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I find this "Yorkshire deserves" fixation as baffling as your grasp of geography...
So which motorway is that then?
No lets not say Wiltshire lets say Scotland where there's less people than Yorkshire. Do you think it would be a good idea to shut Edinburgh and Glasgow and have them fly from Newcastle, straight down the motorway?
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Indeed. One which the advocate(s) of a new or expanded Leeds Airport have continually ignored.
Airports aren't a fundamental human right or a reward for good behaviour. The sky won't fall in if there isn't an international airport within an hours drive.
They are businesses, and like any other business they have to operate in the real world with it's financial and competitive constraints. And sometimes, like any other business, through lack of planning, poor decision making or simple bad lack they hand their competitors a competitive advantage which can't be regained. That's the way it is. You can't turn back the clock so get used to it.
Airports aren't a fundamental human right or a reward for good behaviour. The sky won't fall in if there isn't an international airport within an hours drive.
They are businesses, and like any other business they have to operate in the real world with it's financial and competitive constraints. And sometimes, like any other business, through lack of planning, poor decision making or simple bad lack they hand their competitors a competitive advantage which can't be regained. That's the way it is. You can't turn back the clock so get used to it.
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Leeds Approach
From what i can see no one is denying Leeds a new airport, the problems to overcome are enormous, the fact is nobody other than perhaps you and a few other spotters want a new international in their back garden. Church Fenton is a beautiful rural area and the last thing the locals will want is a new International airport with wide body jets roaring overhead.
The economic argument has been well explained by others, but like them i remain flummoxed that you seem to feel that it should play no part in the debate when most would see it as the very foundation upon which an airport is built. In England there are no state owned airport, you need to look at PIK in Scotland or CWL in Wales to find failing airports kept alive by tax payers money.
So unless you have someone who is both incredibly wealthy and stupid at the same time (a rare beast indeed) then CF will remain a sleepy hollow.
One other consideration is that some of Manchester's flights would not be viable without Yorkshire passenger and would not be viable from Yorkshire either.
It may be that you have missed the debate over new runway capacity in the SE where it is needed, the money is there, the demand is there the airlines are there, LBA provides an adequate service for bucket n spades and BA gives you access to a world wide network the likes of which MAN or LBA can only dream of.
What Leeds needs is an new runway(s) at LHR and have written into planning law that they must grant access to regional airports like LBA, if you want to spend local tax payers money then it should be on subsidies to keep access to LHR open to the good of Leeds
From what i can see no one is denying Leeds a new airport, the problems to overcome are enormous, the fact is nobody other than perhaps you and a few other spotters want a new international in their back garden. Church Fenton is a beautiful rural area and the last thing the locals will want is a new International airport with wide body jets roaring overhead.
The economic argument has been well explained by others, but like them i remain flummoxed that you seem to feel that it should play no part in the debate when most would see it as the very foundation upon which an airport is built. In England there are no state owned airport, you need to look at PIK in Scotland or CWL in Wales to find failing airports kept alive by tax payers money.
So unless you have someone who is both incredibly wealthy and stupid at the same time (a rare beast indeed) then CF will remain a sleepy hollow.
One other consideration is that some of Manchester's flights would not be viable without Yorkshire passenger and would not be viable from Yorkshire either.
It may be that you have missed the debate over new runway capacity in the SE where it is needed, the money is there, the demand is there the airlines are there, LBA provides an adequate service for bucket n spades and BA gives you access to a world wide network the likes of which MAN or LBA can only dream of.
What Leeds needs is an new runway(s) at LHR and have written into planning law that they must grant access to regional airports like LBA, if you want to spend local tax payers money then it should be on subsidies to keep access to LHR open to the good of Leeds
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Most of the LH flyers I meet from the North either up here or on the a/c or scattered around the globe on various projects we work on stopped using BA and LHR / Gatwick years ago. Its your runway debate down there just do not ask the rest of us to pay for it, which we already seem to be doing in the form of public enquiries.
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Most of the LH flyers I meet from the North either up here or on the a/c or scattered around the globe on various projects we work on stopped using BA and LHR / Gatwick years ago. Its your runway debate down there just do not ask the rest of us to pay for it, which we already seem to be doing in the form of public enquiries.
Regards (an airport builder amongst other things)
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From what i can see no one is denying Leeds a new airport, the problems to overcome are enormous, the fact is nobody other than perhaps you and a few other spotters want a new international in their back garden. Church Fenton is a beautiful rural area and the last thing the locals will want is a new International airport with wide body jets roaring overhead.
The economic argument has been well explained by others, but like them i remain flummoxed that you seem to feel that it should play no part in the debate when most would see it as the very foundation upon which an airport is built. In England there are no state owned airport, you need to look at PIK in Scotland or CWL in Wales to find failing airports kept alive by tax payers money.
So unless you have someone who is both incredibly wealthy and stupid at the same time (a rare beast indeed) then CF will remain a sleepy hollow.
One other consideration is that some of Manchester's flights would not be viable without Yorkshire passenger and would not be viable from Yorkshire either.
It may be that you have missed the debate over new runway capacity in the SE where it is needed, the money is there, the demand is there the airlines are there, LBA provides an adequate service for bucket n spades and BA gives you access to a world wide network the likes of which MAN or LBA can only dream of.
What Leeds needs is an new runway(s) at LHR and have written into planning law that they must grant access to regional airports like LBA, if you want to spend local tax payers money then it should be on subsidies to keep access to LHR open to the good of Leeds
From what i can see no one is denying Leeds a new airport, the problems to overcome are enormous, the fact is nobody other than perhaps you and a few other spotters want a new international in their back garden. Church Fenton is a beautiful rural area and the last thing the locals will want is a new International airport with wide body jets roaring overhead.
The economic argument has been well explained by others, but like them i remain flummoxed that you seem to feel that it should play no part in the debate when most would see it as the very foundation upon which an airport is built. In England there are no state owned airport, you need to look at PIK in Scotland or CWL in Wales to find failing airports kept alive by tax payers money.
So unless you have someone who is both incredibly wealthy and stupid at the same time (a rare beast indeed) then CF will remain a sleepy hollow.
One other consideration is that some of Manchester's flights would not be viable without Yorkshire passenger and would not be viable from Yorkshire either.
It may be that you have missed the debate over new runway capacity in the SE where it is needed, the money is there, the demand is there the airlines are there, LBA provides an adequate service for bucket n spades and BA gives you access to a world wide network the likes of which MAN or LBA can only dream of.
What Leeds needs is an new runway(s) at LHR and have written into planning law that they must grant access to regional airports like LBA, if you want to spend local tax payers money then it should be on subsidies to keep access to LHR open to the good of Leeds
Yorkshire and the Humber region is propping up a competing regions airport purely down to past political mistakes. There is a massive demand in Yorkshire for 1 suitable airport. Having two airports (or more) in the region fighting against one another will only ever hold the region back and help competing regions. Nobody wants an airport in their back garden but a region with a population of a small country should have an airport to aid its economy rather than help some competing regions economy. It is not about the flights from Manchester that need Yorkshire passengers to work it is about the flights from Manchester that would work perfectly well and profitably from 1 well placed suitable Yorkshire airport. The ratio of passengers East and West is purely down to past political mistakes. This has absolutely nothing to do with another London runway, which would inevitably help this country's economy. My wish of 1 airport for Yorkshire at Church Fenton faces all kinds of obstacles but if it did happen it would take multiple millions of passengers off manchesters total.
I will try to take a break from pprune now as I've made my point as clear as day. Church Fenton could easily have been turned into a business park and yet the new owner wants to develop an airfield and has stated he wants to run European schedules. I remain optimistic especially in light of what the leader of Leeds council has stated and my very close knowledge of LBA. From small acorns mighty oaks sometimes grow.
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Of course it matters not, because like CF its not likely to ever happen and certainly not if Labour come to power, the last thing they want is prosperity in the North, don't want all those Northerner's getting ideas above their station and start voting Conservative do we !!
If we have to travel to Manchester for an airport that works then you in Reading should have to travel to Paris.
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Taken from the website...
"...I intend to develop the site as a base for private and business aviation, as well as opening a training school for both fixed wing and helicopter flight." Other plans include opening parts of the base for commercial film, music and large scale events.
The quoted section is by Chirs Makin, MD of Makin Enterprises, owners of Leeds East Airport. No mention, anywhere, of any plans to operate the airfield as a public transport airport.
"...I intend to develop the site as a base for private and business aviation, as well as opening a training school for both fixed wing and helicopter flight." Other plans include opening parts of the base for commercial film, music and large scale events.
The quoted section is by Chirs Makin, MD of Makin Enterprises, owners of Leeds East Airport. No mention, anywhere, of any plans to operate the airfield as a public transport airport.
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To all on this thread
I have been educated, informed and entertained on this thread.
In a style or manner I have heard once or twice.
"Time Gentlemen please"
Can I suggest to LA go to www.youtube.com & search for "Frozen"
In a style or manner I have heard once or twice.
"Time Gentlemen please"
Can I suggest to LA go to www.youtube.com & search for "Frozen"
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New terminal for LeedsEastAirport
Reports suggest one of the hangars is being converted into a glass fronted terminal. Mighty oaks from.....
Reports suggest one of the hangars is being converted into a glass fronted terminal. Mighty oaks from.....
What's this to do with Leeds Bradford airport -it is the Leeds thread isn't it?
On a quick search I couldn't find any planning applications for the airfield, are there any with any details anywhere? Hangar to terminal for one change of use?
A recent conversation in a bar said a Citation had visited recently for some training.
A recent conversation in a bar said a Citation had visited recently for some training.
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New terminal for LeedsEastAirport
Reports suggest one of the hangars is being converted into a glass fronted terminal. Mighty oaks from.....
Reports suggest one of the hangars is being converted into a glass fronted terminal. Mighty oaks from.....
Don't go there, it ain't going to happen.
Ambitious plans beginning to take flight
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The pertinent points being:
Work is currently underway to transform the main hangar into a glass-fronted terminal akin to what the clientele the site may attract are likely to expect at a commercial airfield
who are deemed to be:
The site is offering aircraft, with up to around a 20-seat capacity, an alternative to Leeds Bradford Airport (LBA)
Reading the report of the wish to link with the motor industry, local university, Screen Yorkshire I see nothing to suggest a desire to turn it into an intercontinental gateway for Yorkshire.
The owner seems very level headed in his plans for a multi use site which would not sit well with some people on heres asperations.
Work is currently underway to transform the main hangar into a glass-fronted terminal akin to what the clientele the site may attract are likely to expect at a commercial airfield
who are deemed to be:
The site is offering aircraft, with up to around a 20-seat capacity, an alternative to Leeds Bradford Airport (LBA)
Reading the report of the wish to link with the motor industry, local university, Screen Yorkshire I see nothing to suggest a desire to turn it into an intercontinental gateway for Yorkshire.
The owner seems very level headed in his plans for a multi use site which would not sit well with some people on heres asperations.
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The pertinent points being:
Work is currently underway to transform the main hangar into a glass-fronted terminal akin to what the clientele the site may attract are likely to expect at a commercial airfield
who are deemed to be:
The site is offering aircraft, with up to around a 20-seat capacity, an alternative to Leeds Bradford Airport (LBA)
Reading the report of the wish to link with the motor industry, local university, Screen Yorkshire I see nothing to suggest a desire to turn it into an intercontinental gateway for Yorkshire.
The owner seems very level headed in his plans for a multi use site which would not sit well with some people on heres asperations.
Work is currently underway to transform the main hangar into a glass-fronted terminal akin to what the clientele the site may attract are likely to expect at a commercial airfield
who are deemed to be:
The site is offering aircraft, with up to around a 20-seat capacity, an alternative to Leeds Bradford Airport (LBA)
Reading the report of the wish to link with the motor industry, local university, Screen Yorkshire I see nothing to suggest a desire to turn it into an intercontinental gateway for Yorkshire.
The owner seems very level headed in his plans for a multi use site which would not sit well with some people on heres asperations.
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Potential
Durham train station to NCL. 18.5 miles as the crow flies and takes 50 minutes to an hour with a change onto the Metro. [using public transport]
Durham train station to LEA. 67.5 miles as the crow flies and takes 50 minutes to an hour with no change (if the train stops). [using public transport]
Newark (Notts.) to LEA 44 minutes (potentially)
This shows the potential (without any bearing to cost) for connection to other counties (Notts., Lincs. Durham, Northumberland etc) outside of Yorkshire.
Durham train station to LEA. 67.5 miles as the crow flies and takes 50 minutes to an hour with no change (if the train stops). [using public transport]
Newark (Notts.) to LEA 44 minutes (potentially)
This shows the potential (without any bearing to cost) for connection to other counties (Notts., Lincs. Durham, Northumberland etc) outside of Yorkshire.
Durham train station to LEA. 67.5 miles as the crow flies and takes 50 minutes to an hour with no change (if the train stops). [using public transport]
And the Metro takes you to the airport and not to a rural railway station down the road - apples and (imaginary) oranges.