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Mightycrewseven
5th Oct 2004, 09:47
From the RAF Intranet:

Scope of the Redundancy Programme and Criteria for Selection

The aim of the redundancy programme is to achieve the draw down outlined in para 1 above whilst maintaining a satisfactory balance of personnel with the skills, experience, ability and seniority in rank throughout the Service to enable the delivery of operational capability in a more flexible, deployable and responsive way. Redundancy, therefore, will be targeted towards particular ranks, branches and trades intended to achieve this aim. Eligible personnel will be invited to apply to be considered for compulsory redundancy but, to ensure the long-term balance of ability and experience at each rank level across branch and trade structures, it may be necessary to reject some applicants whilst selecting non-applicants for compulsory redundancy. The arrangements outlined in this DCI are applicable to all regular Royal Air Force personnel, including air rank.

Redundancy Timetable

The redundancy programme is planned to be completed by 31 Mar 08 or earlier if possible. Firm timetables for each tranche will be promulgated when the fields of those eligible are published.

Selection of applicants for redundancy is entirely at the discretion of the Royal Air Force and will be made in the interests of the Service.

General Eligibility Criteria for Redundancy

Rank. For the purposes of eligibility and selection for redundancy, rank will be the addressable rank for officers or the normal paid rank (either acting or substantive) for non-commissioned aircrew and ground airmen, held on the date of promulgation of fields for each tranche of the redundancy programme. Airmen holding Special Paid Acting Rank (SPAR) and officers holding rank solely for presentational purposes in overseas appointments will be considered in their substantive rank. All personnel, including those who have been selected for promotion, who are selected for redundancy will cease to be eligible for promotion, including appointment to acting rank. However, they may retain any acting rank held when selected for redundancy, subject to their continuing to occupy a post that justifies its retention. Officers selected for redundancy will not be eligible for transfer to a Permanent Commission (PC), assimilation, or selection for any training course that attracts a return of service (ROS) commitment, unless it is in the interests of the Service to do so.

Eligibility for personnel with pending exit dates. Personnel will not be considered for redundancy in any tranche if, as from the date of this DCI, they have a conditioned exit date on or before 31 Mar 08. In the case of officers, a conditioned exit date includes release at an exercised Optional Exit Point or at the end of a Short Service Commission (SSC), and retirement at an Initial, Normal or exercised Optional Retirement Date. For airmen, a conditioned exit date includes release on Regular Service Expiry (RSE) date or at age 47 for those who have yet to exercise their right to apply for Length of Service (LOS) 30. The rules applying to personnel who have applied for Premature Voluntary Release (PVR) are covered in paras 24 to 26. Airmen serving on any form of continuance or officers serving on any form of extension of service, including any officer serving past the normal compulsory retirement age for his branch specified in AP 3393 Chapter 5, will not be eligible to apply for redundancy. Under no circumstances will personnel be permitted to amend their current terms of service either to qualify for redundancy, avoid qualification for redundancy or to improve terminal benefits once redundancy fields have been announced and before the closure date for applications.

Eligibility of personnel subject to current disciplinary or administrative action. Personnel who are subject to action by Service or civilian authorities which may result in trial either by court martial or in the civilian courts (save for minor offences under the Road Traffic Act), or who are the subject of administrative action that may result in termination of service for blameworthy reasons, are eligible to apply and their applications will be considered along with all other applications. Similarly, personnel within this category may be selected as non-applicants where necessary. Selection for these personnel will be based on the same eligibility criteria as for others; Redundancy Selection Boards will not be informed of current disciplinary or administrative proceedings. However, if disciplinary or administrative action has not been completed by the exit date, redundancy will not take place until the outcome is known. Thereafter, eligibility for redundancy will be decided on a case-by-case basis; in all cases, the interests of the Service will remain paramount. Personnel who have been selected for redundancy but are subsequently discharged or who retire, resign or are dismissed from Her Majesty’s Service for other reasons, will not be eligible for redundancy benefits.

Return of Service. Both applicants and non-applicants who owe a ROS following basic training, further training, pre-employment training, other courses and promotion can still be considered for redundancy either as applicants or non-applicants. This ROS will be taken into account and selection for redundancy will depend upon the overriding requirements of the Service. However, see para 35 for the policy concerning the ROS associated with Retention Incentive Bonuses.

Redundancy Benefits

Redundancy benefits for personnel leaving the Service under this redundancy scheme are detailed at ANNEX A (officers) and ANNEX B (airmen and non-commissioned aircrew). Once the categories of those eligible have been announced, personnel who require an individual estimate of redundancy benefits should apply to the Armed Forces Personnel Administration Agency (AFPAA) Pensions Office Redundancy Cell in the format of ANNEX C. Applications for estimates must reach AFPAA no later than three weeks after the redundancy fields have been promulgated. A pensions ‘Help Desk’ for enquiries will also be available on a number to be announced with the redundancy fields; however, a formal assessment of benefits on redundancy terms will only be provided on receipt of an application. All applications will be acknowledged; personnel who have not received an acknowledgement within 10 days of despatch of their application should contact the AFPAA Pensions Office. The Pensions Office should not, however, be hastened for estimates until five weeks have elapsed. Applications should not be submitted until details of the redundancy fields are announced; applications for estimates for exit on redundancy terms from personnel who are not in the redundancy field applicable to their branch/trade and rank will neither be acknowledged nor processed.

Selection. Redundancy Selection Boards will assemble at the RAF PMA to consider and reach decisions on all applications for redundancy and, if necessary, to decide which non-applicants are to be selected. The composition of the Redundancy Selection Boards will reflect the principles employed for Promotion Selection Boards.

Notification. All personnel (applicants and non-applicants) selected for redundancy will be notified by individual letter via their chain of command. Those applicants not selected for redundancy will be notified separately by letter direct from RAF PMA in order to protect confidentiality. Letters will be dispatched close to the notification date in order not to arrive before the formal notification of redundees. This may mean a small delay before those not selected are told. No information will be disclosed in advance of the notification, and units and individuals are not to contact RAF PMA to attempt to obtain early advice.

Period of notice. Successful applicants for redundancy will be entitled to six months’ notice of exit. However, some personnel may be required to serve for up to six months beyond that date to fulfil Service manning requirements. Non-applicants selected for redundancy will be entitled to 12 months’ notice of exit. All notice periods include Graduated Resettlement Training, Terminal Leave (where applicable), Post Operational Detachment Leave (PODL) and Annual Leave.

Change of Exit Date. Both applicants and non-applicants wishing to leave earlier may apply (DO letters for officers, General Applications for airmen) through normal personnel channels to do so, and they will be permitted to leave provided the interests of the Service permit. Personnel seeking to take this course of action should note the restrictions in para 31 and should be aware that this may affect their entitlement to Job Seekers’ Allowance (see para 32). In addition, those seeking to leave earlier will have their pension and gratuity rates based on their actual date of exit and not their original notice date. Non-applicants selected for redundancy will not normally be allowed to defer an approved redundancy exit date for personal reasons (for example, to attend a resettlement course),

Reserve Liability. Officers serving on a PC made redundant under the terms of this DCI will be placed on the retired list with the normal recall liability; officers serving on SSC terms will be transferred to the reserve and will have a reserve liability. Officers will be subject to the usual liabilities of retired officers as set out in AP 3393, Chapter 5, Annex B, and to the restrictions on employment set out in AP 3393, Chapter 5, para 0505. Airmen and non-commissioned aircrew who are discharged to pension under the terms of this DCI will be subject to the normal recall liability in an emergency; airmen and non-commissioned aircrew made redundant who are on non-pensionable engagements will be transferred to the Royal Air Force Reserve to fulfil their call-out liability. AP 3392 Vol 7 Leaflets 201 and 202 provide clarification.

Appeals

Non-applicants selected for redundancy and those who applied to be considered for redundancy but who have not been selected may appeal. Appellants will be expected to demonstrate exceptional circumstances that were not known by the Redundancy Selection Board. Dissatisfaction with an exit date calculated in accordance with this DCI is not a ground for appeal. To maintain confidentiality, personnel are to submit appeals direct to PMA8(R)(RAF); they may, however, seek the support of their chain of command if they wish. Where appropriate, appeals are to be supported by medical or other evidence. The above procedures do not preclude an individual’s right subsequently to seek redress under QR(RAF)1000 or to request an interview with an AOC under QR(RAF)52(5); exit on redundancy terms does not, however, qualify an officer for an interview with a member of the Air Force Board under QR(RAF)2905(5).

Premature Voluntary Release and General Right to Give Notice (NGR)

General policy. The arrangements detailed in AP 3393 and AP 3392 Vol 2 Leaflets 703 and 708 under which applications may be made for PVR/NGR exit will continue to operate throughout the redundancy programme. Personnel granted permission to leave under PVR/NGR terms will not be considered for the award of redundancy terms.

Personnel who have applied for PVR/NGR. Personnel who have applied to leave the Service for any reason other than redundancy, including PVR/NGR, and whose application is received by RAF PMA on or before the date of this DCI will not be allowed to withdraw their application in order to apply for redundancy.

Financial Retention Incentives (FRI). Applicants for redundancy who have received an FRI will be subject to the extant rules if they fail to complete the appropriate ROS . If they are discharged before they have completed the appropriate ROS, they will be required to repay the full amount of the FRI (gross) in a single payment before discharge. Non-applicants made redundant who, at the time of their selection for redundancy, have received an FRI for which they have not provided the requisite ROS before their last day of service, will not be required to refund the FRI.

Compensation will take the form of a tax-free lump sum payment known as a Special Capital Payment. In addition where an appropriate period of reckonable service has been given immediate retired pay and Terminal Grant may be paid.

Qualifying Service means full paid service from age 18. Reckonable service means full paid service from age 21, whilst a member of the Armed Forces Pension Scheme (AFPS). Additionally, for the purpose of calculating the rate of retired pay and Terminal Grant, notional years of service which have been bought under the Purchase of Added Years Scheme and actual service brought into the AFPS by way of a Transfer Value may be included as reckonable, but not qualifying. Contracted-out service means full paid service during which contracted-out rates of National Insurance contributions were paid.

Special Capital Payments. The amount of the Special Capital Payment will be equivalent to a number of months’ pay as follows:

a. Officers with at least 13 years’ qualifying service:

Uncompleted portion of career to normal retiring age Special Capital Payment (Note 1)
Years Months’ Pay
5 or more 18
4 15
3 11
2 7
1 3
Less than 1 year See Note 2

Note 1. The payments shown are for whole years of uncompleted service. Each further calendar month of uncompleted service will attract a payment of 1/12th of the extra compensation for a further whole year of uncompleted service, subject to a maximum of 18 months’ pay.

Note 2. For periods of less than one year, each calendar month will attract a payment of 1/12th of the compensation for one year of uncompleted service.

b. Officers with 12 years or more, but less than 13 years of qualifying service.

Years of Qualifying Service Special Capital Payment (Note 3)
Years Months’ Pay
12 15

Note 3. The payment is for 12 whole years of qualifying service. Each further calendar month of service will attract a payment of 1/12th of the extra compensation for a further complete year of service (subject to a maximum of 18 months’ pay).

c. Officers with less than 12 years’ qualifying service:

Years of Qualifying Service Special Capital Payment (Note 4)
Years Months’ Pay
11 19
10 17
9 15
8 14
7 12
6 10
5 9
4 7
3 5
2 3
1 1

Note 4. The payments shown are for complete years of service. Each further calendar month of service will attract a payment of 1/12th of the extra compensation for a further complete year, subject to a maximum of 19 months’ pay.

5. Special Capital Payments will be assessed as follows:

a. Pay will be the basic military salary in issue on the last day of full paid service or, if more favourable, the rate appropriate to any paid acting rank held on conclusion of the last appointment before retirement, but all forms of additional pay and allowances will be excluded in either case. For flight lieutenant specialist aircrew only, pay will be the basic military salary, plus the difference between the middle rate of flying pay and the rate of specialist flying pay in issue.

b. On the current system, a month’s pay will be calculated by multiplying the daily rate of 365 and dividing by 12. Once JPA goes live in all 3 Services, the calculation will be based on 365.25 days to take account of the way the system is programmed to handle leap years.

Retired Pay and Terminal Grants.

6. a. Officers prematurely retired as redundant who have less than 16 years’
reckonable service but at least 12 years’ qualifying service, will receive retired pay calculated as a proportion of the 16-year rate according to their lengths of reckonable service. Therefore, for example, an officer with 13 years’ reckonable service will receive 13/16ths of the 16 year rate of retired pay for his rank. The normal rule requiring two years’ service in the substantive rank will be waived.

b. Where 16 years’ reckonable service has been completed, retired pay will be determined under the normal rules except that the requirement of two years’ service in the substantive rank will be waived.

c. Where retired pay has been awarded under 6a or 6b a Terminal Grant of three times its annual value will be paid.

d. Officers who complete two years’ contracted-out service, but less than 12 years’ qualifying service will be eligible for preserved benefits normally payable at age 60. Those officers with at least nine years’ but less than 12 years’ reckonable service will receive in addition a resettlement grant subject to completion of satisfactory service.

e. The normal rules for life and resettlement commutation will apply to those officers awarded immediate retired pay under the AFPS75.

f. A preserved pension may be transferred to another pension arrangement, subject to certain time limits and conditions, such as those contained in the eligibility rules imposed by the AFPS. When there is insufficient service to qualify for a preserved pension, this service may also be transferred to another pension scheme, or be bought back into the State Earnings Related Pension Scheme (SERPS).

g. Flight lieutenants on the PAS who leave on redundancy terms and who have failed to serve the requisite five years on the PAS will receive the standard Specialist Aircrew representative pension based on rank without any pension supplements. Squadron leaders on the PAS who leave on redundancy terms and have failed to serve the requisite five years on the PAS will receive the standard career stream representative pension based on rank without any pension supplements.

Rank

7. Awards of retired pay or preserved pension made under these provisions will based on the substantive rank held on retirement (the normal requirement for a minimum of two years in the rank being waived) or, if more favourable, under the normal provisions for taking into account paid acting rank.

Short Service Commission Officers

8. a. In the event of premature termination of service owing to redundancy, an
officer on a short service commission, in addition to the preserved benefits due in respect of the period of service completed, will be awarded a tax-free Special Capital Payment calculated on the following basis:

(1) one month’s pay for each year completed; or

(2) one month’s pay for each by which service is shortened, plus one month’s pay, whichever is the lesser.

Compensation will take the form of a tax-free lump sum payment known as a Special Capital Payment. In addition, where an appropriate period of reckonable service has been given, an immediate pension and Terminal Grant may be paid.

Qualifying Service means full paid service from age 18. Reckonable Service means full paid service from age 18, whilst a member of the Armed Forces Pension Scheme (AFPS). Additionally , for the purposes of calculating the rate of pension and Terminal Grant, notional years of service which have been bought under the Purchase of Added Years Scheme and actual service brought into the AFPS by way of a Transfer Value may be included as reckonable, but not qualifying. Contracted-out service means full pay service during which contracted-out rates of National Insurance contributions were paid.

Special Capital Payments

Personnel serving on engagements to complete 22 years or more, or engagements in excess of 12 years provided there is no evidence that they would not have engaged for, or been refused, an extension of service to at least 22 years, will be granted a tax-free Special Capital Payment on discharge by reason of redundancy as set out below:

a. Personnel with 16 years’ or more qualifying service:

Uncompleted Period of Engagement Special Capital Payment (Note 1)
Years Months’ Pay
5 or more 18
4 15
3 11
2 7
1 3
Less than 1 year See Note 2

Note 1. The payments shown are for complete years of uncompleted service. Each further calendar month of uncompleted service will attract a payment of 1/12th of the extra compensation for a further whole year of uncompleted service, subject to a maximum of 18 months’ pay.

Note 2. For periods of less than one year, each calendar month will attract a payment of 1/12th of the compensation for one year if uncompleted service.

b. Personnel with at least 12 and less than 16 years’ qualifying service:

Years of Completed Service Special Capital Payment (Note 3)
Years Months’ Pay
15 15
14 15
13 13
12 13

Note 3. The payments shown are for complete years of service. Each further calendar month of service will attract a payment of 1/12th of the extra compensation for a further complete year of service subject to a maximum of 18 months’ pay. Where service exceeds 15 years, extra compensation will be 1/12th of three months’ pay for each calendar month over 15 years.

c. Personnel with less than 12 years’ qualifying service:

Years of Completed Service Special Capital Payment (Note 4)
Years Months’ Pay
11 19
10 17
9 15
8 14
7 12
6 10
5 9
4 7
3 5
2 3
1 1

Note 4. The payments shown are for complete years of service. Each further calendar month of service will attract a payment of 1/12th of the extra compensation for a further complete year, subject to a maximum of 19 months’ pay.

Pensions and Terminal Grants

Personnel eligible for a Special Capital Payment under the terms of paras 4 to 6:

a. Who have less than 22 years’ reckonable service, but at least 12 years’ qualifying service, will receive a pension calculated as a proportion of the 22 year rate according to their lengths of reckonable service. Thus an airman with 13 years’ reckonable service will receive 13/22nds of the 22 year rate of pension.

b. Where 22 years’ reckonable service has been completed, a pension will be calculated at the normal rate payable according to the length of reckonable service given.

c. Personnel who complete two years’ contracted-out service, but less than 12 years’ qualifying service will be eligible for preserved benefits normally payable at age 60.

d. The normal rules for life and resettlement commutation will apply to those personnel awarded an immediate pension.

e. A preserved pension may be transferred to another pension arrangement, subject to certain time limits and conditions, such as those contained in the eligibility rules imposed by the AFPS. When there is insufficient service to qualify for a preserved pension, this service may also be transferred to another pension scheme, or be bought back into the State Earnings Related Pension Scheme (SERPS).

Non-Commissioned Aircrew (NCA) on the NCA PAS who leave on redundancy terms and have failed to serve the requisite five years on the PAS will receive the standard representative pension based on rank without any pension supplements.

Where a pension has been awarded under paras 7a or 7b, a Terminal Grant of three times its annual value will be paid under the conditions of QR 3175(2). A resettlement grant will not be payable.

Specaircrew
5th Oct 2004, 14:33
Great...........hopefully there'll be a stampede of ME Capts applying so that I don't have to waste my life away in a 'king office!

Whipping Boy's SATCO
5th Oct 2004, 15:04
B***er, got an option before 31 Mar 08. :( :(

Trumpet_trousers
5th Oct 2004, 19:37
MC7:
I appreciate that it's a large document, but any chance of posting some more?

Ta!

Oggin Aviator
5th Oct 2004, 20:18
Should DCI's or details on Service Intranets really be posted into the public domain?

Just a question.

Most interested parties should access through normal channels to the info, unless posted overseas or on det or something.

As I say, just a question.

Red Line Entry
5th Oct 2004, 20:49
Hardly classified info Oggin, and there are a lot of us not in the normal info chain.

The real question will be over the breakdown of numbers/ranks/trades!

Melchett01
5th Oct 2004, 23:34
RLE - having spoken to various people further up the food chain, my best guestimate is that the engineering and supply branches are going to take it up the hoop, although every branch, other than int - which is so bloody small as to be miniscule already, will lose a fair share.

As for which ranks get it in the neck, I would think that they will take a proportional slice off the side of the rank pyramid rather than taking chunks out of individual ranks to try and maintain some semblance of a career profile for the 14 people left at the end of this exercise in moral suppression and butchery.

Selection of applicants for redundancy is entirely at the discretion of the Royal Air Force and will be made in the interests of the Service.

Good - does that mean we'll be getting rid of the plethora of Air Officers and useless senior officers that don't actually do very much other than steal oxygen from the rest of us??? Surely that would be in the interests of the service. But then again...... what am I thinking??!!

The only light at the end of the tunnel is that those 'selected' for freedom will have been specially chosen by a board that is based around the principles of a promotion board. As I've got sod all chance of being promoted any time this side of Tefflon Tony admitting he's screwed the pooch in Iraq, does that mean I'll escape the chop? :O :ok:

Well Travelled Nav
6th Oct 2004, 07:26
Here's a question for the amateur employment lawyers.

Do the RAF or any employer have to give you a specific reason why you might been given compulsory redundancy?

I suspect we would get "For the best needs of the service"

How do you know that you are not being descriminated against?

From reading the terms, there will be people on PC's who are close to qualifying, but have not yet served the 12 years required to qualify for an immediate pension (or proportion) who may be mightliy miffed that the pension they were expecting is not going to be theirs.

Red Line Entry
6th Oct 2004, 07:35
From memory of the same process 10 years ago under Options for Change (or whichever round of cuts it was), I remember hearing that it was effectively a "reverse" promotion board: ie they got rid of those who were unlikely to get promotoed but would otherwisehave hung around in the Service for numerous years to come.

BTW, if you apply and are not selected - will it be mentioned in future promotion boards?

November4
6th Oct 2004, 08:19
Another trade which more than likely won't be affected is Movements

Still no getting away from us :E :D

JessTheDog
6th Oct 2004, 08:48
Call me a cynic ...

(Chorus: "Cynic!!!")

I recall a number of tales of Army personnel who were manning-controlled and subsequently mobilised - one went to Kosovo on peace support ops.

The obvious difference here is that their further service attracted no additional pension costs!

So, how likely is it that personnel may find themselves made redundant and, a few months later, find themselves the lucky recipient of a brown envelope telling them to pitch up with the remnants of their blues?

And, how likely is it that said brown envelope may be thrown in the bin propelled by a few expletives? Loyalty is a two way street, after all! And I can't see the "system" coping with a mass discarding of brown envelopes!

I have no vested interest as my exit date is before 08. However, I wouldn't like to find myself leaving the Retired List to prop up a service that had made the stupid error of cutting back too deeply just to support one of our psychopathic leader's new wars!!!:mad:

Hueymeister
6th Oct 2004, 09:25
Any ideas on when they'll announce the timings for various branches? Did the sums and it seems ok (ish) for someone like me who is due out mid-2008 anyway. When can I apply (if I want to)?

Melchett01
6th Oct 2004, 11:47
Unless I've mis-understood things completely, there's another cheeky comment buried in the middle of this paper that deals with dets.

If you PVR or are due to leave within a certain timeframe, you cannot be jiffed for a det. However, unless I'm mistaken, they have stated that anyone up for the chop that is due to go away will be forced to go on det before they leave. Surely this is a bit contradictory, and how do people go about their re-settlement procedures if they're stuck on det.

Also, to my mind, could be potentially dangerous - wouldn't it be a good idea to tell someone they've been sacked then send them off on det with a loaded weapon. Not that I'm suggesting we'll have thousands of 'Private Piles' running round Iraq, but surely going on ops, you want to be sending people who care about what they are doing and still have a bit of loyatly to the service and their mates and will get job done rather than gaffing it off because they've already been sacked.

OKOC
6th Oct 2004, 12:09
Melchett, sacking blerks whilst on det has happened before I am afraid. I clearly remember guys getting their marching orders (comp redundancy) immediately the fighting had finished whilst still in the Falklands awaiting "transport" back to blighty in 1982.

No senior officers resigned over that particular piece of appauling timing and I don't suppose any will dream of doing it this time.

It's a sad old game.

just noise
6th Oct 2004, 13:26
What does it take to improve morale in the RAF?

Tell them they can apply for redundancy, give them a base line figure and watch them grin.

Works where I am.

Still why SNCO's should be walking out with six figure lump sums plus reasonable pensions is beyond me. Bit like paying air ranks full pay on retirement.

I thought the MoD was short of money.

Hueymeister
11th Oct 2004, 13:39
Just putting it back again......any more news?

HOODED
11th Oct 2004, 17:34
"Still why SNCO's should be walking out with six figure lump sums plus reasonable pensions is beyond me. Bit like paying air ranks full pay on retirement."

Firstly where do the six figure sums come from?

A Flt Sgt with 5 years to do on the Highest pay (Eng non Aircrew) will get max 18 months pay so around £56K plus his gratuity(earned already) of say 3 x £12K(Pension)=£36 therefore £92K and thats Max!

Unless you're talking a WO as a SNCO! I doubt a Warrant OFFICER would have 5 years left anyway!

Why? Because they've earned it thats why! With all the initatives they've had to endure and continual cutting of their resources manpower and Eqpt plus no FRI. THEY DESERVE IT! Good luck to em I say, SNCOs are the backbone of the RAF. Trust me they'll be sorely missed!:(

Impiger
11th Oct 2004, 19:39
Just Noise / Hooded,

Where do you get the air ranks retiring on full pay? Clearly not from the AFPS rates of retired pay book that I read. Air Ranks 2* plus retire on a shade under half basic pay for the mid band pay rate for their rank. 1* rate is the same at just under half pay but is based on total years of service from age 21 rather than the pay rate they are actually on.

Hueymeister
11th Oct 2004, 19:51
Is anyone considering it?

HOODED
11th Oct 2004, 20:45
I never said Air Ranks retire on full pay! It was in quotation marks!Huey, I think an awful lot of people are considering it. I rekon they'll need to keep all the adminers just to process the aplications!:}

Jambo Jet
19th Oct 2004, 13:29
I have had time to look at this but I am useless when it comes to jargon etc.

1 - If you have an exit date prior to 31 Mar 08 then you will not be made redundant. Nor will you be offered assimilation ( I guess that is unlikely this year or for the forseeable future.) Therefore you will be required to leave at your exit point. (Has anyone been offered PA? recently)

2 - A reverse promotion board ? Guess for ME Pilots that means if you do not get offered Captaincy/CFS at end of Co Pilots tour then start looking for a job. Also if you were automatically given PA from Spec Aircrew then dont rest on your laurels either.

So in 2008/9, just who is going to be left in ?

1- All the real experience that is left will have to retire at exit points.

2- Any current Captain with an exit beyond 31 Mar 08 or the creme of todays Co-pilots.

juliet
19th Oct 2004, 15:00
anyone got any good gen on current ground jobs that could be filled by a jnr fltlt. trying to figure out what the options are as it seems like the chances of captaincy are slim while cfs is non existant for an me co.

Pontius Navigator
20th Oct 2004, 18:31
Juilet,
Try for Group?

Look at the TRDs for slots on CCIS.

juliet
20th Oct 2004, 18:34
was hoping the 'G' word wouldnt be used.

Fg Off Kite
21st Oct 2004, 15:23
Annex D, Para 5 To be completed where the applicant wishes to make a statement.

I wish to place the following factors before the Redundancy Selection Board when my case is considered:

Any thoughts, apart from 'please, please, please!'? Or you're all a bunch of tankers and I don't want to work for you any more.

Or I'm changing my name to Deardrie and having the op, ah, that one doesn't work any more.:confused:

HOODED
21st Oct 2004, 16:20
Was thinking of putting "As part of the end to end cuts my squadron will loose my post so no need to post someone in to replace me!" That should do the trick!:ok:

SirToppamHat
24th Oct 2004, 12:54
I have posted on this subject before, more than once I think; the following is most recent:

Redundancy Procedures (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1371359#post1371359)

Special cases were, IIRC, weeded by pre-boarding, but they required to show genuine need. Some examples included availability of local care for children with special needs, converted houses to support same. Jobs to go to weren't especially important.

I seem to recall at the time that there was some resistance to these 'special cases', though. Essentially, the argument went that any special case worthy of consideration could have been dealt with by the individual seeking an exit beforehand (by PVR for example), and that these people were, in some cases, simply taking advantage of the redundancy payments being offered.

STH

Trumpet_trousers
2nd Nov 2004, 17:29
Just putting it back again......any more news?

.......well, is there yet? Ranks? Trades?

HOODED
5th Dec 2004, 21:33
Heard the Ranks/Trades will be announced 6 Dec. Guess there won't be too much work being done tomorow then, as most people will be filling in those how much would I get forms!

TheBeeKeeper
6th Dec 2004, 10:40
Anyone know where the news is likely to come from first? Worth looking on the Intranet Portal or elsewhere?

TBK

foldingwings
6th Dec 2004, 11:49
Mightycrewseven

Catch up, old boy, there's a good chap! This information has been available on the RAF Web and through other sources for about 2 months now!! What you are waiting for is the announcement about numbers, trades/branches etc that is anticipated this week!

What are you guys like!!!!!!!

TheBeeKeeper
6th Dec 2004, 12:27
foldingwings

Catch up, old boy, there's a good chap! This information has been available on the RAF Web and through other sources for about 2 months now!!

Which is why Mightcrewseven posted his initial message on October 5th.... oh look, about two months!

TBK

foldingwings
6th Dec 2004, 15:38
Ahha!!

Just checking that you were all keeping up!

Ball Ox!!

Must pay attention in future!!!!