Rates of Pay

[TubularBells]

Hi all,

I am currently building a business case for funding the ATPL modules and as part of it, I need to include some general examples of first officer pay rates. I've had a look around on some of the airline web sites, but it seems that EasyJ is the only site willing to part with the information!

I've also had a good hunt around PPrune, but can't seem to find any info regarding this.

Can anyone give me a rough idea of what a pilot can expect in pay range on a per annum for the following (forgive me if the terminology is incorrect!):

First Officer Jet Turbine
First Officer Turbine Prop
Other Multi-engined role (i.e Air taxi) or similar

I remember someone mentioning that the regionals pay in the region of £12-14,000p.a for a turbine prop job, I think it might have been flybe?

Any names would also be helpful, as I need to try and give direct examples.

All and any help gratefully received.

Many thanks!

TB. :ok:

[eire_boy]

Hi TB

Have a look at www.ppjn.com (http://www.ppjn.com) for approx pay\benefits for flight crew, it breaks the info down by Jet\Turbo etc.

As an example, BA Citiexpress (http://www.bacitiexpressjobs.com/) are recruiting at the moment with a starting salary of UK£20,000 plus £1.50 p/h flight pay.

Try a search for more examples, good luck with the funding:)
eb

[redsnail]

Night Freight in a Shorts 360.
14K per annum. 1 quid per hour flight pay.
You *should* make about 2K in allowances/flight pay.

I don't know if you still have to pay for the rating (probably), expect to pay ~ 8K for a Shorts 330/360.
Your training pay is 7K pro rata. Note, you only get paid while you're line training, not during the endorsement (if it's the pay for rating deal).
Line training lasts 2-3 weeks depending.
The pay *should* go up to 16K after 6 months but I don't know how the current contracts pan out.
You'll need a current driver's licence as you'll be expected to use hire cars to position yourself to where the aircraft is or to get yourself back to your home base. (duty length dependent)
You'll also be expected to use your own phone if the other crew member doesn't have a company phone.

[TubularBells]

Many thanks eire_boy, that site has been exactly what I've been looking for!:D

Redsnail, many thanks for the reply, makes for interesting reading! I've got a knackered old G reg Escort that will do just the job, I'll make sure I hold onto it!;)

Are you doing night freight on the shorts at the moment? What's it like? I can remember getting the shorts 360 across to the Jersey many moons ago as a pax. Very stange looking thing, what's it like to fly?

TB.

[BEagle]

An intersting snippet which puts things into context rather:

"London Underground drivers, it seems, earn the not entirely negligible sum of £27,656 a year after training with 43 days of holiday (that would be 6 weeks then) and a couple of other benefits (like free travel for partners). And this for a job which, as one Imperial College student put it, could basically be done by a monkey."

[ChocksAwayUK]

<kevin> "So unfair!" </kevin>

but pilots get to fly aeroplanes! :ok:

[redsnail]

Night freight.

Out of it now, off to do something else. It's a pretty good learning experience especially if you do a winter or two. Most of the flying is at night so that is very useful for the ATPL lic requirement. The Shed itself is a doddle to fly. No real vices but getting long in the tooth now so some entertaining systems failures will occur. This does make you think and give you stuff to talk about in interviews.
It's all 2 crew so that's useful. You'll fly at the flight levels where all the ****ty crappy wx occurs and only fly to Cat 1 standards. Gets you thinking about alternates and minimas etc. Most of it is hand flying, autopilots take up valuable freight weight. Some don't have GPSs so you're back to good old VOR/NDB/good guess navigation.

You'll find out pretty quickly that you're just a tool for management to earn money with. Cost them any thing and they won't like it.

it is worth it for the experience. Just don't stay there too long.

[Capt. Manuvar]

TubularBells,
When I applied for mine, i downloaded the first page of PPJN (to show the state of the industry) and about 5 other company specific pages, from the same site, that i would qualify for . I only put the juicy jet jobs to make my application look good, the aim is to sell yourelf.
Good Luck
Capt. M

[TubularBells]

Thanks Redsnail, "the shed" is much more apt!:D Sounds like a good experience and just the sort of thing I'll be looking for. I just want to get buried in it to start with. The way I feel at the moment after 4 years of waiting to begin the training, I'd fly a tin bucket at night through the Antarctic if someone will pay for it!

Capt. Manuvar thanks. I've done exactly that. Lots of positive information to prove I'll be a valid customer for the future:} Let's hope they don't see through the smoke screen! Or even better, let's hope I prove myself right and strike it lucky!

all the best,

TB.:ok: