USAF???

[Speedbird777]

Hi Guys,

Have done a pretty thorough search of the forum but cannot find much info on joining the USAF as a pilot (being a british citizen). Would appreciate it if you guys could answer any of the following questions:

1) Does anyone have any experience of getting into the USAF as a british citizen. I've heard it can be done!?!?

2) Has anyone worked in the USAF and could give info on lifestyle relative to the RAF (as an FJ pilot)??

3) Is there an age limit - can't seem to find one on the website??

4) Are there any other public access forums like PPRUNE that I could post these questions on?

Would be grateful for any help you can give,

Speedy

[L1A2 discharged]

You could try: airforce.com, or phone 1-800-423-usaf.

[sedburgh]

Go to http://airforce.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/airforce.cfg/php/enduser/entry.php and click on
"COMMON QUESTIONS", Question 43 is "I am a non-US citizen, can I Join?".

[rivetjoint]

You need a green card to enlist but to get secret or higher clearance you must be a US citizen.

All officers and most of the "interesting" airman trades require at least secret clearance.

[Speedbird777]

Have been to airforce.com and also US immigration site. Was just looking for some info from anyone who has been through the process or knows someone who has.

Appreciate your help,

Speedy

[US Herk]

Age limit for UPT (undergraduate pilot training) used to be completion by 26 1/2, but I believe they have raised it to 28 or 30??

You can get a secret (and higher) clearance as a non-US citizen under special circumstances...

As mentioned, enlisting as a non-US citizen is relatively easy. You have to be a resident in the US, so if you attend university there, for example, you can do it. I'm not certain about becoming an officer though...

You might try calling RAF Mildenhall Recruiter - 01638-541110 (that's the switchboard). Be advised, they're geared toward enlisted accessions.

I can't speak for the FJ community, but I know the Albert community is similar depending on the unit...

[HAL Pilot]

You must be a U.S. citizen to be an officer in any branch of the U.S. Armed Forces.

[The Helpful Stacker]

Enlistment into the U.S. Air Force, or any branch of the U.S. military, by citizens of countries other than the United States is limited to those foreign nationals who are legally residing in the United States and possess an Immigrations and Naturalization Service Alien Registration Card (INS Form I-151/551 -- Commonly known as a "Green Card"). Applicants must be between 17 and 35; meet the mental, moral, and physical standards for enlistment; and must speak, read and write English fluently.

There you go. Cut and paste at its finest.

[VitaminGee]

Does the last clause rule out anyone from North of Watford and West of the Severn Bridge? (Equally, those of us serving/having served in UK Forces may struggle with the penultimate clause!!)

Good Luck Speedbird

[Talking Radalt]

I do like the mention of having the right "moral" standards!
The US military and morals. :hmm: They sit together in a sentence about as well as "Jordan" and "intellectual".
Somebody poke me and say it's a joke....

[rivetjoint]

Talking Radalt, please tell me your last post was a joke...please?

[Talking Radalt]

OK, it's a fair cop RJ, my last post WAS a joke and the various military outfits of good ole Uncle Sam are a model of morality to us all.
Some bloke (Al something I think his name was) from Quantanamo Bay told me that in the pub last night.

[Onan the Clumsy]

"COMMON QUESTIONS", Question 43a is "I am non-citizen US effendi, can I Join? Allah Akbar In'shalla."





about that max age. I had heard 34 for the military, or, because they like those five letter acronyms 00034 :8 but enrollment is down (another thread maybe?) so I understand they raised it. I'm still to old though :{

[Talking Radalt]

because they like those five letter acronyms 00034

Maybe they accept people up to the eve of their 100,000th birthday? I can think of a few MACR who'll be pleased! :)

[MajorMadMax]

Please note one critical element of this...

Enlistment into the U.S. Air Force, or any branch of the U.S. military, by citizens of countries other than the United States is limited to those foreign nationals who are legally residing in the United States and possess an Immigrations and Naturalization Service Alien Registration Card (INS Form I-151/551 -- Commonly known as a "Green Card"). Applicants must be between 17 and 35; meet the mental, moral, and physical standards for enlistment; and must speak, read and write English fluently.All USAF pilots are commissioned officers. In order to be commissioned an officer in the USAF, you must be a native-born or naturalized United States citizen.

As for age, "Officer Training School (OTS) applicants must be at least 17 to apply and commissioned before their 35th birthday."

You also must be able to "must speak, read and write English fluently"...and that's our English, not yours! :}

And for a similar US forum, try BaseOps (http://www.dynamictruth.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?category=1).

Cheers! M2

[Michael Edic]

There's no such thing as your English. There is English like what we (and HM) speaks then there is a nasty bastardised version thereof, which is referred to as American English, or more simply wrong!
Kindest regards to all
Mike

[Onan the Clumsy]

MajorMadMax I fear it's only a question of time before your military becomes, like the rest of your society, multilingual. ;)

[Michael Edic]

Deleted as not funny or relevant bit I still blame the two bottles of wine!!

In reference to OTC that would be just like the Canadians. Does anyone know how to tell a yank and a Canadian apart? Is the Canadian just more intelligent?

[Onan the Clumsy]

Does anyone know how to tell a yank and a Canadian apart?
It's easy, you ask 'em both if they are from America. One will say "Yes" and the other will say "No"

Then you ask 'em both if they are from Canada. One will say " Yes" and the other will say "Where's Canada?"

[MajorMadMax]

One more bit of info concerning the original question...



IC 2004-1 TO AFI 36-2205, APPLYING FOR FLYING TRAINING, AIR BATTLE MANAGER,
AND ASTRONAUT PROGRAMS
29 OCTOBER 2004

1.1.6. Active Duty applicants must not exceed their 30th birthday or 5 years beyond their Total Federal Commissioned Service Date (TFCSD) by the start date of the board’s first available UFT class as specified in the UFT Selection Board Announcement message. See Attachment 2 for age or commissioned service waiver request procedures. Air National Guard and Air Force Reserve applicants must not exceed their 30th birthday or 5 years beyond their TFCSD by their assigned UFT class start date (i.e., the UFT
class start date may not be later than the date of the applicant’s 30th birthday).

Source: http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/pubfiles/af/36/afi36-2205/afi36-2205.pdf

And for the rest of you...:}

Britain suffers humor failure

LONDON (AFP) - Britain is suffering a sense of humour failure, with laughter levels three times lower now than 50 years ago and nearly half of all adults unable to enjoy at least one big guffaw a day, research showed.

Money worries, relationship woes and even political concerns were among the reasons given for the collection of grim faces, according to the data, collected for the cruise company Ocean Village.

"Laughter is an essential ingredient of a healthy, happy life and is one of the most effective and immediate antidotes to stress and tension -- it really is the best medicine," said Amanda Bate from Ocean Village.

"The findings of this study show a worrying trend towards glumness. In the 1950s we laughed for an average of 18 minutes daily but this has dropped to just six minutes per day," she said.

Morning misery is rife, with almost half of Britons -- some 45 percent -- admitting they frequently wallowed in gloom until lunchtime.

Around 16 million adults, totalling 40 percent, said they failed to muster even one proper belly laugh in an average day.

It is not all sulking and moodiness, however, as the research found that single women aged 18 to 24 in the northern city of Manchester were the happiest people in the country.

In addition, Bristol, in western England, was named the most cheerful place for couples aged 25 to 34.

Factors such as weather, time of day and age, were all cited as being able to spark the blues.

July and August were the happiest months of the year according to three out of four people quizzed, with January the most miserable.

The study was carried out by ICM Research on behalf of Ocean Village who interviewed a random selection of 1,000 adults aged 18 or over. :E

Cheers! M2

[Speedbird777]

Thanks guys,

Age appears to be 31 which is good news. Have also read that the Canadian AF's age limit is even higher, as is Oz's. Why is that the RAF insist on such an early age cut off???

If any of you have worked in USAF/have any experiece on getting into USAF as a brit then would appreciate your replies/PMs.

Baseops was great.

Cheers,

Speedy