Australian Flying Magazine

[QSK?]

Am I seeing things?

Have a look at the photo of the PA28 on the front cover of the latest Australian Flying mag and tell me that the oil filler cover on top of the engine cowling isn't open.

Looks like the pilot in question didn't complete his pre-flight checks properly?

Australian Flying probably needs to take more care as to what photos they use to promote their mag, or was it an exercise by them to test all of us to see how alert we all are?

I've passed, anway.

[Chimbu chuckles]

I am glad you reminded me...I purchased May/Junes Australian Flying and was stunned by a few techiques esposed in Phelans article on the P68C I was motivated to email Oz Flying and express my utter dismay!

Off to do same right now.

[NZLeardriver]

Any chance of someone posting the picture? Cant seem to find it online.

[DeltaSix]

NZLD - it's at www.isubscribe.com.au - a bit small though. Can't see the oil filler cover much. See how you go.



D6

[Pappy Boyington]

Also Check out the story on the Morrison brothers, 2 pictures clearly described as a "chieftan", when they are in fact pictures of the inside and outside of a "metro"!!

[shortandsmelly]

Oh good, then I wasn't seeing things... :uhoh:

[DeltaSix]

It's either a F#@K up in the editing or they think none of us read this every now and then.

I also thought that the latest issue of Flight Safety had a porn pics on the bottom left hand side of the front cover at first glance.

It even said " Are you getting enough ? "... I thought damn, I never thought sex would be a part of a avmed discussion.:} :}


D6

[Capt Fathom]

Have a look at the photo of the PA28 on the front cover of the latest Australian Flying mag and tell me that the oil filler cover on top of the engine cowling isn't open.

Looks like the pilot in question didn't complete his pre-flight checks properly?
Yes it is open and....does it really matter? Probably just a worn out spring that's popped open....that's life!

[locusthunter]

A "worn out spring" or a "worn out" pilot?

...or a 'worn out' editor?...did someone just say "a worn out magazine?"[

Hey folks, remember this is GA... "the aeroplane is just like that...it is just the way it is "

[pall]

I bought AF on the weekend. I looked and looked at those pictures on the Morrison article.

I thought:uhoh: when did a Cheiftain look like that?

Doesn't do much for the credibility of AF mag to do this sort of thing.

Hope they respond next issue with an explaination for the above and the front cover pic.

Has anyone emailed them?

[Super Cecil]

What a mob of whinging bastards, you lot need to get a life:(
If you don't like what you see, just don't buy it, that simple.
It's obvious you lot know what your talking about, what was the name of the mag you lot put out?
I find Aus Aviation a good read, the last page first usually.

[Avgas172]

Hear Hear CC, Probably a bit of the reason that if we don't get our act together in GA and support each other and aviation good times including Aust flying, we will all be flying 'glass sardine tubes with skidoo donks soon. Youse can all get stuffed, I find it very enjoyable as well as the yank version too! :E

[150Aerobat]

I remember a time when I could afford the yank version...

[NZLeardriver]

Thanks DeltaSix got it.

[pall]

It's not a matter of winging or nit picking. We are talking about a professional aviation magazine.

Don't we have the right to expect acceptable standards of professionalism for these journalists. After all, this is their vocation and the editor should maintain high standards to ensure information is accurate.

I am a nurse and I am sure you would expect me to give you accurate and reliable information about your condition, treatment and progress. Saying that you enjoy talking to me or like me as a person doesn't quite cut it does it? If I were to hurt you or harm you by messing up my job would be unacceptable.

As aviators we can also expect high standards of professionalism from aviation jounalists without being labelled as wingers, can we not?

[poteroo]

Give it a break!

AF is a magazine which features a range of subject matter, not necessarily written by journos,or even professional pilots.

If you want absolute accuracy, go to AIP, CAR's and CAO's, and the relevant POH's.

AF suffers no more, or less, 'errors' than does AA, AOPA, RAA or SAAA publications. Or,for that matter,any OS publicns.

Humans are fallible, and mistakes happen. Caveat emptor

AF is good value when you compare it to any other mag - Oz or OS.

happy days,

[Obiwan]

Yes it is open and....does it really matter? Probably just a worn out spring that's popped open....that's life!

Exactly - I had one pop open just after takeoff for this reason. It was hinged on the side so a kick of the rudder shut it. Hardly an inflight emergency... (I was only a student too back then)

[DeltaSix]

Just a tip to make sure it is fastened, give it a thump around the sides 3-4 times and if it is loose, it will pop open.


D6

[Deepsea Racing Prawn]

Just saw the Morrison brothers Metro story, almost as laughable as Phelan's article supporting NAS/Dick-space from last year.:rolleyes:

[karrank]

Have been a subscriber since AV 2003 and enjoy it & consider it a valuable resource as my SPL continues, (ccts, more ccts).

As to comments like:As aviators we can also expect high standards of professionalism... I would say FROG CRAP, you are taking yourself too seriously. I read Wheels (I don't, cars are dull, but its an example,) but don't expect learned engineering from, erm, engineers or driving articles by Shoomakker, Chowmaeker, erm, that boring Kraut bastard. From either I want stuff that's interesting, makes you think about what you are doing and explains how to get out there and have fun.

I do not expect high standards of professionalism, I demand reasonable levels of amateurism from myself, and I'm proud of it. Jim's article helped me overcome my checklist phobia changing from a C150 to P28A. Instead of memorising pages of obtusely different stuff I've just included L/R fuel tank and booster pumps in the same checklist I used in the C150 and tried to use CDF. I look pointedly at the panel and say 'gear up & locked', but grit my teeth and don't check the bomb doors. Thanks Jim.

On the other hand, that Phelan boxhead's rant on the 'enraged mumbling' page might give CC a woody but it sounds tired, whiney & second-hand to me. Does the man have anything positive to say about anything?

[Super Cecil]

Crank, you said"Does the man have anything positive to say about anything?" to people on prune? surely you jest. Prune is a circus of negativety, with clowns most posts. :8

[Sunfish]

I agree with Karrank. There is something useful to me in every issue, just like there is something to learn in every flight, but of course I'm only a low time ppl, not a sky god:p

[Chadzat]

I think bundling the whole magazine into the "unprofessional basket is a touch harsh".

BUT after finally getting my mag on friday and flipping straight to the Morrison Article, surely the writer who compiled that article must have had a few too many the night before, I am still confused as to how he can have ALL his pictures as the Metro and not mention it ONCE in the article. And for the Editor to not pick this up means that either both the Editor and the writer do not know their aircraft or that.......they just don't know their aircraft!

I find Jim's articles quite helpful, especially the ones on flying techniques and exposing the flaws in "default standard" instructing techniques. The Reach for the Sky series however of late has been going downhill. Sure they need to demonstrate that ANYONE (just about) can get a PPL these days but even someone whom after getting their PPL still cannot do simple procedures...ie Diversions.

[En-Rooter]

No, thuuuuuper, not negativity, just letting people who post know about d!ckheads who don't know what they are talking about. i.e. YOU.

[Super Cecil]

That's great Router, got me a bewdy. :8

[Avgas172]

Don't get me started on Nurses, what a mob of whingin' buggers .... cost the taxpayer a bomb and then bugger off to some drug / pathology company to drive small kamikaze machines around pretending to be important, and then wanna get CPL's to do the same in the sky .... sheese i ask ya!:mad:

[Chimbu chuckles]

karrank....far from giving me a woody I was utterly dissmayed by what I read in the P68C 'infomercial' with regards to takeoff and landing techniques.

More specifically,

the aircraft assumes a very poistive climb when rotated at 71 KIAS, and at 200' the fuel pump is switched off, checking that pressure is maintained. Flaps up at 500' and the aircraft accelerates to its 92 kt blue line speed.

And,

and will similarly float if your approach speed is above manufacturer's recommended approach speed of 78 KIAS. I found that approaching at blue line speed- apparenty a CASA "preference"- you'll leave a lot of bitumen behind you and maybe spend a little more on brake linings...

He does go on to 'strongly recommend' using 78 KIAS for 'bush' operations...well thank god for small mercies:(

In a mag read primarily, I suspect, by inexperienced pilots it is unforgiveable to suggest the above techniques are acceptable in any way shape or form. In the same mag (AF May/June) there is an article titled 'GA safety gets overdue attention'...if completely ignoring assymetric considerations on takeoff but then blindly accepting what some tosser at CASA 'prefers' on landing is an example of where Australian GA has ended up then it certainly needs some 'overdue attention'.

Unlike your good self, I suspect, I do actually know Phelan and have in the past enjoyed many beers at Cairns Aeroclub with him and while I dissagree with him about NAS I believe his heart is in the right place and generally enjoy his writings. I very much enjoyed the light hearted article comparing the best SE Piston aircraft ever built to that plastic Cirrus thingy:ok:

I think he makes some very good points in his May/June Backlash column.

But I think he was less than critical enough about the techniques espoused by the P68C salesman let alone the 'CASA preference' of landing at blue line speed:uhoh:

It is very common in all aviation mags that 'aircraft test flights' tend toward being infomercials....if the journo involved is a little too harsh/honest he probably doesn't get to fly the latest shiny new aircraft anymore...but ANY pilot who suggests he's going use the above takeoff technique in a light piston twin I am sitting in gets told to pull over and let me out...end of story. When in the past CASA ops staff have suggested similar such BS to me...and they have on more than a few occassions I simply keep asking them pertinant questions until they realise how stupid they sound.

Vmca and Blue line speeds are takeoff considerations primarily...below an appropriate altitude on finals...say 200-300' they are an irrelevance....because only a fool with a death wish does assy go arounds in a light piston twin from low altitude.

Not even attempting to attain blue line speed until above 500' in a piston twin is incredibly bad airmanship and very unsafe...landing 14kts over manufacturers recommend Vref is just as bad. It should never appear in a flying magazine and a complaint should be filed with the CASA individual concerned and if he can't be found or won't listen to reason it/he should be reported to his seniors.

rant over.

[bushy]

Well said chuck.
A magazine that runs about fifty advertisements for flying training, and rarely a single one for pilot vacancies, obviously is divorced from reality. It's mainly propaganda.

When we applied to have a P68 put on our AOC, we submitted details etc from the manuals to CASA. I got a call from a CASA FOI, who told me that the 159 knot cruise speed we were using was wrong. He said "they can only do about 120 knots when they are going downhill" My reply was that I had considerable experience in them and the figure from the manual was correct. He also phoned my chief pilot, and got a similar reply. We did not change anything, the type was added to the AOC, and the aeroplane did what we expected.

Those who know about these things are out here, doing it.

[gassed budgie]

Mogas 172, after having spent the last 22 years hitched to a nurse (and a very dedicated one) I can assure you they've got every right to whinge. After seeing what they have to put up with and the responsibilities that go with their profession, I believe they should be paid as twice as much as they are currently getting.

[captain_cranky]

and will similarly float if your approach speed is above manufacturer's recommended approach speed of 78 KIAS. I found that approaching at blue line speed- apparenty a CASA "preference"- you'll leave a lot of bitumen behind you and maybe spend a little more on brake linings...

Searched high and low. I could not find a reference to this technique or "preference" in anything on the CASA website.:hmm:

[Avgas172]

Ha! someone to take the bait .... Well Grass Boogie I been married to a Nurse for 31 years and still married so I claim seniority, and she's still in the profession working in a hospital copping all of Bob Carrs BS.
(I was taking the p.ss mate) It's called aussie humour and I been guilty of it for many years
Cheers :E

[Chimbu chuckles]

Captain cranky....and your point would be?