View Full Version : JAR-OPS 1.1030 Operation on more than one type or variant
I was wondering how the European operators address this particular requirement for limiting the number of aircraft that cabin crew can be qualified on. In part, the JAR states:
An operator shall ensure that each cabin crew member does not operate on more than three aeroplane types except that, with the approval of the Authority, the cabin crew member may operate on four aeroplane types, provided that for at least two of the types:
(1) non-type specific normal and emergency procedures are identical; and
(2) safety equipment and type specific normal and emergency procedures are similar.
For example, the A319, A320 and A321 all have a common type certificate for the purposes of aircraft certification. However, are the A319 and A320 considered as a single type or as two seperate types when considering this JAR in the operational environment?
How about the A330 and A340?
4th Sep 2003, 07:57
I hold three a/c licences, one of which is 'airbus', covering a319-100, a320 non winglets, and a320 with winglets. my understanding is that i could also operate a318, and a321 on the same licence. (pilots also 319/320)
on 737 i can operate 200/300/400/500 all under one a/c. see no reason why other variants wouldn't be allowed.
767, can do long and shorthaul configs. 757 too. (that makes 4 i know. i don't do all 4 of them!)
(1) yeah SOP clearly defined.
(2) hmmmm. what do you define as similar? same equipment, but randomly scattered in different places defying any logic. i guess that is 'similar'.
4 is way too much, considering how 'variants' differ. especially if one of them is a dc10. how can 1 a/c have so many door variations. and be so crap.
4th Sep 2003, 08:40
At our company we are restricted to 3 types or variants only.
My understanding is that you can operate on a mutliple type/variant only when a type/variant course has been completed.
I operate on the B757-200, but due to training can operate on the 75-200 ETOPS. I cannot however work on the B757-300. Main reason due to the different positions of the safety equipment due to the stretched fuselage.
Too many types/variants would be way too confusing and would put safety at risk.
Take the differences between the safety equipment on the boeing and airbus fleets. For example, boeing use Dragger smoke hoods, airbus, those big space helmet thingys! The way the doors open, boeing, out and swing fwd, airbus this totally other wierd way!
And before any comments only having a rough idea of the different ways which i can remember when my girlfriend did her type training on A320 and i did mine on B757 but just trying to get my piont across.
Being able to operate on too many types/variants is dangerous! I'd hate too be in an emergancy situation and have stop and think what aircraft am i on, is the thing i'm looking for over there or maybe over there or even an this plane at all??!!
So anyway your probs thinking whats this twat on about so back to your original question,
Yes my airline does limit the number aircraft i can operate on.
Gonna lie down
4th Sep 2003, 08:42
The situation vis a vis aircraft variants is becoming more and more hazy as aircraft manafucturers come out with more and more 'variants' of the 'same' aircraft.
Take the Airbus 320 family. At one end of the spectrum the A319, a small 100 - 120 seater aircraft depending on your config. At the other, the A321, more like a 757 than a A319! But A319, A320 and A321 (irrespective of internal config and differences) are all 'One' type.
Then, one can fly on the 737 family, be it the ancient 737-200, the small 737-500, or the 737-800/-900 next gen which has very different cabin systems from the -200. But it's all one aircraft.
Then, you could do the 757, with variants on 8 main cabin doors, 6 doors and 2 overwings, or even 8 doors and overwings on the latest 757's that Condor an Icelandair are flying. All one aircraft.
So even though it is '3' aircraft types, you could in theory be flying on the A319, A320, A321, 737-200, 737-300/400/500 and the 737NG, and finally up to 3 variants of the 757.
Still, in the US and Canada one can fly on any number of aircraft types. United at one point had crew trained on 737-200, 737 newer generations, 727, 757, 767 (2 variants), 747-200, 747-400, DC-10 (2 variants), 777, A319, and A320. On a 4 day trip, you could fly on as many as 5 different aircraft types!
4th Sep 2003, 15:13
Hello! To the best of my knowledge, I believe the mas number of "dirfferent" aircfrat you can work on is 3!
When I was at British Midland, or should I say bmi! I was trained on the following aircraft:
Fokker 70 & 100
Boeing 737 - 300/400/500
Airbus A320 & A321 (schedule & charter config!)
All of these had a different location loction diagram, how I remembered them I have no idea!
I liked working on the different aircraft as it gave some variatey when at work! Recurrent where a nightmare thou!