FTO Survey

[Supersonic_desk]

Hi Pilots!

As you can see with my nic, I'm only "operating" a desk right now, so, guess I meet the wannabee criterias perfectly.

Since I'm about to finsh my study, I've been looking for themes for my degree dissertation and found something I thought would be very interesting: I would like to compare the major european FTO's for the quality of their training, their costs and the chances of getting "their" students into a right seat somewhere.

I already got some professional advice on what to look for and how to weigh the criterias, but I still think I missed some FTO's, which is why I would need your help to find the schools which you think are worth looking at.

If you have any information or web adresses of training companies with at least 40 to 50 ATPL students annually, you would really do me a big favor.

Thanks a lot & always happy landings
supersonic_desk

[Supersonic_desk]

yeah, I see your point!

But is there no one arround, who could me a little? :sad:

greets from the desk

[Supersonic_desk]

Hi guys!

Since nobody wanted to post a message, which I understand, because it is time consuming, perhaps there are people around, who could just "nod or shake" their heads on the information I have:

BAe Systems Adelaide is doing the ab initio training for Cathey, Emirates and some more airlines on top.

KLS trains a 120 ab initio student pilots for KLM every year.
Is NLS still a factor?

PTN (Intercockpit) educates some 100 student pilots a year in Zadar, Kroatia on Catana Airplanes. Costs 69000€ Not related to any airline.

Lufthansa Flight Training is the exclusive contractor for all future Lufthansa pilots. Currently 120 a year, partly sponsored by the airline, students to pay 40000€.

RWL different modular and integrated courses, practical training done in Florida at Flight Safety, costs ~50000€. CCC Training possible. Not related to any airline.

Oxford Aviation, up to a 150 students a year. Do they train at flight training europe in Jerez?

CTC McAlpine. Sponsorships by easyjet and TCUK. Uses Katanas and Beechs... Costs??

Delta Connection Academy, as posted on their website, they are said to have a capacity of 750 students a year!!! Related to the delta regional network. Anybody any further information?

Sabena Flight Academy has a subsidary with an other fto somewhere in Scottsdale, doesn't it? Not airline related anymore...

AeronautX austria....

So since I don't want to bore you, I stop this overview here and would like to ask you:
- Which big schools did I forget??
- Which information are true/wrong?
- Do you anything you think I might need to know?

I would really need your help, so appreciate any answer!!

Best rgrds!

[machonepointone]

Supersonic,

"Oxford Aviation, up to a 150 students a year. Do they train at flight training europe in Jerez?"

Do you mean "does Oxford train at Jerez?" If so, then definitely not. Flight Training Europe does its own courses and will shortly be taking on some students sponsored by Britannia. In addition there are some GAPAN sponsored students as well as self sponsored.

[Supersonic_desk]

yes, that was, what I thought, so thanks for the advice!

That there will be sponsored student pilots at oxford, is a very valuable info for me too, because without it, my ranking would end up being incorrect, since I try to take those things into account.

Every bit really helps me!
:ok: thx!

[machonepointone]

Supersonic,

I was referring to sponsored students at Flight Training Europe. I cannot say whether or not Oxford has any sponsored students.

[scroggs]

I would be interested to know how you intend to assess the quality of these schools' training. What criteria are you using? Who will judge how those criteria are met? What objective observers can you field that will visit each and every one of these schools and rate them against your chosen criteria? What specialist knowledge of the business of flight training can you utilise to lend your study credibilty?

Without such objective, knowledgeable comparison, your dissertation will simply be a list of the schools and the facilities they claim to offer. Using the opinions of students that have attended the schools is subjective and intrinsically inaccurate, unless your chosen contributors have attended a significant proportion of the schools you mention. Unlikely, I think!

Scroggs

[Supersonic_desk]

Hi Scroggs,

I can very well understand your doubts, as quality comparisons are pretty difficult in this business, because there simply is the problem of comparing i.e. the experience of two instructor pilots or the quality of the theory training.

So this is what I'm intending to do: I have one partner/friend who is an expert in financial things and one who is airline pilot. Together we worked out criteria to take a deeper look into different trainings offered, down to a level where we're planning to evaluate the place where the practical training is conducted. This is to compare traffic density (preparation for real life) and the near-by offered facilities, i.e. the number of available training airports with IFR Approaches (variety). Moreover we would like to see, if there are any sponsorships with airlines or if the graduate has better chances with his applications, just because of a more airline related, standardized training.

So hopefully, at the end we will not have a ranking, but an objective overview of ways, how all those schools lead their students to the ATP License.

Hope I could answer your questions satisfyingly! Would really like to get more of your opinions or some information on where you completed your training and which school you think would be interesting to take a look at!

Best regards!