LHR given permission to build 3rd runway?
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I'm looking forward to the detailed proposal & consultation next year in the lead up to the NPS - should reveal the "truth" behind TfL numbers & how much Heathrow will contribute to surface access issues. The Highways Agency should be improving the M4/M25 junction now, not waiting another 5 years so they can bundle it in with LHR-3.
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Forget about London airports
Know this may be a little out of the hat for most, and it is a comment as a northerner, (Ey up lad, where's me flat cap!!) but instead of focusing in the south east why can we not have a Central UK airport? All we need is an area with a slightly quiet airport operating already, that is in plenty of open space, with a major motorway links on its doorstep, connected to Kings cross via a HS rail link. My personal view is a development of East Midlands with another runway etc would be a more common sensical move, SID and STAR with so little overfly and clean routes to both the Atlantic and Europe.
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The short answer to why we cannot build a central hub is:Time.
The time to do that would have been 30+ years ago. But if anyone had guessed that a massive hub was needed - I don't think it reached above back room talk. The only focus was on the big airports and when Heathrow was not expanded (ask the politicians etc.) the focus went to: LGW (additional terminal and squeeze capacity), STN, LTN, LCY, eventually SEN.
Simultaneously, the regions found their options and so we have had 25 years of expansion in (variously): BRS, SOU, BHX, MAN, LPL, LMA, NCL, GLA, EDI and probably more.
So, to change that? You would not only have to locate the new hub but persuade all folks who use the other airports (pax, carriers and staff) to change to your idea. Not to mention that all the plans for road and rail connection to the new super-hub would have to be put in place. Lastly, all the folks who use the regional airports (pax, carriers and staff) would be mighty upset that they would see a reduction in services. That is because KLM/AF, Lufthansa, Ezy, RyanAir etc, would have to review all their operations and consider what to move and what to cut.
You can see how that will not happen.
The time to do that would have been 30+ years ago. But if anyone had guessed that a massive hub was needed - I don't think it reached above back room talk. The only focus was on the big airports and when Heathrow was not expanded (ask the politicians etc.) the focus went to: LGW (additional terminal and squeeze capacity), STN, LTN, LCY, eventually SEN.
Simultaneously, the regions found their options and so we have had 25 years of expansion in (variously): BRS, SOU, BHX, MAN, LPL, LMA, NCL, GLA, EDI and probably more.
So, to change that? You would not only have to locate the new hub but persuade all folks who use the other airports (pax, carriers and staff) to change to your idea. Not to mention that all the plans for road and rail connection to the new super-hub would have to be put in place. Lastly, all the folks who use the regional airports (pax, carriers and staff) would be mighty upset that they would see a reduction in services. That is because KLM/AF, Lufthansa, Ezy, RyanAir etc, would have to review all their operations and consider what to move and what to cut.
You can see how that will not happen.
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Have to agree. I fear it's completely missed the boat or in this case the plane.
Patterns of transport maybe completely different in 15-20 years.
Interestingly on Marr, Grayling recognised move to P2P, is there a political suprise waiting ?
Patterns of transport maybe completely different in 15-20 years.
Interestingly on Marr, Grayling recognised move to P2P, is there a political suprise waiting ?
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The next generation of aircraft suggest P2P is actually the future.
The 787 started this in a way, enabling thinner P2P routes to be viable, however the NEO's and MAX's about to hit will open up even thinner routes, all chipping away at hub traffic.
JetBlue, NAX will for sure go this way, NAX already announced UK-US on MAX's, JetBlue looking at it seriously, but so will many other airlines that have these types on order.
The world these days wants instant, close, no hassle...NEO/MAX operating thin routes away from hubs will become increasingly important, and hubs less so...and the public will love it, lets face it unless you live on LHR / AMS / CDG / FRA's doorstep you don't really want to have go there.
The 787 started this in a way, enabling thinner P2P routes to be viable, however the NEO's and MAX's about to hit will open up even thinner routes, all chipping away at hub traffic.
JetBlue, NAX will for sure go this way, NAX already announced UK-US on MAX's, JetBlue looking at it seriously, but so will many other airlines that have these types on order.
The world these days wants instant, close, no hassle...NEO/MAX operating thin routes away from hubs will become increasingly important, and hubs less so...and the public will love it, lets face it unless you live on LHR / AMS / CDG / FRA's doorstep you don't really want to have go there.
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Except aren't many (most) 787 being used hub-hub or based at hubs which was supposed to be the market for the 380?
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787's were not really my main point, although capable of thinner P2P routes your right they have entered mainly as hub serving and not so much as Boeing sold them as, ie a tool to open thinner P2P's.
The real game changer will be NEO's and MAX's, that every Tom, Dick and Harry will have. They will really open up the LH market to regional airports.
The real game changer will be NEO's and MAX's, that every Tom, Dick and Harry will have. They will really open up the LH market to regional airports.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/art...y-does-not-fly
I hope Theresa May doesn't watch the Bloomberg Financial Analysts feeds, this is really bad news as they are trashing the Heathrow proposals here.
These are respected journalists whose opinion will be listened to in some places.
Let's pray the decision is irrevocable despite a possible backlash downwind!
I hope Theresa May doesn't watch the Bloomberg Financial Analysts feeds, this is really bad news as they are trashing the Heathrow proposals here.
These are respected journalists whose opinion will be listened to in some places.
Let's pray the decision is irrevocable despite a possible backlash downwind!
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Really?
Shock - German based journo supports Gatwick because expanding LGW is the best way to boost jobs at FRA (and AMS, CDG....)
Shock - German based journo supports Gatwick because expanding LGW is the best way to boost jobs at FRA (and AMS, CDG....)
Plus IAG can throw a few NEOs into EI, with the preclearance in DUB and SNN anyone can fly to any airport they like in the US. I believe MAN are getting preclearance too? Ryanair, EZY, JBU, Southwest, etc could get in too, assuming losing a narrowbody for 2 sectors a day is more profitable than 5+ on shorter sectors within Europe or North America, that's where I'd have my doubts on the locos joining.
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Well I certainly didn't realise the cost of Rw3 was more than the asset value of the airport " as is "
As for calling into question Bloomberg. ..desperate stuff!
As for calling into question Bloomberg. ..desperate stuff!
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And now this... bloody hell she has erased all criticism of her dislike for Heathrow !!!!!
This is straight from George Orwell !
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/204201...-announcement/
This is straight from George Orwell !
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/204201...-announcement/
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Boris set to cause a right fuss....this is going to become really messy...
Boris Johnson to spark Cabinet rift as Government expected to give green light to expanding Heathrow
Boris Johnson to spark Cabinet rift as Government expected to give green light to expanding Heathrow
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They won't be so bold but why not build new runways at Heathrow and Gatwick?
Both airports could do with more runway capacity and it would build in an element of future planning because this issue of runways is bound to come up again regardless of where the next one is built.
Of course it won't happen but it should.
Both airports could do with more runway capacity and it would build in an element of future planning because this issue of runways is bound to come up again regardless of where the next one is built.
Of course it won't happen but it should.
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An interesting read if you have time - especially Q3.
Sir Howard Davies at the Lords Economic Affairs Committee
Sir Howard Davies at the Lords Economic Affairs Committee
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I wonder... "Boris, which do you want, Foreign Secretary's job or the back bench?"
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Heathrow Expansion Approved
UK Govt approves expansion of Heathrow Airport - press - According to the Airports commission, the decision will also be subject to around a year of consultation before Parliament votes and, if approved, will only then enter the planning process.- Construction is not likely to begin until 2020 or 2021
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