BAe & Aer Lingus in Dublin

[Shamrock 321]

Hi,

Anyone know the exact involvement of Aer Lingus in the upcoming BAe Pilot Development Seminar in Dublin on Sept 28th.

Thanks,

321

[eire_boy]

I was just talking to a really nice girl in Aer Lingus HR and they had heard nothing about this...

[high-flyer]

This is indeed very interesting, and being one of the 40 or so cadets, i will be attending to see what the plans are.

Am trying to find out more information. Has anyone else heard anything?

high-flyer

[eire_boy]

Just received this from BAE....

Thank you for enquiring about our Pilot Career and Training Seminar.
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> The seminar is designed to provide you with information on the career of a > Commercial Airline Pilot and how to obtain a JAR ATPL licence. The seminar will be presented by BAE SYSTEMS Flight Training Jerez and with special guest Aer Lingus. The structure of the seminar will be as follows:
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> Presentation on a career as a pilot
AerLingus
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> Presentation on training to meet the airlines needs
BAE SYSTEMS
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>Presentation on Flight Training Jerez
BAE SYSTEMS
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> Questions time
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> Tea and Coffee
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> Please find below the details of the seminars to be held;
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> Venue Holiday Inn - Dublin Airport
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> Date Sunday 28th September 2003
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> Time 1st session commences 1100
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> 2nd session commences 1600
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> Please advise which session you would like to register for.
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> Entry is free and the seminar should last around 3 hours.
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> We look forward to seeing you there!
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> Kind Regards,

[sgarvey]

Just after reading the thread. Im looking for info on training to become a pilot. I like just outside Dublin so would i be able to attend the seminar? Thanks

Steve

[eire_boy]

Just outside Dublin myself, to attend you will have to register with BAE.

Email them at [email protected] and specify if you wish to attend the 11am or 4pm session. Should be interesting...

[SupaFly]

Seems a little misleading the way BAE are using the Aer Lingus logo like that in the banner to sell their course, as its going to imply to prospective trainees in Ireland that if they train with BAE they are going to have a better shot with Aer Lingus. Not too likely as Aer Lingus have those 20 or so cadets who trained in Jerez whom they have no use for. OK, of course the reason Aer Lingus didn't offer the cadets jobs had nothing to do with the quality of training and by all accounts EI were happy with the quality of flight training coming out of Jerez, but using Aer Lingus logo like that in association with the BAE seminar is going to send the wrong message. It would seem to me like EI are being used unwittingly as a marketing tool after agreeing to send someone out to give a talk at the seminar.

[mrbungle]

Supa-F, Your right.

Looks like a sales pitch by Jerez, to me !!

Rich.

[aerfungus]

They don't seem to have got the response they intended to. I Just got an email telling me the 16.00 seminar has been cancelled due to lack of interest. There will only be the 11 o' clock seminar now!

[michaelknight]

I wouldn't be surprised if they cancelled the whole trip altogether.

[FLYING COUNSEL]

They just sent me an email telling me, that they had got a larger then expected response. However, there will be no involvement by Aer Lingus pilots. I quote from the email:

"We had initially arranged for Aer Lingus to provide a pilot to talk to you on the life of a pilot, however due to other commitments they are regrettably unable to attend. We are currently talking to other Irish airline pilots and are confident that we will have someone there to field any questions you may have on the career of a pilot"

[INLAK]

Interesting to note that yesterday, Aer Lingus "management:rolleyes: " informed the pilot body that they intend to make 76 pilots redundant over the next 5 months.

I get thefeeling that any OLP would warn wannabes away!!!

[Squak2002]

If I were a betting man, I would put a few €€€'s on that BAE had never even contacted Aer Lingus in relation to this talk.

Maybe i'm just being cynical, but I think BAE just saw a untapped market for them to get into.

[EI-ABI]

So whats the craic with these 76 redundancies at EI then? One senses a major union/manangement fight???

[INLAK]

Management, not content with having just a fight with cabin crew on their hands, throws the "cat among the pigeons" with pilots. I can`t help thinking WW gets some kind of "high" in p*ssing of the staff.

At the minute, they sort of/kind of (but won`t really say anything) claim that any redundancies will be voluntary. But what happens when they don`t get enough through that? God knows.

As a result of the first day of cabin crew work-to-rule today, 3 LCY`s and 2 LHR`s were cancelled. A SKYNET 737 was chartered for 2 GLA flights and a Monarch A300 for a couple of the LHR`s.

[mrbungle]

Were Aer Lingus not in the news recently for a deal with Airbus?
Is this to change the entire fleet, keeping the same amount of aircraft or increasing ?

....or should I ask, are overstaffed ?

[Squak2002]

well, I was at the 11am slot and it was quite full
but the room was pretty small.

It was a good insight into what is really involved in Intergrated training. I was braced for a really big sell from BAE but it was quite low key or maybe there was plenty of subliminal messaging.

I didn't really see where the €92,000 really went. We heard how airlines don't want to hear from Modular students and how you will get a job within 6 months of leaving.

They were very forthcoming with the names of the 6 or 7 who DID manage to get jobs. There was no mention of the 150 or so students who didn't.


All in all, it was pretty predictable from a BAE sales pitch, so I wasn't surprised, but I was a good insight.


The area seemed very nice and the aircraft were pretty new.
They are very well known and have a solid relationship with major airlines, but the quality is now where near
€92,000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

I wish I had been there! Airlines don't want to hear from low time pilots who conducted their training following the Modular route eh? Shurely shome mishtake...

Its been quite a while since any airline ran ab inition cadetships or partial sponsorships. It was only really during this time that a very limited number of self sponsored Integrated students managed to haul themselves straight into a jet airliner direct.

The only reason airline recruiters ever use Integrated schools really is that its easy. You pick up the phone and speak to someone in an office there who will knock up a shortlist in short order. They will be only too pleased to place ads, to organise interview days, perhaps run a set of selection tests. Its nothing to do with the quality of the low time pilots in question. Its just you can't be bothered to call a dozen smaller Modular schools and ask them to put forward some names.

Which is a shame.

The biggest game in town right now is CTC and their various airline placement schemes. They don't care which way you obtained you CPL/IR Frzn ATPL - and rightly so.

Large FTO's trade a lot off their association with airlines. As a self funded student this should impress you not one jot unless the industry is booming and there is a possibility of being in the right place at the right time on the right side of the CFI who just got a call from a customer airline who didn't quite get the numbers right when they were sponsoring a year ago or more likely picked quite a few duffers who have failed the course.

£63,500 plus a years living expenses is a heck of a lot of Wonga at a time when no airline is sponsoring.

WWW

[Ally Minium]

Surely that price is INCLUSIVE of food/accommodation?

Bad luck with the exchange rate at the moment, though, making it more expensive to UK customers (but no change for Irish customers who are already Euro-equipped).

As for no sponsorships, are there not Britannia cadets under training at Jerez right now?

[eire_boy]

Would of been good to have you there WWW!
it was a good seminar, gentle sales pitch, nice group of people all in the same boat, BAE really played down the modular route though, saying the quality was not consistent etc.

A Group of two from BAE Derek Earp and Scott Connel,
also an ex-Aer Lingus guy who was introduced as a consultant
to BAE.

The €92,000 included everything (Own room+full board),
it didnt include a CPL flight test (I think). Course lasts 60 weeks, after that they offer a Jet Orientation Course (JOC) for approx €10,000

Currently Brittania have a group of six down in Jerez.


All in all its still hard to justify €92000....

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

The Britannia 6 are the exception to the rule.

Quite right that the output of the Modular route is not consistent - you get rubbish chancers who just scrapped through and who have some funny ideas about flying. EXACTLY like you get coming out of OATS, BAE or CCAT.

As for living costs. Sure you could fly to Jerez, return only when finished having spent Christmas there by yourself, drink NO beer, never leave the campus, never phone home, eat in the canteen for 365 days and grow a beard. In which case £62,500 should cover everything nicely. As long as you don't cock up a single exam or flight test.

I thank you,

WWW