Just seems that JetBlast has got much less contraversial these recent days?.

Anyone else think so?

Yer spelling's a bit 'contraversial' :}



(edited for spelling....)

Perhaps it`s just growing up. However, I miss some of the more controversial threads we used to see.

A lot has gone on in here in the last month or so, some of it there for all to see, and much more so behind closed doors. Nevertheless, we are now technically very (if at all) lightly moderated and the self moderation of most JB regulars has been evident. There has been a lot of talk about JB needing to go back to its roots, and perhaps we are just starting to see that happen.

Some would say for the better, others not so.

Where is "Jesus Loves You" when we need you to make it more controversial. For those of you new on this site, he flamed out about two years ago, but what a ride.

Whisper that very quietly, Latvia, the walls have ears. The last thing we need is a return to cut and paste circular arguments. :hmm:

It has changed and, as timmcat says, we are more lightly moderated but since that happened, the inmates themselves have often taken to nudging those who step out of line.

It may be that the reduced level of moderation is really to get back to the Jet Blast of old or it could be that if we provide the Fearless Leader with enough reason (in the form of attempted advertising, links to porn sites etc.) he will then be justified in closing it down on the grounds that his paying advertisers will not want to be seen in such a place.

I think we need to be careful here.

Astrodome,

I haven't been reading Jetblast long enough to see if this is a general trend but it does seem to go through lulls.

I have noticed that some seem to have a problem distinguishing between a differance of opinion and a personal attack - maybe this is what causes the more colourfull characters to not bother posting?

It seems that when someone posts something 'controversial' it doesn't take long for people to start attacking the poster on a personal level, cliques then jump on the bandwagon and it descends to the level of playground bullying - ugly and not entertaining.

I have been working away and staying in hotels for over 5 of the last 6 weeks and am not due home for a while yet. Being able to log onto Pprune (Jetblast) has 'just' about kept me sane, which I think is the sort of situation it is intended for, however I don't wish to log on and see ongoing petty bitching.

I for one, would rather see one strongly held stirring opinion being voiced by one of the more colourfull characters, than 25 people agreeing on the best way to make a cheese sandwich.

Maybe if people could refrain from really personal attacks and use banter and wit to disagree, then Jetblast would become the more controversial, lively and entertaining place it can and has been from time to time, whilst still being within the rules?

I remember a time, not all that long ago (well, okay, yeah, it was a loooong time ago :O ) when there was at least one thread running in here where it was obligatory to flame someone. That was a lot of fun and is the genesis of my alternative (tho not registered) username of OzEggSplat! :D

I believe that the name was used on me by someone who later became a Mod... :p Ahhhh, the good ol' days... :E

Since OCB is gone (and thank God he is), the word "controversial" has lost its meaning in JB.

Well who the HELL do you think YOU are asking a question like THAT?!?! What Moderator gave YOU the power to QUESTION the standard of JB these days heh?????

:E :E

(How was that Astrodome? Is that what you're after?) ;)

I think it's an absolute disgrace that a m0r0n like you should take it upon themselves to question the construction of my shed!

That's what come of allowing non-aviators on PPRuNe!

This is an appalling use of cyber space.
Jet blast has not changed its direction: only the standard of writhing has improved.

The reason it has changed is because bored office workers abuse it, aimlessly passing the time when at work during the week. Endless threads about sod all seem to be clogging this forum up these days. Trivia, banality and silliness appear to be the order of the day. Used to be able to have a hearty debate but nowdays the same bored specimens I mentioned above jump on it, turn it into a joke thread and basically do the cyber equivilant of jacking shit.

Fed up with it to be honest. Hardly feel I have anything to add to threads which at first glance have potential but on closer inspection turn out to be a complete waste of bandwidth and energy. Even the humour has gone, replaced by some strange new 'Jet Blast' meta-humour which is about as funny as cancer of the cock.

Anyone else view thread title's, look at who posted it, then get the usual sinking feeling so subsequently don't even bother clicking and reading because you just know it's gonna be naff? Hands up please - I can't be the only one. Note: I mention no names but we all know the culprits.

In summation, the mental excerise one gained from involved debating (complete with flamings and tantrums) has gone. We may as well read The Beano. But that's just my opinion and as one famous Jet Blast character, complete with the usual hackneyed self-made iconic status recently pointed out, mine and his view is worth sod all.

So there you have it.

Why bother when it appears we're just rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic?

VFE.

Some good points there by VFE.

I think the problem is too many soft-ons (particularly the slippery, slimier ones) looking for something to be offended by and preach about, whilst looking desperately around for as many as possible of the other regulars to join in with life-changing replies and help return their happy little world to equilibrium.

Also, domination of JB by the desk-jockeys who see posts like "There is no M1 near where I live." as hysterically funny. Or "Peterlee is near Drapeistan, if one recalls correctly."

The solution is to substitute this:

stay out if you are faint hearted with this:Wowserism and a quaint, eccentric, bone-dry and tedious English sense of "humour" a requirement, wot??? As for the very last post in this controversial thread (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=139639), although I'm lazy, I am highly competent so that blows your theory on why women-pilots are objected to in some cases. Someone is very deluded and can't remember how to have a beer with his mates without the quota of women around to keep things PC.

He gets a mention on my up-coming JB List of Knobbers thread.

My name will be on it too.

No, the 25% pay rise and less night flights for all pilots! thingie is still there. :confused:

I don't know if Jetblast has changed because I don't read that much of it, perhaps that says it all cause there are not that many links that invite me to click on them.

Tamedbill's comments:
it descends to the level of playground bullying - ugly and not entertaining.
I feel are very wise. Funny when I spoke to my airline captain friends daughter about the bullying that is ripe in here she told me never ever respond to a bully, perhaps I should have heeded her advice, atleast whatever bullying & deridment for my beliefs & attitudes I ever receive is here, I never experience it in the real world thank Gawd, better that way around I think.

To be honest PPRuNe was great for me when times were tough for me, it provided the escapism & pseudo support I needed, as it has done when I've been stuck at the computer trying (being the operative word) to study but just as I feel I need it less it's all turned sour on me anyway.

What I find is acceptable behaviour to those I mix with in the society I live gets turned on its head in PPRuNe. Funny someone put a link to the 'Sun' newspaper recently here & in my effort to find the story mentioned I couldn't help but notice the contents of the homepage & suddenly much of the goings on here begin to make sense & I began to understand what is perceived as normal & acceptable in my society may be different from what is perceived as normal & acceptable by a certain section of society just across the water, not the ones I've been in contact with so far mind you.

I need to get back to people I feel comfortable with, that have the same set of standards as me & live by the same rules & morals where I'm accepted, liked & nurtured not where they try to deride, hurt & humiliate me.

What has even made it worse is the very people who are supposed to unbiasedly uphold the standards here are sometimes the very people who are behaving in an unethical, biased & astonishingly defamatory ways even in the face of blatant wrong.

But then again you can get to know certain gems here, a certain captain whom I won't embarass to name springs to mind among them. It was interesting to see how he responded to something relatively harmless I did online that affected two people compared to the other persons response, how different those reponses were & how different a reaction it initiated from me. One I still feel a cyber affection & respect for, the other one I totally despise & has completely lost what little respect I had for them in the first place, the word 'like' never came into the equation but tolerance did.

Thank heavens when I return from the US I'll be joining a new social club, I need to return to a real familiar world where normality reigns & right can be distinguished from wrong where I'll be among friends I can identify with, not unreal two faced people who try to stab me in the back. I had hoped to meet more of you in reality but that appears to be unwise now & I doubt somehow I'd be made to feel welcome or wanted. Maybe if I been in a position to meet more of you in the flesh earlier things, judgements & perceptions might have been very different, we'll never know now, will we!

okay then....... seeya!!


:zzz:

air-hag,

ROFL :D :ok:

Fester.....
Next time in your cyber/real life is have the courage to stick with the one user name.

Also, before you ridicule and rubbish something, how about you actualy GO TO A BASH?

Then again, thank goodness you never did.

As was said to you in Chat, F*** Off.

Has Jetblast changed? Yes.
Have you changed? Yes.
It's called growing up, get over it.

For those who come to Jet Blast
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair
If you come to Jet Blast
Summertime will be a love-in there

If you come to Jet Blast
Summertime will be a love-in there


:cool:

PS
Some take this forum waaay to serious...

Hey, Fester ... you got the airline captain into your last post quite neatly, and your trip to the U.S., but you forgot to mention the degree.

Sorry, the university degree.

There, I fixed it for you. :ok:

Fester / Coco/ etc we have spoken in chat before and we haven't had a problem - but.... considering your often aired opinions about people in here, some of whom I consider my friends, I often wonder why you actually visit the forum at all......

Because she gets to witness how her postings can change the direction of a thread in the most unbelievabley ironic manner I've yet to witness in JB!

Ignore her and lets get back on topic before this thread gives her anymore satisfaction.

VFE.

Hey Fester, you can't accuse me of stabbing you in the back; I've always been perfectly upfront in my contempt for you. :E

(A very close cyber friend accused me the other night of occasionally being bitchy on here. After the initial shock I realised she was quite right, so I may as well live up to it.) :sad:

Why don't you all just shut the :mad:up and enjoy yourselves, you whining :mad: maggots.... :E

Hey Cocko, er... Coco, Why bother changing your user name? Most of us will be able to spot your fifteen page, yawn-inducing post a mile away & automatically steer clear anyway... :yuk:

Is this the kind of stuff you're looking for chaps? Always happy to oblige!


:E

FT

(PS can't see this post lasting too long!!)

some people like, for example, blue diamond and binoss, try to come across all sweet and sugary but can't quite hide the nasty streaks lurking below the surface.

Why not just let it all hang out. Don't blame it on society just stop pretending to be one thing while venting your real feelings and finishing with a sly smilie so everyone still thinks you're sweet and loveable.

If you want to be the most loved ppruner you can't take offence to ANYone's comments.

Everyone's feeling better now we've got a thread where we can all vent spleens and completely ignore the other posts. Binoss is on his way. Ever since his public wig-out a while back, he seems to be coming to terms with his natural urge to slam people. Well done.... keep it up...!!

Agree with air-hag here. While we know how long the wrath of a disgruntled woman can last, I was negatively suprised about Binos constant nagging in this thread.

Constant Nagging? Err, ok, please enlighten me. Was that the post where I admitted to despising Coconuts, or was there something else that qualified for constant nagging?

Given that air-hag is the one and only person I have on ignore I suppose I could have missed something, but in the end it doesn't matter a great deal.

There is no God. Children should be flogged. Evolution is bunk. Bush is the 21C saviour. Einstein was wrong. Come back OCB and Tartan Garnet... all is forgiven. (That should do it...):)

OH NOOOOOO!! NOT OCB!!

AAAARGGGHHH!! :yuk:

ahh, pardon me... one more thing... inmates should be hanged...forgot that one for the moment. That's about it, unless there is anything else others can remember.

In the meantime I have to say that I do lament the lack of the great debates here of late. Perhaps we are meant to have them elsewhere...maybe even have them in our own communities where each of us has an opportunity to make a real difference at a local level.

OK Spuds, seems you are agin the OCB resurrection. Nonetheless, there were interesting times in his/her day. :)

Sorta miss the ol' Gannet....

Didn't he go off and start his own forum somewhere?

The Gannet is still to be found in other places, Mac the Knife, if you like, I will pm you a link.

OCB was a law unto himself wasn't he? There were one or two others like him but they ended up getting themselves permanently deleted for their lack of control but I'm not sure if that happened to OCB or if he just wandered off ... into the desert maybe?

We did have a forum for debates, rainbow but it turned out that those who were loudest in their demands for such a place were among those who also abused it the most and ... again ... something interesting was lost to Jet Blast.

Dunno if I'd like OCB back though, he didn't so much debate as stand in a corner screaming at everyone. :uhoh:

Did someone mention OCB?? The Jet-Blast from the past?

yep, whatever happened to that hammer headed contruversial sort...

Did I say 'Garnet'? Must have been thinking of Alf...which is a tad worrying. Forgive me The Gannet where ever you are. Hope all is well with you and yours.

BTW, I notice my 300 posts up near my 4th anniversary, as it were. Not terribly prolific, but I see others have fewer over longer. JudyT for one. Not that quantity is the only measure.

(Hi Judy. Incidentally, if you are Texan, one of your compatriots from Houston borrowed fifty bucks from me and then skipped town. His name is Michael and he is a driller. If you see him will you ask him to give me a call? Thanks. Does someone want to start a thread about great acts of disloyalty...dishonoured debts...friends who abuse...that sort of thing?)

So just wanted to say thanks to everyone for several enjoyable and educational years and I wish for many more.

Particular thanks to The Moderators and of course Boss Danny.

Constant Nagging? Err, ok, please enlighten me Well Binos...I might also call it bitchin' and you admitted it yourself in a message just above mine, although the word occasionally is kinda understatement lately: "(A very close cyber friend accused me the other night of occasionally being bitchy on here. After the initial shock I realised she was quite right, so I may as well live up to it.)"

Usually I don't bother critizising other people personally, but you used to be rather cool....

Hey Judy - good to see you back around these parts! :ok: When are you going to hitch another ride over the pond with McD?

No problems, Captain Kaos, I've never had any problem with you. The post to which you refer asked for examples of constant nagging. With due respect, you didn't provide that. I'll happily accept that I can be bitchy, I can be all sorts of horrible things, but constant nagging? If you have evidence, let me have it. Other people on this forum will attest that I can be extremely humble when found guilty of various things. I don't claim to be perfect.

I remain your humble servant.

Binos

Binos, as the Thais say: "Mai Bpen Rai" (never mind). Just wanted to ventilate my surprise about your ongoing pas-de-deux with BD about a certain female member who, as far as I can see, has left the building already for quite some time and your unusual personal jabs which seem so common these days instead of adressing the issue with your Ozzy refreshing common sense. Well, time to have a Bex ;)

No wuckers Kaos. Said female got more than her share of attacks in before "leaving". I maintain she's still around. If it makes me bitchy to point outher shortcomings I'll plead guilty.

Don't worry Binos, I won't mention the goat.

sep

PPRuNe forums as they were in early 1999... (http://web.archive.org/web/19990220001530/pprune.org/cgibin/Ultimate.cgi) :D

Do they call me Binos the Controller? Do they call me Binos the golfer? No. But phark one goat......... :(

Just wanted to ventilate my surprise about your ongoing pas-de-deux with BD ...
I'm surprised at your surprise, Kaos. I know that I have disagreed with Binos in the past as I have with plenty of others but why would you be surprised to find that he could agree with me or I with him? If both of us (and others) happen to be well p*ssed off about the same thing then it is hardly surprising that we are found to be in accord on that subject.

I am curious also as to the "pas de deux" (assuming you mean that other thread) to which you refer. I replied directly to Binos once as I also did to Jerricho's MIL, Fester and Taildragger (could have been twice to Fester). Binos replied once to me. Other posters also directed comments to each other.

On this thread, I have replied once each to Fester, Mac the Knife and rainbow but not directly to Binos. Perhaps you could explain how you arrive at your conclusion.

BlueDiamond.

For crying out loud, Just for once could you just shut the :mad::mad::mad::mad: up.

Who? Moi???? :{ :{

Well BD, I'm surprised that you are surprised I was surprised, let me tell you.......For crying out loud, just for once can you just shut the :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: up .... ooops, sorry ma'am :O

Can we have OCB back...? :(

as I also did to Jerricho's MIL

See, now that just encourages her.

I wonder which parallel universe Captain Ed currently inhabits?

$> man woman
$> Segmentation fault (core dumped)

Rainbow...the next Michael I see, I'll have him call you... ;)

Biggles! :) I'm getting my water wings ready... Just in case! ;)

"There's no place like home"..."There's no place like home"..."There's no place like PPRuNe" :D

It really is a lot quieter in here than it was before. A lot of the daytime regulars seem to be lying low - there are also far fewer 'trivia' threads than previously. I don't mind admitting to starting a number of these in the past and perhaps those of us with too much time on our hands (particularly during the day) are thinking twice now.

Must say I'm missing the mods though...:{

Must say I'm missing the mods though...
One could've said that too :{ :{

Must say I'm missing the mods though...This place doesn't seem right without them does it? It has certainly lost something special. :( :{

So when are we getting them back Danny? :confused: :hmm: :ok:

DX, I've already alluded to this before, but maybe Danny really should consider this:

Introduce a €10 a year subscription charge to all 78,000 members. Whilst allowing anyone to read forums, only members would be allowed to post, perhaps with an exception for R&N. There shouldn't be any important negative effects...?!

This would be combined with a PPRuNe IPO of say 40% of the shares (Danny would keep 40%, the banks 5%, airship 5% and reserve the other 10% for the mods etc.) in PPRuNe. Anyone taking out a 1st years subscription charge of €10 would automatically entitle the subcriber to a minimum 1/78,000th of the IPO, more if there are fewer subscribers...hehehe!

Combined, these initiatives should result:

in making Danny a paper-millionaire;
PPRuNe having sufficient funds to employ all our favourite mods, ensure that we have super-fast servers etc.;
the funds to take the PPRuNe concept into other domains, thus giving us share-holders the potential of a return on our investments...

Please, could I be chairman of the bored for at least a year?

All comments welcome...
:O

errr, *ahem*.... about this 5% to airship? :confused: :confused:

Binos, please reserve your questions for the AGM...:O

As anybody acquainted with listed companies knows, Airship, those sorts of embarrassing questions at AGM's can be completely avoided for a fairly nominal sum...... :}

Bring back the mods. I liked their dashes of colour and style.

"....or Has Jet Blast Changed"

Sure has. I gave that "Thread That Cannot be Named" <24 hours and it was locked a lot sooner than that.

Bring back Flaps before we all die of boredom......she'd have stopped any farting in church smartly enough !!

Yes I also miss our Three Mods but perhaps they don't miss us.

Is this the start of a campaign ?

Bring back the Pink ,Blue and red moderators i say :D

Just visiting http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/liebe/love-smiley-058.gif...

Hmm, I sense another "this is my sandpit; if you don't like it , piss off" lecture coming..... :8

Hmmmm....

I seem to remember when Flaps, FlyBlue and Wholi were appointed Mods in here there was an outcry about how JB had changed....

Seems some peeps are never happy.

I'm with Binos. It's not so much fun is it?

yes it is. what are you talking about???

airhag are you mad??? in a word----- YES! We're mad because we miss the fun we used to have with them :{ and I think Danny will also soon be missing them when the future Mrs Captain PPRuNe marries him and he suddenly finds himself with even less time on his hands for doing the modding bit and probably having too much fun too:E

You can't have enough fun without THREE individuals? I think you're just jumping on the bandwagon. That happens a lot around here.

They're not still welcome to post here anyway?

Now you are free to say whatever you want. That sounds like more fun to me than puerile discussions about "Where have all the swallowers gone??" :mad: or "interesting relatives" KeeeeRIST....!! Poms!! :rolleyes: :yuk: :oh:

And what's more, it now looks like swearing is a free for all..... :ok:

yeah baby!

Whi is this "air-hag" moo?

(apart from flamebait that is)

------------------------------

My Karma ran over your Dogma

The air hag moo is one of those who didn't get the Tri Nations Cup this year....










....I think.........:E :ok:

and probably having too much fun too

Make the most of it Danny, its all downhill now...:(

No disrespect to Flaps, Flyblue and co' who did a very good job with intelligence, grace and wit, But you are all acting like little lost sheep baaing away looking for their mums - What is wrong with some of you?

Baaa baaa baa baaaaaa baaa

:rolleyes:

TamedBill - many of us in here use JB for light hearted discussion, jokes, wind-ups, and actually for making friends - many avoiding conflict particularly in the occasional religious and political debates. ;) . Flaps, FlyBlue and Wholigan are, to a good number of JB'ers friends who participate in the repartee, whilst sometimes exercising a little 'discipline' to those miscreants who take things a little too far.

Many JB regulars are missing them, I can assure you. Those three people contribute much to this forum, and their current lack of participation is a sad loss.

Are they not allowed to post then?

:rolleyes:

Are they not allowed to post then?
Yes, but it's not quite as straight forward as that.

Can you enlighten us all then as to why?.........you seem to be 'In the know'.

I was chatting about it, Tamedbill, with Freud the other day. Sigi, I said, wassamarra? He trilled:

Momma don't turn your back on me
Momma see what you've done to me
There's nothin' left of me.

Or something. Air-hag would understand.

I think I understand too.......................

Carefull Mr Rugz, there are Australian chaps on this site.
:rolleyes:

Must say, that despite my grumbles about how this forum has changed, some of you are begining to sound worryingly sad! Let us get things into perspective shall we?

Nobody has died, PPRuNe ain't falling out of cyberspace and my willy still works. Things could be a helluva lot worse!

VFE.

Now you are free to say whatever you want. That sounds like more fun to me than puerile discussions about "Where have all the swallowers gone??" or "interesting relatives" KeeeeRIST....!! Poms!!

And what's more, it now looks like swearing is a free for all..... Really? :E :E :E Wonder what Danny will have to say to that? :hmm:

No prob, DX, he'll just wind back a few decades:

Oh, my pa-pa, to me he was so wonderful
Oh, my pa-pa, to me he was so good
No one could be, so gentle and so lovable
Oh, my pa-pa, he always understood.

Davaar he'll just wind back a few decades The thought of Danny as a toddler running around causing the usual toddler mayhem is not something to be contemplated :uhoh: :ugh: The mind boggles! :\

Funny Really,

I just logged on after a 5 week absence and it feels like eh, someone has died or something. Jetblast now has the feeling of a Kids Sunday School Picnic or something.

I am not at all surprised to find a thread of this nature.

I suppose after all the censorship and restrictions on freedom of expression, something had to give.

Pity really.

On the other hand, maybe everybody is off on their Summer Hols and the fun will start again soon.

:ugh: :( :ugh:

Here 'tis (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=127167&highlight=speakers) :ok:

Thanx Oneword,

However, all I can find is a closed down version of Speakers Corner 1V with the last contribution made by BillHicks referring to the Bus Bomb in Israel.

I have read the post several times and can find nothing controversial. Although it is fairly meaningless, It is balanced and states only the facts along with an expression of sympathy for the deaths of the innocents.

The thread was closed down without comment after this.

Has the dolly finally been thrown out of the pram ???

No its not changed !!!!

My thread disappears ( again) and my Aunty Mary's have gone.:{ :{ :{

TIM

One thunk you missed the summer episode of the series, when Danny closed JB for two days and moderated by himself.

One'd say that JB has indeed changed twice, hence you don't see anything new,as it's back to the pre-summer state of affairs.
:rolleyes:

Having said that, one's looking for a safe place where to hide one's mother's sister's lottery winnings

I know where to find you puddy tat :E

:uhoh:

Ok, for some reason Danny closes JB for two days and moderates by himself, now Speakers Corner is nowhere to be found.

Surely somene can throw some light on this for me. My five weeks of absence was enforced due to travel/work commitments.

As a Prooner of several years standing I would be very interested to hear either publicly or by PM what the hell has been going on.

Thanx El G.

El GrifoI would be very interested to hear ......... what the hell has been going on.
Flaps has been looking after her sick teenagers.
Flyblue has been to the PPRuNe Health Farm,
Wholi has been learning to fly a Wright Flyer
Danny has been indulging himself in a little bit of nostalgia by returning to the days when he was the sole moderator of PPRuNe :ok:

I thought Wholi got his Wright Flyer type rating when he helped Wilbur & Orville to build it? :p

BFU not this one! This is a modern version and even trickier to handle than the original - or so I hear :ok:

El Grifo ... the Speakers' Corner thread was closed because of "ongoing circular arguments." I don't know if it has actually been deleted or just allowed to slide down the pages.

Mutiny (http://www.freespeech.com/) :E

The unfortunate thing is, that within the so called "circular arguments" were some real pearls of wisdom, the likes of which are often only dredged up along with gravel and dirt.

If one was selective enough and paid attention to was actually being said instead of trying to interpret what was being said in the light of ones own agenda, then valuable insights could be gained.

In between the polarisation of viewpoints, often dearly held, real glints of knowledge could be obtained.

I subscribe to no other forum and only do to this one, because in the main, it is populated by reasonably well educated adults with interesting viewpoints on life on this little blue globe.

It is unfortunate that for commercial and other reasons, certain subjects remained taboo, things occasionally got out of hand, but never to the extent that real damage was done.

Current affairs and the state of the planet are not everyones cup of tea, but to the afficionados, Jet Blast was certainly a fine place to discuss them.

Lets hope things return to "normal" with all haste..

:( :confused: :(

Don't hold your breath, I'm afraid.

I agree with your point about finding pearls of wisdom, and the signal to noise ratio is generally a lot higher here than on other fora. If things did get heated, that is entirely normal, and mature and intelligent adults are able to recognise it. I don't think there is one participant in the current affairs thread that I wouldn't like to raise a glass with some day, even the ones whose views appal me. As long as those views are arrived at following intelligent thought processes, they have as much validity as anybody else's.

I often wonder why even a shouting match is not left to run its course: as long as it doesn't degenerate into personal insult swapping or racist abuse, what's the worst that can happen?

I find the bandwidth argument a bit difficult to swallow, given the souffle-like fodder that comprises most of JB, but at the end of the day, we abide by the rules or we go elsewhere. Shame really.
:(

It would be interesting to hear the views of "The Firm" on this subject.

Have we seen the last of open debate on Current Affairs, or are we still permitted to open threads randomly, rather than in a "Speakers Corner" type area, on such subjects.

Any input would be very welcome.

Eh, that'll be a "NO" then, will it ??

El Grifo

maybe you should wait a bit more than 24 hours

or are we still permitted to open threads randomly, rather than in a "Speakers Corner" type area, on such subjects

There are currently two threads running (Empire & WWII), so maybe it's possible as long as speakers behave, which seems to be the case.

But this only my opinion of course.

Eh, that'll be a "NO" then, will it ??Maybe if you had a life and let the boss get married in peace over this weekend you wouldn't be so bleedin' impatient. I mean, after all, you only end up arguing the same old sh:t over and over again. :rolleyes:

As has been alluded, patience is a virtue! There are 2 "interesting" threads running as we speak, and - who knows - more may well come along as people start to realise that debates are indeed possible without resorting to personal abuse and/or thread drift in order to make some nebulous point about your own favourite fetish.

And anyway, who made you "Emperor of PPRuNe" such that you can demand to have your questions answered by return of mail???

Good luck Danny and Mrs Fyne :D

I hope it goes well and the boyz aren't too nasty to you on Sunday :E

What’s wrong Mr. Diprat, did the wife keep you in on Saturday night and you had to resort to Prooning.

Quote: - "And anyway, who made you "Emperor of PPRuNe" such that you can demand to have your questions answered by return of mail???


Classic example of severe extrapolation methinks and a fine example of one of the worst aspects of the forum, i.e. forcing words into the mouths of others.

No empirical notions and no demands made, simply a request for a clarification of any structural changes which may have been made in my 5 week absence and a reiterating of that request 23 hours later. How could I possibly know that our Dear Leader had chosen this of all weekends to get hitched?

To the "Intelligence Agent" I would say, read my earlier posting further up the thread, relating to circular arguments and the like.

Lighten up a little gents !!

There are 2 "interesting" threads running as we speak, and - who knows - more may well come along

WOOHOO!!!:}

Has JB changed? In my humble opinion like much around us it is a constantly evolving organism and will be in a constant state of flux. Yes there have been periods when debates were much sharper and comments tended to have a slightly keener edge when they did degenerate into spats. In our very PC and getting more so by the minute world, it appears that getting into a shouting match is frowned on. I would have thought that here was the one safe spot to do a bit of airing of personal opinions and then being told that they are absolute cr*p. If the teller put forward a good reason for his rebuttal then it was up to the gang to either support one side or tother or just stand back and watch the sparks fly. It becomes rapidly obvious even to the simplest observer who is making the most sense, and in some cases this might even have been the ruder of the two. Our mods were stars and very good referees, this is a grand place and my thanks have allways gone out to Danny and his gang for providing such na sterling place for us all to hang out.