flying mechanic, and coast rider26

I take it from both of ur replies that you fly with FECA. I have no idea if u guys r captains or F/O's but what i would like to get is a NO BS assesment of the situation in Iraq. I know that FECA flies to destenations to Iraq such as taqadam, and bald. I am about to join FECA as 1 of its crew and this issue is really concerning me,as i was told that i wont be able to sign the contract unless i agree to fly into these GREAT destenations. Plz answer me back asap and let me kow before i sign up with this great airlne!!!!!!!!!

Stonecold check your PM

Stonecold,

Did you have a Beech 1900 type rating when applying?

1900 rating is required in 99.95% of the new hires, excluded in very rare instances are people who allready worked at Falcon for years.

Hey, does Falcon Operate out of Dubai international, on the GA apron somewhere?

Cheers

Aircraft are parked at E ramp (E18 etc...)

Anyone in the knows of current recruitment policy, do they need new hires soon?

cheers

not on a really short notice but get you resume in and give them a call the weather here is much nicer in winter then in holland

Thanks for the info. My cv should already be on file and I will call them every now and then.
It's getting cold here and am eager to move.

cheers

Who's Kenny??:cool: :ok:

I have called their Chief pilot, I can not remember his name really, I think he was a pakistani with an american acent. He informed me that, I need to get a B1900 type rating even if I hold x amount of hours on a light twin.

I have seen the B1900 in Bahrain, I think it was there for a pretty long time. And it looked like a scrap aircraft!!!

accent...sorry for the mis-spelling in the previous post.

hello every1 at falcon,
i hold australian CPL/MECIR with 35 hours dual twin time on seminole and im thinking of going to america to do eaglejet FO program and get Beech1900D type rating and 500 second in command hours, and obviously i would be paying for this ..like sort of buying the time...what are the chances of me gettin employed by falcon after that?

Superman 32.

The plane you think you saw in Bahrain has not been sitting there for a long time. As you might guess CARGO airlines fly at night and Bahrain is one of our layovers. So you might have seen several planes at the blob area in Bahrain. But it's true the planes need a paint job, other than that maintenance is not to bad at Falcon.

Cirrus81

Nothing wrong with your plan but you do require a 1900 PIC rating the local authorities are not to happy with 121.SIC checkrides because it is not printed on the license. But give Falcon a call might have changed by now

coastrider26 thanx for the reply. but can u tell me if those 500 hours r acceptable by falcon as the experience of 300 multi?
and if i do this program and get a PIC rating of beech as well do i meet their minimum requirements or do i still have to do 300 multi PIC?

First time I hear something about 300 Multi PIC but it is possible I guess. Not sure what to tell you bout the minimums at this time.

Some guys have lots of time some not pretty hard to tell you what they require right now.

coastrider,
good to see you're helping guys as usual...keep up the good work man and the pilot who worked out with you in the gym at ORTL is doing OK;) right now , trying to jump thru the hoops.....give my salaams to all .....
masalamiiii

Are you still wearing those cool ski goggles when you fly?:ok:

Good to hear he's doing well. Because he's a rather bad ATCO hehehe.
Anyway dude check your PM

flying mech,
those were not ski goggles, those were X/ray glasses....didnt u notice the constant smile on my face as I checked u out:ok:

it's the snake in the grass....the sniper....

take care guys , have fun.

TryHere (www.fti737.com) for the 1900 type. seems about the cheapest available and several grand cheaper than Flight Safety....

B.

Just a quick question......

The website in the link above (for the 1900D) gives you an FAA type rating. What is the case if you do not have an FAA licence? I have a Canadian licence, so I wonder about the compatability of the two different standards?

I am assuming that companies like FECA require a min number of multi hours anyway? Do they accept any ICAO licence? Having read up a bit on the company, I am still at a loss as to how you make that "first contact" since I am assuming many pilots will be applying from overseas and not in person? (mighty expensive to get on a plane to DXB and just to show up no?)

Hey all,
thanks for everyones help on here so far, but another question in regards to FECA.

Do any of you know Pilots that have gone out and got their B1900 rating, and then been unsuccessful at FECA?

Is there more likelyhood of being hired if you go see them in person.

How often do they hire?

Thanks again everyone!

Aussie

Aussie,

I haven't heard recently that anybody with a 1900 rating was not hired after the interview but it is a possibility I guess. All I know about it is that one of the F/O's got fired after being here for 2 months I think. Guess he had kind of an attitude problem since nobody wanted to fly with him. I must say it can take up to a year before they'll actually hire you depending on "movement" in the flying corps. I think the average hiring rate at the moment is one pilot a month (this includes capts)

Finals 19,

Kinda weird attitude if you do not want to pay for a ticket for an interview which will give you loads turboprop hours on a reasonable salary with a company that is not going to be bankrupt any time soon. Guess all the guys that pay for their ticket for Cathay interviews etc are just a bunch of suckers. Luckily for you they will do the hiring over the phone if you live overseas.

Yep buy a ticket and jump on the plane, its money well spent, you will stand a lot better chance of being hired if your in Dubai.

It was good to see all last night at the Cellar Bar enjoying the free beer!where were you Coastrider?

Looking fwd to the next one!

Cheers FM

CoastRider26

I think you mis-understood what I was trying to say. I would not be at all adverse to making the relatively minimal investment to go out to DXB in person, it was just that I had no idea how the system worked and was curious as to how people made first contact. If its far more preferable to show up, then that is cool, and thanks for the heads-up on that. No criticism aimed at anyone.

:ok:

Coastal26,

I will be emailing Falcon my resume tonight, but i have a few questions that maybe you can help me with.

I got just on 1500TT with 300 multi command so it looks like i meet their experiance requirements....I hope.

I am more than happy to travel to Dubai for an interview with the Chief Pilot. Is it a requirement/helpfull to have a 1900 endorsement before you go into the interview. Or, are they happy for you to wait till u have a conditional job offer, or at least in the queue.

What progression is there to a command, can you get a command with less than 500 ME command on the 1900 or are you stuck as a F/O for life.

I have an Aussie Commercial, is that acceptable or do you need an FAA Commercial + IFR. What licence to you fly uder, do you have to do some typme of conversion to a UAE licence of sorts.

Whats the money like.

Cheers.

Ok guys,

One of the minimum requirements is that you HAVE an ICAO 1900 rating. Doesn't matter if it's aussie, american, canadian or wherever as long as it is a 1900 PIC rating. They can convert the license here in Dubai. If you do not have a 1900 rating you're basically worthless as far as these guys are considered sounds hard but I GUESS?!? that's the bottom line. They've done one or two typeratings in the past but there are no people in the company at pressent that can do it.

Mail/Fax/email your resume to Falcon they will not send any confirmation that they got it (atleast not in my case and some others) Call Mustafa Ali (chief pilot) ask if he got it. Expect a phone call from him and/or Steven Sanchez about a week before you go online. Simple straight forward no tricky things just looking what kind of person they're gonna hire.

If you are in Dubai and you get the change (difficult) to get an appointment and get to the offices which are in secured area of the airport unfortunately for you guys. I think it would definitely help (but this is a personal opinion I'm not management or office material).

Other than that stay in touch with falcon as thing might go rapid....you'll never know.

Bit of a long story but I hope you guys got an insight on how Falcon works. If somebody else experienced different it might be nice to share it with the wannabees.

Any questions/comments are ofcourse more than Welcome

Coastrider

Finals 19

Check your PM

Coastrider,

Your information is much appreciated. I was considering going to Dubai for a walk inn. But as you said that if their offices are secured nowI think it would be a great risk to buy an airline ticket for that. I will definetely stay in touch via the phone and if there's an opportunity I am certainly willing to visit.
I have a B1900 type on my FAA ATP with about 930 in command so I guess that wouldn't be the problem.

Cheers!

Nah wouldn't be a problem they know the Dutch are the best pilots :D

Veel succes

Thanks you to cosat for the PM, much appeciated. Will give them a call in a week or so.

Just concerned about the level of recruiting, from another thread I have seen they are taking about 1 guy a month, while others say nothing much is happening at all. 6K US is a fairly big gamble without a firm offer. Just wondering how many type rated guys are knocking on their door?

Just curious, can you get a PIC type rating on a 1900 without holding an ATP/ATPL.

Aren't FECA still flying into Iraq? I can't believe there are still guys willing to put their butt on the line for this company, sure the pay is ok, but you can't spend it "upstairs"! Is a few hours in a turbine really worth the risk?

I have heard the stories from a couple of current and ex-FECA pilots, and to me it sounds plain scary at the moment. The only guys that seem to be sticking around are the guys that don't have to do the Iraq trips. Things aren't much better at the rest of your stops in Saudi either from what I've been told.

Ozgrade3, yes you can get a command rating without actually holding the ATPL (in Aus anyway). Why not get your ATPL? Is it just the hours you are waiting on, or the subjects?

@<hidden> Coast,

I will do my best.

Bedankt

Get your full ATPL done before you rock up here to Dubai, or later on when you upgrade to Captain at you will have to do the local ATPL exam.

Yes FECA is still flying into Iraq, more trips are being done in the AN12, IL76 as the loads are so big .

Cheers FM

Uh-oh... (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/la-fg-bout14dec14,0,7904809.story?coll=la-home-headlines)

Victor Lebedev, Air Bas' general manager, was identified two years ago by U.S. officials as a Bout operative. He confirmed in an interview that his firm's planes had flown into Balad four times in October, carrying supplies for KBR, the Halliburton subsidiary.

Halliburton spokeswoman Wendy Hall said KBR had hired Falcon Express Cargo, a Dubai-based freight company. Falcon, in turn, subcontracted with Air Bas to haul the KBR cargo, Hall said. She said KBR is no longer using Falcon.

"KBR had no knowledge of a relationship between Falcon and Air Bas, and if we had known, we would have terminated the contract," she said.

Typical Falcon....as long as the Cargo is on time and we get our money.

Till now nobody in Falcon was informed about this:( just shows how much they care about their......cr i mean $$$

Good stuff...
I wasn't expecting anything like a nice and clear picture of what the deals for cargo to Irak were.
Sometimes I'd like to know who exactly I am flying for . Or maybe not...
:yuk: :suspect:

Can't think of words to describe this:(

Well, it is not very hard to see the Russian connection here now is it...........


For the simple minds amongst us:


do the words Cyclone and DOFO ring a bell?:ouch:

I have just been informed that all the new hires have to watch
Air America during the basic indoc to get a good view of the operation

Freightdog81

Boldy dropping of cargo where nobody dropped cargo before

Well well.....fedex expects FECA management to have standards......what a joke!!


FedEx spokeswoman Sandra Munoz said the company expected Falcon to "stick to the same standards we do," investigating subcontractors' safety records and operating authority. "We believe our procedures are still very solid procedures."

In a matter of fact, FECA's standards are much much higher than Fed-Ex and their management staff and seniors are much more professional.

Now as far as FECA's Iraq flights.....those flight are continuously monitored and assessed by line managers and senior staff to maintian acceptable levels of risk. Flying is risky business anyways even if you are flying into state of the art airports and the most peaceful territories. Flying into Iraq is higer risk but also increased profit. One thing compensates for the other and thats what corporate business is all about. Going into business is always with one goal and that is to stay into business. Staying into business requires money which will always expalins risk taking.

I've never blamed other pilots for not comprehending the idea of risk and business coz pilots' worlds always revolved around the rush of flying and compensation for capturing this rush. Who would want a better a job?

Hmmmm...... now that is one interesting post of pure dribble.

ERAU,
I know when I was at FECA I often found myself saying "Gee, FedEx are a bunch of amateurs. Why couldn't they be as professional as OUR operation?"

I mean the facts speak for themselves. FedEx is an enormous organisation with hundreds of MD-11s, MD-10s, A300/310s, tens of thousands of staff and a global presence. Falcon has an F-27, 5 1900s and an alleged relationship with a questionable Antonov operator.

"I've never blamed other pilots for not comprehending the idea of risk and business coz pilots' worlds always revolved around the rush of flying and compensation for capturing this rush. Who would want a better a job?"

ERAU you are a patronising git. With an attitude like that you'll never get a better job.

Well,

2daddies I think Falcon is one of more professional outfits in it's playfield...Perhaps FedEx can take some lesson weapons transport 101 or so.

This so called playing field you talk of .... please elaborate or did I miss something during my tour of duty...

2dadies,

When is size and scope has anything to do with the way you manage your company? How is 100s of wide body jets influnce the way you go about doing things? Your point there is void and makes no sense. If you are trying to imply that corporate size may influence management performance then maybe Management 101 is something you should consider.

Falcon's Management at all levels is far more proefessional than Fed-Ex and they are highly trained. I also heard recently that they have a new highly qaulaified guy on board taking care of safety and security. If they were not as professional they would've not caught Fed-Ex's discrepancies on daily basis. Fed-Ex discrepancies may include:
1- wrong weight on packages (which affects CG)
2- Undeclared DG
3- Unproper packing of DG
4- Undeclared volumetric weights
and the list goes on

Tunnelvision,

Fed-Ex and Falcon are in 2 different businesses which seems similar but they are different in nature. Fed-Ex is a freight integrator thats been around since the 70s, which is double the time since Falcon was found. Fed-Ex utilizes the hub and spoke system in its operations bringing the loads into their Dubai hub and transferring it to Falcon for distribution in all the Persian Gulf states and Iraq. Falcon operates on one spoke of Fed-Ex's system using bulk loading and more efficient aircrfat for short flights. The transporting of Fed-Ex loads by Falcon is a major operation that determines cost structure for Fed-Ex in the middle east. So yes.....2 different playfields and Falcon masters the one its in. Also remember that Falcon is not small either coz its a part of a big group that consists of 8 diffeent companies under the same umbrella Falcon Express Inc. (FEI)

ERAU,
Once again, I refer you to my previous "patronising git" comment.

I'm a little uncertain how enhance the logic of my argument - I'll make it as simple as I can:

1)Corporate size DOES influence management performance.

2) Having hundreds of wide-body jets DOES influence the way things are done.

3) I can assure you that although FedEx DOES experience some discrepanies with their cargo (think about the sheer scale of what they do), Falcon would "catch" a lot less of them than you might think. And funnily enough, it is left up to THE PILOTS to do so.

4) Even when these "discrepancies" are caught, it always made me laugh how much pressure FECA management placed on PILOTS to take it anyway.

ERAU, Falcon Express is operated at a minimally efficient level in order to achieve the task it has been assigned. This is not a bad thing per se, but you'll forgive me for dissecting your blindly loyal and frankly baseless attempt to make FECA look like a jewel in the global air-cargo industry crown.

FECA has an F-27 and 5 1900s. If you cannot see the inanity of your own argument ("When is (sic) size and scope has (sic) anything to do with the way you manage your company?"), then I suspect Management 101 might be more appropriate for you.

Could not have said it better myself 2 Daddies

One thing I would like to add as that the only asset FECA has had is the pilot work force it has employed. During my tour of duty, I saw a bunch of guys who were professional, honest and willing to go the extra mile. If it wasn't for the past and present guys operating the flights under sometime very difficult conditions FECA's crises management model (which is how they operate 110% of the time) would be at a loss.

Now ERAU just remember there have been a number of guys flow through FECA over the years and most are grateful for the hour building and the good times had outside of WORK in Dubai (me being one of them). But may I add one thing, all of us that have been there know exactly what goes on...... so please stop your dribble....... or stories might start to flow.

Now I'm off back to Russia !! anyone coming with me..

P.S ERAU I think you will find the umbrella company you talk of is actually "Falcon Aviation Group" which is a combination of Falcon Express, Falcon Express Cargo Airlines (FECA) and Falcon Aviation Services. Main Office in Dubai "The Crown Plaza" but lets not forget the British Virgin Islands.......

ERAU15

Just admit it, you are either working in FECA admin. or FECA management.

You would do well in a communist regime, you sure talk the party line. For some advanced tips and techniques on being a yes-man and turning dirt into oil, please check out Squealer from 'Animal Farm'.

On a more serious note. I, to a degree, can see the business point of view you are trying to get across.
However it is the pilots who are at the pointy egde of the sword.
If it is true that the flights into Iraq are as profitable as you say, then why aren't the pilots looked after better!
And I am not just talking money here.

Talking about money. That annual bonus (if you can call it that).
Less than 1% of my annual salary when I was still around.
I hope that has improved since.


For the rest, I agree with 2daddies.
And yes, most of the time it is the pilots who catch most of the discrepancies, and there has been pressure from people higher up on the food chain to accept them anyway.
Well you know? treat the pilots the way they deserve to be treated, and you'll find that they are more willing to help the company out.


Happy new year everyone!



PS. If you don't want to read about pigs taking control, I suggest reading 'Lord of the Flies'. OOPS!! that has a pig in it too!

How on God's green Earth pilots always end up being the victim? that I struggle to understand

JustFlyin'

I fail to understand how is Pilots the pointy edge of the sword?
How better do you want pilots to be looked after?
For the love of God, come out of the pilot bitching, baby crying mode once in your life.

Pilots come to FECA averaging no more than 2 years of experience, lack basic training in CRM, and have no idea what SMS means. However, go back to the begining of this 5 page thread and see for yourself how many pilots want to join FECA. The company offers them good home for proper training, compensation, and building time. Not to mention invaluable experience. I say what they make and how they are treated is excellent for what they have to offer.

I can't deny that many gain expereince quickly after they join, but soon before they make any real contributions, they strive to leave for the jet. I also have to disagree with you that pilots catch most of the discrepancies. Thats just complete BS from brain damage.

Now for all of you attempting to even discuss business and management or how things are done, I want to ask if any of you was ever put in a managerial position that required decison making based on corporate politics? I don't think so.

Its easy to bitch and critisize like you know it all but when it comes down to capturing the universal lubricant, its a whole new ball game. It takes a special type of perosnality, knowledge, and experience to get things done in the favor of profits, which I'm pretty sure none responding to my posts comes close.

Now you can commence bitching.

Thats just complete BS from brain damage.

Would that be from the good treatment the pilots get at FECA?


How on God's green Earth pilots always end up being the victim? that I struggle to understand


I never said that pilots are the victim of anything here.
What I am saying here is that IT IS the pilots that are doing the actual flying into Iraq, hence the saying 'being at the pointy egde of the sword'.

Have you yourself gone into Iraq recently?
If so, how often? When?
Some of the things you say would carry a bit more weight if you have flown into Iraq.


I say what they make and how they are treated is excellent for what they have to offer.

Well, if you think that $2400.- a month is excellent, I am lost for words.
I am sure that most of the FECA wannabes are not aware that that is all they get. Just think, housing will take a BIG chunk out of that $2400.- I remember a time not long ago that it was/is nearly impossible to find any suitable candidates for a Captains position. You probably think money was not an issue there!?:ouch:
May I add that most pilots have an accumulated debt of $40.000,- to $50.000,- for their flight training? For the European pilots amongst you, that figure could be as high as $100.000,-
So with the banks knocking on their door, A job is better than NO job.
So pilots leaving within 2 years is not just because of that elusive jet-job, but certainly to go somewhere where the salary will at least pay the bills.
If you complain about inexperienced pilots, then be prepared to pay the price for experience.

Sometimes it would just be nice to get a thank you or a pat on the shoulder for a job well done. Not come back to a request (did I say request? I meant order) to come in to do another flight on short notice. Plans or no plans.
Or as someone in management once said:'If flying gets in the way of your social life, then look for another job'.

There has to be a reason for the low morale within the pilot core.
I'll let you figure out why.


PS. I never pretend to be a manager, or know how.
However I do know something about people skills and proper treatment of your co-workers.

PPS. But then again, I should konw better, it is the Middle East after all. Nothing will change

Well $ 2.400,- is not bad as a salary but with the high costs of training in europe (Way higher than $ 100,000.- or 150.000,-) and the loss of the dollar value over 25% makes the salary pretty low for a European.

$ 2,400.- = € 1,600.- keep in mind a garbage collector in Western Europe will make about € 1,500.- without any training costs. Hopefully dollar will start rising again.

Still happy to fly

ERAU15,

i get the feeling that you are management if not the CP himself, surely you cannot agree that the current compensation for flying into iraq is sufficent, is it still 500 dirams? i think you are comparing apples to pears, flying is generally dangerous blah blah and flying into iraq the risk is higher, no its a lot bloody higher! hmm let me think flying an ILS to minimas in sh!t conditions in say dubai or flying into iraq in cavok conditions, i know which one i would choose and any other professional pilot would choose, and to think that management does not put pressure on you is crazy talk. except for the iraq stuff and a more professional attitude shown by management, this could be a good company again.

Wow...Do people with more a few thousand hours AND a 1900 rating actually apply to work for a company paying 2400 US per month ? That money would be a bad joke even without Bush reducing the dollar to a 3rd world currency....I heard about Falcon only recently and was about to put in a CV....it can stay in my hard-drive...

Hey, what difference does it make where I work or what I do?
Lets stay focus on subject and maintain constructive criticism.

I have great respect for pilots and their knwoledge. I'm also very aware that it takes ass load of money for training and type ratings. However, the compensation in FECA is very decent comapred to the indutry's average. Management looks at it from a business prospective not coz they are evil people that want to give you less and squeez more out of you. Its a matter of demand and supply the reason why most of you take the the job coz you know if you don't, someone else will. Not to mention of course that most of you want that twin time specially in an aircraft with an approach speed similar to that of a jet.

I'm not saying compensation is great coz I know its expensive to live in Dubai, but the money will eventually come. If you stop thinking about money and think of how can you enhance what you have to offer then maybe things will look better to you and the company. Flying is the only career that people get into coz they love it even when the copensation is low. So keep loving it and the money will come to you.

I'm not defending FECA or saying they are the best there is, but it is a decent company with a lot to offer. I've lived, worked, and trained pilots for as long as I remember.......I'm just trying to make you look at things from a different prospective.

I hear Falcon will take you on with a frozen ATPL with min hours?

Anyone had any experience with these guys or know where to find them?

Cheers

Scott

Hi Scott,

Falcon is not a bad mob to work for, please check your PM

What type(s) of aircraft do they operate? F27?