Shamrock back in to Liverpool

[ezy733]

Its been rumoured on another site that Aer Lingus are to return to Liverpool John Lennon Airport.
I have e-mailed them and they have confirmed starting in October:ok: :ok: :ok:

[mikekilo]

Controversial! .... yet another Ryanair route, in the space of 3 months, that Aer Lingus has decided to trow its hat onto (Bristol being the other one).

Will be interesting to see if Ryanair react to this development... Dublin - Liverpool is certainly one of their more profitable Ireland-UK routes.

[SNNEI]

If this is true, it's a very confident "stand and fight" from Aer Lingus. This route is crying out for some competition anyway. Perhaps, I've been unlucky, but I've never got a decent fare with FR on this route and always ended up flying in to MAN instead.

[dwlpl]

As SNNEI says the Liverpool to Dublin route needs competition because Ryanair appear to think that they can do as they please and the passengers will still turn up.

The route averages more than 20000 passengers per month and this summer brings awful departure times (especially for onward travel connections to the US for instance) ex Liverpool of 1030/1250/2225.

Hopefully Aer Lingus will bring Liverpool an early morning departure at least.

[fox_trot_oscar]

....the best of luck to them, but I don't know where they're gonna park it...! Perhaps the airport will finally concede that 1 average size passenger bus is not enough for the significant number of decent sized based aircraft there (easy alone have 8 x 149 seat B733 and 737s...) versus the number of contact stands... but I won't hold my breath!

FO
:hmm:

[dwlpl]

If some/all of the 'rumoured' services (10*easyJet based aircraft for example) come to fruition then Liverpool Airport will have to bring forward the planned extension/new terminal.

[Jet A1]

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Regards

[mikekilo]

Its confirmed... Aer Lingus are back on the Liverpool route in October.. along with some other new route openings;

Snippet from their website;

Aer Lingus today announced the introduction of four new routes from Dublin to Europe in its winter schedule this year. This expansion brings to seventeen the number of new routes introduced in 2004, and supports the airline's growing European operation to and from Ireland.

Services to Liverpool, Las Palmas, Lanzarote and Budapest will start at the end of October 2004.

The airline will operate a daily service to Liverpool, while flights to Budapest will operate four days a week - on Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday. A weekly service on Saturdays will operate to and from Lanzarote and Las Palmas.

[leonbrumsack]

Apologies for moving off topic, but does anybody have a URL for a website like the two above just for easyJet flights?

Thanks!

Leon

[ALLMCC]

Whilst Aer Lingus' return to LPL is welcome, they are proposing only 1 daily sector as opposed to Ryanairs 3 x daily - are Ryanair likely to be worried?

[MerchantVenturer]

ALMCC

Aer Lingus have done the same thing at BRS. In March they re-commenced the DUB-BRS route but with only one lunchtime rotation per day (operated by a B 737-500) in competition with Ryanair's three daily rotations.

Even more strange is that their rotation arrives and departs almost at the same time as Ryanair's lunchtime rotation. I have seen them fly past my house on approach almost in line astern on some days.

I don't know how well Aer Lingus are doing on this route. A couple of months after they started, BAcX (who code shared the route with Aer Lingus) withdrew their two daily ERJ 145 rotations.

[Cyrano]

MV:

I would guess EI's network planner may be looking at it this way:

"OK, I want to increase the aircraft utilisation, and I've got a gap of 3 hours between an aircraft coming back from a prime-time morning rotation and a prime-time evening rotation, so I can't send it very far [1 hr out, 30 min on the ground, 1 hr back], but I don't need an extra crew as the morning crew can do it. It'll be a once-daily lunchtime service, so this won't be anything strategic, and the yield will be pretty low as we'll miss out on the business traffic, but is there anywhere within an hour's flying time where we can nonetheless make enough money to cover the flight-variable costs, and maybe take a bit of revenue off our dear friend Michael at the same time...?"

C.

[hotline]

First Bristol, then Liverpool. How about Leeds Bradford ? This is another route that EIN used to do with F50s a few years ago before they off loaded it to BACX with a code share. EIN aircraft always punctual and immaculately turned out. When BACX disappeared from LBA the route went too, leaving just Ryanair's old bangers. I dare say there's enough traffic to support a loco and a 'quality operator'. Time will tell. EIN have left LBA and returned before...:ok:

[minuteman]

Let's add NCL, EMA, and LGW to that list!

Many times there was 30+ execs out of NCL (and that was on the FK50!)

This renewed interest in the UK market is not that surprising, despite management's repeated bleating about how there is no money to be made, yields are down, blah blah blah..... :zzz:

[dwlpl]

The timings for the Liverpool/Dublin Aer Lingus service:

Sunday to Friday
EI294
dep DUBLIN 1230 arr LIVERPOOL 1315

EI295
dep LIVERPOOL 1340 arr DUBLIN 1425


Saturday
EI292
dep DUBLIN 1145 arr LIVERPOOL 1230

EI293
dep LIVERPOOL 1300 arr DUBLIN 1345

All flights are to use 737-500

[MarkD]

But once again as with BRS, how are EI going to fill a 320 on these routes?

Even FR has a few 732s for small routes - when the 735s go the 320s are a big capacity increase.

[minuteman]

Hey Mark, don't you remember how long it took to "retire" the 1-11s?

The 737 might be around for a while yet...