Where to put your wings

[Antelope]

Quick question,
Does anyone know where your wings have to go on your No1s, blues etc. Left side, above the pocket I know but how far, measurement wise? I need them on when I go back to work on Tues and I've left it a bit late to find out the normal way.

Thanks for any help,

Ant

Oh and do you put wings on CS95?

[timex]

Above the middle of the LHS pocket about 1/2 inch above the seam on your "Blues", and yes you can wear them on CS95.

847 bound by any chance?

[Antelope]

Bit of a hold then off to Valley.

Thanks for the info.

[Impiger]

Wings on CS95? - I don't think that's right; people might do it but that doesn't make it correct.

[JessTheDog]

Have they changed the rules on CS95? As I understood it, wings were not permitted but everyone ignored the rule. I heard that CS95 is being withdrawn in any case, because of the cost of replacement due to wear and tear, and barrack dress is to be reintroduced with more robust combat clothing for field wear. So it will be back to blues or growbags for the majority of the time....

[truckiebloke]

if its good enough for the Chief of Air staff, its good enough for me!

[ChristopherRobin]

Army wear wings on CS95. But then, we also know how to wear berets and CS95 without tucking our trousers into our boots, so I suppose that's ok then.

[Safety_Helmut]

Antelope

Surely one's batman would know the answer to such an important question ?


:ok: :ok:

Safety_Helmut

[L1A2 discharged]

"Where to put your wings
Quick question,"





so, so tempting .....


millions of possibilities .....
beginning with:

1. where the sun don't shine

[brakedwell]

Antelope
Don't forget to stitch a set on your pyjamas - impresses the opposite sex no end!

[jayteeto]

Don't put them on your CS95.... please!! You know that you are a pilot, the nasty people on ops would be delighted for you to help them pick out the best target. A certain very tall officer called Mikey # has a pair of boxer shorts with wings that he likes to show to the girls........

[Onan the Clumsy]

You could do what my uncle did when he was a sergeant in the army. He attached his stripes with velcro. Unfortunately for him, it wasn't in case he was unsure of the exact location, but a time saving response to his frequent disciplinary actions.

[Impiger]

Jayteeo's point is a good one. RAF aircrew (and presumably others) always fly ops in sanitised flying suits that offer no clues as to their specialisation, unit, aircraft type etc. Do soldiers also sanitise their CS95 before crossing the start line? I can see the problem that has arisen from the Army using CS95 as routine barrack rig - where quite naturally they want to wear their tribal insignia - and the proper purpose for this kit which is to fight in.

[timex]

Don,t think CS 95 has been cleared for flying in (apart from pax...). So really its just barrack dress, not sure what everyone else wears when flying but believe its Jungle lightweights, Desert combats or flying suits when on Ops.

[Pontius Navigator]

Wear your nice white wings on CS95 by all means. Good aim point using NVG.

[snaggletooth]

CS95 is cleared for flight in my FOB, but be warned it burns like the proverbial candle

[Safety_Helmut]

snaggletooth

be warned it burns like the proverbial candle

I had heard similar whilst taking part in Op Fresco (the last one).

Interesting attire then for fighting fires.

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Safety_Helmut

[STAN DEASY]

I do believe the only place for a set of wings is on ones left sleeve dear boy.

INCOMING!

[MightyGem]

Don't put them on your CS95.... please!! You know that you are a pilot
Hmmm...so why did you used to wear them on wooly pullies then?

[4Greens]

The aviators used to wear them on their sleeve!

[extpwron]

Above the middle of the LHS pocket about 1/2 inch above the seam on your "Blues", and yes you can wear them on CS95.

1/2 inch – that’s not going to leave much room for campaign medals!

[Spanish Waltzer]

Slightly off topic but along the same vein.....

In this puple era if someone transfers from one service to another as a qualified service pilot do they change their wings or continue to wear the ones they were originally awarded?

[FJJP]

You change wings.

I remember buying OG/black wings/name badge combined for CS95. [Aunt Liz awarded me wings and no pillock desk jockey was going to deprive ME of wearing my hard-earned badge!] DIOT agreed and had a set made for himself, after he wrote a blistering letter up the chain about waste of time, money, etc, tinkering for the sake of it. But then, Bobbie Robson was a REAL leader and did not suffer fools gladly.

Is there not a flying version of CS95? Properly anti-fodded [buttons held on with tape, etc] and fire-proofed? I seem to remember the truckies wearing them a while back....

[StopStart]

There's a flying version of CS95 being trialled by a few poor unfortunates at the secret wiltshire airbase at the moment. Taped buttons etc etc but it appears to made from either a heavy hessian or some form of tarpaulin. Apparently it's hot and uncomfortable - expect to see on sqns soon then :rolleyes:

[obnoxio f*ckwit]

StopStart, the new CS95 currently being trialled for flight by non-FJ crews is identical to the standard stuff. Same weight, same pattern, same buttons etc etc. I have heard that a detachable knife/cutter patch is in development too, so that it will not be necessary to fix one to the CS95 itself and give away your anonymity.
The only way to tell it apart without reading the label is if you do something silly, like sticking wings on it!
And for those who jump into their current cabbage kit at the first available opportunity, it doesn't burn like the proverbial candle - its much, much worse than that, it goes up like its made of petrol-soaked paper, but, worst of all, remains burning once the source of ignition is gone, so even a quick flash fire, that you might have survived in normal flying kit, could be lethal.

[PPRuNeUser0172]

You cant put your wings on your CS95, it upsets the blunties and we dont want that now do we......;)

[cobaltfrog]

The DS solution is that you wear the wings you were first awarded.

There are a number of Naval Officers wandering around with AAC wings!! Just like there are a few Air Force Officers with RN wings!

However, I am not aware of any AAC with either RN or RAF!

[Impiger]

Cobaltfrog

I don't think the DS solution stands up to the reasonable man test.

You'd look a right tart wearing RAF wings on a naval uniform - where to put them? over the sleeve rank or on the breast? If you're employed as a pilot in the RN surely you should wear navy wings even if your original military flying course was with the RAF or AAC.

Similarly AAC or RN wings on an RAF No 1 just wouldn't look right. I seem to recall RAF regulations require you to wear the flying badge of the specialisation you are employed in. Thus an ex AEOp now a WSO/Nav wears N brevet (or new WSO brevet) if he is currently filling that role. If he is not in role (say on an ops support tour as an ops or int officer) he can wear any (RAF) flying badge he is entitled to. Knew one such rather ancient beast who used to wear S on his working dress, RO on his mess kit and N on his No 1! He was an ops officer at 6 FTS at the time had started as NCA on Shackletons, become a commissioned Radar Observer on Javelins and then a Navigator instructor before hanging up his flying helemt and goggles.

[teeteringhead]

Wearing Other Wings

ISTR a regulation (QRs maybe?) from my early years which stated that Army wings could be worn on RAF uniforms and vice versa - and I've certainly known of instances of both, some quite recently.

However, RN wings could only be worn on RN/RM uniforms and no other wings were allowed on RN uniforms. I think the latter was an RN rule.

This refers to "posh" uniforms, ie No1/SD or Mess Kit, of course anything goes (it seems) on grobags...

[forwardassist]

petitfromage
We try not to wear ANY badges on dpm - defeats the point of wearing dpm and trying to blend in! Sewing wings onto green jumpers and dpm strikes me as an insecurity thing - I haven't got my flying suit on but look at me, I'm important! :}

Badges? We don' need no stinkin' badges!

[Quagger]

Why don't you get them tattooed onto your forehead? Think of all that sewing you'll save, and that way everyone will know you are a........................:E

[spinstallaeropfl]

Actually, I have my brevet on just about anything... (including my pyjamas, which are silk because I get loads of well earned flying pay and can therefore afford the best things in life...!). I would draw the line at a tatoo on my forehead though, that would just look silly.

Yours insecurely... SSAP

[FJJP]

My, my, my... easy, isn't it, to spot the vitriol from those who don't have them! They are hard-won, and damned if I'd want to be mistaken for a blunty...

At least the Regiment has the same idea, proud to be in the Regiment and also wearing the Regiment flash to avoid being mistaken for a blunty!

You wear the wings appropriate to the Service you belong to. So if you change Service you change wings. Several RN observers of my acquaintance came over to the light blue and switched to wearing the 'N' brevet.

As for DPM, what's wrong with wearing black wings? (unless you don't have them and get vitriolic about it...)

[cobaltfrog]

I am afraid it is FACT that you continue to wear the wings of the service in which you qualified.

NOW, whether you choose to go against it and wear those of your new service is between you and them! But by the letter of the QR's You should stick to those first issued. If you qualify as an Observer and become a Pilot you wear Pilots wings and the O's wings behind your lapel (NOT in QR's!!)

As for AAC wings on RN uniform it is reality!! As for RAF on RN uniform, I have seen that too with a Harrier Pilot!

Quad erat demonstrandem!

BUT overall, WHO CARES!!

[StopStart]

obnoxio f*ckwit, the aircrew CS95 being trialled by said young fren' o' mine in Cyprus the other day is considerably thicker than normal CS95. Maybe this is different stuff? He normally wears CS95 anyway (ex RW, go figure) but was distinctly unhappy with the new stuff. Lot "heavier", hotter etc etc

As for the original subject, wearing of the brevet on DPM clobber does rather defeat the object and make one stand out of the crowd slightly.... Definately wear it on everything else though :D if I've gone to the trouble of earning the bloody things I'm certainly going to.

To paraphrase FJJP, dry your eyes :}

[hanger_pilot]

does any one think this thread has gone too far??

[mystic_meg]

Dunno about wings/brevets/whatever, but I get Mrs M to put my rank slides on me todger.......









..........that way she can pull rank on me.....:D

[spinstallaeropfl]

m_m

Excellent... hadn't thought of that... I'll see to it right away...! That's after Mrs Spin has finished sowing my brevet on my CS95 of course... bless her...

SSAP

[2port]

Mystic

Bet she doesn't get much fun in just pulling a pilot officer though! :D

2P

[teeteringhead]

Makes Sir Peter H quite impressive as a 5-star!:E

[Army Mover]

I once met a staff officer at 5 AB Bde who was an AAC officer, wore a Red Beret and both RAF pilots and Army Parachutists wings. Apparently he was in the TA Parachute Regiment, joined the RAF (was a Puma pilot), left the RAF and later joined the Army.