And this Forum belongs to?

[MAD Boom]

Without wanting this on the Rememberance thread as it is a most respectful collection of comments, but within it (page 1) a certain 'Pub User' quotes:

'This is a pilot's forum.....'

Call me touchy, but.... comments on a postcard please.

[Tonkenna]

Whilst I think I understand what Pub User was getting at I don't agree with the idea of this being a pilots only forum. It does say Military Aircrew though I think its even wider than that, and long may it remain so.

Tonks:cool:

[Wholigan]

Masses of arguments on both sides can be found here (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38883&highlight=nonaircrew)

[Tonkenna]

Ah yes, I remember that one...it got me in the sh*t :ouch: :p

Tonks:)

[MobiusTrip]

There are closed forums available (sites other than pprune) for mil pilots. By invitation only........

I think keeping this 'open' is a good idea - we can chat about 95% of the stuff we wish to on here. The rest can stay in the crew room and the closed forums/sites.

It's great to get input from so many people with a variety of backgrounds.

MT

[Quagger]

Hmmm, can't understand why some people get a bit precious about non mil aircrew using PPrune. After all there are many different threads to choose from, if a thread is not to taste, then why 'click' it. Like it or not, personnel from the wider RAF also seem to want to use this forum as well. After all, there's no I in Team :yuk: Sorry!

[Tonkenna]

Didn't realise this was just blurb, more fool me for believing it. Sorry, I guess all of us non UK, non crab types should s*d off and leave you dullards to chat amongst yourselves. Still, if you light blue types can't handle proper banter...

Perhaps I have missed something, but I think Quagger and most others agree it should be open to all :confused:

Tonks :ugh:

[Quagger]

can't handle proper banter
Bring it on :E


My point, that I obviously didn't make very well; is that everyone with an interest in RAF/mil aviation should feel free to use this forum.

[Nigerian Expat Outlaw]

Jungly, I'm with you. Military Aircrew means just that, but ALL the other threads are what they are. What about Wannabes etc ? The site may have begun as a professional Pilot's thing but it's expanded since then.

By the way, I was an Army NON COMMISSIONED pilot and have been flying alongside civilian and ex military (of all three services and many nationalities) for a long time.

Long may it be so. This site is not for snobs or the narrow minded.

[detgnome]

JunglyAEO

Having seen previous posts of yours I am left wondering exactly what it is that you have against a) aircrew and b) the RAF. Banter is all very well, but I clearly I was under the misapprehension that one of the points of banter was to amuse as well as to poke fun. Perhaps you should work on this side of your 'banter' rather than directing a (seemingly) constant tirade against the RAF.

[Pureteenlard]

Personally I've never flown anything but a PC and I'm very glad this forum exists. I'll never have the money to learn to fly and I'm too old, too fat and too lazy to join up. However I do have an avid interest in most things that fly and being able to ask questions of those people who are skilled enough and lucky enough to fly military aircraft makes my boring little world a tad more interesting. If anyone on this forum considers my questions banal then feel free to say so but remember that I reserve the right to consider such a person to be rude and therefore beneath my dignity!

[joe2812]

I'm not RAF, not military, not even aircrew... i'm what has been described as a 'wannabe'.

Sorry if my questions inconvenience so many of you, but for those offering advice I am extremely grateful.

Should I now consider myself unwelcome in the Mil Aircrew forum and PPRuNe in general?

[Nigerian Expat Outlaw]

Purteenlard/Joe2182,
I'm pretty sure the moderators (though I'm not one and I'm just airing my views as anyone else is entitlied to do), would agree that you are very welcome on any thread. There are plenty of private sites for snobs who who don't want their views and (oh, dare I say) imperfections to be seen by "outsiders". Stay in and enjoy !!

[WorkingHard]

Having been on the receiving end of comments from some (presumably) mil types who disliked my viewpoint it does seem that a closed thread would be innapropriate. For those that want a closed thread - is it because you can't stand questions/criticism? I bet you hide behind your badges of rank to stop such things happening in your own little world. Welcome to the real world. Long may we have open forums.

[Nigerian Expat Outlaw]

Well said !!:ok:

[Systemessage]

Blimey - the mention of closed threads here has certainly got a couple of guys feathers in a ruffle! I might have missed it (I sometimes do), but has anyone on this particular thread said that they think it should be closed?

Why does the idea that some operators have a private site / thread or whatever get so (very obviously!) under your skin? I assume because you are not inculded ;-) Why sweat it, there are surely more important things to get tense about!

If people wish to keep stuff private, then that is their right.

Systemessage

[althenick]

JunglyAEO
Having seen previous posts of yours I am left wondering exactly what it is that you have against a) aircrew and b) the RAF. Banter is all very well, but I clearly I was under the misapprehension that one of the points of banter was to amuse as well as to poke fun. Perhaps you should work on this side of your 'banter' rather than directing a (seemingly) constant tirade against the RAF.

detgnome,

I would have thought his user name might have given you a clue
;)

...as for whose forum it should be? well since I am not military (I was a Killick Weapon's tiff in RNR many moons ago just like WEBF - D'OH!:\ - but that doesn't count :D ) I would say that it should be regulated by the Fly boys and girls. But I also must say that it will be a sad day when non-flyers get blocked out. After all there have been some pretty good posts from this sector of folk.

[PPRuNe Pop]

Pureteenlard.

You express yourself very well and I doubt that the regular and equally articulate guys and girls on Mil would argue that you have a right to be here.

None of the forums on PPRuNe are exclusive to any one type over another. Indeed, it is the fact that they are open to everyone which makes them so interesting.

We do, of course, get the knockers and those with insular views but hey, that makes the world go round. We also get those who are thouroughly stupid who promote terrible questions and answers but we get around the site pretty quickly and stamp on it if we have to.

By and large PPRuNe is a place to honestly rant, rave and have fun and we do get to see the start of some fabulous threads.

For me an ex mil, I enjoy the people here as well as all over PPRuNe. So far, 6 years of pleasure - most of the time.:ok:

[Quagger]

So, I guess the answer to the original question is .............everyone :D

[teeteringhead]

Hey this is all getting a bit heavy.

Always thought of this forum as like a happy hour or an open day. Unmoderated (or rather self-moderated) and open to anyone who wants to converse on anything to do with military aviation (however tenuously) of whatever nationality or cap badge.

And just like converstaions in happy hours etc - if you don't like it, you don't have to join in! Argumentum ad hominen is as out of place here as it is anywhere civilised, and there have been great contributions from conspicuously non-military people; it would be a lesser forum without the presence of (for example) Jackonico or WEB Fan . Even the sainted Danny has graced us at times.

So let 'em all come in, and do keep the banter funny.......

Even BEags , that grumpiest of grumpy old men, said in a previous thread that it should remain open......

[Shorty Final]

the sainted Danny? he and anglican saint only known in the UK? Can't remember such a one from my sunday school days.

Fun forum,as The Pop (should that be Pope?) said.Military people don't beat about the bush, don't like it,don't read it no?

[teeteringhead]

the sainted Danny? he and anglican saint only known in the UK? Can't remember such a one from my sunday school days.

Nein nein mein liebe Shorty Finals . Weissen Sie nicht dass der Besitzer des Pprunes heisst Danny?? Oder veilleicht machen Sie Spass mit mir,und es gibt nur eine Art Deutsche "Banter"??

Entschuldigen bitte fur meine schlechte Deutsch, and auch dass, mein Schreibmaschin (ich weiss nicht wie man "keyboard" auf Deutsch sagt) leide keine umlauten hat!!:ok:

[BEagle]

Ihre Deutsch ist ganz gut!

Which is probably wrong since my German 'O' level was 39 years ago......

Grumpy old man - you libellous so-and-so, tittyhead! But yes, keep the forum free. Some of us have been heavily lent on by certain $hits who don't like free speech - they would have loved the Stasi!

[Danny]

Dunno what you 'orrible lot are arguing about. It's my forum and I'm the only one who decides who is allowed to post on here! Comprende? :rolleyes:

Tsch! (shakes head in disbelief) Anyone would think that there's some kind of democracy here. IT'S A DICTATORSHIP AND DON'T YOU FERGEDDIT!

Talk about wasting your breath... some of you have an awful lot to learn about PPRuNe. :hmm:




:}

[Nigerian Expat Outlaw]

I say again, well said, and now, nuff said !!:ok:

[moggiee]

I think we're all well aware of the dictatorship status!

There are plenty of people in here with strong, differing and sometimes sane opinions and this is what makes this the richest of the public fora. We may not all agree - we rarely do - but the diversity of discussion is both rich and rewarding.

Some of the contributors take some flak (I have on occasion), some of them deserve it (I have on occasion) but if it was closed it would also be dead - or at least deadly dull.

Hell, I even get to communicate with pongo pilots in here - you would not get me doing that willingly in the real world.

Who would it be restricted to? Current military aircrew? Pilots only? Closed for aircrew on ground tours? How would elligibility be proved and controlled? Maybe it should be renamed "Military Aviation" rather than "Military Aircrew".

Fur " Ü ", schriebt mann "UE". So ist "MÜLLER" wie "MUELLER" geschriebt.

[goffer hopper]

as a first time ppruner and new member of the mil aircrew genre, i say keep it free, let all speech be free, and if jungly aeo wants to attack the raf, let him, perhaps we should even have a seperate thread for that purpose!you can't close it down to mil aircrew only, it'd be dull. remember "the team works"!,even in the raf!

[Shorty Final]

an answer form my lieber Herr Teeteringham (thank you very much) and an appearance by Sainted Danny.His English isn't very good for an Englishman? :)

[teeteringhead]

Danke sehr gnaedige moggiee!:ok:

[Pub User]

In my (rather late) defence, the phrasing of my original post was not intended to be at all divisive, nor was I suggesting a closed forum. I was merely pointing out that this was a website for specialists, and as such it made sense to post remembrance messages which are directly pertinent to our profession.

As it happens, I have always been particularly rear-crew friendly, and would not dream of trying to exclude the views of others, whatever their background or experience. One of the best CRM courses I have ever been on was so good because of the mixture of people on it, and I consider the varied opinions of others to be vital to an effective and safe operation.

That said, no matter what I think, it's still the Professional PILOT'S Rumour Network.

[The Burning Bush]

it's still the Professional PILOT'S Rumour Network

Well that's it then:rolleyes:

Anyway, ever the one for choice; for those of us who are not pilots and in the military there is always http://www.militaryforums.co.uk/forums.php
For those of you who are not pilots and not in the military - I'm still looking ;)

PS - I wonder if PPrunes advertising rates will go down if the subscriber base drops:}