1st easyJet A319

[Thomas_Cook_757-300]

Hi,
Here is a picture of EZY's 1st A319, D-AVYS/HB-JZA:

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/photos/icons/01easyjet319-ICON.jpg

EZY's A139's are to be built with two overwing emergency exits on each side to allow for a seating of 150 passengers.

Thanks

Thomas_Cook_757-300

[In trim]

Minor point, but it's 156 pax. (The galley / toilet areas are slightly re-designed to get this extra row in.)

[Thomas_Cook_757-300]

Hi,
I don't think passengers are going to have pleasant flights on EZY's A319's. Maybe EZY are taking the Airbus name to literally! :D

Thanks

Thomas_Cook_757-300

[AIRWAY]

Looks nice :} :ok:

[In trim]

Thomas Cook 757

The seat pitch is the same (or in some of the seat rows better) than the current 737 fleet. The capacity has been gained by redesigning the toilet / galley areas.

[Neo]

Surely they don't need a galley - aren't you supposed to bring your own sarnies?

And for that matter you take your own incontinence pants and they could take out the toilets as well!

[Thomas_Cook_757-300]

Hi,
Even with galley and toilets modifications its still a lot of seats for an A319 considering the likes of Qatar Airways operate there A320s with 144 seats!

Thanks

Thomas_Cook_757-200

[HZ123]

BA A319's have I believe about 129 seats. Perhaps someone can confirm. A few questions at BA the a/c have had issues with regard to load & weather, thus creating at times an offload situation. Assume this would not be a problem with Easy routes but there is a longer distance penalty. Or do they have uprated engines / extra fuel.

The other main issue have been the proximity (rather obvious) over the left side engine and the front of the a/c and staff pranging the engine with ground kit at significant costs.

Finally the rear door L2 due the hull curvature is prone to skin damage as most steps cannot be fitted on flush. Skin damage is expensive and necessitates hangarage. Good luck with the a/c but have Easy considered these issues that surely might impact on turnaround times.

[In trim]

HZ123

The proximity of the engine/wing to the holds is of course an issue, and the reason why many carriers bulk-load the 319 even if they use containers on 320/1's.....because the 319 is just too tight with a high lift. EZY's will be bulk loaded.

EZY don't carry freight, and as with the 737 will, on most sectors, use only a single baggage compartment (cp4), so minimising potential damage, in addition to other advantages.

The curvature of the rear fuselage is no worse than some other types (the 737 ain't perfect!) but positioning of all equipment will be monitored.

In trim

[ALLMCC]

I thought Easyjet did carry freight or they supposed to be passengers! - also if they took the seats out of the A319s as well they could accommodate over 200 pax!

[kick the tires]

latest is only 149 pax - save on the extra cabin crew.

Seat pitch - it is 2 inches better than Thomas Cooks appauling leg room - now that is sardines!!

Galleys are for crew food.

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

Galleys prepare tea and coffee and soup. Major profit centres for low cost airlines. If you make £550 average profit per flight. With 126 people on board as average then you only need to extract £4.37 from each pax in flight to account for the entire profits of the flight.

With tea and coffee being charged at £1.50 and costing pence...

What a crazy business - you make you money by selling tea and coffee but you need a fleet of nearly 70 Boeings to do it with!

WWW

[Thomas_Cook_757-300]

Hi,
This is off topic but kick the tires I would have to disagree with you about TCX's legroom as I flew with them, the last two Thursdays on there Boeing 757-300, G-JMAB and I have long legs and found the legroom quite good. No different to any other charter really.

Thanks

Thomas_Cook_757-300

[GEENY]

Windjet.com don't sell anything on-board and claim to make money,strange world....

[TightSlot]

Just curious - Thomas Cook seat pitch will surely be the charter norm of 28". If kick the tires figures are correct (apologies for scepticism) the EZ's A319 will hold 149 pax @ 30" pitch, which seems surprising? I used to fly in the cabin on a charter 737-300 that held 149 @ 28" and was not aware that the 319 is that much longer? Apologies if I am wrong on this, it is just difficult to conceive.

[neil_further]

TightSlot
149 pax at 6 abreast is approx 25 rows, 25 x 2" pitch difference is an approx 4 feet longer cabin. The more modern design could fit this into the same overall lenght, I think the nose section is alot shorter.

[TightSlot]

Thanks for that - the veils of mist are parting and I can see more clearly now!
:O

[fd floozy]

Easyjets A319 will hold 156 pax with no loss in leg room due to a redesign as mentioned earlier.

Thomas Cook I'm suprised you comment on Qatar only carrying 144 pax when your own airline packs in 180 pax on the A320?

Having worked for two charter airlines it's safe to say when it comes to the worst leg room charter win hands down.

[Zulu]

As previously mentioned, going over 150 pax means a fourth cabin crew is needed.

To my simple mind this means increasing staff costs by 33%, but only for an extra 4% of seats.


Why 156?

[kriskross]

'Cos it's one more than Boeing were prepared to put on the 700!!!

[mjenkinsblackdog]

Will the a319 take the battering the b737 takes day in day out?
Especially 5 years down the road?:cool:

[Thomas_Cook_757-300]

Hi,
fd floozy, I can see where you are coming from but as you are probably aware, TCX are a charter carrier so its to be expected. I found that TCX offered a good amount of leg room when I flew with them.

Thanks

Thomas_Cook_757-300

[brabazon]

mjenkins

Why should a 319 be less able to cope with the rigours of airline operation than a 737 and particularly 5 years down track?

[mjenkinsblackdog]

Bra
Due to previous experience in the Middle east where the bus fell apart on a regular basis.
I hope airbus have cured it!