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maxalt
9th Mar 2004, 22:32
Anyone got any info on this new start airline?

Jet Green (http://www.flyjetgreen.com/home/index.php)

hobie
10th Mar 2004, 00:18
trade mark registration ........... Jet Green Airways ltd

http://www.patent.gov.uk/tm/tmj/journals/6504/domestic/2343293.html

Scottish Flyer
10th Mar 2004, 00:34
Equipment appears to be 757 and flight numbers have an FI prefix - looks like some tie up with Icelandair.

B727
10th Mar 2004, 04:49
Mmmmm this sounds all very Freshair'ish, what do you think ??

FlyingV
10th Mar 2004, 20:24
Despite the impression given by their website, they're just a tour operator. But at least they're licenced.

http://www.aviationreg.ie/downloads/toper.pdf (on page 6)

The only way to contact them is via a 1580 number at €1.90/min.

I'm still a bit suspicious.

lowfaresbuster
10th Mar 2004, 20:48
a whois look-up for www.flygreen.ie (which redirects to www.flyjetgreen.com) shows 2 names:
John Lepp & Noel McDermot.
_________________________________

% Rights restricted by copyright; http://www.domainregistry.ie/copyright.html
% Do not remove this notice

domain: jetgreen.ie
descr: JETGREEN AIRWAYS LIMITED
descr: BODY CORPORATE (LTD,PLC,COMPANY)
descr: Corporate Name
admin-c: AAO001-IEDR
tech-c: AAA967-IEDR
nserver: DNS1.IEINTERNET.NET
nserver: DNS2.IEINTERNET.NET
source: IEDR

person: John Lepp
nic-hdl: AAO001-IEDR
source: IEDR

person: Noel McDermott
nic-hdl: AAA967-IEDR
source: IEDR




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John Lepp is the (former) Chief Executive of FreshAer (according to this article in the Sunday Business Post that I dug up SBP Article (http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2003/08/03/story987180538.asp)

The Irish Companies Website www.cro.ie doesn't give too much info for free.... if there is some-one out there with access to an irish Compnay database such as vision-net/irion, maybe they could shed some light on who the Directors may be...

Toulouse
10th Mar 2004, 21:36
Yeah, just heard the new airline being announced on the news on the radio, creating 50 new jobs for Dublin. They'll have to hurry anyway as their web site claims flights start at the beginning of May.

Anyway I just could resist sharing this with you. I saw it on their web page under first class service:

"Dress Code
First Class passengers, including children, are required to observe our strict dress code which is smart-casual (no jeans, shorts, t-shirts, trainers, sandals, beach or sports-wear.)"

BRILLINAT isn't it?? What, a throw back to First class travel in the 50's?

So, will economy passengers wearing jeans or other such clothing have to board through the rear of the a/c? Just so as not to offend any of Jet Green Airway's esteemed first class passengers?

And the poor cabin crew, they'll be told, don't bother checking the boarding passes, just inspect their clothes!?!

And what happens to the first class passenger wearing for example a pair of Calvin Klein which cost him/her €150? Will he/she be donw-graded to Get Green's "Standard" class? While the gentleman wearing the €15 grey slacks from M&S can take his first class seat?? Come on...

And all this on a holiday flight? Probably why they're advertising €1 fares for first 12 bookings on each flight. This is probable for the poor first class passengers... they'll get their booking confirmation with a note saying, "Congratulation on your €1 first class booking from Dublin to Malaga. To entitle you to travel on your flight, you mist bring proof (receipt) of your purchase of new clothing just for your flight with us of a value of at least €500".

Haha!

lowfaresbuster
10th Mar 2004, 23:02
An asscoiate just looked up the details of the directors of JetGreen. These include Erig Conway (former commercial directoer of freshaer) and Jim Duggan (former head pilot of freshaer)

FlyingIrishman
11th Mar 2004, 03:22
That's interesting! The last I heard of Jim Duggan after he left Ryanair was that he went to Astraeus together with his daughter. I never knew he was involved in FreshAer either.

SNNEI
11th Mar 2004, 06:01
I smell some Willy walsh inspired treachery here... on the day Aerlingus announce a fantastic set of results (albeit with a qualifier about "increasing low fare competition") This is suddenly brought to attention in the Dublin airport forum?? Are these two routes not some of Aerlingus's star performers?

Dont believe a word of it...

Interesting too that Aerlingus has said it's following the Jet Blue model and now here we have a carrier called Jet Green...

Too many little co-incidences for my liking..

But, as always where new services are concerned, I hope to be proved wrong..

flyerbae146
11th Mar 2004, 21:52
Just been checking on this new carrier start up out of dublin. flyjetgreen.com anyone know whose behind it. Theyre starting on agp and alc. Interesting to see what Ryan n Shamrock will do.

Anyone know what happened to bmi charter program this year ex dublin seems to be non existant for the summer

cheers

silverhawk
11th Mar 2004, 22:48
that would be who's, not whose
..and your point is?

loewy
11th Mar 2004, 23:20
Wholeheartedly good luck to them !!

If they stick to their mission (fair prices with high service), they are in fo success : there is no competition in Dublin against that. One airline who treats their customers like cattle and a flag carrier that follows the same path, cancelling all its in-flight service.

MayorQuimby
12th Mar 2004, 00:50
Aren't you very clever silverhawk? By the way, you're supposed to start sentences with capitals and end with a full stop. :rolleyes:

CCR
12th Mar 2004, 01:34
CityJet also operate a route to AGP from Dublin. That will make it 4 scheduled airlines on the route this summer. Expect a lot of cheap seats!!!

Lite
12th Mar 2004, 02:38
I don't really think that this new idea will work, and whilst I know that people do say this everytime someone comes up with a new idea, a number of airlines "promising something new & different" vanish from the air space as quickly as they arrived with the whirl-wind of publicity.

High quality service with low fares has been tried before in the UK & Ireland - Debonair. It failed miserably because of a bad cost base which didn't allow it to keep up with EasyJet & Ryanair.

Ryanair already flies between DUB & AGP, and serves from many airports Murcia (about 1 hour from Alicante) do who knows if they will launch that route from Dublin as well.

Either way, the company is going to come under much competition, with a product (first class means less seats = less seats to spread the cost of the flight across allowing lower fares) and aircraft type (the 757 can not do turn arounds under 50 minutes - more time on the ground = fewer rotations = higher costs) that are flawed.

Good luck, but JetGreen (doesn't it seem like projectile vomiting a jet green?) seems to have too many flaws.

FlyingV
12th Mar 2004, 05:49
http://www.unison.ie/business/stories.php3?ca=80&si=1143261

From the Irish Independent.

SOME of the key players in collapsed aviation start-up Freshaer have bounced back with a new company called Fly Jet Green Airways.

And it is already taking bookings from the public, despite not having signed a contract with any airline carrier.

Freshaer was a controversial short-lived company which was forced last year to refund €250,000 to customers after it emerged it had not received the correct licences from the Commission for Aviation Regulation.

Freshaer was also hit by revelations that the company was involved in a dispute with the Deputy Inspector of Companies in the UK and that one of its backers, John Lepp, was a convicted fraudster and restricted director in Britain.

Mr Lepp is not involved in any manner in Fly Jet but for the fact they had acquired their ticket booking engine from him, the company said. Fly Jet has been granted a tour operator's licence for Ireland, is fully bonded and is preparing to start offering flights to Spain from May, it continued. Fly Jet's directors as listed in the companies office are Eric Conway and pilot Jim Duggan, who previously worked with Freshaer.

However, Mr Duggan, a former Ryanair chief pilot, resigned as a Fly Jet director in the last three weeks, the company said.

Businessman Colin Gervaise-Brazier, a former backer of Freshaer, is also providing the bulk of financial backing to get the business off the ground.

Pearse Gilroy, who was one of the driving forces behind the success of Cityjet, is chief executive.

Mr Gilroy revealed that the company had already taken bookings from the public despite not having signed a contract with an airline carrier. He said he was confident that he would sign a contract with Icelandair within days.

Flyjetgreen.com went live this week and is advertising flights using flight numbers for planes that are supplied by Icelandair.

However, a spokesperson for Icelandair, which was also the carrier that was to work with Freshaer, said he was "surprised" to be informed yesterday that Fly Jet was promoting itself using Icelandair flight numbers, given that no contract has been signed.

He said he was "unhappy" about this. "We don't want to be seen to be associated with something that might not take off," he said.

Silver Tongued Cavalier
12th Mar 2004, 06:06
Expect Alicante and especially Malaga to be Green this summer!!!!!

AGP will be served by Aer Lingus, Cityjet, Ryanair , and now JetGreen!!! Not to mention all the other usual charter operators!

I think Jet Green could well be hammered by Aer Lingus on both those routes, especially when they play bully boys and bring the A330-300 out to play.

Rumours are it will come in from Boston then straight out to Malaga. Very low seat/mile costs compared to a JetGreen B757. Crews are available, Aircraft are available, just the extra trip fuel and fees. 335 seats per aircraft would seriously reduce JetGreens yeild, and could tear apart the business plan. JetMagic revisited.

But with EI having no Premier class to Malaga now, who's gonna sit in that Green leather up the front???? Maybe time to enrol in that silly TAB club thing!!!;)

Mach Buffet
12th Mar 2004, 17:26
STC,

What do you mean by

"JetMagic revisited"?


Jetmagic had no competition on any of it's routes and collapsed due to a combination of insufficient funding, bad management and bad business plans.

Before they ever operated a flight of their own they had spent over half their funds on wages and lease in costs, mainly due to thinking that they could walk in and buy an AOC off the shelf.

Snifferdog
13th Mar 2004, 02:19
The whole thing smells like jetSh*t to me!

Silver Tongued Cavalier
13th Mar 2004, 02:58
JetMagic revisted.

JetMagic's original business plan relied on a few key routes ie LCY and BRU, to be supported by mainly Corkonian business passengers, which unfortunatly for them, never materialised.

Fair enough the delay in getting certification for LCY and the expensive hire-ins did not help matters especially with the paltry €5million start up kitty, but many regular Cork business travellers stuck with the earlier EI710 and the Heathrow Express! Jetmagic DID have competition, although not direct, it was nonetheless there.

When LCY did get up and running, colleagues of mine sometimes counted only 3-4 Pax on the early morning LCY! Bit like a fractional private jet operator, but doesn't satisfy the business plan which relied on this route being a big winner.

In hindsight concentrating on the leisure destinations, Alicante, Barcalona etc would have been better than messing around with LCY and BRU. With 2 such demanding airports as LCY and ORK, if you want reliability of service etc, EI's 321's to LHR win hands down.

Also this summer EI would have hammered them with a B737 over a EMB135/145 on their money making Euro leisure routes. Business is Business. Better to quit now before the losses got out of control.

Now JetGreen, they are relying on AGP and ALC, have they budgeted in the business plan for a fare war against Ryanair, CityJet and a now cocky Willie Walsh who could just put the A330-300 on it just for the craic?!!? Plus it'd free up a A321 in the morning to go off somewhere else e.g. Nice/Dubrovnik.

So JetMagic could well be revisited by JetGreen, no contract as yet with Air Atlanta who seem to be a bit a bemused by the whole thing. They DO have competition and lots of it. Do they have sufficient funding for a summer of discontent? Do they have the right Management? And do they have the right business plan?

After the FreshAer debacle and the current lack of an Aircraft etc it all looks highly suspect to me. And this First class thing, give me a break, EI used to have a faily busy premier but mainly with frequent winter business travellers using up their TAB points for the famlily Hols etc and mega rich Dublin Drug Barons!!!! ;)Apart from them it's the bucket and spade brigade all round!!

Snifferdog
15th Mar 2004, 09:17
Anyone got a clue as to who is running this outfit, ie CX, Ops Manager etc....

LGS6753
16th Mar 2004, 19:30
As predicted earlier in this thread, FR have announced DUB-MJV today.

Also, there is a UK based airline called Fly Jet. This one is presumably different....