Universities offering Aviation Subjects

[Daniel Beurich]

Hi Guys,

Do any of you know of any Australian Universities which offer Aviation Degrees (Bachelor of Aviation, Aviation Science,) but only the theory, none of the Flight training and degree all in one, as im already gaining my licenses with my flying school.

Also, while im typing, whats the defference between an ATPL and a ATPL frozen. what is "frozen" what restrictions does it place atc, and can other licenses, i.e CPL and PPL be "frozen". im pretty sure it dosent mean put your license in the freezer either :) :}

Daniel

[Kickatinalong]

You are a worry Danial, Why don't you just ask your Instructor or don't you talk to him/her outside the cockpit ?
UNSW can help U (I think) they have 300 applicants for each run and take about 12 (good luck)

[takeonme]

Licence in the freezer!

Haaaaaaaaaa

Everybody! He's here all week!


Your on fire mate, come on, hook us up with another classic!

[Daniel Beurich]

No seriously, what is a ATPL (frozen)

Kickatinalong,

My next flying lesson is in about a Month, as im stretched for money, and my nearest aerodrome, Coolangatta, is still quite a drive away. Its just a spur of the moment question.

Daniel

[MrApproach]

RMIT University MBA (Aviation Mangement)

[ms747]

gday mate

yeah it is getting harder and harder to find a universtiy offering aviation subjects they seem to be sadly dropping like flies!!
i was lucky enough to finsih the degree at the universtiy of newcastle last year and graduate this year but unfortunately the degree is no more!

your other option may be to do a diploma in aviation!

i dont know how you feel about moving but my flying school down in newcastle way offers a great diploma, with all atpl subjects, other alternatives are maybe doing some correspondance subjects via UNSW or western sydney uni i still belive do correspondance.


finally as to regards to the frozen atpl.


a frozen atpl means that you have completed all the theroetical requirements of the atpl ie passed all the exams and done your knowledge deficiency parts with casa i beleive.

basically it means you have al your atpl passes and a CPL but have not gained the required flying experience ie min 1500 hours and also various requirements as to types of hours eg IFR etc, hence the term frozen.

Atpl is the only type of licence that can be frozen as with all the other licences you need the hours before the flight test, currently an Atpl does not have a flight test but i have heard a rumour this may be changing eventually


hope all this helps
feel free to ask any other questions you may have

cheers
matt

[Nicad]

Griffith University in Brisbane is offering degree's in

Bachelor of Aviation
Bachelor of Aviation Science

amoung other types of aviation degrees and a handfull of diplomas. The good thing is you don't have to be on campus with griffith you can do all the study via the internet. I've completed a semester there and found the study wasn't to hard its more of a matter of being well organised if youv'e sat your CPL papers you should breeze through

Heres the link
http://www.griffith.edu.au/academicprogramsandcourses/
- choose science on the left hand side and then undergraduate programs.

Gaining your cpl is a must to complete this course but you don't have to train with a pre approved organistaion only sit your exam with a pre approved testing officer. Im sure i read that somewhere on the web site but you might want to double check that.

Hope that helps.

[Ash767]

If your looking to do a degree I say go for it.

You should perhaps consider though, gaining your licences as you so desire and do a non aviation related degree.

I have my CPL etc, but I am now at uni doing Finance simply to increase my options.

If you for some reason don't get to where you want in aviation you have something to fall back on.

Best not to put all your eggs in one basket!

Regards
Ash:ok:

[Daniel Beurich]

MS747,

I know what you mean!

My Flying school i am with (Air Gold Coast, Coolangatta) are really good, and they are going to finish off my CPL, MECIR, NVR, etc, etc, so once i leave, all i will pretty much need is ATPL subjects, (frozen), and i (want) a degree.

I emailed UNSW, and they said i could do something like the Aviation degree in Managment, and get My ATPL through them, as they offer it as an extra subject to their already graduated CPL's.

I am not sure on what kind of Criteria, or what a diploma is, but could i say get a diploma with my ATPL, and the UNSW B.Av Managment?

Ive looked at the other Universities, and so far, UNSW looks the best for what i am looking for, but if it is as hard to get into as what iot sounds like, then ill have to keep some other options open.

what do you guys think (of my plans :) )

Daniel

[CaptainToBe]

Mr Sim strikes again.

[Daniel Beurich]

CaptaintoBe, What do you mean?

Daniel

[tinpis]

:rolleyes:
RAAF.

[Daniel Beurich]

Dont really want to do the RAAF, not a Mil Jet person, and i dont want to have do about 10 years compulsory service or whatever it is.

Daniel

[zoej]

hey
i would suggest going to Griffiths University, Nathan campus.
They offer really good courses. It is only about a 50 min drive from the Gold Coast. The university offers mid year intake so you could even start in July. Through doing a degree at Griffiths you get to meet many people involved in the aviation industry.
I was going to do a degree up until a week ago and have deciede to concentrate on flying this year and then next year I will do a degree.

zoe

[Daniel Beurich]

I had a look at Griffiths Website, and it appears to do the Degree, you have to do the flight training with them as well, which actually counts towards getting the points for your degree. IF they offered only the Degree without the Flying that would be great, as by the time i apply i will already hold a CPL with MECIR, NVFR, Ratings etc.

Daniel

[Aussie]

Hey Fellas,
How yas doing? Maybe i missed it, im on late shift so bare with me.

Ive been told that if you do all your flight training up to CPL including your ATPL theory, you can get credit for that and only need another 1.5yrs of fulltime uni to get the degree...

ANyone know if thats on track?

Also, what will an aviation degree give you? I mean you dont need it for flying, so what can you use it for? Airline ops, i mean i just dont know.

Why would you do your ATPL's through a tafe or uni if you can do them over 4weeks or so through private companies?
Just curious if theres other benefits.

Cheers

Aussie

[AnDrEw_P_H]

you dont have to do the flying through the university (griffith). they have "approved" flying schools but that doesnt mean they wont give you your degree if you do your flying elsewhere. like i did.

[Bill.cavok]

Aussie,
It would take a bit longer than 1.5 yrs to do the degree if you had a CPL and ATPL theory done. Most of us are doing the flying on top of 3 year fulltime degrees.

[Nicad]

About weather or not you choose an aviation degree or another type of degree I don't think it makes that much of a difference. Alot of people out there that have degrees aren't working in the field that they studied for except maybe for those who studied law, medicine, accounting or those specialised jobs. I would say for the majority of employers it doesn't really matter what you've studied. Having a degree is more to show your employer that you have the brains and dedication to be left in charge of a project without supervision and that you are capable of handling problems when they arise.

Look at my flatmates for example one is a trained vet yet he works as an IT manager looking after the computers for a large company. He got sick of dogs biting him and cats vomiting on him. My other flatmate has a Masters in Psychology she does project managing for a recruitment agency. To be honest I think she hates it and wants to return to psychology but the point is neither one has a degree in the industry that they are working in but both have shown that they have the skill to work in a managerial position by obtaining a degree and that’s all there employers see.

If you have to make a choice about what type of degree you should do my advice to you is to choose something that you’re interested in. I didn’t go to uni straight after school like some of my mates did but out of the handful that did go to uni after 4 yrs of study only one of them has a degree now that’s because they got feedup and bored of what they were studying. I would say the alcohol and women had something to do with it but they all deny it.

Besides an Aviation Science degree is pretty cool you could work as an air crash investigator or with the management papers you have to sit you could run your own business (not restricted to aviation), you could become a project manager for any airline, and most importantly a science degree looks impressive on your cv as does a pilots licence. When people see that written on your cv they tend to relax a bit and open up a lot more.

[Aussie]

hey all,

Thanks for the replies. Im getting a better picture here now.

So will all the CPL and ATPL count for any credit in the long run?
Can i get some credit from the uni to shorten the degree?

How hard is it to do the degree by distance education? Is it possible to do it that way?

Cheers


Aussie

[Bill.cavok]

Hi Aussy,
You'll get full credit for your CPL and ATPL theory, and that should help shorten the time it will take to get your degree.
Griffith is an excellent University for the Aviaition courses, particularly with the distance education. You can do your degree externally over the net.
Contact them for some info.:ok:

[Charles Abetz]

Hey

I now that is some distance from where you live but University of South Australia offers a degree in Aviation that doesn't require you to complete flight training but you can if you want.

here is the link:
http://www.unisa.edu.au/aviation/Degree/pros.asp

I will probably decide to go study there after I have finish my current degree in Software Development, as I wish to become an air crash investigator. If anyone has any information on how to become an air crash investigator, like what special courses that need to be completed etc. that you would be much apprieciated.

sorry for the bad spelling.

[disco_air]

I agree with Ash767 in parts...

You should perhaps consider though, gaining your licences as you so desire and do a non aviation related degree.

I have my CPL etc, but I am now at uni doing Finance simply to increase my options.

If you for some reason don't get to where you want in aviation you have something to fall back on.

Best not to put all your eggs in one basket!

But some of these aviation degrees (the UNSW one definately does) consist of a broad spectrum of subjects that can be applied not only in many facets of the aviation industry, but also outside the industry.

Components such as;

Airline Management - Accounting/Finance/Economics/Marketing/Operational

Air Traffic and Airport Management

Human Factors - CRM/Accident Investigation/Safety Management/Risk Management

Mathematics/Statistics/Physics

Aeronautical engineering

...plus the many electives available at universities (subjects from other courses such as languages)

These can be applied right across the industry (in case one can't continue a career as a pilot but want to stay in aviation), and also can be applied to other industries... especially in other transport industries.

I gathered that some (perhaps the Uni of Newcastle degree?) focused a fair bit on aeronautical engineering and human factors and not so much on the others.

Additionally, UNSW offers both Flying degrees for those that want the flight training, and Management degrees for those who either have it already, want to go elsewhere for flight training or want to work elsewhere in aviation.

And like Nicad said, a degree may simply prove you posess the skills/application required to manage a complex situation/organisation.

...Disco