PDA

View Full Version : Navy Officer, RAF Officer......will the Army be next to lose one????


the_grand_dad
17th Dec 2004, 15:48
How long will it be before the Army gets a slice of the same?





Bully' RAF chief nicked



Gorman ... faces grilling




FULL NEWS INDEX




By TOM NEWTON DUNN
Defence Editor
AN RAF chief has faced the humiliation of being ordered home from a secret mission — to be arrested over alleged bullying and corruption.

Wing Commander Nigel Gorman was summoned back from America — where he was working on a special forces project.

The officer, who faces a grilling over THIRTY accusations made by his staff, was arrested within hours of returning to the UK.

He was also removed from commanding the MoD’s elite parachute training school based at Brize Norton in Oxfordshire.

The scandal emerged just a day after The Sun revealed warship captain Commander David Axon had been booted off his Royal Navy frigate amid allegations of bullying.

Last night an RAF source said: “Gorman is the sort of man you either love or hate. He’s a strong personality and a talented officer.

“But he has made his fair share of enemies over the years. It looks like they’re now coming back to haunt him.”



Base ... RAF Brize Norton in Oxfordshire



RAF sources revealed investigators have compiled a dossier on the wing commander, who is in his 40s. It is said to include claims of intimidation, sexual harassment, bullying and cronyism. The officer is also alleged to have misappropriated service vehicles for his personal use.

The Sun was told the accusations came from a number of officers and other ranks under Gorman’s command — ranging from squadron leader down to instructing sergeants.

Yesterday the RAF refused to comment on one suggestion made to The Sun that Gorman had “borrowed” official cars to go on holiday in France. Officially, the wing commander remains commanding officer of No1 Parachute Training School. But since his arrest he has been moved to a low profile job at RAF Innsworth until the investigation is completed.

If convicted of any serious charges, Wing Cdr Gorman would be thrown out of the RAF in disgrace. He could even face jail.

The wing commander, who earns £60,000 a year, was part of a US Air Force special forces project in California when he was ordered back a fortnight ago. It is virtually unheard of for commanders to be relieved early under a cloud while in the middle of operations - especially missions as sensitive as Wing Cdr Gorman’s.

An RAF spokeswoman said last night: “We can confirm that the officer concerned returned early from detachment in the USA because of the nature of the allegations.



Allegations ... Gorman yesterday



“It was deemed to be in the best interests of all the personnel concerned.” As head of No1 Parachute Training School, the wing commander is in charge of 13 officers and 60 senior NCO instructors.

One of his key roles is teaching SAS and Special Boat Service commandos to skydive from high altitude. Men under him have also been sent to support clandestine operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Last night his defenders insisted the allegations stemmed from a long-standing grudge by certain staff.

An RAF source revealed military cops were probing suggestions that witnesses were even leaned on to give evidence against him.

Wing Cdr Gorman was tight-lipped at the £400,000 detached home he shares with wife Kylie in Witney, Oxfordshire. He said as he returned from walking the family’s dog Pepsi: “I’ve absolutely nothing to say.”

Additional reporting: JAMIE PYATT


Click for Gaskill's view
EXCLUSIVE



Crew tell of abuse


Serious allegations ... Cmdr David Axon



By TOM NEWTON DUNN
and JOHN KAY COMMANDER

David Axon was booted off his warship after complaints from two young officers, it was revealed yesterday.

Both sailors claim the boss of HMS Somerset subjected them to cruel and repeated verbal abuse. over a period of time.

And more alleged victims are expected to come forward as the probe continues, a senior source said last night.
_________________

Always_broken_in_wilts
18th Dec 2004, 11:07
Whilst not in the bullying category there is a big push here in Wilts to have the recently awarded OBE taken away from a Lt Col who murdered three people in a drink drive collision 3 years ago, his third serious driving offence.

The "Strip Stibbe" camapaign has the support of local MP Andrew Murrison who has himself handed in a petition to No 10 on behalf of all those opposed to this totally insensitive award.

One wonders at the sense of the senior ididots who put this killer forward for this award, or if those who sanction such awards were aware of his "complete record"

Call me an old cynic but if this was Cpl Stibbe does any one reckon that he would have kept his job, let alone get an OBE:yuk:

all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced

kokpit
18th Dec 2004, 13:17
"Call me an old cynic but if this was Cpl Stibbe does any one reckon that he would have kept his job, let alone get an OBE"

Had a Cpl on a Sqn do just that back in the nineties. Really nice bloke, just reckless behind the wheel, and killed an oncoming driver on a bend. Not only did he loose his job, he got 5 years inside.

the_grand_dad
19th Dec 2004, 07:44
very true the problem we have are to many officers hiding behind their rank. where allegations of bullying are coming up the CO of the camp behind these allegations always manage to escape any blame for there failures, the only finger gets pointed at the Jnco's. Its about time the Army Board showed some back bone and started sending out clear messages to Officers that rank will not help you get out of the brown stuff.

aytoo
19th Dec 2004, 13:57
Don't hold your breath waiting! I have deep and personal experience of the officer corps closing ranks to protect the guilty, with such minor allegations as perjury, conspiracy to pervert the course of justice and friends in VERY high places getting their offspring off the hook all being ignored, whilst the downtrodden tommy takes his chances with the courts-martial system.

Justice? Don't make oi larff!

Daysleeper
19th Dec 2004, 14:58
Looks like the marines are next.

Royal Marines face court martial
The claims relate to the treatment of young recruits


Six members of a Royal Marines training team from Devon are to be court martialled, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) has confirmed.

It follows complaints of bullying at the Commando Training Centre at Lympstone in July and August 2003.

Full story.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/4109273.stm

the_grand_dad
19th Dec 2004, 16:00
No Army Officer yet? would have thought the Tabloids would have got one by now.:D

moggiee
19th Dec 2004, 16:23
Don't suppose Major Ingram (cheating, not bullying) counts?

Front Seater
19th Dec 2004, 19:58
I think that the Mail on Sunday has an interesting article by Lt Col (Retd) Collins about this subject. However, as I have not seen both sides of the stories surrounding the 1 Parachute Jump School and HMS Somerset or the Lt Col Stibbe, then I will naturally base all of my opinion on what the rest of the country does....and take it from the media.

However, if subsequently found innocent I don't believe that the press will be so interested.....as Lt Col (Retd) Collins found out. Whatever the outcomes, thankfully to the media they dont have a hope in hells chance of recovering their careers, even if admonished/not guilty.

The best bet is just to keep very very quiet, let the world go by without making any decisions that might upset anybody and forget reading all of that Military History academia and concentrate on the European Human Rights and Political Correctness etc.