26th Aug 2004, 09:21
I took this from EFTs website with regard to doing their IR......
As holder of a CPL, the course duration is 50 hours of instruction, ten of which are conducted in our state-of-the-art Flight/Navigation Procedure Traininer, which is a latest-generation FNPTII simulation model. For a PPL, the course duration is 55 hours. You may choose to conduct initial training at our USA or European base, although the final flight test must always be completed in UK airspace to comply with the aviation authority's requirements.
I know I might sound a bit thick asking this, but.......can I do an IR without doing the CPL???
If so, what is the point?
Thanks and sorry if it's a thick question!
26th Aug 2004, 09:42
The point, is so they can fly IFR.
Not everyone wants to be a professional pilot.
26th Aug 2004, 09:54
You can do a IR without a CPL, like Bruce88 has stated not everyone wants to be a pro pilot. You need to complete 7 IR (or 14 ATPL) exams and have 50 hours P1 to commence the course. It will then enable you to fly IFR. You get 5 hours off the course if you have a CPL.
26th Aug 2004, 10:45
Slightly off topic but.......
Is there any benefit in doing your IMC ahead of ATPL ?
26th Aug 2004, 10:55
If you mean 'is there any benefit to doing an IMC before the I/R' then I would say yes. It introduces you to items such as understanding STAR/SIDs, flying holds, precision and non-precision approaches, recovery from unusual attitudes using instruments alone.
I don't think it will help the flying, but it will make things more familiar.
Before you ask, there is no reduction in the hours for the I/R if you hold an IMC.
26th Aug 2004, 11:02
Appreciate your help, many thanks
26th Aug 2004, 13:47
Ahhhh...... I see.
26th Aug 2004, 20:25
Before you ask, there is no reduction in the hours for the I/R if you hold an IMC.This is true.
However, if you happen to hold an IMC, and want to get an IR with the minimum number of hours, there is a short-cut you can take. Although your IMC training does not entitle you to a reduction in the hours for a JAR IR, it does count towards an FAA IR, ironic as that sounds. In theory, an IMC holder should be able to get an FAA IR, and then convert that to a JAR IR, all for less total hours than it would take to get the JAR IR to start with. I don't know anyone who's taken this approach, which is why I say "in theory", but it's something I'm looking into for myself for next year.
Don't do an FAA IR and then expect to convert it to JAA in the 15hrs. This is the MINIMUM requirement. Unless you're flying IFR most of the time you will not get it done in 15hrs.
The 15hr conversion is usually allmost 50% of the cost of a whole JAA 55hr course. Remember extra hours in the air are about £350 per hr!! (False economy)
Inst flying in the states is very different to UK.
Do everything in the US, APART from the IR!